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tjc78

@jipster
I think you are downplaying AA/CarPlay. It’s a great feature and gives you the best Navigation software, Pandora, Amazon music etc etc right on the screen very well integrated.

Not sure I would buy a vehicle without it.

benjaminh

The extra-cost red on the Mazda 6 looks great imho, and might be worth the money. But this color doesn't cost any extra and looks good too....

oldfarmer50

sda said:

Robbins pooping on the side of the TL. They like their reflection in the glass. Maybe I shouldn't keep it clean. A 3 car garage would be nice...

I have Cardinals fighting their reflection in the side view mirror with similar results.

oldfarmer50

imidazol97 said:

More info: http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/phcommon/public/media/mediapubhpdetail.cfm?prid=2328

NYS started doing random testing yesterday. They didn’t bother publicizing it so the people who showed up might not be a random sample but it’s better than nothing. I suspect they’ll get similar findings.

driver100

sb55 said:

@driver100
I remember that you were looking for back up camera. I don't know if you have the same Costco in Canada, but this solar powered wireless one came on sale today. You won't get your monitor on the mirror or built in, but it's now a bad looking unit.
https://www.costco.com/.product.100504814.html?&EMID=B2C_2020_0420_HotBuys

Thanks for thinking of me sb55. They don't show it clearly, but, I think there is a problem with that unit for me. It is true, the camera is in the license frame and it operates on solar power. It sends the signal (picture) to the monitor which you put on the dash. So far so good. But, the problem is to power the monitor you need an ugly cord running to the cigarette lighter. I already have a cord plugged in for the cell phone, but it is fairly inconspicuous, have phone in netting by the console and cord comes up and into cig lighter.

What I am hoping for is for them to make a monitor that doesn't have to be plugged in....work from batteries or solar. One on the mirror might be possible to attach to wiring in the roof, but, seems they won't attempt that on a Mercedes.

Thanks though...if I got it wrong let me know. It is an excellent price and a nice little unit....and yes, we do have Costco here - though they don't carry everything. If it worked I could order it from Costco USA, and have it sent to neighbors house...it is for the Florida car.

oldfarmer50

imidazol97 said:

Oh no.
My Cobalt 2008 has an airbag light on. My first possible expense with this vehicle that I don't put in the maintenance category. I can't find anyone with a scanner that reads airbag system codes, and I don't want to buy one. Mine only does ABS and regular codes along with live data. I'll take it in tomorrow to make an appointment.

That seems to be a common problem on older chevys. Lots of YouTube videos about it.


https://youtu.be/_Yv0NiTIyQw

driver100

benjaminh
With apologies to Jipster, Heart, and Led Zepplin, but in celebration of an epic car purchase.

Well done!

imidazol97

snakeweasel said:

imidazol97 said:

Oh no.
My Cobalt 2008 has an airbag light on. My first possible expense with this vehicle that I don't put in the maintenance category. I can't find anyone with a scanner that reads airbag system codes, and I don't want to buy one. Mine only does ABS and regular codes along with live data. I'll take it in tomorrow to make an appointment.

When my airbag light went on it was the clock spring in the steering wheel.

Above my pay grade to work on anymore. I'll let the guy do it.

qbrozen

benjaminh said:

@jipster What about this one?

damn that color looks gorgeous. Well worth the $595.

tommister2

jipster said:

tommister2 said:

I actually don't think this is a good time to buy a car. Everything is crazy right now due to coronavirus. Here's what I am seeing in my area:
- The Virginia DMV has been closed for weeks, which has completely killed the private party market. If you have a trade or vehicle to sell, a dealer is your only option. I normally sell private party since VA does not offer sales tax credit.If I can sell for $1000+ over the dealer trade offer, that is good for me.
- @qbrozen has mentioned that the auctions are closed, which means a less than desirable trade would get even worse money on trade since the dealer will likely be stuck with it.
- @abacomike shared that Mercedes plants are closed and I've heard that many others are too. That means the inventory on hand now is all the dealers have for a while. I would bet they aren't exchanging much with other dealers either.
- Dealers have already furloughed staff to save money. I am thinking there is less motivation to move a unit over making money on that unit. Plus they typically have to sell one to get another but they can't get another right now.

I'm sure you could get a good deal right now, but I don't think there are great deals. Maybe in the fall, assuming the factories ramp back up and things begin to return to normal.

I also understand that some brands are offering previously unheard of 0% financing deals - if that means something to you then this is a good time. Me? I shop on price

Well,.my current vehicle is on the mends. My wife's has high miles. So while we don't "need" a new vehicle, and could get by with 1, we need a new vehicle.

Oh yeah, totally get it. Plus the Acura pricing wizards say you have a great deal in front of you there, so what do I know? I’m really just trying to talk myself out of shopping right now 😂

oldfarmer50

jipster said:

benjaminh said:

jipster said:

Acura wouldn't go for my offer. Here was their reply.

"Thanks. I appreciate the opportunity, however, I am already $1500 under cost using Acuras $5,000 dollar incentive to purchase. You can either use the $5,000 incentive or use the .9% with only a $1,500 incentive. That leaves me with no room. We are eager to sell cars at this time but we have to be smart about it too."

Really not interested to lease. You'd think the S.M would have tried.

I did come across the Subaru Legacy when browsing the other day. It seems to get really good reviews. Doubtful though.

Honda Worlds owner sent me an email asking why I didn't buy, said we couldn't meet on price, but feel free to try to earn my business.

Before I leased my 2018 TLX I had never leased a car and was against leasing. But Acura paid me to change my mind. Your quote above shows why. You can get a $5k incentive with financing at probably c. 4.5% (what was the interest for that option?) or you can lease and get a $7350 incentive with a money factor (MF) that roughly equals a 4.5% loan. At the end of 3 years you then have the c.$18k residual, and overall you get the car for less with a lease. Why not pay less for the same car?

But also, overall, you do have to pay for the higher quality and better performance of the TLX with Tech package, which is a luxury performance car. Although it's competitive in price with an Accord EXL, it's going to be tough to get to the price of a lower level model. And just to say the obvious, only you can say if the TLX is worth just a bit more money. I think it's a significantly nicer car for just a little bit more.

And so a Honda EX CVT or Mazda 6 Touring should meet your price target. And both are really good cars.

The Subaru Legacy has the advantage of 4-wheel drive, but overall the acceleration, handling, and interior quality will not be quite at the level of the Accord or the Mazda 6.

What I would need to know is...after the car is paid off, how much money will it have cost me? Price + taxes and fees+interest=? Would it be less than me paying $28k otd with 2.9% interest over 5 years. But don't work the numbers, I'm just really not comfortable with going the lease route. That said, you never know what I may do. ;-)

Thanks for the comments. Don't know what the plan today will be. Hunker down with a couple subs on the couch, or take them on the road to Honda World.

Might be time to pull out the Bobst method.

driver100

qbrozen said:

benjaminh said:

@jipster What about this one?

damn that color looks gorgeous. Well worth the $595.

+1 It makes the car!

oldfarmer50

benjaminh said:

The extra-cost red on the Mazda 6 looks great imho, and might be worth the money. But this color doesn't cost any extra and looks good too....

I’d go for the red. I’ve seen that in person and it makes the car.

stickguy

That Mazda red is gorgeous. But the dark crystal blue has always been one of my favorite colors.

graphicguy

Little different than BaT......

https://www.napolikia.com/used/Pontiac/1964-Pontiac-Banshee+Prototype-95f151760a0e0a6b730c7776e8ad6b20.htm

qbrozen

graphicguy said:

Little different than BaT......

https://www.napolikia.com/used/Pontiac/1964-Pontiac-Banshee+Prototype-95f151760a0e0a6b730c7776e8ad6b20.htm

LOL! Love the "discount."

imidazol97

suydam said:

abacomike said:

Doctor put me on a second regimen of Zythromycin (Z Pack) and is adding a steroid pack for my pneumonia. He said if my up and down fever doesn't drop by Wednesday or Thursday he wants me to go to the hospital.

You might consider going sooner. It could be Covid 19 caused pneumonia (I know they don’t think so but many cases have been misdiagnosed), and if it is, the sooner you go the better. An eye-opening piece today In the NYT from someone on the frontlines explains why this pneumonia is so different, and that you need to take action before you actually feel all that bad.

X2

For a couple of weeks there have been doctors saying that ventilators were doing damage to the lungs people with this disease. The treatment should be other things such as the quinine derived drugs which work.

One doctor I heard quoted last night was saying the lung problem is more like a premature infant's lungs have rather than the adult type pneumonia.

An article which seems to be factual is here. It likely is the one suydam referenced. I suggest you read and note the symptoms.

Waiting makes it harder to treat if it were the Virus-related problem.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/20/opinion/coronavirus-testing-pneumonia.html

graphicguy

Personally, Apple CarPlay and Android Auto are so useful to me in my cars that I can’t imagine buying anything without those features (and not as options). Without those, particularly in this day and age, would be a deal breaker for me.

benjaminh

@jipster price drop alert on this CPO with only c. 1k miles.

https://www.louisvillehondaworld.com/used-Jefferson+County-2020-Honda-Accord+Sedan-EX+15T-1HGCV1F49LA025297

stickguy

Same on car play now after having it.

And man, that is a weird car to have at kia dealer. At least easy to see where the C3 vette came from.

stickguy

That’s a pretty good deal. Extra warranty is fair trade for 1k miles. Especially if cheap financing too.

suydam

You folks keep pushing the Mazda6 on the poor guy hen it’s pretty clear he prefers the roomier interior of the Accord/Acura. Not to mention Subarus and Volvos. Have a heart! It’s hard enough when you’ve sensibly narrowed your choices. He’s got 2 offers on the table for vehicles he and his wife really like. Eventually he’ll get there.

graphicguy

Talked to my Doc yesterday via Zoom. All’s good, regular check up. Took my own BP with a machine I bought a couple of years ago. A little on the high side of normal, but nothing to worry about.

He said the biggest issue with the whole COVID thing is people believe it’s the Flu. It’s not. It is a virus, but it is NOT the flu. He puts his patients with COVID on Ventilators as that’s their only chance of survival....especially older patients (which I asked if I was one of...he just laughed and said I shouldn’t worry if I don’t have symptoms).

He said Quinine has no research to prescribe as a reliable “cure” for COVID, as there is no cure right now. Plus, those who have heart issues, and those with a family history of heart issues are at high risk by taking Quinine derived drugs. He said those patients’ issues would be exacerbated by taking Quinine drugs.

Aside from that, I told him I’ll be retiring soon. He suggested I find a hobby that has something to do with physical activity after this thing is all over. And, to get a better understanding of my health, he wanted me to have blood work done after this is all over.

Clean bill of health. We were on the phone for probably 30 minutes, which I found interesting, as he was more than willing to do a deep dive about the whole COVID thing and my general questions about my upcoming change of life occurrence. I usually spend more time in his waiting room than I do talking to him when I see him in person.

stickguy

A lot of people are probably avoiding doctors if possible, so might have extra time in his hands!

benjaminh

jipster said:

benjaminh said:

@jipster Seems like the TLX is off the table. That's progress!++

Given that it now seems down to the Accord or the Mazda 6, where might you make an offer next?

And now that you understand that AndroidAuto/CarPlay is for navigation—do you want that? If not, going for the base models will obviously save you money.

The Mazda 6 is good enough at the base level (all safety features), more comfortable ride with the smaller wheels,.luxurious interior...that I wouldn't have a problem buying it. AndroidAuto? Nice to have, but no big deal to me. The leatherette and heated seats on Touring Id like to have though.

I think jipster still likes the Mazda 6, but his spouse was more lukewarm about it.

Anyway, I realize a lease seems to be off the table for good reasons. But just as an fyi here's how you convert the money factor (MF) on a lease into an interest rate—"To convert money factors to interest rates, multiply by 2,400."

Although the Acura TLX Tech has a lease incentive of $7350, which is very good, the MF at .00215 is only so-so, because that multiplied by 2400 gives an effective interest rate of about 5%.

I also didn't previously realize the thing @stickguy recently mentioned, which is that you have to re-register a car if you buy it out at the and the end of the lease, which is an added cost.

And what about the sales tax on a lease? I thought you only paid the sales tax on the amount from purchase price to residual on a lease. And then if you buy it out at residual you pay tax on the remaining amount, but you don't get taxed twice on the same car? But was I wrong about that? And does this vary from state to state? @Michaell or @kyfdx any insights about this, particularly for Kentucky?

28firefighter

If lease tax is calculated on the monthly payment, then buying out the lease in full early would mean you get taxed on the remaining base payments plus the residual. As discussed, I believe if you buy an Acura out early they waive the remaining finance charges. You should not get taxed twice - that only happens in some states, for example if you're in a state that collects all lease tax upfront (ohio) or requires you to pay tax on a lease on the full price of the car upfront (texas).

graphicguy

stickguy said:

A lot of people are probably avoiding doctors if possible, so might have extra time in his hands!

Funny you mentioned that. He said something similar....that if there's a positive out of this whole thing, that he would love for each of his patients to have a BP monitor and a thermometer at their disposal. And, that he could spend more time with his patients (virtually) without an office visit.

driver100

graphicguy said:

Little different than BaT......

https://www.napolikia.com/used/Pontiac/1964-Pontiac-Banshee+Prototype-95f151760a0e0a6b730c7776e8ad6b20.htm

You should offer $748000......take in a huge submarine sandwich with you!

ronsteve

roadburner said:

snakeweasel said:

imidazol97 said:

Oh no.
My Cobalt 2008 has an airbag light on. My first possible expense with this vehicle that I don't put in the maintenance category. I can't find anyone with a scanner that reads airbag system codes, and I don't want to buy one. Mine only does ABS and regular codes along with live data. I'll take it in tomorrow to make an appointment.

When my airbag light went on it was the clock spring in the steering wheel.

In my ti it was a sensor in the passenger seat belt buckle. It could also be a sensor in the seat cushion.

When the airbag light went on in my Volvo, the problem was low voltage from the battery. My OEM battery after 9 years and 147K miles.

driver100

graphicguy said:

Personally, Apple CarPlay and Android Auto are so useful to me in my cars that I can’t imagine buying anything without those features (and not as options). Without those, particularly in this day and age, would be a deal breaker for me.

You do adapt eventually, and once you do, you don't want to be without them. Besides, if you don't keep up, you become a dinosaur (like having a car without a backup camera).
I only use my cell phone when in the car...it stays there. It is a minimal $3 a month for calling. I am getting concerned because the day is coming when you will need a phone for paying, for keeping documents, getting admitted to a hospital. But OTOH, I hate getting phone calls!

graphicguy

Got this blurb from one of the local Ford dealers in the area....

“ Lebanon Ford is potentially going to be selling our 2019 Mustang GT 301a Performance Package Level 2. This car has acted as the shop car for Lebanon Ford Performance. The car only has 4,400 miles on it and that will likely not go up as the car sits in our shop most of the time. It is equipped with a long list of value adding parts with nearly $75,000 in total investment between the car, parts, and labor. Making just south of 700 wheel horsepower the car is both fast and a head turner. List of mods below. Asking $55,000 OBO

Mods:
ROUSH Performance Phase 1 2650 Supercharger (Painted Nitrous Blue) We also have the Phase 2 upgrade kit that would included in the sale or a Killer Chiller is available for $500 instead of the larger Roush Radiator.
Roush Engine Covers (Painted Tuxedo Black)
Air box, radiator cover, and headlight surrounds all painted Tuxedo Black
MMR Oil Pump Gears
GForce Halfshafts
Kooks Long Tube Headers - Catless
Borla Atak Active Exhaust Black Chrome Quad Tip Catback
AirLift Performance 3P Suspension w/ 5 gallon tank painted to match the car. All lines tucked and run for cleaner look.
Full Two Tone Custom Paint Satin White Platinum with Gloss Tuxedo Black on Roof, Mirrors, Spoiler, Wheels, and Grilles. ($10000 Paint Job)
Xpel Clear Bra on Front Fascia
Ceramic Pro Lifetime Package on ALL Paint and Wheels.
RTR LED upper and lower grille
RTR Side Skirts, Rear Quarter Splitters and Diffuser
Custom Leather Recaro seats
Painted Brembo Calipers (Nitrous Blue)
Anderson Composites GT350R Fiberglass Wing painted Tuxedo Black.
Matte White Pearl Wrapped Dash Trim
RTR Shift Knob

$55,000 OBO.

As part of purchase we will have the backs of the recaro seats reupholstered to remove the GETHIPP logo from the leather. All of logos will be removed as they are just decals.

Ultimately you can get a super low mileage car that is a one of a kind build for $20000 less than our shop would charge if you wanted to buy the same car brand new.

DM if interested

driver100

graphicguy said:

stickguy said:

A lot of people are probably avoiding doctors if possible, so might have extra time in his hands!

Funny you mentioned that. He said something similar....that if there's a positive out of this whole thing, that he would love for each of his patients to have a BP monitor and a thermometer at their disposal. And, that he could spend more time with his patients (virtually) without an office visit.

An ask the doc was on the radio yesterday, he said people are avoiding doctors and especially hospitals. Because the number going to these places is less than anticipated, it is actually a good time to go.

GG, your doctor sounds really good, he takes the time and he had good sensible advice. For your physical activity check out pickleball.......

graphicguy

driver100 said:

graphicguy said:

stickguy said:

A lot of people are probably avoiding doctors if possible, so might have extra time in his hands!

Funny you mentioned that. He said something similar....that if there's a positive out of this whole thing, that he would love for each of his patients to have a BP monitor and a thermometer at their disposal. And, that he could spend more time with his patients (virtually) without an office visit.

An ask the doc was on the radio yesterday, he said people are avoiding doctors and especially hospitals. Because the number going to these places is less than anticipated, it is actually a good time to go.

GG, your doctor sounds really good, he takes the time and he had good sensible advice. For your physical activity check out pickleball.......

Good idea about pickle ball. I will check it out. Thanks.

My Doc is good. I’ve been with him for 15 years. He doesn’t like throwing drugs at something that can be healed with time, exercise and/or rest. He doesn’t like to recommend any sort of invasive procedures unless absolutely necessary. He doesn’t treat the symptom but the entire cause and effect of the malady. He always warns me off the “throw this idea against the wall and see if it sticks”. He doesn’t see me as a patient, but more as a person. You can tell, I like him.

oldfarmer50

graphicguy said:

Little different than BaT......

https://www.napolikia.com/used/Pontiac/1964-Pontiac-Banshee+Prototype-95f151760a0e0a6b730c7776e8ad6b20.htm

1 of 1, certainly a rare car. Nice to see they rounded it off to an even 3/4 million. But the question is....is it worth it?

oldfarmer50

imidazol97 said:

suydam said:

abacomike said:

Doctor put me on a second regimen of Zythromycin (Z Pack) and is adding a steroid pack for my pneumonia. He said if my up and down fever doesn't drop by Wednesday or Thursday he wants me to go to the hospital.

You might consider going sooner. It could be Covid 19 caused pneumonia (I know they don’t think so but many cases have been misdiagnosed), and if it is, the sooner you go the better. An eye-opening piece today In the NYT from someone on the frontlines explains why this pneumonia is so different, and that you need to take action before you actually feel all that bad.

X2

For a couple of weeks there have been doctors saying that ventilators were doing damage to the lungs people with this disease. The treatment should be other things such as the quinine derived drugs which work.

One doctor I heard quoted last night was saying the lung problem is more like a premature infant's lungs have rather than the adult type pneumonia.

An article which seems to be factual is here. It likely is the one suydam referenced. I suggest you read and note the symptoms.

Waiting makes it harder to treat if it were the Virus-related problem.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/20/opinion/coronavirus-testing-pneumonia.html

Unfortunately, you hit a paywall if you’re not a paying customer so couldn’t read it.

The lung treatment premmies get is a surfactant. That’d be an unusual treatment for old people.

oldfarmer50

benjaminh said:

@jipster price drop alert on this CPO with only c. 1k miles.

https://www.louisvillehondaworld.com/used-Jefferson+County-2020-Honda-Accord+Sedan-EX+15T-1HGCV1F49LA025297

That’s not the one Jipster was negotiating on was it? It if is it would seem strange to lower the price after giving ol’ Jip the broom.

jipster

@benjaminh Yes, I like that red and black interior. Looks great. That color combination on the 6 has always been my favorite. Any cons with an all black interior, in terms of heat? Price is good. Maybe another $500-$750 off. I would have no objections with the blue. Silver would probably be my second color choice.

@tjc78 On the Android Carplay ....mmm, hard to say if I'd warm up to it in time. I guess it's something I'd have to experience.

@tommister2 If you go out shopping...how about picking me out a nice car? ;-)

@suydam Yes, I prefer the roomier interior and comfort of the Accord, but I can't get over the good looks of that Mazda 6....handles well. I didn't feel that "fun to drive" component AS MUCH as other reviewers have suggested, but nice.

The Jeff Wyler people texted me and asked if I was still coming in today to "look at that Accord".
I don't recall making any appointment. Who knows.

@benjaminh Yes, wife was back and forth on the 6...maybe because she thought I was going too fast in it. LOL. She liked the Accord much better. Money Factor...got it. Was wondering what the big deal was with mf. :-)

@driver100 This dinosaur has never had a back up camera in a car. Would probably come to like the Android Autoplay.... 20(?) years ago I thought I'd never need or want a cellphone. And now...can't live without them.

jipster

oldfarmer50 said:

benjaminh said:

@jipster price drop alert on this CPO with only c. 1k miles.

https://www.louisvillehondaworld.com/used-Jefferson+County-2020-Honda-Accord+Sedan-EX+15T-1HGCV1F49LA025297

That’s not the one Jipster was negotiating on was it? It if is it would seem strange to lower the price after giving ol’ Jip the broom.

I believe that's the car I originally test drove. Made me a believer in the Accord. The Accord EX Hybrid is the car I made an offer on. The sales manager looked like he had just finished lunch, so no deal.
I'm going to look at that Accord EX-L tomorrow, but the lowered price on this makes it look even better.

imidazol97

oldfarmer50 said:

imidazol97 said:

suydam said:

abacomike said:

Doctor put me on a second regimen of Zythromycin (Z Pack) and is adding a steroid pack for my pneumonia. He said if my up and down fever doesn't drop by Wednesday or Thursday he wants me to go to the hospital.

You might consider going sooner. It could be Covid 19 caused pneumonia (I know they don’t think so but many cases have been misdiagnosed), and if it is, the sooner you go the better. An eye-opening piece today In the NYT from someone on the frontlines explains why this pneumonia is so different, and that you need to take action before you actually feel all that bad.

X2

For a couple of weeks there have been doctors saying that ventilators were doing damage to the lungs people with this disease. The treatment should be other things such as the quinine derived drugs which work.

One doctor I heard quoted last night was saying the lung problem is more like a premature infant's lungs have rather than the adult type pneumonia.

An article which seems to be factual is here. It likely is the one suydam referenced. I suggest you read and note the symptoms.

Waiting makes it harder to treat if it were the Virus-related problem.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/20/opinion/coronavirus-testing-pneumonia.html

Unfortunately, you hit a paywall if you’re not a paying customer so couldn’t read it.

The lung treatment premmies get is a surfactant. That’d be an unusual treatment for old people.

I certainly wouldn't pay for access to that paper so I don't have a subscription. But I was googling for another article name and this one came up. I suspect the link from google will be let in while other links are blocked.

Use this text to search google for the link and click on that link, and see if they give you the article on a link from google:

So at the end of March, as a crush of Covid-19 patients began overwhelming hospitals in New York City, I volunteered to spend 10 days at Bellevue, helping at the hospital where I trained. Over those days, I realized that we are not detecting the deadly pneumonia the virus causes early enough and that we could be doing more to keep patients off ventilators — and alive.

benjaminh

jipster said:

....I prefer the roomier interior and comfort of the Accord, but I can't get over the good looks of that Mazda 6....handles well. I didn't feel that "fun to drive" component AS MUCH as other reviewers have suggested, but nice....

What was the fun to drive feeling with the TLX? I think that's an area where the TLX does well.

Also, even though the TLX seems off the list again, there's quality in that car that you just won't get with the other cars you're considering imho.

And to throw another option in out of left field, one of the good values in the Honda lineup is the CR-V....

https://www.louisvillehondaworld.com/new-Jefferson+County-2020-Honda-CR+V-EX-2HKRW1H58LH405770

jipster

benjaminh said:

jipster said:

....I prefer the roomier interior and comfort of the Accord, but I can't get over the good looks of that Mazda 6....handles well. I didn't feel that "fun to drive" component AS MUCH as other reviewers have suggested, but nice....

What was the fun to drive feeling with the TLX? I feel that's where the TLX shines.

Also, even though the TLX seems off the list again, there's quality in that car that you just won't get with the other cars you're considering imho.

And to throw another option in out of left field, one of the good values in the Honda lineup is the CR-V....

https://www.louisvillehondaworld.com/new-Jefferson+County-2020-Honda-CR+V-EX-2HKRW1H58LH405770

Fun to drive factor was mainly in handling,.comfort and luxurious feel. Speed and quickness good ,but it had the smaller 207 hp engine. Saw the CR-V in passing. Eyeballed a couple. It was nics.

houdini1

graphicguy said:

suydam said:

No, it’s not like the flu.
https://www.vox.com/covid-19-coronavirus-treatment-prevention-cure-vaccines/2020/4/1/21203242/coronavirus-flu-covid-19

Yeah...I don’t get where “it’s just like the flu” came from. It’s not. And, it’s vitally important people understand that. It’s not going to just go away.

They got it from the fact that covid-19, Flu, and common cold are all forms of the corona virus. Similar, but not the same. During the 2017/18 flu season, at least 60,000 people died from the flu in the U.S. per CDC. Flu can also be deadly.

suydam

Yes, that was a worst case yearly flu scenario. Covid 19 has killed 40,000 people here in just the first 3 months of this year, and it’s only by taking extreme measures that it isn’t worse . Also, unlike the flu, there is no vaccine and no one is immune. It’s also got a much longer infection to symptoms ratio - 14 days as opposed to 2 for flu — and a higher infection rate. So it is similar in nature to regular flu, but actually much much more deadly.

ab348

Please don't throw a CR-V into the mix or we'll all be here until 2023...

suydam

I was thinking the same thought!

houdini1

suydam said:

Yes, that was a worst case yearly flu scenario. Covid 19 has killed 40,000 people here in just the first 3 months of this year, and it’s only by taking extreme measures that it isn’t worse . Also, unlike the flu, there is no vaccine and no one is immune. It’s also got a much longer infection to symptoms ratio - 14 days as opposed to 2 for flu — and a higher infection rate. So it is similar in nature to regular flu, but actually much much more deadly.

suydam said:

Yes, that was a worst case yearly flu scenario. Covid 19 has killed 40,000 people here in just the first 3 months of this year, and it’s only by taking extreme measures that it isn’t worse . Also, unlike the flu, there is no vaccine and no one is immune. It’s also got a much longer infection to symptoms ratio - 14 days as opposed to 2 for flu — and a higher infection rate. So it is similar in nature to regular flu, but actually much much more deadly.

The average flu season in the U.S. lasts for 13 weeks, which includes parts of 2 years because it starts toward the end of one year and ends during the next year. Thus 2017/18 flu season. It usually peaks in Feb., but as you noted, this covid-19 virus is different, and not following the rules. We can all only hope that the worst is over.

imidazol97

Talking laundry detergents: does anyone here use liquids that are higher than 2X concentration? This new machine has settings for 4X, 6X, 8X, 10X for the concentration of detergents. I've figured out that on higher settings it dumps in smaller portions of the detergent from the bulk dispenser. If It thinks it has a higher power detergent and needs less, it puts less in.

I've decided this machine, Whirlpool, is close to being a self-driving car. You just push one button once other settings have been chosen on previous runs, and it just expects to go by itself unless it hits something, like an unbalanced load. I was used to being able to modify settings with my previous Cabrio model on the run; this one expects to be set free to do its own thing. LOL

driver100

Jip, A few things come to mind;

@driver100 This dinosaur has never had a back up camera in a car. Would probably come to like the Android Autoplay.... 20(?) years ago I thought I'd never need or want a cellphone. And now...can't live without them.

Does the Mazda 6 and Accord (I hope we have narrowed it down...though you could try a Passat), have Bluetooth? Since you use your phone it is really nice to be able to use it through the car itself. I assume they all have rear cameras these days...that is a must. And, do either of them have blind spot warnings - another necessity.

One more thought....I thought a few guys mentioned twitchy feeling in the Mazda's steering at higher speeds. That would be a major negative to me. I find Honda's to be true road cars.....good handling, strong engine, designed right.....but no experience with Mazda.

I was checking KBB and they won't give prices for some reason...must know I am communicating with Jip
Mazda6 and Accord get 4.4 out of 5 stars........but, they choose the Accord as their #1 choice in that category.
https://www.kbb.com/honda/accord/
Mrs Jip may know something!

dino001

suydam said:

Yes, that was a worst case yearly flu scenario. Covid 19 has killed 40,000 people here in just the first 3 months of this year, and it’s only by taking extreme measures that it isn’t worse . Also, unlike the flu, there is no vaccine and no one is immune. It’s also got a much longer infection to symptoms ratio - 14 days as opposed to 2 for flu — and a higher infection rate. So it is similar in nature to regular flu, but actually much much more deadly.

Considering suppressed reporting on Spanish flu total cases, I'd venture to say COVID19 starts looking similar to that pandemic, with difference of course. Perhaps less deadly, but not by very much, but more infectious. If we get 40 thousand dead in the US in just March and half of April (in February it was still nascent) months with such extreme measures taken, this number could be easily multiplied by ten or even fifty, if we let everybody catch it all at once. Italian and Spanish mortality rates of apparent 10-15 percent seems to be result of both low number of tests (vs. possibly infected people) and total collapse of the healthcare system under the weight of the cases.

driver100

imidazol97 said:

Talking laundry detergents: does anyone here use liquids that are higher than 2X concentration? This new machine has settings for 4X, 6X, 8X, 10X for the concentration of detergents. I've figured out that on higher settings it dumps in smaller portions of the detergent from the bulk dispenser. It thinks it has a higher power detergent and needs less.

I've decided this machine is close to being a self-driving car. You just push one button once others have been chosen on previous runs, and it just expects to go by itself unless it hits something, like an unbalanced load. I was used to being able to modify settings with my previous Cabrio model on the run; this one expects to be set free to do its own thing. LOL

I may lourd it over you guys with my Pfister but imid has it over us with his new washer that can decide what wash to use with any concentration of soap.....suppose it has a starch underwear setting too!