Real-World Trade-In Values

stickguy

Mo money?

28firefighter

stickguy said:

Mo money?

Made me choke on my coffee this morning.

breld

That's hilarious.

One of the Dodge dealers I shopped at on Saturday had a couple used R/T's in bright red that they were giving me the hard sell on. I just couldn't get over that much bright red on such a large vehicle.

And I think I'd prefer not to even drive one with a Hemi, as it may spoil how pleased I was with the performance of the V-6.

Mr_Shiftright

They are.....big.....

PF_Flyer

Guess it depends how hard the sell was? Just how bad do they want to move them? Not sure I want a vehicle that might draw extra wanted, and unwanted attention

breld

Mr_Shiftright said:

They are.....big.....

Out of curiosity, I checked the length of the Durango against some competitors - about 10 inches longer than a Highlander, 7 more than a Pilot. Almost exactly the same as our current van and a few inches shorter than a Tahoe.

So yes, it is big! But I was happy to see it's consistent with our current family hauler.

qbrozen

breld said:

They are.....big.....

Out of curiosity, I checked the length of the Durango against some competitors - about 10 inches longer than a Highlander, 7 more than a Pilot. Almost exactly the same as our current van and a few inches shorter than a Tahoe. So yes, it is big! But I was happy to see it's consistent with our current family hauler.

But not nearly as functional

henryn

qbrozen said:

breld said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

They are.....big.....

Out of curiosity, I checked the length of the Durango against some competitors - about 10 inches longer than a Highlander, 7 more than a Pilot. Almost exactly the same as our current van and a few inches shorter than a Tahoe.

So yes, it is big! But I was happy to see it's consistent with our current family hauler.

But not nearly as functional

So very true. Minivans do get a bad rap. I was talking at work about what I'm thinking of buying to replace the TDI as a daily driver, and one of my co-workers said if I bought a minivan she would not ride me when we all go out to lunch.

She was joking, or at least I think she was. But it does make the point. People seem to have an almost pathological fear of being associated with a minivan and thought of as a "soccer mom".

When I was a kid growing up, and did a lot of walking, and riding the school bus, and depending on someone else to get me where I needed to be, having any kind of motorized transport seemed like the ultimate "good thing". My first car was a 1949 Chevrolet, given to my father for payment of a $35 debt. And I couldn't have been happier if it had been a Lamborghini.

To this day, I still retain some of that youthful excitement and enthusiasm for all forms of motorized transport. Yes, some cars are cooler than other cars. A Kia Soul is not equivalent to a Mustang GT. But they are both very cool. To me, anyway.

sda

henryn said:

qbrozen said:

breld said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

They are.....big.....

Out of curiosity, I checked the length of the Durango against some competitors - about 10 inches longer than a Highlander, 7 more than a Pilot. Almost exactly the same as our current van and a few inches shorter than a Tahoe.

So yes, it is big! But I was happy to see it's consistent with our current family hauler.

But not nearly as functional

So very true. Minivans do get a bad rap. I was talking at work about what I'm thinking of buying to replace the TDI as a daily driver, and one of my co-workers said if I bought a minivan she would not ride me when we all go out to lunch.

She was joking, or at least I think she was. But it does make the point. People seem to have an almost pathological fear of being associated with a minivan and thought of as a "soccer mom".

When I was a kid growing up, and did a lot of walking, and riding the school bus, and depending on someone else to get me where I needed to be, having any kind of motorized transport seemed like the ultimate "good thing". My first car was a 1949 Chevrolet, given to my father for payment of a $35 debt. And I couldn't have been happier if it had been a Lamborghini.

To this day, I still retain some of that youthful excitement and enthusiasm for all forms of motorized transport. Yes, some cars are cooler than other cars. A Kia Soul is not equivalent to a Mustang GT. But they are both very cool. To me, anyway.


I'm with you and don't have an aversion to mini vans like so many do. I really enjoyed our '03 Odyssey and it drove better than either of our '06 and '10 Pilots, and got better gas mileage! My first car was a beat up, tired '62 Ford Galaxie 2dr, all manual, 292 V8 that I bought from a friend for $100 in '77. I was a junior in high school. Though it wasn't a new Mustang like another friend had I was happy as a lark to have the Galaxie. It was mine and it was freedom!

stickguy

I like vans. Heck, we had them for 18 years. I never mind driving it (being seen doing it!), just too large for day to day local. I would consider one for my 2nd car now. Or a small CUV like a square box escape.

roadburner

I have always wanted to drive something that was entertaining and a bit special(I absolutely HATED my parents'1972 Caprice and 1974 Maverick LDO). It doesn't have to be fast or expensive, but it does have to be something that puts a smile on my face every time I get behind the wheel. My old Arrow GT 2.6 and current Wrangler are anything but quick but they both were/are a hoot to drive. Thus, a minivan was never on my radar. And my wife despises them- one of many reasons we have been married for over three decades.

breld

Well, we had our Odyssey for 3 years and traded that in on the Sedona which we've had for a bit over 2 years. So I'm obviously not averse to the van - but 5 years with one type of vehicle is a lot in @breld years! Just ready for something different as a people hauler.

Mr_Shiftright

Honda is going to absolutely cram the '18 Odyssey full of tech gadgetry. It's going to be a virtual Chuck E. Cheese funhouse-on-wheels for the kids.

From Automotive News:

"The Odyssey, for its part, has an overhead 10.2-inch screen for middle and rear passengers that streams content such as PBS Kids, iHeartRadio and Spotify through the van’s 4G LTE Wi-Fi hot spot, a user’s cellphone or public Wi-Fi. There’s even a “How much farther?” app similar to those on planes that tracks the vehicle’s progress toward its destination. (Chrysler calls its version “Are We There Yet?”)

Through a downloadable app called CabinControl, passengers can use their smartphones to control features such as the rear entertainment system, heating and cooling, and destinations for the navigation system.

Front-seat occupants also get some nifty gadgets, including a camera that provides a view of what’s going on in the back seats and a microphone that lets the driver communicate to middle and rear passengers through the speakers and headphones, an evolution of a function that has been available for a few years on the Sienna."

budsbrother

Probably a question for qbrozen. Wondering what a 2014 Honda Accord 4 door is doing at auction. It's a 4 cylinder EX-L, dark red, beige leather, moonroof, no nav. It has about 24k, located outside Boston. Clean, original tires, couple of small scratches here or there. My lease has 2 more payments, so I'm pondering whether to buy it or lease another (I'll get a V6 if I do). I know my current buyout and residual and I'm curious to how they compare with auction values. Thanks in advance

njhonda246

Looking for input on out the door price for a 2014 CRV EX-L with 22k miles.

Started with the 2015 and felt the vibrations and wasn't comfortable not knowing the results of the TSB repairs, same concerns with the 2016. Then looked at the CX5 (too rough suspension for me) and 2014 Forester (excessive oil consumption lawsuit/settlement, haven't been able to find a 2015 in my price range) and am back at the CRV, but 2014, prior to the CVT.

Zip Code of where vehicle will be registered 08052
Zip Code of dealership 19021
2014 CRV EX-L with Navigation, Honda Certified
22,380 miles
"Sale Price" $21,595
Out the Door $23,376 (7% sales tax, $138 doc fee in PA, remainder a lump of registration+dealer fee)

This is the price given over email, without any negotiation. Any thoughts on how much room I may have?

qbrozen

budsbrother said:

Probably a question for qbrozen. Wondering what a 2014 Honda Accord 4 door is doing at auction. It's a 4 cylinder EX-L, dark red, beige leather, moonroof, no nav. It has about 24k, located outside Boston. Clean, original tires, couple of small scratches here or there. My lease has 2 more payments, so I'm pondering whether to buy it or lease another (I'll get a V6 if I do). I know my current buyout and residual and I'm curious to how they compare with auction values. Thanks in advance

high 15s at the block

qbrozen

njhonda246 said:

Looking for input on out the door price for a 2014 CRV EX-L with 22k miles.

Started with the 2015 and felt the vibrations and wasn't comfortable not knowing the results of the TSB repairs, same concerns with the 2016. Then looked at the CX5 (too rough suspension for me) and 2014 Forester (excessive oil consumption lawsuit/settlement, haven't been able to find a 2015 in my price range) and am back at the CRV, but 2014, prior to the CVT.

Zip Code of where vehicle will be registered 08052
Zip Code of dealership 19021
2014 CRV EX-L with Navigation, Honda Certified
22,380 miles
"Sale Price" $21,595
Out the Door $23,376 (7% sales tax, $138 doc fee in PA, remainder a lump of registration+dealer fee)

This is the price given over email, without any negotiation. Any thoughts on how much room I may have?

Zips mean nothing to me, but you mention PA doc fee, so I'll go with that. More importantly, is this FWD or AWD?

breld

I have a specific Durango I may go look at this afternoon, so curious as to auction value, fair retail, etc., if you don't mind. I looked up the window sticker so I'll list out the options, some of which may be significant, some other probably not. But it does have some that really appeal to me, like the Rallye package and Captain's chairs:

In CO,
2014 Durango SXT AWD (V6)
Gray over black cloth
Preferred Package (SiriusXM, power driver's seat, leather steering wheel)
Tow package
Premium package (heated seats, heated steering wheel, backup camera, park assist)
Rallye Appearance Group
2nd Row Captain's Chairs
UConnect infotainment

20,300 miles

Clean carfax, but there is a relatively small dent at the front of the hood, but big enough where the paint is cracked at one edge of the dent. Doesn't bother me if it's priced accordingly.

Non Dodge dealer listed for $24,600 - just made a $2k price reduction.

28firefighter

breld said:

I have a specific Durango I may go look at this afternoon, so curious as to auction value, fair retail, etc., if you don't mind. I looked up the window sticker so I'll list out the options, some of which may be significant, some other probably not. But it does have some that really appeal to me, like the Rallye package and Captain's chairs:

In CO,
2014 Durango SXT AWD (V6)
Gray over black cloth
Preferred Package (SiriusXM, power driver's seat, leather steering wheel)
Tow package
Premium package (heated seats, heated steering wheel, backup camera, park assist)
Rallye Appearance Group
2nd Row Captain's Chairs
UConnect infotainment

20,300 miles

There's a relatively small dent at the front of the hood, but big enough where the paint is cracked at one edge of the dent. Doesn't bother me if it's priced accordingly.

Non Dodge dealer listed for $24,600 - just made a $2k price reduction.

Repeat after me...HEMI.

nyccarguy

Pass the popcorn

njhonda246

@qbrozen This is for an AWD. Dealer is PA, so doc fee has a cap. Registration will be NJ, moving from sedan to SUV. Thanks for any insight.

breld

28firefighter said:

breld said:

I have a specific Durango I may go look at this afternoon, so curious as to auction value, fair retail, etc., if you don't mind. I looked up the window sticker so I'll list out the options, some of which may be significant, some other probably not. But it does have some that really appeal to me, like the Rallye package and Captain's chairs:

In CO,
2014 Durango SXT AWD (V6)
Gray over black cloth
Preferred Package (SiriusXM, power driver's seat, leather steering wheel)
Tow package
Premium package (heated seats, heated steering wheel, backup camera, park assist)
Rallye Appearance Group
2nd Row Captain's Chairs
UConnect infotainment

20,300 miles

There's a relatively small dent at the front of the hood, but big enough where the paint is cracked at one edge of the dent. Doesn't bother me if it's priced accordingly.

Non Dodge dealer listed for $24,600 - just made a $2k price reduction.

Repeat after me...HEMI.

C'mon now - that'd be indulgent. I'm just a practical guy.

28firefighter

breld said:

28firefighter said:

breld said:

I have a specific Durango I may go look at this afternoon, so curious as to auction value, fair retail, etc., if you don't mind. I looked up the window sticker so I'll list out the options, some of which may be significant, some other probably not. But it does have some that really appeal to me, like the Rallye package and Captain's chairs:

In CO,
2014 Durango SXT AWD (V6)
Gray over black cloth
Preferred Package (SiriusXM, power driver's seat, leather steering wheel)
Tow package
Premium package (heated seats, heated steering wheel, backup camera, park assist)
Rallye Appearance Group
2nd Row Captain's Chairs
UConnect infotainment

20,300 miles

There's a relatively small dent at the front of the hood, but big enough where the paint is cracked at one edge of the dent. Doesn't bother me if it's priced accordingly.

Non Dodge dealer listed for $24,600 - just made a $2k price reduction.

Repeat after me...HEMI.

C'mon now - that'd be indulgent. I'm just a practical guy.

Me too! More power = more practical!

nyccarguy

28firefighter said:

breld said:

28firefighter said:

breld said:

I have a specific Durango I may go look at this afternoon, so curious as to auction value, fair retail, etc., if you don't mind. I looked up the window sticker so I'll list out the options, some of which may be significant, some other probably not. But it does have some that really appeal to me, like the Rallye package and Captain's chairs:

In CO,
2014 Durango SXT AWD (V6)
Gray over black cloth
Preferred Package (SiriusXM, power driver's seat, leather steering wheel)
Tow package
Premium package (heated seats, heated steering wheel, backup camera, park assist)
Rallye Appearance Group
2nd Row Captain's Chairs
UConnect infotainment

20,300 miles

There's a relatively small dent at the front of the hood, but big enough where the paint is cracked at one edge of the dent. Doesn't bother me if it's priced accordingly.

Non Dodge dealer listed for $24,600 - just made a $2k price reduction.

Repeat after me...HEMI.

C'mon now - that'd be indulgent. I'm just a practical guy.

Me too! More power = more practical!

+1 Me Too! ARGH! ARGH! ARGH!

qbrozen

breld said:

I have a specific Durango I may go look at this afternoon, so curious as to auction value, fair retail, etc., if you don't mind. I looked up the window sticker so I'll list out the options, some of which may be significant, some other probably not. But it does have some that really appeal to me, like the Rallye package and Captain's chairs: In CO, 2014 Durango SXT AWD (V6) Gray over black cloth Preferred Package (SiriusXM, power driver's seat, leather steering wheel) Tow package Premium package (heated seats, heated steering wheel, backup camera, park assist) Rallye Appearance Group 2nd Row Captain's Chairs UConnect infotainment 20,300 miles Clean carfax, but there is a relatively small dent at the front of the hood, but big enough where the paint is cracked at one edge of the dent. Doesn't bother me if it's priced accordingly. Non Dodge dealer listed for $24,600 - just made a $2k price reduction.

They should have about $22k-22.5k in it.

qbrozen

qbrozen said:

Looking for input on out the door price for a 2014 CRV EX-L with 22k miles. Started with the 2015 and felt the vibrations and wasn't comfortable not knowing the results of the TSB repairs, same concerns with the 2016. Then looked at the CX5 (too rough suspension for me) and 2014 Forester (excessive oil consumption lawsuit/settlement, haven't been able to find a 2015 in my price range) and am back at the CRV, but 2014, prior to the CVT. Zip Code of where vehicle will be registered 08052 Zip Code of dealership 19021 2014 CRV EX-L with Navigation, Honda Certified 22,380 miles "Sale Price" $21,595 Out the Door $23,376 (7% sales tax, $138 doc fee in PA, remainder a lump of registration+dealer fee) This is the price given over email, without any negotiation. Any thoughts on how much room I may have?

Zips mean nothing to me, but you mention PA doc fee, so I'll go with that. More importantly, is this FWD or AWD?

Worth about $19k at auction, so seems like a heckuva deal for CPO.

breld

qbrozen said:

breld said:

I have a specific Durango I may go look at this afternoon, so curious as to auction value, fair retail, etc., if you don't mind. I looked up the window sticker so I'll list out the options, some of which may be significant, some other probably not. But it does have some that really appeal to me, like the Rallye package and Captain's chairs: In CO, 2014 Durango SXT AWD (V6) Gray over black cloth Preferred Package (SiriusXM, power driver's seat, leather steering wheel) Tow package Premium package (heated seats, heated steering wheel, backup camera, park assist) Rallye Appearance Group 2nd Row Captain's Chairs UConnect infotainment 20,300 miles Clean carfax, but there is a relatively small dent at the front of the hood, but big enough where the paint is cracked at one edge of the dent. Doesn't bother me if it's priced accordingly. Non Dodge dealer listed for $24,600 - just made a $2k price reduction.

They should have about $22k-22.5k in it.

Thank you.  So they're current list price of $24,600 is pretty solid, notwithstanding the dent on the hood, which I'd guess a dent doctor could fix reasonably well for a few hundred bucks, maybe less.  

breld

As always, thanks for the help Q. Got the Durango for $23,600 and trade on the Sedona of $23,000.

nyccarguy

breld said:

As always, thanks for the help Q. Got the Durango for $23,600 and trade on the Sedona of $23,000.

Great job as always!

kozli2017

Good morning. Long time lurker but just took the time to register here. I'm considering, today of all days, trading in my 2013 Chevy Tahoe 4WD LT towards the purchase of a 2016 Chevy Suburban. 11735 zip code.
The Tahoe is white, has 43,000 miles, and I would rate in "excellent" condition, one step below "outstanding"
Standard 5.3 liter engine, all power, sunroof, rear DVD and entertainment, Bose, standard wheels or tires. No extra package, i.e. Z71 or Texas etc.

I've done my due diligence online and have come across "Blue Book" values which range between $27,103 and $29,834

Realistically, what might I expect to see in terms of a good or exceptional dealer offer coming from his black book? The only things I can see them having to do is touch up 2 spots on the front bumper and 2 new tires. Otherwise, it will go right to their lot.

Thank you in advance for any figures or advice you might have!

Koz

nyccarguy

kozli2017 said:

Good morning. Long time lurker but just took the time to register here. I'm considering, today of all days, trading in my 2013 Chevy Tahoe 4WD LT towards the purchase of a 2016 Chevy Suburban. 11735 zip code.
The Tahoe is white, has 43,000 miles, and I would rate in "excellent" condition, one step below "outstanding"
Standard 5.3 liter engine, all power, sunroof, rear DVD and entertainment, Bose, standard wheels or tires. No extra package, i.e. Z71 or Texas etc.

I've done my due diligence online and have come across "Blue Book" values which range between $27,103 and $29,834

Realistically, what might I expect to see in terms of a good or exceptional dealer offer coming from his black book? The only things I can see them having to do is touch up 2 spots on the front bumper and 2 new tires. Otherwise, it will go right to their lot.

Thank you in advance for any figures or advice you might have!

Koz

He's going to want a city & state or region of the country. Zip codes don't help much. Any reason you are switching from a Tahoe to a 'Burb?

kyfdx

It's Long Island.

qbrozen

I THINK you should be in the upper range of what your research shows. With miles like yours, I'm seeing $29-$30k

kozli2017

Thanks everyone for your feedback thus far. Yes indeed, Suffolk County, Long Island NY. Multiple kids playing ice hockey and a large family with frequent trips on the weekends, including onto the beach with all gear in tow, is forcing the upgrade to a larger vehicle. The '13 Tahoe, even with the seats out, just doesn't give us alot of space. Plus, as my kids are getting older they are no longer keen on sitting 3 across. As it is right now, on long trips I have to use a roof box along with trailer basket. I look like a modern-day Clark Griswold!

kozli2017

qbrozen said:

I THINK you should be in the upper range of what your research shows. With miles like yours, I'm seeing $29-$30k

QB thanks for your response. Are you going off of black book, i.e. what a dealer would normally access?

qbrozen

What a dealer accesses varies. Some places and regions use Black Book, some use Galves, some use dealer-subscription KBB, some use NADA, some use real-world auction results, and some use a combination of any of the above. I am looking strictly at dealer auction results.

nyccarguy

kozli2017 said:

Thanks everyone for your feedback thus far. Yes indeed, Suffolk County, Long Island NY. Multiple kids playing ice hockey and a large family with frequent trips on the weekends, including onto the beach with all gear in tow, is forcing the upgrade to a larger vehicle. The '13 Tahoe, even with the seats out, just doesn't give us alot of space. Plus, as my kids are getting older they are no longer keen on sitting 3 across. As it is right now, on long trips I have to use a roof box along with trailer basket. I look like a modern-day Clark Griswold!

Say no more. I've got 3 kids, 2 of whom are hockey players (Squirt & Mite). My kids are only 10, 7, & 5. They don't do well sitting 3 across either. Good luck.

Just to throw a cog into your plans, have you considered leasing? With 10,000 miles per year and low gas prices, you might be able to get a nice Suburban.

28firefighter

nyccarguy said:

kozli2017 said:

Thanks everyone for your feedback thus far. Yes indeed, Suffolk County, Long Island NY. Multiple kids playing ice hockey and a large family with frequent trips on the weekends, including onto the beach with all gear in tow, is forcing the upgrade to a larger vehicle. The '13 Tahoe, even with the seats out, just doesn't give us alot of space. Plus, as my kids are getting older they are no longer keen on sitting 3 across. As it is right now, on long trips I have to use a roof box along with trailer basket. I look like a modern-day Clark Griswold!

Say no more. I've got 3 kids, 2 of whom are hockey players (Squirt & Mite). My kids are only 10, 7, & 5. They don't do well sitting 3 across either. Good luck.

My siblings and I never could sit well 3 across. There was a reason we had a 2002 Ford Excursion with the PowerStroke Diesel for as long as we did.

kozli2017

nyccarguy said:

kozli2017 said:

Thanks everyone for your feedback thus far. Yes indeed, Suffolk County, Long Island NY. Multiple kids playing ice hockey and a large family with frequent trips on the weekends, including onto the beach with all gear in tow, is forcing the upgrade to a larger vehicle. The '13 Tahoe, even with the seats out, just doesn't give us alot of space. Plus, as my kids are getting older they are no longer keen on sitting 3 across. As it is right now, on long trips I have to use a roof box along with trailer basket. I look like a modern-day Clark Griswold!

Say no more. I've got 3 kids, 2 of whom are hockey players (Squirt & Mite). My kids are only 10, 7, & 5. They don't do well sitting 3 across either. Good luck.

Just to throw a cog into your plans, have you considered leasing? With 10,000 miles per year and low gas prices, you might be able to get a nice Suburban.

Thanks for your reply. I have not considered leasing only because I've been down that road once before, and while it wasn't a negative experience, I'm big on having some equity with no payments for at least a few years. Trying to squeeze a pee-wee and bantam in the middle row along with the younger sister who doesn't want anyone touching her booster seat, makes for fun drives!

explorerx4

My kids liked each having their own row. Good thing I only had 2 kids, otherwise I would have had to get one of those 15 passenger vans for 3 kids.

suydam

That's why we eventually bought a minivan -- no fighting, plus room for everyone's stuff (and their friends).

tjc78

You guys are making think I'm stuck in an SUV forever.....

stickguy

buy a minivan instead!

As long as you have one functional hauler in the family, should be good.

tjc78

My wife hates the things. One hauler is plenty for sure. Problem is the hauler eats up too much of the car budget!!

kozli2017

stickguy said:

buy a minivan instead!

As long as you have one functional hauler in the family, should be good.

I had an Odyssey and loved it but once our local beach opened up to 4x4 with permits, I can now back my truck up to within 4 feet of the waves off the beaches of Long Island.

28firefighter

Q,

Out of sheer curiosity...what are 2014 Audi Q5 TDI Premium Plus' doing at the block with typical equipment? Figure 30-40k miles.

Seattle area.

Thanks!

qbrozen

$32k-$33k

28firefighter

qbrozen said:

$32k-$33k

Wow - I don't know why I'm so surprised by that, but I am...

Mr_Shiftright

Those retailed in the high 40Ks didn't they?

28firefighter

Mr_Shiftright said:

Those retailed in the high 40Ks didn't they?

Depending on equipment they went north of 50k, but generally yes, high 40s.

I think the reason I am surprised is that my Dad has a 2014 VW Touraeg TDI Executive with about 70k miles on it that they pegged in the low 20s on trade, citing the diesel scandal. They said that were it not for that fact, they'd have been in the upper 20s on it.

I guess I expected the Q5s to be similarly affected.