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Glad to see your posts, Exe3. Good to hear from you.
13k on Sedona. Check engine light came on again. Took it to dealer..."light came on in error; no problem". yeah, except the 30 mile drive to the dealer for a "mistake".
Saw 4 Sedonas this weekend in Houston. I had not seen any, then saw 4 on Saturday. I think the last one I saw was just as surprised to see me. Seems like she followed me almost all the way home. I thought it might be my startling good looks; but then I came back to reality (translation: sarcasm from wife).
RGDS to all
Hok
I have to disagree. The point of ABS is NOT to stop in a straight line! When a vehicle is in a panic stop configuration, it will continue in a straight line, (physics: an object will continue in a straight line until another force is encountered) no matter how many steering inputs are made. The wheels lose all traction with the road riding a layer of tread grease and cannot produce a force to alter the direction of the vehicle.
With ABS, the brake pedal can be depressed to the radiator, and the ability to steer the vehicle is maintained! This is huge. Unfortunately, to be most effective, the driver has to know what the options are, and practice the concept of "having an out". Again, unfortunately, in those two, three or four seconds at most, the "conventional" driver training is to avoid hitting the car in front of you, not thinking how you can steer around it.
This is really important. The point of ABS is not to stop in straight line. It is to maintain control of the vehicle. I would recommend you practice this someday in vehicles with and without ABS. You may be surprised by the results.
MC126: The TV/VCR option may not work well with the console. I looked into that before I purchased a portable DVD player. The weight on those is pretty significant (lightest one I found for 9" TV was over 30 lbs.) Not sure how long the console would hold up with that kinda weight over a prolonged period. Not a whole lotta room there either. The 9" would have just barely squeezed in.
Mfbono2: Thanks for the tip. I checked it out and built one from velcro straps, some old canvas, and handles from a duffle bag that works under the same principle. Cost me a heckuva lot less, and has more "character"
Also read earlier posts about windnoise with the sunroof, anyone recomend the deflector and can/should someone with little skill (me) do it themselves?
Thanks!
Gill
2004 Honda Accord EX-L Graphite Pearl
2007 Honda Civic EX - Atomic Blue
2013 Honda Civic LX - Crimson Pearl
Just something I thought some might consider. The unit we got is a bit heavy, but the low center of gravity and non-skid base make it pretty stable. I plan to rig up a few fastening straps on the fold-away center console to keep it from flying on sudden stops.
Though I don't have my Sedona yet, I'm gonna take a look at the TV/VCR tomorrow. Seems like a good deal!
http://www.guytoys.net/tvconsole/index.html
How do you find the heating capability on those cold, cold days and nights.
That is one of my biggest concerns in this van.
Anyone else live in a very cold climate.
I live in Winnipeg, Manitoba and it can get to 30 or 40 below, and I don't want a van that can't at least keep "ME" above freezing! ;-)
Any comments would be appreciated. - Greg
Here is why I ask. I have reposessed our Kia from my wife.
By the way, I too have never seen another Sedona on the road. I feel so lonesome. And as always a small issue, is the rear windshield water supposed to dribble or spray on the window?
Thanks!!!!
Well, as I posted earlier, I like to keep a spare key in my wallet just in case I lock the keys in the car. It's saved my keyster (har, har) a couple times. Had one made for the Sedona at Trak Auto...wouldn't even fit into the keyhole. I finally got around to calling the dealer yesterday. For a couple bucks, they can cut me a slim key, without the thick plastic sleeve, that will fit in my wallet, but it will only open the door. For a spare that you can start the car with, gotta get the blank with a chip in it, from the dealer. It's a relative bargain at fifty (that's 5-0) dollars. HOWEVER, to make it work, they tell me, the chip has to be programmed. This takes an hour and costs ANOTHER EIGHTY-FIVE BUCKS! For $135, I don't think the orange-haired, slack-jawed teenager will be getting his own key.
Nesseca: I have a Thule four-bike, trailer hitch mounted bike rack, which I used on my Crapostar. I'll go find the model number, if you're interested. I like it, because it mounts to the hitch in minutes, is easy to completely remove when you don't need it, and is very solid and secure. It ALSO has a quick-release feature that allows you to fold it down, even with four bikes on it, to allow access to the rear door. Very handy. The disadvantage is that it adds about three feet to the length of the vehicle, which can be an issue in some parking spaces. However, the Sedona is so tall that I felt a roof mount rack would be too much hassle. Plus, I couldn't load it in my carport or enter most parking garages.
Now, as for installing the hitch.......I had an RV guy put the hitch on my Junkostar. Following Excelent3's excellent advice, found here in this forum, I purchased a 1 1/4" hitch for the Sedona on e-trailer.com. It arrived yesterday! I've got a couple days off, so I intend to try installing it. Doesn't look TOO hard; I was actually able to view the instruction in PDF format on the e-trailer website. Still, I've learned never to be smug about any auto work. Plus, it's 18 degrees today. If I don't crush my fingers with a wrench, or get them too frostbitten to type, I'll report back on the hitch installation in the next 24-48 hours. (And this will be a REAL handyman experience, not like Excelent3's "It was easy; only took twenty minutes!" The man's a pro....it'll probably take me five hours, four bandaids, and an ace wrap.)
Good to be back.
Mark
BTW, the coupon code is ACGN660 for 10% off of orders $80 to $199.99 or 15% off of orders $200.00 or more. It is good until June 30, 2002 .
This is the first minivan that I have driven in the winter that can keep the rear side windows clear at highway speeds and -10F. The windshield defroster does not get really hot, but still seems to work, especially if the A/C button is pushed (dries out the interior air).
Due to the lack of temperature control for the rear heater some (US?) Sedonas appear to have had a dampner put on the rear heater output to lessen the number of broiled lower legs for 3rd-row passengers. Hopefully Sedonas destined for the Great White North have not been similarly modified.
BTW, I have complained to Kia Canada about the lack of rear heater temperature controls. They at first responded politely that I was mistaken, and that indeed the rear heater temp was controllable as per the owner's manual. I, equally politely, informed them that they were quite wrong, and that a short perusal of this Town Hall will indicate that mine is not an isolated problem.
I recommend that all Sedona owners complain to their distributor. If we make enough noise the factory may come up with a fix.
I love the van even though I've always hated automatic transmissions. It shifts beautifully and has more power than I expected. I'm still reading the book to find all the little goodies included.
Yolo-
Ide be careful of that $9.99 wiring setup. It is my understanding that with the 3-2 wire setup it has you MUST use a converter. You can do serious electrical damage with a T-Type connector in these computerized cars.....just ask you local U-Haul dealer, they will tell you this. To substantiate this I find it somewhat concerning that E-Trailer has been advertising a T-connector made by Drawtite for some time, but are not providing it.......hmmm....in fact after I called Draw-Tite Engineering in Michigan they told me they would not be available until June or July because they were experiencing resistance problems, obviously they do not want the liability of an untested product messing up computerized cars. Let us know how you come out with your wiring setup.
At least as long as you don't have to deal with infiltraitors whos names are not worthy of mention.
You could render things such as your cruise control, or even your shift interlock (I guess the Sedona has one of those, but what do I know, I'm an MPV "infiltrator" 8^) ) inoperative. Best case mistake, you don't have brake lights. Worst case, you can't shift into gear because the interlock circuit doesn't know you have your foot on the brake.
So be careful what you connect, short, etc.
And as Fred said, much of this is tied to the computer, so mistakes can be even more costly.
I doubt even the excellent BtoB warranty covers user error.
FWIW
TB
MPV Infiltrator 8^)
Thanks for the info on the bike rack. What is the model number for that Thule rack you mentioned? Good luck and godspeed with your installation.
Hey, Ex (Fred, right?): now, you make this newcomer to this board feel as welcome as you did the rest of us. Go on over to his house (he probably lives in Alaska, not Janesville), and install that hitch for him. And shine his leather, too. Me, joking? I'm the soul of serious debate here, man. Just don't talk about putting that Sedona critic's head on a stick in your front yard anymore. If you get tossed from the site, we'll never tow again!
Mark
Also, came across this link. I think this review was posted before, but in re-reading it, I think I may have written a few of the paragraphs. More to the point, it's an excellent read for the (wild and crafty) lurking prospective buyers....
http://www.carbuytip.com/reviews/2002_kia_sedona.html
Guy Fawkes Day is quite something is it not??
http://www.bonefire.org/guy/
More on keys (again!): Went to my dealer. No, Joe Partsman says, consulting his manual, the Sedona key is NOT a programmable. They can make me a spare for a couple of bucks. But.....they all have that thick plastic sleeve that would make it like storing a pair of tin snips in my wallet. I suppose I could sand off the plastic......
Oh, and this year's Consumer Reports annual car issue is out. They haven't done a full review of the Sedona, but they did include a quick capsule, as they do on all models. Mostly favorable comments, though of course they can't evaluate reliability yet, a key element in their overall recommendations. Two criticisms: they found the handling mushy in turns (I might agree with them there) and, like some other reviewers, called it "underpowered"! Is Kia supplying them with hamster-powered models? This van isn't perfect, but the LAST criticism I would make of it would be "underpowered"! I have to constantly watch my lead foot to make sure I'm not speeding, even with a full load.
Thanks again...
exford "Your Thoughts About KIA" Mar 2, 2002 9:28pm
here's the link:
Quoted from Insurance Special Report A-41 (January 1994) with last quote almost identical in second Report A-47 (January 1995), Highway Loss Data Institute, 1005 N. Glebe Road, Suite 800, Arlington, VA 22201, USA.
One of the problems is that, apparently, people are not "standing on the brake" when they need to come to a panic stop to avoid a collision. Our driving habits are too ingrained and it's hard to remember not to step lightly or modulate the brakes to avoid a lock-up. Also, if you have a flat and drive on the "donut" supplied by many manufacturers (not a problem with the Sedona) you will throw the ABS callibration off. Some cars have a wired connection that you have to unplug when you take the spare out so as to turn off the ABS. Even changing the tire size can cause a problem.
For more on this subject, go to http://www.highwaysafety.org/safety_facts/qanda/antilock.htm#4 where you'l find, among other Q&As the following:
4. Do car antilocks reduce crashes?
Although car antilocks perform well on the test track, there's no evidence they have made significant reductions in the number of on-the-road crashes. A 1994 Highway Loss Data Institute (HLDI) study and a subsequent 1995 study compare insurance claims for groups of otherwise identical cars with and without antilocks, finding no differences in the overall frequency or cost of crashes for which insurance claims for vehicle damage are filed. Because antilocks should make the most difference on wet and slippery roads, researchers also studied insurance claims experience in 29 northern states during winter months. Even here they found no difference in the frequency of insurance claims for vehicles with and without antilock brakes. A 1996 Institute study, as well as a 2000 update, reported no difference in the overall fatal crash involvement of cars with and without antilocks.
Federal studies of car antilocks are consistent with Institute and HLDI findings. According to one federal report, "the overall, net effect of antilock brakes" on both police-reported crashes and fatal crashes "was close to zero." The federal studies of effects of antilocks on passenger vehicle crashes found positive effects on wet roads and negative effects for run-off-road crashes. These two opposite results cancel each other. Leonard Evans, a researcher with General Motors, reported that antilock-equipped cars were less likely to rear-end other vehicles but more likely to have other vehicles rear-end them. Again, the net result was little effect on overall crash risk. In a study done for auto manufacturers, Failure Analysis Associates reported a net beneficial effect of antilocks on nonfatal crashes but no effect on fatal crashes.
This dealership was professional especially Dave Devito. i am not a "van fan", but I am impressed by the ride and accessories, but the warranty is what sold me. i would stay away from
All Star Kia and Kia Mall of Georgia. Town Center was decent and we would have bought there except that they were going to charge us to pick up the very same car from the other dealer.
Kia of Blue Ridge will sell at 3% over invoice.
We have no children left at home, but my wife teaches and we have a daughter in school 4 hours from here, so it did make sense to do this, as it is the heaviest and perhaps most comfortable van.
As has been stated before here, unless you intend to sell it in a year or two, I think depreciation is an overrated issue with these vans. Driving what best fits your needs and likes is more important than a few thousand difference in amount of depreciation over several years. And over 6 years or more the difference should even out pretty well, especially when you factor in interest savings or investment income from the amount saved in initial purchase price.
Regarding earlier posts regarding TV/VCP. tray table will interfere with the ability to use one on floor. Looks like the hanging model will be what I go with.