Real-World Trade-In Values

Mr_Shiftright

Too bad about the paint. Problem is, if you paint the bumper and the roof, you'll spend $1000--$1,500 and only get that much extra for it. Why bother?

beofgod

qbrozen said:

Probably about $18.5k on the Subaru.

Thanks for the reponce!!

beofgod

Hello, I need the trade in value for a

2015 Chevy Volt
Fully loaded
Exterior silver interior black leather
41000 miles

Thanks

qbrozen

beofgod said:

Hello, I need the trade in value for a 2015 Chevy Volt Fully loaded Exterior silver interior black leather 41000 miles Thanks

What state are you in? And what is the condition of the car? Does it have any needs? Any past or present damage?

carperso

kyfdx said:

qbrozen said:

kyfdx said:

Yeah.. I don't see any mention of RWD. Probably have to get south of GA to find one of those.

2016 X3 28i

that means RWD.

X3 sDrive 28i is RWD
X3 xDrive 28i is AWD

If that turns out to be RWD, I'll eat your hat.

You dont have to. It is an xdrive.

I forgot my password and didnt log on for a while.

kyfdx

carperso said:

kyfdx said:

qbrozen said:

kyfdx said:

Yeah.. I don't see any mention of RWD. Probably have to get south of GA to find one of those.

2016 X3 28i

that means RWD.

X3 sDrive 28i is RWD
X3 xDrive 28i is AWD

If that turns out to be RWD, I'll eat your hat.

You dont have to. It is an xdrive.

I forgot my password and didnt log on for a while.

I only get excited when my wife says, "You were right".

akedmunds1

Hi qbrozen (and anyone else who knows),
I'm trying to decide among the following cars for my wife and I'd like to know what are recent auction prices for them (assume clean titles/carfax, good condition):

- 2014 Mercedes Benz E350 4Matic (with a gasoline V6 and AWD)
- 2014 Mercedes Benz E250 4Matic (with a diesel engine and AWD)
- 2014 Audi Q5 2.0t with Quattro (AWD)

Ideally, the mileage would be around 25K-40K.

These are in the Portland, Oregon area, if that helps. I'm seeing a fair number of E350s available
both in Portland as well as in the Seattle area, but at a wide range of prices, so I'd like to know what
dealers paid in auction for them.
I'm seeing fewer Audi Q5 cars available.

Also, do prices for used cars at dealers drop significantly on model year transitions i.e should I expect a further reduction in
prices when the model-year 2018 Audi Q5 or Mercedes E300 become available?

Lots of questions, I know, but you guys have been very helpful (and accurate) before! The wife has only liked driving luxury
brands this time around, and it will be the first time I venture into this price range (previously, stuck with Toyotas) so I'd like to be
as prepared as I can be. Thanks in advance for your responses.

brian125

qbrozen

Q- Can you give me a Trade price for 2012 Optima EX, 42k White over Grey leather w/ Premium pck, Pano roof, Tires 16 months old . Excellent condition no scratches . NY dealer Trade in .

Is 13k a high target price for this vehicle ??

nyccarguy

Hey @qbrozen.  Can you give me an approximate trade in value for the following Dodge Dart Aero in Northern California (San Fran):

2013 black on black 34000 miles 1.4 turbo stick. 8/10 condition.  

its for my cousin.  He's curious to see what his Dart is worth.

Michaell

nyccarguy said:

Hey @qbrozen.  Can you give me an approximate trade in value for the following Dodge Dart Aero in Northern California (San Fran):

2013 black on black 34000 miles 1.4 turbo stick. 8/10 condition.  

its for my cousin.  He's curious to see what his Dart is worth.

This oughta be interesting ....

28firefighter

nyccarguy said:

Hey @qbrozen.  Can you give me an approximate trade in value for the following Dodge Dart Aero in Northern California (San Fran):

2013 black on black 34000 miles 1.4 turbo stick. 8/10 condition.  

its for my cousin.  He's curious to see what his Dart is worth.

This is not going to be pretty. 

qbrozen

akedmunds1 said:

Hi qbrozen (and anyone else who knows), I'm trying to decide among the following cars for my wife and I'd like to know what are recent auction prices for them (assume clean titles/carfax, good condition): - 2014 Mercedes Benz E350 4Matic (with a gasoline V6 and AWD) - 2014 Mercedes Benz E250 4Matic (with a diesel engine and AWD) - 2014 Audi Q5 2.0t with Quattro (AWD) Ideally, the mileage would be around 25K-40K. These are in the Portland, Oregon area, if that helps. I'm seeing a fair number of E350s available both in Portland as well as in the Seattle area, but at a wide range of prices, so I'd like to know what dealers paid in auction for them. I'm seeing fewer Audi Q5 cars available. Also, do prices for used cars at dealers drop significantly on model year transitions i.e should I expect a further reduction in prices when the model-year 2018 Audi Q5 or Mercedes E300 become available? Lots of questions, I know, but you guys have been very helpful (and accurate) before! The wife has only liked driving luxury brands this time around, and it will be the first time I venture into this price range (previously, stuck with Toyotas) so I'd like to be as prepared as I can be. Thanks in advance for your responses.

$28k for the 350
$32k for the 250
$27k on the audi premium plus

Prices fall pretty steadily. Used car buyers aren't typically watching new cars hitting the market. However, I suppose an influx of lease returns due to new model year intro could drive the price down a tick. No way to predict.

qbrozen

brian125 said:

qbrozen Q- Can you give me a Trade price for 2012 Optima EX, 42k White over Grey leather w/ Premium pck, Pano roof, Tires 16 months old . Excellent condition no scratches . NY dealer Trade in . Is 13k a high target price for this vehicle ??

$13k As a trade? Not a chance. That would be fair retail. Trade is about $9k.

qbrozen

nyccarguy said:

Hey @qbrozen.  Can you give me an approximate trade in value for the following Dodge Dart Aero in Northern California (San Fran):

2013 black on black 34000 miles 1.4 turbo stick. 8/10 condition.  

its for my cousin.  He's curious to see what his Dart is worth.

Hmmm...maybe $6k. Stick doesn't seem to be hurting these.

nyccarguy

qbrozen said:

nyccarguy said:

Hey @qbrozen.  Can you give me an approximate trade in value for the following Dodge Dart Aero in Northern California (San Fran):

2013 black on black 34000 miles 1.4 turbo stick. 8/10 condition.  

its for my cousin.  He's curious to see what his Dart is worth.

Hmmm...maybe $6k. Stick doesn't seem to be hurting these.

Thanks @qbrozen! I'll let you know how he does!

nyccarguy

One more for you my friend:

2015 Ford Explorer XLT
25K Miles
Grey Exterior/Black Interior
Navigation
Pano Roof
Automatic
4WD
DVD Player in the head rests
NYC Suburbs (Rockland County)

It is my brother in law's truck. There are 5 months left on the lease and my sister would rather not pay for 2 vehicles. She's bringing the truck to the dealer today so he can have his wholesalers look at it.

andres3

qbrozen said:

nyccarguy said:

Hey @qbrozen.  Can you give me an approximate trade in value for the following Dodge Dart Aero in Northern California (San Fran):

2013 black on black 34000 miles 1.4 turbo stick. 8/10 condition.  

its for my cousin.  He's curious to see what his Dart is worth.

Hmmm...maybe $6k. Stick doesn't seem to be hurting these.

that's probably because the automatics from Dodge have a much shorter half-life than a typical clutch.

Mr_Shiftright

So if he paid around $20K for the Aero, in about 3.5 years he's lost $14K. Edmunds predicts about 50% average depreciation, so yeah, he's taking a bit of a beating.

qbrozen

nyccarguy said:

One more for you my friend: 2015 Ford Explorer XLT 25K Miles Grey Exterior/Black Interior Navigation Pano Roof Automatic 4WD DVD Player in the head rests NYC Suburbs (Rockland County) It is my brother in law's truck. There are 5 months left on the lease and my sister would rather not pay for 2 vehicles. She's bringing the truck to the dealer today so he can have his wholesalers look at it.

Well, if wholesaling, they'll prob be in the mid $24k to $25k tops. If dealer wants it for their lot, they could push to $26k.

woodyww

Hi guys, This is at a BMW dealer in Peabody, MA:

2014 BMW X3 xDrive35i SUV. Mileage 26,437. Space Gray Metallic w/black interior. PREMIUM PACKAGE, DRIVER ASSISTANCE PACKAGE, COLD WEATHER PACKAGE, TECHNOLOGY PACKAGE, NAV. $35,991.

No pics yet. The young sales nitwit I talked to said it's being CPO'd & not available to drive for a couple of days yet. I haven't done a huge amount of research on these, but it seems like most of the ones FS have higher miles & the 4 cyl.

I'm assuming the 6 cyl. is a lot more desirable (?)--I just can't feature a 4 banger in a bmw of this size.

Anyway, what do you think as to price? And anything problematic with this year, engine, or transmission? My gut is telling me it might sell fast (?). The salesgirl said I could put a phone deposit to hold it until it's ready for sale. Altho maybe I just have Spring Fever.....

TIA, Woody

28firefighter

That feels a bit high for a CPO 2014 personally. I think the right number is 31-32, but I could be way off base.

brian125

@qbrozen ................TKS

woodyww

28firefighter said:

That feels a bit high for a CPO 2014 personally. I think the right number is 31-32, but I could be way off base.

After I posted the info about that X3, I looked up the "TMV" prices on edmunds. In "outstanding" condition, with those miles, it was: $27,560 PP. $30,282 dealer retail. CPO $32,323. So you're pretty much spot on, according to edmunds.

It's at a major bmw dealer near Boston tho. Somehow, I doubt they're into negotiating much. I'll see.......

qbrozen

About $28k at auction. $33k would be the moon, IMHO. But BMW dealers are very very proud of their CPO merchandise.

xwesx

So, they're at $36K, and market says $32K? That might be a tough bridge to cross, but it's worth a try! You have to remember that the dealer isn't going to let a buyer walk unless 1., the deal really doesn't make financial sense for them, or 2., they are confident that the merchandise is going to move very soon for a significantly higher price than what's on the table.

Breld has pulled off some really good buys through his persistence; you can do the same!

xwesx

@breld - What is the cost of going through a broker? I'm starting to wonder if that might be a good option for locating a replacement for my wife's car.... So far, the pickings seem very, very slim.

breld

Not entirely sure - I don't think they generally have a straight up fee.  I think they basically get a decent "fleet" deal on a car, then pad it a bit for their own profit.  I'd guess they shoot for a $300-500 profit for each transaction.  Totally a guess though.  

Considering they do provide at least a convenience, and they probably do have relationships that may make it easier to quickly get to a fair price, I think it's fair.  

fushigi

fushigi said:

So, Infiniti dealer was between $7500-8K but Carmax was much more generous at $9500. They said that it would basically need a detailing and virtually no reconditioning for them to put it out to sell. I can see why people like Carmax; the whole process with them was painless, no pressure, and exactly as it should be.

My new ride is a '17 QX60 (Premium, Premium Plus, and Deluxe Tech packages). Got a little over $8K off MSRP putting it over $4K under invoice.

For fun I've been monitoring Carmax's Outlander postings to see what they'd expect to get for my old car. It appeared this morning. Moved from Illinois to Indiana. They appear to believe they can make $6500 on it as the $9500 they gave me has turned into a $15,998 no-haggle price. https://www.carmax.com/car/14379673

Mr_Shiftright

Yeah, well, good luck with that CARMAX. Really, $11K seems all the money.

xwesx

Alright, Q. Back to the game!

Auction values for 2013 Subaru Forester X Premium.

Specifically, I'm looking at:
Manual Transmission
Plus package (I think maybe called "All-Weather Plus" - includes touchscreen & backup cam)
Deep Cherry over Black
52,000 miles
Illinois

I'm shooting for $16,200 OTD. How off am I?

Alternatively, this same car, sans Plus pkg, in Connecticut with 67,000 miles.

Thanks!

nyccarguy

xwesx said:

Alright, Q. Back to the game! Auction values for 2013 Subaru Forester X Premium. Specifically, I'm looking at: Manual Transmission Plus package (I think maybe called "All-Weather Plus" - includes touchscreen & backup cam) Deep Cherry over Black 52,000 miles Illinois I'm shooting for $16,200 OTD. How off am I? Alternatively, this same car, sans Plus pkg, in Connecticut with 67,000 miles. Thanks!

Nice!  Where in CT?  Let me know if you want me to take a look at it for you.

stickguy

you will go all the way to connecticut to drive a car back? Jeez.

28firefighter

stickguy said:

you will go all the way to connecticut to drive a car back? Jeez.

Pretty sure he got his Passat TDI from somewhere in Ohio and drove it back, right, @xwesx ? At some point its just an extra day of driving...

kyfdx

28firefighter said:

stickguy said:

you will go all the way to connecticut to drive a car back? Jeez.

Pretty sure he got his Passat TDI from somewhere in Ohio and drove it back, right, @xwesx ? At some point its just an extra day of driving...

Yeah... he bought the Passat in Fort Loramie, OH

qbrozen

xwesx said:

Alright, Q. Back to the game! Auction values for 2013 Subaru Forester X Premium. Specifically, I'm looking at: Manual Transmission Plus package (I think maybe called "All-Weather Plus" - includes touchscreen & backup cam) Deep Cherry over Black 52,000 miles Illinois I'm shooting for $16,200 OTD. How off am I? Alternatively, this same car, sans Plus pkg, in Connecticut with 67,000 miles. Thanks!

I can't help you with OTD. I think they'd be looking for that as a purchase price before taxes and fees. Auction is in the mid $14s on it.

Is the CT one the same color? And also manual? It would be closer to $13800-14k

xwesx

qbrozen said:

I can't help you with OTD. I think they'd be looking for that as a purchase price before taxes and fees. Auction is in the mid $14s on it.

Is the CT one the same color? And also manual? It would be closer to $13800-14k

Okay, thanks.

The CT car is identical to the other, yes, except that it doesn't have the "Plus" features (and a few more miles). They're asking $14,850 on that one, so it sounds like that one is listed at a good price already. The other? They're asking $18K, which I think is way too high.

xwesx

28firefighter said:

stickguy said:

you will go all the way to connecticut to drive a car back? Jeez.

Pretty sure he got his Passat TDI from somewhere in Ohio and drove it back, right, @xwesx ? At some point its just an extra day of driving...

LOL Yeah, you guys have it all correct! I bought our '10 Forester in Seattle, which is about 2,200 miles home. The Passat was in Ohio, and I registered 3,850 miles on that run. Our Q7 was in Houston, TX. That stands as my "insanity record" for driving a car home. We clocked over 5,100 miles on that one!

A run from CT would be about 4,300 miles, so nothing out of the ordinary.

xwesx

nyccarguy said:

Nice!  Where in CT?  Let me know if you want me to take a look at it for you.

Naugatuck.

If you want to take a look at it, I certainly won't dissuade you! This is the dealer listing.

Looks pretty solid from the photos, but I know these cars well enough to know their typical faults. One thing that annoys me about this listing is that the dealer lists it as a "Plus Package," when it clearly does not have a plus package. Plus, according to authoritative sources, includes fog lights, navigation, and a backup cam. All manual premiums in 2013 include heated seats and mirrors.

Typical issues I find with Subaru: Interior door, dash, and liftgate rattles (I mean constant ones, not just in response to significant bumps or harsh surfaces). For New England cars, undercarriage (subframe) corrosion and corrosion of engine accessories (such as PS, AC, alternator, and pulleys). This car should be pretty young for such issues, but that stuff can creep up quickly if properly neglected in that environment.

Carfax lists both of the cars as having two previous owners, but otherwise no blemishes.

nyccarguy

@xwesx - Looks like Naugatuck is about an hour north of where I live. The earliest I could get up there would be next Thursday. The car looks clean in the pictures and I'm nowhere nearly as mechanically inclined or knowledgeable as you, but if you want me to take a ride up there to test drive the car for you, I will.

If you decide to pull the trigger, see if you can get some sort of connecting flight into Westchester County Airport (HPN), I can pick you up and take you up to Naugatuck. It gives me an excuse to put some miles on the Infiniti!

xwesx

nyccarguy said:

@xwesx - Looks like Naugatuck is about an hour north of where I live. The earliest I could get up there would be next Thursday. The car looks clean in the pictures and I'm nowhere nearly as mechanically inclined or knowledgeable as you, but if you want me to take a ride up there to test drive the car for you, I will.

If you decide to pull the trigger, see if you can get some sort of connecting flight into Westchester County Airport (HPN), I can pick you up and take you up to Naugatuck. It gives me an excuse to put some miles on the Infiniti!

If you're willing to make that run, I'm interested in whatever report you give (mechanically inclined or no!). Your Subaru experience is recent enough that you'll likely pick up on anything that doesn't seem right.

I am not in super-serious mode yet, but I think I'll be disposing of our '10 this afternoon (third try is the charm, right?), so all the chips are in place. This is my wife's car, so if she green lights it, then I'll pull the trigger. She has certain criteria (e.g., she wants the car she had before), but one of my criterion is that it is 2011-2013 so that it has the FB engine in it. So, color is out (paprika was 2010 MY only), but she insists on black interior and manual transmission. Pickings = slim! Haha

It should be an easy acquisition overall, as this will be an out-of-pocket expenditure.

nyccarguy

xwesx said:

nyccarguy said:

@xwesx - Looks like Naugatuck is about an hour north of where I live. The earliest I could get up there would be next Thursday. The car looks clean in the pictures and I'm nowhere nearly as mechanically inclined or knowledgeable as you, but if you want me to take a ride up there to test drive the car for you, I will.

If you decide to pull the trigger, see if you can get some sort of connecting flight into Westchester County Airport (HPN), I can pick you up and take you up to Naugatuck. It gives me an excuse to put some miles on the Infiniti!

If you're willing to make that run, I'm interested in whatever report you give (mechanically inclined or no!). Your Subaru experience is recent enough that you'll likely pick up on anything that doesn't seem right.

I am not in super-serious mode yet, but I think I'll be disposing of our '10 this afternoon (third try is the charm, right?), so all the chips are in place. This is my wife's car, so if she green lights it, then I'll pull the trigger. She has certain criteria (e.g., she wants the car she had before), but one of my criterion is that it is 2011-2013 so that it has the FB engine in it. So, color is out (paprika was 2010 MY only), but she insists on black interior and manual transmission. Pickings = slim! Haha

It should be an easy acquisition overall, as this will be an out-of-pocket expenditure.

Let me know when you get into "Super Serious Mode" and I'll gladly take a ride up there on your behalf!

beofgod

qbrozen said:

beofgod said:

Hello, I need the trade in value for a

2015 Chevy Volt
Fully loaded
Exterior silver interior black leather
41000 miles

Thanks

What state are you in? And what is the condition of the car? Does it have any needs? Any past or present damage?

beofgod said:

Probably about $18.5k on the Subaru.

Thanks for the reponce!!

I'm in Maryland 20695, it's in excellent condition, and no past or present damage...

woodyww

qbrozen said:

About $28k at auction. $33k would be the moon, IMHO. But BMW dealers are very very proud of their CPO merchandise.

Thanks! I'm starting to wonder if that car really exists. And the young sales nitwit is just using my info. to bug me to "go in there"; but that particular CPO car is never available somehow......

2 more Questions if you would: 1. What does a bmw dealer pay for the CPO warranty?

& 2.--my car: 2000 BMW 5 Series 528i Wagon. 34,400 miles (yeah, I know). Black with Tan interior, auto., premium package & Leather. Great mechanical condition, & it sounds crazy, but really runs & handles like new. Cosmetic; one missing mirror cap, very small rear bumper rash on one side, crack in the air dam under the front bumper.

The Edmunds TMU value, with the low miles, & in clean condition is $2520 trade in, private party $3400, retail $4879. Oh, this is in Southern NH. Do these #'s sound right? I can't see selling it for that.....

TIA, Woody

xwesx

nyccarguy said:

If you decide to pull the trigger, see if you can get some sort of connecting flight into Westchester County Airport (HPN), I can pick you up and take you up to Naugatuck. It gives me an excuse to put some miles on the Infiniti!

It looks like flying into HPN would be brutal! I did a little bit of flight browsing last night, and mileage tickets are out due to them being extraordinarily high (burned most of my miles on the four-person jaunt to Houston last month!). Price isn't a deal-breaker, but the timing of flights is just so brutal. I would probably need at least a day to recuperate just to be able to drive home. LOL

Again, not yet trying to nail anything down, just weighing options, total cost, etc.

Thankfully, the buyer is a go for my '10 Forester. He's picking it up tomorrow morning.

isellhondas

woodyww said:

qbrozen said:

About $28k at auction. $33k would be the moon, IMHO. But BMW dealers are very very proud of their CPO merchandise.

Thanks! I'm starting to wonder if that car really exists. And the young sales nitwit is just using my info. to bug me to "go in there"; but that particular CPO car is never available somehow......

2 more Questions if you would: 1. What does a bmw dealer pay for the CPO warranty?

& 2.--my car: 2000 BMW 5 Series 528i Wagon. 34,400 miles (yeah, I know). Black with Tan interior, auto., premium package & Leather. Great mechanical condition, & it sounds crazy, but really runs & handles like new. Cosmetic; one missing mirror cap, very small rear bumper rash on one side, crack in the air dam under the front bumper.

The Edmunds TMU value, with the low miles, & in clean condition is $2520 trade in, private party $3400, retail $4879. Oh, this is in Southern NH. Do these #'s sound right? I can't see selling it for that.....

TIA, Woody

I would say those numbers sound LOW for that car with those miles! Still, I guess it's 17 years old too?

qbrozen

woodyww said:

About $28k at auction. $33k would be the moon, IMHO. But BMW dealers are very very proud of their CPO merchandise.

Thanks! I'm starting to wonder if that car really exists. And the young sales nitwit is just using my info. to bug me to "go in there"; but that particular CPO car is never available somehow......

2 more Questions if you would: 1. What does a bmw dealer pay for the CPO warranty?

& 2.--my car: 2000 BMW 5 Series 528i Wagon. 34,400 miles (yeah, I know). Black with Tan interior, auto., premium package & Leather. Great mechanical condition, & it sounds crazy, but really runs & handles like new. Cosmetic; one missing mirror cap, very small rear bumper rash on one side, crack in the air dam under the front bumper.

The Edmunds TMU value, with the low miles, & in clean condition is $2520 trade in, private party $3400, retail $4879. Oh, this is in Southern NH. Do these #'s sound right? I can't see selling it for that.....

TIA, Woody

Wait wait wait. You have an ultra low mile E39 wagon? Good god, man, put that thing on the bmw message boards and roundel and you'll have a feeding frenzy. I seriously think $7900 is not out of order for an asking price. With some of the craziness I have seen out there with low mileage E39s, it may even be low.

qbrozen

beofgod said:

qbrozen said:

beofgod said:

Hello, I need the trade in value for a



2015 Chevy Volt

Fully loaded

Exterior silver interior black leather

41000 miles



Thanks

What state are you in? And what is the condition of the car? Does it have any needs? Any past or present damage?

beofgod said:

Probably about $18.5k on the Subaru.

Thanks for the reponce!!

I'm in Maryland 20695, it's in excellent condition, and no past or present damage...

Somewhere in the $12k-$13k neighborhood. I think $13k should be doable but depends how they feel about it.

Mr_Shiftright

qbrozen said:

woodyww said:

qbrozen said:

About $28k at auction. $33k would be the moon, IMHO. But BMW dealers are very very proud of their CPO merchandise.

Thanks! I'm starting to wonder if that car really exists. And the young sales nitwit is just using my info. to bug me to "go in there"; but that particular CPO car is never available somehow......



2 more Questions if you would: 1. What does a bmw dealer pay for the CPO warranty?



& 2.--my car: 2000 BMW 5 Series 528i Wagon. 34,400 miles (yeah, I know). Black with Tan interior, auto., premium package & Leather. Great mechanical condition, & it sounds crazy, but really runs & handles like new. Cosmetic; one missing mirror cap, very small rear bumper rash on one side, crack in the air dam under the front bumper.



The Edmunds TMU value, with the low miles, & in clean condition is $2520 trade in, private party $3400, retail $4879. Oh, this is in Southern NH. Do these #'s sound right? I can't see selling it for that.....



TIA, Woody

Wait wait wait. You have an ultra low mile E39 wagon? Good god, man, put that thing on the bmw message boards and roundel and you'll have a feeding frenzy. I seriously think $7900 is not out of order for an asking price. With some of the craziness I have seen out there with low mileage E39s, it may even be low.

*********************************************************************************

I'm with Q on this. Throw the price guides out the window on this one. I would replace that mirror cover, touch up the bumper and put it on Bring A Trailer or as Q says, the BMW message boards---I'd ask $8500 and I'd hang tough, too. Why? Because if you price out a new BMW Series 3 Sport Wagon with some options you're going to bust into $50K territory. IIRC, there is no 5 series wagon anymore.

28firefighter

I would absolutely wait for every penny of $8500 like the others have said.

This car sounds perfect for @stickguy. 

Mr_Shiftright

Q--how much room is there on this one? 2012 VW GTI Autobahn trim, 54,000 miles, loaded up, good dealer, manual transmission, black on black. They are asking $12.9K in groovy Marin county, CA.

http://www.sanrafaelmitsubishi.com/mobile/details.cfm?type=Used&vin=WVWED7AJ2CW324174