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If your gonna buy the portable DVD check out this site for a "suspension system" to hold it place. Stumbled across it yesterday
http://www.portabledvdstore.com/sustheatsys.html
Also, while synthetic oil may provide better lubrication, the actual molecules are smaller and are not absorbed as well. This does two things. First, because the molecules are smaller, the engine may tend to leak oil. Combined with this comes gaskets that are not absorbing the oil and don't seal as well. Again causing a tendency to leak. The second absorption comes from the actual metal in the engine absorbing the oil. If this does not happen, there can actually be a loss in lubrication. Sounds nutty I know. If you do use synthetics, do so after the first 10,000 miles and don't complain about the puddle in your driveway.
BTW-years ago, manufacturers recommended changing the oil filter with every other oil change. This was done because the oil would break down quicker (30 years ago). With the advances in oil technology, the larger concern is not the quality of the oil, but the crap floating in it.
They will have difficulty refusing you warranty coverage if you can prove that you used warranty-approved oil (it is stated on the container)of the correct viscosity and a proper Kia/Hyundai filter. 5W30 is commonly specified for all newer vehicles, it seems, probably to reduce rotational friction in the engine and increase fuel economy. Most people use the same oil all year round these days.
A well built engine shouldn't leak anything whether using synthetic, or not. Syn oil usually leaks from older engines that already have smaller leaks, or, like davemak says, have gasket problems.
As long as the oil has the correct weight and meets the standards that the car maker requires (match the seal symbol on the oil to the requirement) it will work. RE the 5-30 vs 10w30...just make sure the weight matches what the manufacturer says.
I plan on running synthetic from the first change on, Mobile One. It has run great on 5 cars/trucks...not changing now. Bluedevils nailed it regarding the logging and receipts.
BTW, I've read more horror stories about quicklube places and oil plugs left loose/out or stripped than I care to repeat. Best take it to a mech you trust, or do it yourself. I always use the time to clean up underneath the care and look for problems developing.
Also another comment in passing. I had been out of this forum for some time so when it came up I read through a lot of the posts I hadn't seen and noticed someone mentioned that in buying a used Sedona you got the same warranty. As I recall the warranty terms, unless they have been changed, a buyer of a used vehicle does get all of the warranty EXCEPT the 10 year 100,000 mile limited drivetrain warranty. And that is passed along under certain conditions, such as selling to a close family member or buying a vehicle you have been leasing. Before I would rely on getting that in a used Sedona I would go to kia.com and read the entire warranty carefully.
The idea that synthetic oil will cause leaks, break down seals, etc. in well-running engines even when synthetic use is begun at low mileage is mostly an outdated theory, from what I can tell. Some of the very early synthetic oil concoctions, including Mobil 1's early stuff, did harm engines. But the manufacturers have learned a lot, and synthetic oil has come a long way in the past 10-20 years.
Leaks caused by synthetic oil is not something that concerns me. If people truly want the best protection, they really should consider synthetic oil. It would be a disservice for us to scare people off on account of increased likelihood of leaks.
Almost any major-brand oil on the market, whether synthetic or petrol-based, will meet this very lax requirement.
True, the Sedona owners manual does encourage owners to have take their vans to the dealer; that is to be expected. But the manual clearly states that other shops that know what they are doing is fully acceptable. Many times, the manufacturer will slant this as more of a scare tactic (e.g. "don't use genuine Toyota parts and service and you might void your warranty") even though legally they cannot require you to have your service performed at the dealer.
If you are really curious, you should review the thousands of posts in the synthetic motor oil, oil filters, and engine oil topics over in the Maintenance & Repair area. I try to keep up with things over there.
Regarding the power moon/sunroof, I've noticed that when I first turn the ignition on, I hear a brief "ca-click" from somewhere in the roof, forward of the sunroof opening. Just curious if other sun-roof equipped Sedona owners have noticed this noise. It's obviously a solenoid associated with the operation of the sunroof, but I'm wondering if it's supposed to operate every time the van is started.
Third row floor mats: I've mentioned this in an earlier post. My EX/leather came with a fitted third row floor mat of the same material and quality as the front and middle rows. Judging by what I've read in other posts, I think I'm the only Sedona in North America that got the third row mat! Is there ANYONE else out there that got a rear mat?
First, the fax. BTW, both of us are well-paid professionals in our 50's. Price was NOT a consideration on purchase. Bought new July 27th (the second one sold in Tulsa). Fully loaded, leather, roof, etc. No defects at all out the door, except the pesky roof rack wind whistle (now fixed).
Just to break it in, took a trip to Pike's Peak the second weekend. About 2800 miles round trip in 3 days. TOTAL COMFORT! No aches, pains. A joy to drive, even at 14500 feet. Ran into a Colorado Springs Kia dealer at the top, and he couldn't take his eyes off it - first he'd seen.
Took the back road to Cripple Creek (one-lane dirt and gravel). Kept changing drivers so both of us could stand up through the roof to gaze-gawk-and-glory at the beauty. Isn't God's outdoors GREAT!!!!?
This car gets driven HARD. We live WAAAY out in the boonies at the end of a gravel road. We've racked up almost 16000 miles in over 7 months with only one problem. The radio crapped out at the first month. Started "clipping" really bad above 24 or so. My wife said it was probably due to some cranked up to ear-bleed rolling stones problem, but.....naaaaaah. Phone call, a quick trip to the dealer and fixed.
Mileage is about 20 on the hiway, but my 4-cyl 5-spd Tacoma gets only 22, so what's the big deal. The back seats are pulled out and in the hall closet - LOTS of load space now. Takes about 5 minutes to reconfigure if we want to carry a gang.
Pros: A JOY to drive! ABSOLUTELY no regrets. Feels solid and looks like a Lexus. People still stare in disbelief when they see the KIA logo. Excellent overall mix of engineering and ergonomics. Strong and responsive - runs circles around the Lamestar it replaced. FIVE REAL TIRES AND WHEELS! AT LAST had a REAL tire rotation! MOST EXCELLENT dealer. Kick-[non-permissible content removed] sound system. No squeaks, no rattles, nothing falling off. And we LOVE the bin in the dash.
Cons: Road noise (but can cover that with music) and that REALLY BAD DESIGN for the back-seat heater.
Conclusions: Sorento comes, Toyota goes. Get my drift??
BTW, we also have a brand new chocolate lab named...
Connie's Kia Mia.
You mentioned your roof rack "whistle" is fixed. What did you do? My dealer told me that is just part of having a roof rack. My last van didn't have a rack, so I believed the dealer. Did you do something or had it fixed by the dealer? That whistling noise is about the only thing that bothers me about our Sedona. I love the van other than that...
Seats- I am 6'1 about 235 solid build. After 2-3 hour drives my but still aches somewhat. Seats are better in my Previa, never get sore. I have leather.
Now have 4400 miles. This is the best towing van I have ever owned. Towed 2500 lb trailer this week about 400 miles with Class II weight distribution hitch. Overdrive off, low drive was a dream. The low peak RPM range is the answer, torque abounds . Kia engineered a fine tow vehicle. No body flexing whatsoever. The steel unibody frame is superb. The Kia rides as good as any Mercedes or Audi I have owned. 4709 lbs of sheer driving pleasure. Those Hankooks are impressive tires too.
Going to a dealer today to start negotiations on the Sedona.
Hi, Excellent.
If your dealer says he doesn't know about this, he's a big fat liar liar pants on fire.
Also wanted to add another PRO to my message 1024: Love those flame-thrower high beams!
Thanks.
"Why yes, I did. Would you like to see it?"
Three office staff folks troop out to my lovely sapphire blue and proceed to crawl all about it admiring the leather, the storage bin in the dash, the nifty little between the seats foldaway tray, etc. and all the while I am talking about how nice it is to drive, the comfort, etc. None of them could believe it was a Kia but all were impressed and thought it highly stylish and nice looking.
I've got over a thousand miles on it now and am making excuses to go places. I have already saved over $50.00 in gas over my old conversion van so I am happy.
Mom23girls please post what your dealer says about your brake noise. I had something like that on my old (1985) chevy wagon when the brakes got wet.
I really wish I had found this board (what a great resource) before we got our Kia, but hey, better late than never. I mainly wish we had known how to better deal with dealers... but it sounds like we had the same bad experiences some others have had. I'm in the midwest and we got our Sedona in KC.
We got a slate blue EX back in September and we have around 5k miles on it so far and no problems at all. We LOVE the van.
I have a list of small issues and maybe somebody can tell me on one of them if this is the way it is and maybe if there is a good reason? My keyless remote doesn't work when the van is running. Is this the way it is supposed to be? For example, my hubby used his key to start the van tonight to warm it up when we were visiting relatives. He locks the doors and comes back in, we visit a few minutes, say our goodbyes and head out to the van with the baby and my keyless entry won't open the doors. Why is this? I had a villager in '95 and I'm pretty sure its keyless entry worked all the time.
Glad to be here !!!
I'm assuming you can get it in the States as well.
Ask you dealer.
... Greg
In Sedona owner's manual, page 3-4.
The keyless entry system does not operate when;
- The ignition key is in the ignition switch.
Sport visors for the front windows, a Side Step up kit, Trailer Hitch, Ski carrier for the roof rack, Wood trim for the doors, valve stem caps and touch up paint sticks for the "little scratches"... Check it for yourself.
If anyone knows where I can order the rear mat please advise. Someone posted that the amt is standard in Sedona's sold in Canada.
Here's the link for the accessories... enjoy
http://www.kia.ca/english/showroom/sedonaAccessoriesEX.html
Mike
Mike I live north of Boston and we paid $22,100 for a loaded EX ( minus the spoiler, I may order one ). Kia is still offering 0% interest for 36 months. Dealers are dealers.. check out some of the previous posts.. looks like you may do ok here in the Northeast... all invoice pricing is available here on Edmunds .. so it's all up to how generous the dealers want to be... good luck
Regarding the rear heater design, the Koreans love to sit on a heat seat or a heat floor in cold winter, I believed they design the rear heater with the same idea, Mmmmm! we are buying a bit of Korean culture when we buy a Sedona.
Keep up the good feedbacks, may be Kia will listen....
anyway that is my opinion..."for what it's worth"
Now - on to extended warranties. There are two things to remember. First, they don't come in to play until your manufacturer warranty is over - and with the Sedona, that's a long time. Second, the company you buy the extended warranty from has to still be in business lo those many years down the road. And that, my friends, is not guaranteed. Particularly in these troubled economic times.
I have not regretted buying this van for a minute. When I purchased we couldn't get or find leather on the EX, but I have not been unhappy with the cloth. It starts and runs fine here in Minnesota. I am starting to seen more and more on the road.
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