Bluedevils, no disrespect taken and thanks for the advise I NEVER thought to check the tire pressure and sure enough it was high, over 45psi on all 4 tires. I just dropped it down to 35 in all and will see what that does to the ride. I'm sure it will make a difference. A mechanic friend told me today that I could possibly have a wheel or 2 out of balance or possibly a bad tire. He said this is not uncommon in new cars. I will obviously check into both possibilities.
Jster381, please don't take the minor annoyances that I've had the wrong way. We love this car! As a salesman said to me a few weeks ago, "it's the best value he's seen in his 20+ years of selling cars." I know that may sound like sales babble, but when you look at what you get in the Sedona compared to any other new mini van you cannot beat the value! Plus I personally think it is a very "sharp" looking vehicle (if a mini van can look "sharp"). Like yolo posted, it is also nice driving a car that you don't see all over the highways. I bought a VW Golf GTI the first year they came out in '85 and look how that line has taken off! I am confident that my minor annoyances will be resolved. I haven't have the HVAC or door problems that have been mentioned in this forum.
frostbyte1, we also bought our Sedona in Leesburg and paid about $1100 under MSRP, also got a good price on one in Springfield, but liked the color and the sunroof on the one we bought in Leesburg.
I saw my first Sedona in Madison, WI a LX Tan. I double took on it as it passed me in a parking lot. Had to follow him to comfirm. I now know I am no longer a the only one driving one in a town of 350,000 dominated by over educated eccentrics driving Odys and Siennnas!
I am going to get a speeding ticket in this darn van....it's just to much fun to drive...and man does it scream. When you floor it and let her wind out it has a slight pause in between gears, sounds just like you shifted with a manual. wonder why this vehicle does that. Now have 4,000 miles in 6 weeks and mileage is about 24mpg on the hwy on 87 octane.
Hi all , just picked up our new Sedona EX tonight. We got a White one with the platinum cladding and grey leather interior ,all available options except the spoiler, ... its looks awesome. The sound system kicks butt, also enjoying the view from our new moonroof. This van is unbelieveable, I still can believe all of the features it has for the price. We paid $22,100 with 0% interest for 3 years... may start looking at Kia stock consumers are going to take notice of this vehicle and they have a new SUV coming this summer, may trade the other car for one of those... man talk about the "pink cloud". We saved 7000 thousand dollars buy sayin yes to the Kia and adios to the Odyssey.. as Bogie once said "this could be the start of a wonderful friendship"..
Hoyahenry, you were right about the HVAC. Maybe you could get a side job re-writing Kia's owner's manual.:)
It hasn't been to cold here in the burg, but I keep the heat on our feet and run the rear heater and eventually it does warm up and when it does, it gets hot!
I've put 600 miles in a week and a half and am getting 17 miles a gallon. Mostly in town, two long trips of about 150 miles round trip, Interstate. It is a pleasure to drive. So much nicer than the conversion van I had previously.
I do have a sound in the box where the gear shift is. When I took it to the dealer they said it was the mechanism that prevents the shift from engaging until the brake is pushed down and is a noise not to worry about. It sounds when I push down on the brake and get into gear. Brakes are performing fine and the noise is not bothersome but I did want to know what it was.
We saved 7000 thousand dollars buy sayin yes to the Kia and adios to the Odyssey
Is that not the best feeling next to driving the van? (and looking at the moon! Try that in an ody....) So does the price diff include the '$1000 who would leave the Honda dealer without it?' extended warranty and the 'you can't tow without it' $1000 tow package? Just curious.
Annam1: Thanks for the compliment, I think As far as I can tell, the dealer is right on the gear shift interlock noise. I noticed this once and it should only occur if you depress the break pedal with the shift in park. It sounds like loose roll of quarters being shaken.
I still have the intermittent break click, which the dealer could not reproduce and neither could I, consistently anyway. Based upon earlier posts here and the fact that I have my reservations about the post-fix consequences of having the dealer attempt to repair it, I have deferred any further action except to keep an eye on it.
I tell ya I had my heart set on a new Odyssey with leather and the DVD system. It topped out at $30,170 ... yikes !! But what really left a bad taste was how greedy the Honda dealers have gotten. They are adding in things like LoJack and after market DVD systems and still wanted MSRP .. As for extended warranty they wanted another $1300 .. SO lets see $32000 plus $1600 for taxes and 6% interest for 5 years... yikes ..looking more like 38000 for a minivan from our pals at Honda... I revise my figures... make that $16000 dollars saved buying the Kia... think I'll light a cigar !!
Speaking of which, DVD, I am thinking about picking up said unit at Target for $479 for the long trips, airplanes, etc. Mfbono, et al, what are your plans on the rear entertainment issue? I figure an adjustable strap/ velcro on the center console should be adequate to secure it in place.
Not sure what I plan to do yet... may buy a Sony Playstation 2, it also plays DVDs as well as the games , only costs $299. Then look for a 9 inch TV and I've seen those consoles to fit em in...
I have yet to take the Sedona for a test drive. Can any owners comment on the front headroom and legroom in the Sedona? I am over 6'3" and I am having trouble finding a van that I fit in.
cars.com list dealer hold back at about $ 500,no other site lists it. NHSTA crash tests look good, but in my opinion true test is an offset done by IIHS. Many cars score good in NHSTA tests and poor in IIHS tests,just look at Nissan Quest/Mercury Villager twins. Leg room in Sedona for driver is sufficient, unlike in Sienna, there seems to be more both leg room an headroom on the passenger side. Also front seats need more tight support,they just too short for tall drivers. I'm 6'4" and front seats in my Explorer are more comfortable. Sedona will be for my wife,she is average size and absolutely loves the seats. Second and third row seats are the best in class, leg room is plentiful even tall passengers.
Our first tank of gas yielded about 17.5 mpg. This was approximately 30% highway and 70% city driving. This is better than the 15 city / 20 highway EPA ratings would suggest, and things will only get better as the vehicle breaks in.
I saw dealer holdback on at least 2 web sites. I don't remember exactly, but I think intellichoice.com was one of them. As noted previously by someone here and in spite of Edmunds showing no holdback on Kias, it seems to be well-established that Kia does have dealer holdback on Sedona in the amount of 3% of base invoice price. On Sedona EX, this amount is $562.
Most manufacturers' holdback programs are a fixed percentage of either invoice or MSRP; they are not a fixed dollar amount (e.g. $500).
Many of the "problems" with Sedona seem to be things that we consumers don't like, but which were clear design decisions. E.g. I thought our Sedona had rear HVAC problems, but upon learning more about how this system works, it seems that our Sedona's rear HVAC is working as designed.
Many of the problems being reported by owners (e.g. gas pedal is too close) are not actual defects with a specific van. They are things that, for better or worse, were designed that way. These things are still "problems" but they're simply problems of a different nature. A problem with the design bothers me less in the long-term than an actual defect. A thorough consumer can learn about most of the design problems ahead of time; the things that break down over time are the real unknown.
I don't think the number of defects being reported here is very high, even considering this is a first-year model.
Am I still concerned about the long-term reliability of the Sedona? Yes. This is a very important factor in my car-buying decisions. However, I am confident that the Sedona will hold up fairly well, if not better, over the long haul. And the long warranty eased my concerns enough that I was willing to buy a Sedona.
For those interested, I had a dvd system put in our Sedona for $895. It consisted of the new larger 7" flip down screen with dome lights, mobile dvd player mounted under the drivers seat, 3 cordless headphones, fm modulator, game port for PS one, a remote for the screen and one for the dvd including professional install. What's cool about this is that the dvd player can also play mp3's and cds. You can fit hours of mp3 music onto 1 disc and because of the fm modulator, you can play it through the vans speaker system.
Lots of info... THANKS! The Durango has the 4.7 that can be coupled with a new 5 speed transmission. "New" and "Transmission" from DC scares the B-Geesus out of me - good thing they offer that extended power train warranty!
The Sedona is wearing on me. I will NEVER buy a first year vehicle again (last one was a 95 WS - don't get me started), so if I buy one it will be model year 2003. I am a little concerned about the space behind the third seat - we REGULARLY haul five kids and their "stuff" to soccer/hockey/gymnastics/whatever. The bigger issue I have is simply longevity. Sorry Kia posters - history is NOT on your side here. They are, however, offering a very good warranty - which does help.
The Auto Show will be in Minneapolis starting March 9... We will do lots of "crawling" around at that time.
Again, Thanks for your information!
2003 Honda Odyssey EX-LRES - Midnight Blue Pearl 2004 Honda Accord EX-L Graphite Pearl 2007 Honda Civic EX - Atomic Blue 2013 Honda Civic LX - Crimson Pearl
Check with the dealer on the extended engine and tranny warranty because I think there is a deductible. I don't know the amount but could come into play? Seating 5 kids with stuff is quite a task. I don't think the Durango has a split rear bench? The Sedona does and that's what I like about it. You can fold and tumble one seat to expose more cargo space while still being able to seat 5 people. Folding the rear Durango seat leaves less options. It sounds like you almost need a Suburban sized SUV/Tank
Yes, Kia history is not on our side in terms of good chances for long-term reliability. However, Kia and Hyundai seem to be making strides recently in this area, so hopefully Kia reliability in the next few years will bear little resemblance to the past few years.
I'm having a hard time finding a Sedona EX with cloth interior that has ABS . Dealers are telling me that if the vehicle has ABS, it's loaded with all the options. Has anyone else found this to be true?
wholigan-Unless one kid is old enough (>12) for front seat, looks like you are stuck, but if you have that option, leave one seat out. Other options will be 12-16K$ more...Ody van, or new extended GMC Envoy, due to hit dealers lots soon. Both mid 30$ and up. Tough choice to get everything, that is why this discussion board marvels at what you DO get for your money. This is Sedona's first year in America, but not elsewhere. Good luck in making your decision! Tough choices to make. dmslittle- Have only seen one EX with cloth, and it didn't have ABS. Almost all EX's I've seen in VA have everything except spoiler. Personally, I could live without a moonroof, but it appears that to get ABS, I'll get that, homelink,& leather...and still save $.
To: Wholigan**the space between the third row and rear door is barely enough room to change your mind. We cannot fit a stroller in the space. It is quite inconvenient even to fold UP the third row cause it has to be tied up to the second row. In my opinion this is not a no brainer. It is inconvenient. I have found the my Toyota Camry has more storage room but takes less bodies....Whatever...I still love our Sedona To:Dmslittle, it is nearly impossible to combine cloth with other worldly extras on the EX. It seems that the leather is a standard extra? To Bluedevils: Nice to see someone else has noticed the conjoined gas and brake pedal. I did not see other posts regarding this. I have found if I position my right leg differently then I am normally accustomed then the pedal seems farther. I position my leg more to the right and straight on to the pedal....good luck....I am giving free pedal lessons if you are ever in the Chicagoland area. To All: I am still looking for other sliding door problems.. After close inspection the rear sliders are engineered differently. Maybe one of the engineers on this board can give me an analysis of the workings of the door! And for Last: How does one know this difference between a design defect and a defective part of the van? Oh one more thing:::::Have you noticed the paint thinning around the door edges and seams. I have parts that appear to be showing raw metal with some paint overspray? Thanks
Okay. I'm 5'8" on a weak gravity day and good-soled shoes. With the third seat slid fully forward, I can sit comfortably in this rear seat with more head room by the way- I don't know for how long, but it's doable. The knees ride high, but do not touch the middle seat.
With the rear seat in this position, there are 21" of clearance between the door and the seat at the pivot point above the frame and hand hold. There are 16" between the seat frame handle and the rear door - can't change that of course. We have an average size stroller that is 19" wide outside wheel to outside wheel. Folded flat, it fits mostly flat, riding on top of the rear seat frame handle. Also note that the carpet is not the end of the cargo area. 3.5" of plastic are exposed when the rear hatch is closed. Of course, the seats ride at an angle and the door angles up to the top. Essentially there is little space, if any, between the head rest and the rear window in the fully slid back position. I have noticed that the Sienna rear seat and others have a similar looking fit vis-a-vis the rear hatch.
No sliding door issues on our EX. Each side closes with the expected zip and solid thunk sounds in the correct order. No thinning paint is visible around door edges.
Based upon your description, the passenger side door does not close properly. This should be demonstrable by using another vehicle to compare the action and sounds. If so, it is defective and should be covered by the warranty. I would not take the van back to the same dealership. I would call the service manager of another dealer and explain that you are having some problems with a new Sedona and that you would like to make an appointment with him/her personally to go over your list of issues/concerns. Do not provide the list/too much detail in advance if at all possible. They may be able to provide a more objective assessment of what is going on with your vehicle. Take pictures - get out the video camera, etc. Document -get everything in writing from now on.
I'm not overly concerned, but what I've noticed with both rear doors on our Sedona EX is that they require a lot of velocity to close properly. If I slide them at moderate speed, they will frequently not close all the way. I.e. they are latched but a gap remains between the door and the other sheetmetal on the van.
Just providing another "data point" re: the sliding rear door topic...
My experience is that from the outside, pushing the door handle perpendicular to the slide in the last 1 foot of closing helps suck the door into the seals and frame. I'm not going to get out the radar gun, but I'd say the volcity is comfortable. It's rare that we close the doors from the inside. That would probably require a bit more momentum since there is little to hold onto to pull the door in.
Another door data point: Sometimes the passenger side door would not open from the inside (no child lock engaged), but was easily opened from the outside. This happened for a period of time and lately is not happening. Otherwise, no door problems. I do note that doors need more velocity to close properly now than at time of purchase. This is the same with the front doors and rear hatch. Can't tell you how many times the light was on telling of an open hatch when already driving.
BTW, when is the engine considered "loosened up" regarding gas mileage? I have almost 5K on mine and still getting the same gas mileage.
To those who advised me to keep looking,Thanks. My husband made me wait to post again until I cooled off. Here goes ! Long story short; got verbal deal on phone with Mgr. for $500 off LX on Sat.(if salesman said that-which he did, but later would say maybe to Mgr.)I went Mon. to get deal made. Mgr. backed out-only offered $422 off-salesman wimp-left me hung out. I walked. On way out of showroom while telling salesman 'bye' , heard Mgr. LOUDLY dissing me. Don't buy from Courtesey in Moline, Il. Salesman did call that evening to offer original $500,saying he went over Mgr. to owner. ( Don't believe it ) Have also been trying to deal with Matt @ Jim Miller Kia in Cedar Rapids, Ia. Nice young (?) man but did not believe reports of discounts posted here. He does not have LX, so were dealing on EX, no leather or ABS. Won't go enough off for us. No Sedona for us before 0% expires. I think I might give up. Too much stress to get one around here !! Will continue reading to keep up. Thanks to all.
where are you located? Is lower Michigan or the Columbus Ohio area too far? I've had good experience with dealers in those areas over the phone and I got the impression that they were not the type of dealers to renege on statements, back out of deals, etc.
I even had one email offer from a salesman for about $1,500 off MSRP on a loaded EX.
Sliding rear doors hoyahenry, regarding the door handle, are you suggesting to let it "go back in" (quit pulling it out, away from the door) as the door is close to shutting? I guess that would make sense. I'll have to try it out.
Rear hatch Regarding the rear hatch, it's possible on our Sedona to close the hatch but for a little play to be left in the hatch. After shutting the hatch, there's some flex if you pull on the handle. You can tell that it's not quite closed perfectly. Closing it with more force seems to avoid this situation. This is a slightly disappointing sort of thing that, to me, indicates build quality that isn't quite top-notch.
The sliders on our EX work well and with ease. It really takes little effort to close them. The van is parked in the garage on a fairly level surface. I could imagine that if parked on a sloped driveway, the physics would make it feel a little harder to close than before. In comparison, our Grand Caravan doors felt heavier and needed more force to close than the Sedona.
Hi all, I have a question concerning the floor mats in my new (yeah) Sedona. We only received mats for the front and the middle row but nothing for the back row. It this typical? If so does anyone know where to get a good mat that will fit between the back and middle rows? We have the gray interior. Thanks
I am also looking for a EX with ABS and cloth. In CNY, (central NY) they are rare. The only suggestion I can make is to call a dealer and request that they notify you if and when one should arrive. I am postponing my purchase until May, (my husbands lease is up in June). Do not give up yet, it is possible that they could extend the 0% for a few more months. Also, I e-mailed Keystone Dodge in PA regarding the 1% over invoice pricing, of course it does not apply to the Sedona. The best he could offer is $700 off MSRP. (4 hour drive to the dealer)
very interesting read... its no wonder why the Honda dealers refuse to not negotiate off the MSRP
2031 of 2032 tj_610 by jmurman42 Feb 26, 2002 (05:29 pm) thanks for the question. I am the Internet Sales Manager here at my dealership. So, my deals are either a couple of hundred dollars under invoice or MSRP. Accords and Civics keep the numbers up, but Odysseys and S2000's pay the mortgage. It takes about 5-10 Accords or Civics to equate to one EXL/RES. This depends on wether there is any back end money or trades.
mfbono2, I'm not sure what you think is being revealed by the Odyssey post you copied here. The Odyssey has much less competition. People who want the best minivan see very few acceptable alternatives. In contrast, the Accord and Civic, while still great cars, have several alternatives that people are willing to buy. That, and larger sales volume, contribute to lower demand.
My take: Odyssey prices are "high" (in most cases, near or above MSRP) because that is what the market will bear. Honda is not flooding the market with Odysseys. This contributes to the fact that customers are willing to pay full MSRP to get an Odyssey in their driveway.
Odyssey prices are not "high" because of some conspiracy or other unethical business practices at Honda dealers. Granted, it sure seems that most Honda salespeople are pretty rude in their treatment of customers, and that's a bad thing. But "rude" and "unethical" are 2 different things.
Many consumers' total unwillingness to pay MSRP or even above MSRP contributes to Honda salespeople's rude behavior, in my view. The salespeople should still be professional, but it seems that many consumers are getting quite hostile and belligerent with their salespeople-- e.g. "there's no way I'm paying MSRP for this vehicle" or "I can't believe you won't even negotiate below MSRP with me."
People need to understand that MSRP is just an arbitrary number. Typically, it's a much higher number than the average transaction price for a vehicle, or the "market price." However, in many cases the market price is higher than MSRP.
The dealer should not be compelled to sell a vehicle under MSRP just "because." I hold no grudge against any dealer that seeks to sell a new vehicle above MSRP.
I think Honda does now have serious competition with our new Sedona. I was just trying to relate what a dealer comments was concerning their pricing for the Odysseys. I am very content with our purchase of the KIA and will use all of the money we saved for other things. ..peace
Yes, once the door is moving, the handle can be released. And yes, the rear hatch requires some deliberate force to avoid an ajar situation, though that is not unusual in my experience with other vehicles.
I received my quote via e-mail. I informed the dealer that I had no trade in, would not require financing and that I am a serious buyer. What's the deal??? I wonder if my husband made the inquiry would he receive the same offer?????
Just wanted to let you know that you are not alone in your frustration. It's very hard to read about the great deals people on this board have been getting and then be shut out by the dealers in this area. The best offer I have received thus far is $500 off of an EX with an MSRP of $23,335 (can't remember the exact options it had) from Jim Miller in Cedar Rapids.
Supply seems to be pretty low around here. Charles Gabus Kia in Des Moines had a couple of white LXs last time I was there, but I don't know what kind of a deal they are willing to give. We didn't receive good customer service there so we walked. They also had 4 or 5 EXs with only Homelink or the spoiler.
We will be getting our van at Dick Witham Kia in Waterloo. The GM is a personal friend and has agreed to what I believe is a reasonable deal for this area (though it sucks considering that others are getting $1000+ off). He claims (and I don't know whether I believe him) that they haven't as yet sold any of their Sedonas under MSRP. We also have a trade in to consider, and getting a good price for that is important.
Sorry I can't be of any help! Do keep in mind that Kia may be extending the 0% financing (though it only goes up to 36 months right now). We won't be getting ours for at least a month, so I have no idea what the rates will be. Got my fingers crossed!
Good luck searching. Let us know if you find a better deal!
I just purchased a loaded EX from Dorschel Kia in Rochester for $1200 under MRSP. I got an internet quote from Northtown KIA in Amherst and Dorschel matched the price without batting an eyelash.
I got an internet quote from Burdick in North Syracuse but they only offered me $200 under MRSP.
The salesmanager at Dorschel did indicate they are selling most of the Sedona's for MRSP but did not want to lose my business.
If you wait until May you should easily be able to beat this deal.
Thanks for the reply. Jim Miller offers $750 for internet inquiries. Might want to try them again. Waterloo is not all that much farther than Cedar Rapids, but it is hard to make a deal over the phone or e-mail.Shouldn't be, but it is. I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one in Ia wanting a good deal on a vehicle. Still hoping to get it done sooner or later.
Some time ago one of the posters was concerned about the safety rating of the Sedona. I noticed a recent television ad in which they are advertising five star rating now but there was no reference that I saw to whose ratings those are. Does anyone know if that is the result of government tests here in the States?
The crash tests mentioned in that ad are most likely from NHTSA-- the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. In February, NHTSA published results of its tests on the 2002 Sedona. I'm not aware of any other crash test results from other organizations (e.g. Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, IIHS).
I received a very prompt reply to my email from Kia regarding changing my own oil, using synthetic, etc. The gentlemen who responded said that Kia does not recommend using synthetic oil and that having a non-qualified person/shop (i.e. changing it yourself) may void the warranty since Kia would not know for sure if the work was done right.
These were both disappointing answers, especially since his explanation for why Kia does not recommend synthetic wasn't very convincing or logical. Why does Kia, and many other manufacturers, explain how to change the engine oil in the OWNERS MANUAL if they don't actually allow you to do it without voiding your warranty? If this information is not intended as an aid to help owners change their own oil, which seems most logical, then what is it for?
I was also trying to get a feel for which oil weights Kia recommends - I was looking for more specifics than the generic chart in the owners manual based on ambient air temperatues. The gentlemen was of no help there, but he did answer my question about the factory-fill oil weight: it's 5W30.
I'll probably run 10W30 in our Sedona pretty much year-round. That seems appropriate here in Michigan.
I may still change the oil myself, some of the time: since Kia recommends such a long oil change interval, and a doubly long filter change interval, I could change the oil/filter myself halfway between and have the oil/filter changed at a shop or the dealer at the specified interval, and keep the warranty coverage intact.
As long as you keep receipts and mileage there should be no problem. of course it may come into question,but as long as you have proof that should be enough.
I am sure they would recommend a KIA dealer do it as well.
First, for all of the people who take part in this message board, thanks. I found out about the Sedonna last week, and have spent a good deal of time reading all of the posts on this message board. My comments were very helpful in our vehicle search. We purchased a EX last night with all options except for a sunroof (ABS, leather, spoiler, two tone, and Homelink. When you take away tag and title and a vhs video system we added with the dealer, the price comes to $23,519 with zero percent financing. How does that price compare to other deals? Two other points. We found it very difficult to find a variety of EX models without the sunroof here in the Atlanta area. The colors and options of those without the roof were very limited. Second, you simply can't drive an EX with a sunroof if you're over 6 feet. I'm 6'1" and my head almost touch the sunroof, even with the driver's seat lowered all of the way.
I guess the response I got was a pretty typical manufacturer response, but I was still disappointed. If a powertrain problem did arise, my sense is that dealers typically don't even ask for documentation of proper maintenance, although this does happen sometimes.
If the dealer did require documentation of proper service and the customer produced auto parts store receipts for oil and filters and a detailed log of work performed at home, I wonder if that would be enough. It probably depends on the customer, customer/dealer relationship, dealer, and manufacturer.
Technically, in order to refuse warranty coverage the onus is on the manufacturer/dealer to prove that the problem was caused by improper maintenance. Otherwise, it is assumed to be defective parts or workmanship by the manufacturer.
I just bought a portable DVD player (with some of the $$$ I saved buying a Sedona and am thinking of either a: a temporary mount to the back of the front passenger seat or b: to the console between the front seats. With all the 12V adapters in the van I have plenty of options. I do want it far enough away that my 2 1/2 year-old can't reach it. Has anyone done this?? I think it will save the day on the 2 hour+ road trips to visit the inlaws. ($359.00 with 5.8" screen at Amazon if anyone else interested) I'll keep you posted on the progress and how well it works.
If anyone ever has trouble with warranty items I suggest checking into the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. Just the mention of this at any service dept will have them shaking. Consumers have lots of rights with this in all products that cost $25 or more and come with a warranty. One example that I am familiar with is a manufacturer specifying only their brand of "whatever" to maintain their warranty. They can say that but they have to provide the item/items free of charge to the consumer. They can recommend their product but not be limited to their product only, unless of course they provide it free. The manufacturer can't tell oyu where to change your oil and what brand to use unless they pay for it. You sure can change your own oil using any brand that meets specifications and keep the receipt for the oil purchase.
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A mechanic friend told me today that I could possibly have a wheel or 2 out of balance or possibly a bad tire. He said this is not uncommon in new cars. I will obviously check into both possibilities.
Jster381, please don't take the minor annoyances that I've had the wrong way. We love this car! As a salesman said to me a few weeks ago, "it's the best value he's seen in his 20+ years of selling cars." I know that may sound like sales babble, but when you look at what you get in the Sedona compared to any other new mini van you cannot beat the value! Plus I personally think it is a very "sharp" looking vehicle (if a mini van can look "sharp").
Like yolo posted, it is also nice driving a car that you don't see all over the highways. I bought a VW Golf GTI the first year they came out in '85 and look how that line has taken off! I am confident that my minor annoyances will be resolved. I haven't have the HVAC or door problems that have been mentioned in this forum.
frostbyte1, we also bought our Sedona in Leesburg and paid about $1100 under MSRP, also got a good price on one in Springfield, but liked the color and the sunroof on the one we bought in Leesburg.
I am going to get a speeding ticket in this darn van....it's just to much fun to drive...and man does it scream. When you floor it and let her wind out it has a slight pause in between gears, sounds just like you shifted with a manual. wonder why this vehicle does that. Now have 4,000 miles in 6 weeks and mileage is about 24mpg on the hwy on 87 octane.
We got a White one with the platinum cladding and grey leather interior ,all available options except the spoiler, ... its looks awesome. The sound system kicks butt, also enjoying the view from our new moonroof. This van is unbelieveable, I still can believe all of the features it has for the price. We paid $22,100 with 0% interest for 3 years... may start looking at Kia stock consumers are going to take notice of this vehicle and they have a new SUV coming this summer, may trade the other car for one of those... man talk about the "pink cloud".
We saved 7000 thousand dollars buy sayin yes to the Kia and adios to the Odyssey.. as Bogie once said "this could be the start of a wonderful friendship"..
It hasn't been to cold here in the burg, but I keep the heat on our feet and run the rear heater and eventually it does warm up and when it does, it gets hot!
I've put 600 miles in a week and a half and am getting 17 miles a gallon. Mostly in town, two long trips of about 150 miles round trip, Interstate. It is a pleasure to drive. So much nicer than the conversion van I had previously.
I do have a sound in the box where the gear shift is. When I took it to the dealer they said it was the mechanism that prevents the shift from engaging until the brake is pushed down and is a noise not to worry about. It sounds when I push down on the brake and get into gear. Brakes are performing fine and the noise is not bothersome but I did want to know what it was.
Is that not the best feeling next to driving the van? (and looking at the moon! Try that in an ody....) So does the price diff include the '$1000 who would leave the Honda dealer without it?' extended warranty and the 'you can't tow without it' $1000 tow package? Just curious.
Annam1: Thanks for the compliment, I think
I still have the intermittent break click, which the dealer could not reproduce and neither could I, consistently anyway. Based upon earlier posts here and the fact that I have my reservations about the post-fix consequences of having the dealer attempt to repair it, I have deferred any further action except to keep an eye on it.
As for extended warranty they wanted another $1300 .. SO lets see $32000 plus $1600 for taxes and 6% interest for 5 years... yikes ..looking more like 38000 for a minivan from our pals at Honda... I revise my figures... make that $16000 dollars saved buying the Kia... think I'll light a cigar !!
http://www.portabledvdstore.com/sustheatsys.html
Not sure what I plan to do yet... may buy a Sony Playstation 2, it also plays DVDs as well as the games , only costs $299. Then look for a 9 inch TV and I've seen those consoles to fit em in...
Then just buy converters for the power feeds.
Can buy more cigars with the change..LOL
Most manufacturers' holdback programs are a fixed percentage of either invoice or MSRP; they are not a fixed dollar amount (e.g. $500).
Many of the problems being reported by owners (e.g. gas pedal is too close) are not actual defects with a specific van. They are things that, for better or worse, were designed that way. These things are still "problems" but they're simply problems of a different nature. A problem with the design bothers me less in the long-term than an actual defect. A thorough consumer can learn about most of the design problems ahead of time; the things that break down over time are the real unknown.
I don't think the number of defects being reported here is very high, even considering this is a first-year model.
Am I still concerned about the long-term reliability of the Sedona? Yes. This is a very important factor in my car-buying decisions. However, I am confident that the Sedona will hold up fairly well, if not better, over the long haul. And the long warranty eased my concerns enough that I was willing to buy a Sedona.
The Sedona is wearing on me. I will NEVER buy a first year vehicle again (last one was a 95 WS - don't get me started), so if I buy one it will be model year 2003. I am a little concerned about the space behind the third seat - we REGULARLY haul five kids and their "stuff" to soccer/hockey/gymnastics/whatever. The bigger issue I have is simply longevity. Sorry Kia posters - history is NOT on your side here. They are, however, offering a very good warranty - which does help.
The Auto Show will be in Minneapolis starting March 9... We will do lots of "crawling" around at that time.
Again, Thanks for your information!
2004 Honda Accord EX-L Graphite Pearl
2007 Honda Civic EX - Atomic Blue
2013 Honda Civic LX - Crimson Pearl
dmslittle-
Have only seen one EX with cloth, and it didn't have ABS. Almost all EX's I've seen in VA have everything except spoiler. Personally, I could live without a moonroof, but it appears that to get ABS, I'll get that, homelink,& leather...and still save $.
To:Dmslittle, it is nearly impossible to combine cloth with other worldly extras on the EX. It seems that the leather is a standard extra?
To Bluedevils: Nice to see someone else has noticed the conjoined gas and brake pedal. I did not see other posts regarding this. I have found if I position my right leg differently then I am normally accustomed then the pedal seems farther. I position my leg more to the right and straight on to the pedal....good luck....I am giving free pedal lessons if you are ever in the Chicagoland area.
To All: I am still looking for other sliding door problems.. After close inspection the rear sliders are engineered differently. Maybe one of the engineers on this board can give me an analysis of the workings of the door!
And for Last: How does one know this difference between a design defect and a defective part of the van?
Oh one more thing:::::Have you noticed the paint thinning around the door edges and seams. I have parts that appear to be showing raw metal with some paint overspray?
Thanks
With the rear seat in this position, there are 21" of clearance between the door and the seat at the pivot point above the frame and hand hold. There are 16" between the seat frame handle and the rear door - can't change that of course. We have an average size stroller that is 19" wide outside wheel to outside wheel. Folded flat, it fits mostly flat, riding on top of the rear seat frame handle. Also note that the carpet is not the end of the cargo area. 3.5" of plastic are exposed when the rear hatch is closed. Of course, the seats ride at an angle and the door angles up to the top. Essentially there is little space, if any, between the head rest and the rear window in the fully slid back position. I have noticed that the Sienna rear seat and others have a similar looking fit vis-a-vis the rear hatch.
No sliding door issues on our EX. Each side closes with the expected zip and solid thunk sounds in the correct order. No thinning paint is visible around door edges.
Based upon your description, the passenger side door does not close properly. This should be demonstrable by using another vehicle to compare the action and sounds. If so, it is defective and should be covered by the warranty. I would not take the van back to the same dealership. I would call the service manager of another dealer and explain that you are having some problems with a new Sedona and that you would like to make an appointment with him/her personally to go over your list of issues/concerns. Do not provide the list/too much detail in advance if at all possible. They may be able to provide a more objective assessment of what is going on with your vehicle. Take pictures - get out the video camera, etc. Document -get everything in writing from now on.
Just providing another "data point" re: the sliding rear door topic...
BTW, when is the engine considered "loosened up" regarding gas mileage? I have almost 5K on mine and still getting the same gas mileage.
Here goes ! Long story short; got verbal deal on phone with Mgr. for $500 off LX on Sat.(if salesman said that-which he did, but later would say maybe to Mgr.)I went Mon. to get deal made. Mgr. backed out-only offered $422 off-salesman wimp-left me hung out. I walked. On way out of showroom while telling salesman 'bye' , heard Mgr. LOUDLY dissing me. Don't buy from Courtesey in Moline, Il. Salesman did call that evening to offer original $500,saying he went over Mgr. to owner. ( Don't believe it )
Have also been trying to deal with Matt @ Jim Miller Kia in Cedar Rapids, Ia. Nice young (?) man
but did not believe reports of discounts posted here. He does not have LX, so were dealing on EX, no leather or ABS. Won't go enough off for us. No Sedona for us before 0% expires. I think I might give up. Too much stress to get one around here !!
Will continue reading to keep up. Thanks to all.
I even had one email offer from a salesman for about $1,500 off MSRP on a loaded EX.
hoyahenry, regarding the door handle, are you suggesting to let it "go back in" (quit pulling it out, away from the door) as the door is close to shutting? I guess that would make sense. I'll have to try it out.
Rear hatch
Regarding the rear hatch, it's possible on our Sedona to close the hatch but for a little play to be left in the hatch. After shutting the hatch, there's some flex if you pull on the handle. You can tell that it's not quite closed perfectly. Closing it with more force seems to avoid this situation. This is a slightly disappointing sort of thing that, to me, indicates build quality that isn't quite top-notch.
I have a question concerning the floor mats in my new (yeah) Sedona. We only received mats for the front and the middle row but nothing for the back row. It this typical? If so does anyone know where to get a good mat that will fit between the back and middle rows? We have the gray interior.
Thanks
In CNY, (central NY) they are rare. The only suggestion I can make is to call a dealer and request that they notify you if and when one should arrive. I am postponing my purchase until May, (my husbands lease is up in June). Do not give up yet, it is possible that they could extend the 0% for a few more months. Also, I e-mailed Keystone Dodge in PA regarding the 1% over invoice pricing, of course it does not apply to the Sedona. The best he could offer is $700 off MSRP. (4 hour drive to the dealer)
2031 of 2032 tj_610 by jmurman42 Feb 26, 2002 (05:29 pm)
thanks for the question. I am the Internet Sales Manager here at my dealership. So, my deals are either a couple of hundred dollars under invoice or MSRP. Accords and Civics keep the numbers up, but Odysseys and S2000's pay the mortgage. It takes about 5-10 Accords or Civics to equate to one EXL/RES. This depends on wether there is any back end money or trades.
Does this answer your question?
Jerry
My take: Odyssey prices are "high" (in most cases, near or above MSRP) because that is what the market will bear. Honda is not flooding the market with Odysseys. This contributes to the fact that customers are willing to pay full MSRP to get an Odyssey in their driveway.
Odyssey prices are not "high" because of some conspiracy or other unethical business practices at Honda dealers. Granted, it sure seems that most Honda salespeople are pretty rude in their treatment of customers, and that's a bad thing. But "rude" and "unethical" are 2 different things.
Many consumers' total unwillingness to pay MSRP or even above MSRP contributes to Honda salespeople's rude behavior, in my view. The salespeople should still be professional, but it seems that many consumers are getting quite hostile and belligerent with their salespeople-- e.g. "there's no way I'm paying MSRP for this vehicle" or "I can't believe you won't even negotiate below MSRP with me."
People need to understand that MSRP is just an arbitrary number. Typically, it's a much higher number than the average transaction price for a vehicle, or the "market price." However, in many cases the market price is higher than MSRP.
The dealer should not be compelled to sell a vehicle under MSRP just "because." I hold no grudge against any dealer that seeks to sell a new vehicle above MSRP.
..peace
Supply seems to be pretty low around here. Charles Gabus Kia in Des Moines had a couple of white LXs last time I was there, but I don't know what kind of a deal they are willing to give. We didn't receive good customer service there so we walked. They also had 4 or 5 EXs with only Homelink or the spoiler.
We will be getting our van at Dick Witham Kia in Waterloo. The GM is a personal friend and has agreed to what I believe is a reasonable deal for this area (though it sucks considering that others are getting $1000+ off). He claims (and I don't know whether I believe him) that they haven't as yet sold any of their Sedonas under MSRP. We also have a trade in to consider, and getting a good price for that is important.
Sorry I can't be of any help! Do keep in mind that Kia may be extending the 0% financing (though it only goes up to 36 months right now). We won't be getting ours for at least a month, so I have no idea what the rates will be. Got my fingers crossed!
Good luck searching. Let us know if you find a better deal!
A.H.
I got an internet quote from Burdick in North Syracuse but they only offered me $200 under MRSP.
The salesmanager at Dorschel did indicate they are selling most of the Sedona's for MRSP but did not want to lose my business.
If you wait until May you should easily be able to beat this deal.
I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one in Ia wanting a good deal on a vehicle.
Still hoping to get it done sooner or later.
J.S.
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/NCAP/Cars/2002Vans.html
These were both disappointing answers, especially since his explanation for why Kia does not recommend synthetic wasn't very convincing or logical. Why does Kia, and many other manufacturers, explain how to change the engine oil in the OWNERS MANUAL if they don't actually allow you to do it without voiding your warranty? If this information is not intended as an aid to help owners change their own oil, which seems most logical, then what is it for?
I was also trying to get a feel for which oil weights Kia recommends - I was looking for more specifics than the generic chart in the owners manual based on ambient air temperatues. The gentlemen was of no help there, but he did answer my question about the factory-fill oil weight: it's 5W30.
I'll probably run 10W30 in our Sedona pretty much year-round. That seems appropriate here in Michigan.
I may still change the oil myself, some of the time: since Kia recommends such a long oil change interval, and a doubly long filter change interval, I could change the oil/filter myself halfway between and have the oil/filter changed at a shop or the dealer at the specified interval, and keep the warranty coverage intact.
I am sure they would recommend a KIA dealer do it as well.
We purchased a EX last night with all options except for a sunroof (ABS, leather, spoiler, two tone, and Homelink. When you take away tag and title and a vhs video system we added with the dealer, the price comes to $23,519 with zero percent financing. How does that price compare to other deals?
Two other points. We found it very difficult to find a variety of EX models without the sunroof here in the Atlanta area. The colors and options of those without the roof were very limited. Second, you simply can't drive an EX with a sunroof if you're over 6 feet. I'm 6'1" and my head almost touch the sunroof, even with the driver's seat lowered all of the way.
If the dealer did require documentation of proper service and the customer produced auto parts store receipts for oil and filters and a detailed log of work performed at home, I wonder if that would be enough. It probably depends on the customer, customer/dealer relationship, dealer, and manufacturer.
Technically, in order to refuse warranty coverage the onus is on the manufacturer/dealer to prove that the problem was caused by improper maintenance. Otherwise, it is assumed to be defective parts or workmanship by the manufacturer.