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driver100

venture said:

Finally caught up. Baseball field grounds keeping keeps me busy during the summer...

Stopped at my local Honda dealer to look at the Civic Hatchback Sport Touring. I commented to the greenpea that my wife will have to look at it since it is smaller than my Fusion. He said, "It isn't much smaller."

We got around to engine power and I commented that I wasn't extremely happy that it only has 180 HP. He said, "That's enough. It's a small car."

That made my brain hurt a little so I left.

Where's snakeweasel?

Then when it comes down to working out the price:
Salesman: With DOC fees, transportation, etching, mop n glo, custom painting it comes to $X's.
Venture: That sounds like more than I wanted to pay.
Salesman: But only by a little bit.

(I am getting like JMonroe....writing plays now)

driver100

iluvmysephia1 said:

Wow, venture. All of us Edmunds regulars will spend hours of our time catching up on posts after life happens to us. Interesting thing about how we think - we must think we're gonna miss something. Or something.

Right now, at 3:55AM, it is thunder and lightening and raining several species of cats and dogs. There is is a flash flood warning until 8:30AM in Jackson County. When we look out our living room windows at the street we live on the water is rushing down the street hard. 

A large local hospital had me in for a job interview yesterday in a KC burb on the Kansas side of KC. I would love to work in this hospital's Sleep Lab. Boss is nice and needs PRN help now, but it could turn into a full time opportunity. She's planning for growth in the department.

Hope the rain stops soon for you.......not good when your street turns into a river!
Good luck with that position near KC....it sounds like it would be a good position with good experience.

Michaell

driver100 said:

iluvmysephia1 said:

Wow, venture. All of us Edmunds regulars will spend hours of our time catching up on posts after life happens to us. Interesting thing about how we think - we must think we're gonna miss something. Or something.

Right now, at 3:55AM, it is thunder and lightening and raining several species of cats and dogs. There is is a flash flood warning until 8:30AM in Jackson County. When we look out our living room windows at the street we live on the water is rushing down the street hard. 

A large local hospital had me in for a job interview yesterday in a KC burb on the Kansas side of KC. I would love to work in this hospital's Sleep Lab. Boss is nice and needs PRN help now, but it could turn into a full time opportunity. She's planning for growth in the department.

Hope the rain stops soon for you.......not good when your street turns into a river!
Good luck with that position near KC....it sounds like it would be a good position with good experience.

We had a flash flood warning last night, as well.

2.5" of rain fell in about 40 minutes 8-10 miles south of us.

stickguy

Civic room wise is not much smaller. Weight wise it's much lighter though. Quite zippy with that much HP

oldfarmer50

qbrozen said:

oldfarmer50 said:

qbrozen said:

oldfarmer50 said:

ab348 said:

Had the ATS in for its regular service today, no issues but one niggle. The Cadillac service plan is a good one, you don't pay for most things for the first 4 years and you get loaner/rental car transportation if you want. I always go for that just for the experience of driving different vehicles for a day in return for a few bucks worth of gas. Today I got a new GMC Acadia, which I ended up liking except for the size and posted about in the Rental Car Experience forum.

They called this afternoon to say it was ready and when I picked it up the service writer said that even though my OE wiper blades were good, they replaced them with new blades. When the nicely detailed ATS was brought around, I saw it had those clunky universal-fit AC-Delco blades mounted, which I hate compared to the nicely integrated OE blades made by Denso that came on it. Fortunately they put those in the trunk so I can swap them back on. I think this is a case of them knowing Cadillac would pay for replacement blades so they did it without any real need.

The only other bad thing was that when I was leaving, the sales guy who tried to pull the fast one with recording a sale to me of a new ATS saw my driving away, which probably means another annoying call tomorrow.

Don't feel bad. I just picked up my son's Sable at my trusted indie shop after an oil change and found out it needed ball joints. Luckily on that car it's under $400. Bad news the alignment was so screwed that he needs new tires.

Any idea how ball joints go bad in 57k miles?

I now have visions of the 91 yo lady previous owner driving to church on the rail road tracks.

Remind me the year of the Sable?

2005. Parts are cheap. 25 bucks each online but I'm told the book says it's a 3 hour job.

Shifty beat me to it. 12 yrs, while not terribly old, is enough.

Thanks to both of you for that perspective. I half convinced myself that the little old lady was sitting there laughing and turning back milage on cars like an old episode of Andy Griffith.

houdini1

A little automotive trivia I didn't know. When Ford made their first pick-up truck, the trucks were shipped to the dealer in crates and the buyers had to do the final assembly. They used the lumber from the crates to build the pick-up bed.

The buyers had to pick up the crated trucks from the dealer, thus "Pick-Ups".

houdini1

Hyundai, Genesis is not alone in big first year depreciation. The one year old 2016 Lexus LS 460 (12,750 miles) I just bought had an original MSRP of $82,300. I paid $57,500. Usually, the higher the orig. price, the more the depreciation. Trade in on my 2010 LS was $22,000. , which I think was fair. The dealer listed my 2010 for $26,200. and it sold in about a week. I don't know the actual selling price.

houdini1

We also had about 5 in. of rain over night. The usual low places around creeks in the K.C. area flooded. Why people continue to live and do business in those areas is a mystery to me.

28firefighter

tifighter said:

28firefighter said:

Ah yes - the Porsche comment. She was serious. After all of the hospital bills are paid and things quiet back down, I am allowed to buy a Porsche. We have not discussed parameters, but I imagine it will be an older used variety. I also expect it will require me to flip the GTI into a 4-door practical something or other.

@tifighter has me thinking heavily about a Porsche 996...

Uh oh. I don't know if I can take the pressure of introducing someone to 996 roulette. Besides myself, of course.

Looks like the one I was considering sold. I'm disappointed and relieved at the same time.

I've wanted a Porsche since I was a little kid - specifically of that generation (before I knew what a 996 really was). Buying any older used Porsche is going to be a gamble, and it seems like the 996 maybe allows me to slightly stack the odds in my favor vs. say, a Boxster.

Certainly do not want to buy one new.

venture

stickguy said:

Civic room wise is not much smaller. Weight wise it's much lighter though. Quite zippy with that much HP

Unless I'm looking in the wrong places, my Fusion's 0-60 is 7 seconds. The Civic is 7.8. Neither one will set any land speed records. The Civic is smaller in every respect - which is what I'm looking for, but you know who has to be satisfied too.

Mr_Shiftright

28firefighter said:

tifighter said:

28firefighter said:

Ah yes - the Porsche comment. She was serious. After all of the hospital bills are paid and things quiet back down, I am allowed to buy a Porsche. We have not discussed parameters, but I imagine it will be an older used variety. I also expect it will require me to flip the GTI into a 4-door practical something or other.

@tifighter has me thinking heavily about a Porsche 996...

Uh oh. I don't know if I can take the pressure of introducing someone to 996 roulette. Besides myself, of course.

Looks like the one I was considering sold. I'm disappointed and relieved at the same time.

I've wanted a Porsche since I was a little kid - specifically of that generation (before I knew what a 996 really was). Buying any older used Porsche is going to be a gamble, and it seems like the 996 maybe allows me to slightly stack the odds in my favor vs. say, a Boxster.

Certainly do not want to buy one new.

Let us know. We can guide you through the perils of a 996 purchase, but you have to listen to what we tell you!

28firefighter

Mr_Shiftright said:

28firefighter said:

tifighter said:

28firefighter said:

Ah yes - the Porsche comment. She was serious. After all of the hospital bills are paid and things quiet back down, I am allowed to buy a Porsche. We have not discussed parameters, but I imagine it will be an older used variety. I also expect it will require me to flip the GTI into a 4-door practical something or other.

@tifighter has me thinking heavily about a Porsche 996...

Uh oh. I don't know if I can take the pressure of introducing someone to 996 roulette. Besides myself, of course.

Looks like the one I was considering sold. I'm disappointed and relieved at the same time.

I've wanted a Porsche since I was a little kid - specifically of that generation (before I knew what a 996 really was). Buying any older used Porsche is going to be a gamble, and it seems like the 996 maybe allows me to slightly stack the odds in my favor vs. say, a Boxster.

Certainly do not want to buy one new.

Let us know. We can guide you through the perils of a 996 purchase, but you have to listen to what we tell you!

Well - am I insane for considering this? Is there a better generation of used Porsche to consider?

My Dad has a 1992 968 Turbo that he loves - but it has not exactly been the poster child of reliability. I'm also not as partial to that generation of Porsche.

oldfarmer50

venture said:

stickguy said:

Civic room wise is not much smaller. Weight wise it's much lighter though. Quite zippy with that much HP

Unless I'm looking in the wrong places, my Fusion's 0-60 is 7 seconds. The Civic is 7.8. Neither one will set any land speed records. The Civic is smaller in every respect - which is what I'm looking for, but you know who has to be satisfied too.

Not too many years ago 7 seconds would smoke most other cars. How times change...for the better.

Mr_Shiftright

28firefighter said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

28firefighter said:

tifighter said:

28firefighter said:

Ah yes - the Porsche comment. She was serious. After all of the hospital bills are paid and things quiet back down, I am allowed to buy a Porsche. We have not discussed parameters, but I imagine it will be an older used variety. I also expect it will require me to flip the GTI into a 4-door practical something or other.

@tifighter has me thinking heavily about a Porsche 996...

Uh oh. I don't know if I can take the pressure of introducing someone to 996 roulette. Besides myself, of course.

Looks like the one I was considering sold. I'm disappointed and relieved at the same time.

I've wanted a Porsche since I was a little kid - specifically of that generation (before I knew what a 996 really was). Buying any older used Porsche is going to be a gamble, and it seems like the 996 maybe allows me to slightly stack the odds in my favor vs. say, a Boxster.

Certainly do not want to buy one new.

Let us know. We can guide you through the perils of a 996 purchase, but you have to listen to what we tell you!

Well - am I insane for considering this? Is there a better generation of used Porsche to consider?

My Dad has a 1992 968 Turbo that he loves - but it has not exactly been the poster child of reliability. I'm also not as partial to that generation of Porsche.

No, not insane but you have to be extremely careful. It's a big roll of the dice with a 996, so you have to do everything you can beforehand to increase your odds. Now, if you could afford a 997, all the better.

To give you an idea, when Porsche went racing during the 996 years, they took a 993 engine block and water-cooled IT instead.

28firefighter

Mr_Shiftright said:

28firefighter said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

28firefighter said:

tifighter said:

28firefighter said:

Ah yes - the Porsche comment. She was serious. After all of the hospital bills are paid and things quiet back down, I am allowed to buy a Porsche. We have not discussed parameters, but I imagine it will be an older used variety. I also expect it will require me to flip the GTI into a 4-door practical something or other.

@tifighter has me thinking heavily about a Porsche 996...

Uh oh. I don't know if I can take the pressure of introducing someone to 996 roulette. Besides myself, of course.

Looks like the one I was considering sold. I'm disappointed and relieved at the same time.

I've wanted a Porsche since I was a little kid - specifically of that generation (before I knew what a 996 really was). Buying any older used Porsche is going to be a gamble, and it seems like the 996 maybe allows me to slightly stack the odds in my favor vs. say, a Boxster.

Certainly do not want to buy one new.

Let us know. We can guide you through the perils of a 996 purchase, but you have to listen to what we tell you!

Well - am I insane for considering this? Is there a better generation of used Porsche to consider?

My Dad has a 1992 968 Turbo that he loves - but it has not exactly been the poster child of reliability. I'm also not as partial to that generation of Porsche.

No, not insane but you have to be extremely careful. It's a big roll of the dice with a 996, so you have to do everything you can beforehand to increase your odds. Now, if you could afford a 997, all the better.

To give you an idea, when Porsche went racing during the 996 years, they took a 993 engine block and water-cooled IT instead.

The 997 basically is MY 2005 - MY 2012, right? Let me see what those are running. I'm willing to pay a bit more if it makes sense to get a 997.

qbrozen

28firefighter said:

The 997 basically is MY 2005 - MY 2012, right? Let me see what those are running. I'm willing to pay a bit more if it makes sense to get a 997.

From what I've read, '06 got the updated IMS.

28firefighter

Looks like the values hold accordingly. A 2006 997 Carrera is likely going to run in the mid 40s, at least up here in the PNW. An 02-04 996 is in the upper teens/low-20s.

fintail

Rain, what's that? We had some drizzle here this morning for the first time in weeks, but no measurable rain at last check. I think Seatac is at about 40 dry days now.

Which Porsche would I want, fun thought. 928 GTS, 80s era 911 Cabrio with whale tail, maybe a factory slantnose - I think the 80s were a good time for the high line models. For a modern, the 997 seems to have depreciated into realistic territory, and I like it more than the fried eggs look.

qbrozen

Personally, if I really had the unshakeable urge, I'd buy one and immediately replace the bearing with the aftermarket upgraded one. But I realize not everyone can do that.

qbrozen

looks like a 2006 2wd 911 coupe with 50k-60k should run right about $30k retail. Same vintage Boxster S is more like $20k. $23k-$25k if you want low miles.

28firefighter

qbrozen said:

looks like a 2006 2wd 911 coupe with 50k-60k should run right about $30k retail. Same vintage Boxster S is more like $20k. $23k-$25k if you want low miles.

Lots to think about and tons of research to do before I jump in to this, especially because I cannot wrench it myself.

jmonroe

venture said:

stickguy said:

Civic room wise is not much smaller. Weight wise it's much lighter though. Quite zippy with that much HP

Unless I'm looking in the wrong places, my Fusion's 0-60 is 7 seconds. The Civic is 7.8. Neither one will set any land speed records. The Civic is smaller in every respect - which is what I'm looking for, but you know who has to be satisfied too.

Well, if you can give us a hint we should be able to help. But if it is who I think it is, we have a resident expert in here that can get you through this. However, like Shifty said about trying to help a poster buddy with a Porsche purchase, 'you can lead a horse to water but you...'.

We're here for you.

jmonroe

jmonroe

28firefighter said:

qbrozen said:

looks like a 2006 2wd 911 coupe with 50k-60k should run right about $30k retail. Same vintage Boxster S is more like $20k. $23k-$25k if you want low miles.

Lots to think about and tons of research to do before I jump in to this, especially because I cannot wrench it myself.

Wrenching can be learned but I wouldn't want to start the learning process on a Porsche.

jmonroe

Mr_Shiftright

qbrozen said:

28firefighter said:

The 997 basically is MY 2005 - MY 2012, right? Let me see what those are running. I'm willing to pay a bit more if it makes sense to get a 997.

From what I've read, '06 got the updated IMS.

Yes, 997 is 2005-2012. However, you are at risk until model year 2009 with the 9A1 engine, which has direct injection and no IMS bearing. If you are running the older M97 engine, you can still look forward to the possibility of a $22,000 repair bill.

Either---don't buy a 996, or plan to spend an additional $4000 to upgrade the IMS, but only after you have had your PPI done in the first place.

Or buy a 997 from 2009 on up, which is a better car is just about every way.

qbrozen

Mr_Shiftright said:

The 997 basically is MY 2005 - MY 2012, right? Let me see what those are running. I'm willing to pay a bit more if it makes sense to get a 997.

From what I've read, '06 got the updated IMS.

Yes, 997 is 2005-2012.

But folks are saying the '05 still had the bad design.

jmonroe

@houdini1 said in part:

...Hyundai, Genesis is not alone in big first year depreciation. The one year old 2016 Lexus LS 460 (12,750 miles) I just bought had an original MSRP of $82,300. I paid $57,500. Usually, the higher the orig. price, the more the depreciation...

I agree with you but you'll play hell trying to convince one of our poster buddies of that.

jmonroe

28firefighter

This is all super helpful information, guys.

It seems like the safest bet is to get something 09 and newer (Boxster, Cayman, 911), with the next safest being 2006-2008 which still has the IMS but a beefier one.

I suppose the actual safest bet is not buying a used Porsche...but where is the fun in that.

jmonroe

28firefighter said:

This is all super helpful information, guys.

It seems like the safest bet is to get something 09 and newer (Boxster, Cayman, 911), with the next safest being 2006-2008 which still has the IMS but a beefier one.

I suppose the actual safest bet is not buying a used Porsche...but where is the fun in that.

I didn't think that was an option.

It is starting to look like that high fever has affected your determination. Any real car guy that has been given the go ahead for a Porsche purchase wouldn't be thinking about back-peddling.

You need a checkup, fast.

jmonroe

fintail

The bigger they are, the harder they fall. Percentage of transaction price (not so much MSRP, nobody pays sticker for high end cars) is interesting too.

houdini1 said:

Hyundai, Genesis is not alone in big first year depreciation. The one year old 2016 Lexus LS 460 (12,750 miles) I just bought had an original MSRP of $82,300. I paid $57,500. Usually, the higher the orig. price, the more the depreciation. Trade in on my 2010 LS was $22,000. , which I think was fair. The dealer listed my 2010 for $26,200. and it sold in about a week. I don't know the actual selling price.

Mr_Shiftright

jmonroe said:

28firefighter said:

This is all super helpful information, guys.

It seems like the safest bet is to get something 09 and newer (Boxster, Cayman, 911), with the next safest being 2006-2008 which still has the IMS but a beefier one.

I suppose the actual safest bet is not buying a used Porsche...but where is the fun in that.

I didn't think that was an option.

It is starting to look like that high fever has affected your determination. Any real car guy that has been given the go ahead for a Porsche purchase wouldn't be thinking about back-peddling.

You need a checkup, fast.

jmonroe

Well think of it as a revolver with ten chambers and one bullet. Care to go for a spin?

ab348

No wonder the doctors had a hard time pinning down what was wrong with him - he had a severe case of Porsche fever!

28firefighter

The problem with no longer suffering from fevers north of 104 and low oxygenation is that my logic and reason have returned to normal.

Not that it'll stop me, I'll just research this to death first.

oldfarmer50

qbrozen said:

looks like a 2006 2wd 911 coupe with 50k-60k should run right about $30k retail. Same vintage Boxster S is more like $20k. $23k-$25k if you want low miles.

Know nothing about those cars but this one looked nice.

http://www.listingallcars.com/details/2006-Porsche-911-Used/2533907985806487439

houdini1

fintail said:

The bigger they are, the harder they fall. Percentage of transaction price (not so much MSRP, nobody pays sticker for high end cars) is interesting too.

houdini1 said:

Hyundai, Genesis is not alone in big first year depreciation. The one year old 2016 Lexus LS 460 (12,750 miles) I just bought had an original MSRP of $82,300. I paid $57,500. Usually, the higher the orig. price, the more the depreciation. Trade in on my 2010 LS was $22,000. , which I think was fair. The dealer listed my 2010 for $26,200. and it sold in about a week. I don't know the actual selling price.

I absolutely agree about the transaction price, but all depreciation is based on msrp. It's all they have to go on, and it can be very misleading. The transaction price on an $80,000. car is probably $7 to $10,000. less depending on what time of year it was purchased.

oldfarmer50

houdini1 said:

fintail said:

The bigger they are, the harder they fall. Percentage of transaction price (not so much MSRP, nobody pays sticker for high end cars) is interesting too.

houdini1 said:

Hyundai, Genesis is not alone in big first year depreciation. The one year old 2016 Lexus LS 460 (12,750 miles) I just bought had an original MSRP of $82,300. I paid $57,500. Usually, the higher the orig. price, the more the depreciation. Trade in on my 2010 LS was $22,000. , which I think was fair. The dealer listed my 2010 for $26,200. and it sold in about a week. I don't know the actual selling price.

I absolutely agree about the transaction price, but all depreciation is based on msrp. It's all they have to go on, and it can be very misleading. The transaction price on an $80,000. car is probably $7 to $10,000. less depending on what time of year it was purchased.

That list had the CTS going for $27k after 3 years. Here's what you get near me for that.

http://www.listingallcars.com/details/2014-Cadillac-CTS-Used/-840050044934941863

Not a big fan of modern Caddy style or reliability but that's not bad.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50 said:

qbrozen said:

looks like a 2006 2wd 911 coupe with 50k-60k should run right about $30k retail. Same vintage Boxster S is more like $20k. $23k-$25k if you want low miles.

Know nothing about those cars but this one looked nice.

http://www.listingallcars.com/details/2006-Porsche-911-Used/2533907985806487439

Thanks for trying to help out our poster buddy with that link.

I decided I'd like to help out a little too. So I just filled out some pertinent info so that Park Place Limited could get in contact with @28firefighter right here on Edmunds at this site. None of us would want his heart broken due to someone else getting to it first, what with him being laid up and all.

This may be the first time we can watch a poster buddy do some negotiating in here. If we see that he's going to become a "baby seal" we'll step in and bail him out.

I didn't see anything in the Edmunds bylaws that said this was illegal so I took matters into my own hands. I guess it is up to that dealer to start things off. I hope they don't do a typical, "come on in and we'll talk about it" thingy.

That would just ruin our efforts. :@

jmonroe

28firefighter

@jmonroe you crack me up.

I have actually been meaning to visit that dealer in general because they seem to have a lot of interesting inventory. Unfortunately I ended up with a bit of a detour on my hands.

fintail

My bad, I thought the context was raw dollars.

I think some of the worst will be senior M and AMG cars, especially once they are two generations old.

houdini1 said:

I absolutely agree about the transaction price, but all depreciation is based on msrp. It's all they have to go on, and it can be very misleading. The transaction price on an $80,000. car is probably $7 to $10,000. less depending on what time of year it was purchased.

qbrozen

ab348 said:

No wonder the doctors had a hard time pinning down what was wrong with him - he had a severe case of Porsche fever!

Is that an evolution of PacMan fever?

qbrozen

oldfarmer50 said:

looks like a 2006 2wd 911 coupe with 50k-60k should run right about $30k retail. Same vintage Boxster S is more like $20k. $23k-$25k if you want low miles.

Know nothing about those cars but this one looked nice. http://www.listingallcars.com/details/2006-Porsche-911-Used/2533907985806487439

Wow. 3 owners in just 20k miles. Makes me wonder if the car is really that awful to drive.

qbrozen

I am digging this one:
http://www.sscars.net/2002_Porsche_Boxster_Bensalem_PA_269108397.veh

This still has some good life left in it. Has an accident in its past but I can't see details:
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/697216826/overview/

qbrozen

Low mileage '06 automatic Boxster:
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/704428460/overview?aff=share_other

tbirdmarco

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4ythSPwZjiI

tbirdmarco

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hI9GFGS7oFw

andres3

oldfarmer50 said:

houdini1 said:

fintail said:

The bigger they are, the harder they fall. Percentage of transaction price (not so much MSRP, nobody pays sticker for high end cars) is interesting too.

houdini1 said:

Hyundai, Genesis is not alone in big first year depreciation. The one year old 2016 Lexus LS 460 (12,750 miles) I just bought had an original MSRP of $82,300. I paid $57,500. Usually, the higher the orig. price, the more the depreciation. Trade in on my 2010 LS was $22,000. , which I think was fair. The dealer listed my 2010 for $26,200. and it sold in about a week. I don't know the actual selling price.

I absolutely agree about the transaction price, but all depreciation is based on msrp. It's all they have to go on, and it can be very misleading. The transaction price on an $80,000. car is probably $7 to $10,000. less depending on what time of year it was purchased.

That list had the CTS going for $27k after 3 years. Here's what you get near me for that.

http://www.listingallcars.com/details/2014-Cadillac-CTS-Used/-840050044934941863

Not a big fan of modern Caddy style or reliability but that's not bad.

Seems like a high asking price. The CTS is A6 size right? 4 banger doesn't seem appropriate; although I know the A6 can be sold that way too.

oldfarmer50

qbrozen said:

oldfarmer50 said:

qbrozen said:

looks like a 2006 2wd 911 coupe with 50k-60k should run right about $30k retail. Same vintage Boxster S is more like $20k. $23k-$25k if you want low miles.

Know nothing about those cars but this one looked nice.

http://www.listingallcars.com/details/2006-Porsche-911-Used/2533907985806487439

Wow. 3 owners in just 20k miles. Makes me wonder if the car is really that awful to drive.

Lemon? Buy here pay here repos? Wife couldn't drive stick? That does seem excessive for 20k miles but over 11 years could just be that the owners got bored. Could have been owned sequentially by members of the CCBA board.

explorerx4

@marcothecarguy1986,
I really enjoyed that Autoline segment with the Ford powertrain guy.
He seemed pretty candid, although you could tell transmissions were not his thing.

28firefighter

It feels like an 06-08 Boxster/Cayman could be the right balance of price/risk for my budget. 

Now to drive one...

Mr_Shiftright

qbrozen said:

I am digging this one:
http://www.sscars.net/2002_Porsche_Boxster_Bensalem_PA_269108397.veh

This still has some good life left in it. Has an accident in its past but I can't see details:
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/697216826/overview/

You want 2003 on up---no plastic window!

Mr_Shiftright

oldfarmer50 said:

qbrozen said:

oldfarmer50 said:

qbrozen said:

looks like a 2006 2wd 911 coupe with 50k-60k should run right about $30k retail. Same vintage Boxster S is more like $20k. $23k-$25k if you want low miles.

Know nothing about those cars but this one looked nice.

http://www.listingallcars.com/details/2006-Porsche-911-Used/2533907985806487439

Wow. 3 owners in just 20k miles. Makes me wonder if the car is really that awful to drive.

Lemon? Buy here pay here repos? Wife couldn't drive stick? That does seem excessive for 20k miles but over 11 years could just be that the owners got bored. Could have been owned sequentially by members of the CCBA board.



Price is too high by at least $10K IMO. They are trolling for low mileage lovers here, but even so, this is inflated.