My Subaru sales guy called this afternoon. They have the car I asked him to let me know about if they ever got one in. Evidently someone ordered it, but it took so long to get here that he bought something else.
That's their story anyway.
I will probably test drive it tomorrow. I was hoping they would have got one in sooner. The 2021's will be out in 4 months, but I doubt they will change much.
They have 0% interest financing until June 1 if I decide to get it, and if I decide to finance it. I guess for 0% I would be foolish not to finance it. This is the dealer that always wants to steal your trade.
The main thing holding me back is the 3.6 liter, 6 cylinder engine in mine now. I sort of hate to give it up.
Legacy Touring XT.
Love the new Legacy Touring XT for a large sedan. Interior is a massive upgrade over the previous generation.
Two things to make sure don’t bother you: (1) The infotainment for the first MY is supposedly a bit glitchy sometimes. I didn’t notice it when I drove the new outback, but make sure you’re OK with it.
(2) The auto start-stop. It cannot be permanently disabled from the UI and requires several menu presses to disable every time you startup. This was new for the XT and not something that was on the 3.6 motors.
I haven't looked in person, but it looks the same as the one in the Ascent which has been fine. No complaints from the driver.
I've driven other cars with stop/start. I must be one of the few where it doesn't bother me.
Thanks for the heads up.
Infotainment is a bit different from Ascent. They went to a large vertical touchscreen tablet design (think Volvo style). The Ascent has a more traditional head unit with buttons, I think.
I see what you mean. The Ascent has an 8" screen while the Legacy has an 11.6" screen. I guess everything will be clearer when I drive it today.
I like the way both of them are built in to the dash.
Thanks, all! I see what all of you are saying. Good to have you folks to bounce ideas off of (and to whine like a jilted teen) when the need strikes.
I guess the R22 is getting scarce, and as you guys say, that’s no guarantee of a long term fix. It’s a bandaid on a gun shot wound, at best.
Wasn’t thinking I needed to pull $3K out of the old “what if I find a car I really like” fund just yet. Getting bids for contractors. Had two out yesterday. They’re begging for business. I always believed the most important part of the HVAC units is not the brand, but the quality of the installation. Seems there are 3 “big” brands around these parts. Carrier, Trane and Goodman/Janitrol.
Not looking for anything fancy. They all cool. Need a 3.5 ton unit. Looks like a 13 SEER is the least any of the HVAC companies carry. Big name in HVAC and appliance sales around these parts came in at $3,400 installed, with R14, new coil, any fabrication (which there should be very little, if any, given my furnace is only about 5 years old), haul away the old. That’s the least expensive, and given their reputation in the area (all good), will probably go that route.
There was one guy in the middle, ~$5K all in for a Trane system.
Highest was for a Carrier, ~$6K all in.
Pretty big delta in prices. The two highest guys couldn’t tell me for the life of them what the extra cost was for, except how their “name brand” was worth extra. Not so sure about that. Warranty is about the same on all.
Guess I know which direction I’ll be going.
Separate subject, the lady Acura Tech Writer called yesterday and asked if I had make a decision on the TLX, yet. With recent events, looks like I may sell her. Now, to come up with a price we both feel good about.
They do nice work, and a set price for installation. If they run into issues, they just suck it up, rather than add it to your bill. I definitely wouldn't worry about brand. Especially, if you think you may be moving. Brand new A/C will be a selling point, either way.
I put a whole system in for $6800, including the furnace, a couple of years ago. $5000-$6000 just for A/C is ridiculous.
They do nice work, and a set price for installation. If they run into issues, they just suck it up, rather than add it to your bill. I definitely wouldn't worry about brand. Especially, if you think you may be moving. Brand new A/C will be a selling point, either way.
I put a whole system in for $6800, including the furnace, a couple of years ago. $5000-$6000 just for A/C is ridiculous.
Yep...that’s them. Good to hear they do good work. And, agree about pricing.
Some of these installers act like I’m asking for gold duct work. One guy was particularly hard sell. He insisted I go through his entire presentation, which talked about the company, how they are Veteran supported (nice sentiment, but has nothing to do with my installation), how they clean up after themselves (good to know) and wear little booties while in my home, etc. He sat in my den and had a whole book of slides, which probably would have taken an hour to see before I could get to his bid. I finally had to cut him off about ½ way through the presentation and told him if I could not see the bid now, he had zero chance of getting my business.
He acted like a puppy that was just kicked. He wanted desperately to get through his entire presentation. He was the $6K guy, and was not the installer, but the sales person.
I don’t need to be sold. I need to replace my A/C. Selling me to do so isn’t remotely necessary. Getting a price to do so is my only goal.
I find that home improvement companies can be a load to deal with. A couple of examples come to mind. The most recent was getting a quote to replace some basement windows, the typical small approx. 3"x18" type. I had a company I had used before for window replacement quote me on that 3 years ago. They came in at about $435Cdn per window installed and trimmed. At the time I only took them up on the part of the basement that was going to be renovated and left the others in the unfinished part alone. Did the work well, no issues. Back in February I sent them back their quote from 2017 and asked them to update it for the remainder of the windows. It came back at over $600 per window, an increase of over 30%. Needless to say I did not proceed, esp. considering I can go to HD and buy the actual window units for a little over $200 each. I get that they are doing the labor, trim and cleanup but it seemed excessive. They guy contacted me a few weeks ago and that's what I told him, nicely. He seemed to be quite surprised that I was surprised, giving me the spiel about how good the windows they used were and the quality of their work. But they are windows for an unfinished basement. All I want is good sealing and thermal glass.
I had another experience when I got quotes on my heat pump. One of the companies has been around here forever and had a good reputation. I know the former owner, who sold it about 10 years ago. It was bought by a regional group who own a bunch of home-improvement contractors. Their business model flipped at some point and now they do the hard sell like your guy with the presentation, push hard for extended warranties, and being a Lennox dealer, really sell the reputation of that brand (which I gather is not what it once was). Given their price was not competitive once you cut through all the add-ons, it made for an easy pass.
I’m still frustrated with how hard it is even getting a quote. 2 people came early last week to estimate on the deck and replacing the front and back doors (well, only asked one guy about the front) and replacing floods (the other guy). Both, crickets. I know the deck estimate required a little work to do the math and get material prices, but seems like this should have been plenty of time.
Easy to see why people just walk into Lowe’s, pick out a door, and sign up for install at the same time.
Quite the story.....unbelievable. Nice that Hyundai stepped in to help customers out. I don't think it was their liability. Why would they take the engine apart in a 2019 car? They show his picture there....I wouldn't trust that guy as soon as I saw him.
I personally have no interest in cruises, but some good friends really like them and go on them all the time.
Went on my first cruise a couple of years ago. It was fairly entertaining. Almost got in a brawl with some idiot who made a inappropriate pass at my sister in law. My brother in law saw it happen, went up to this mid 20's guy and told him he would....kick his @#$. I had been drinking a tad, a tad!... and didn't know what had happened at that point, but tried to calm my bil down, got him to back off. After 20 minutes the guy comes back over and says he wants to fight us....back in his cabin....or ours, he don't care! After 5 minute of those 2 jawing back and fourth, with me trying to be the peacemaker, I was able to get security and get things settled down. Seriously thought I'd end up having to fight some guy half my age...and sorry to say, don't think I would have won....or lived to tell about it.
Besides the crowds everywhere, the puny cabin... the cruise was a fairly good time. But, not something I'd want to make a habit of. Saw the ruins of Chichen Itzu. Snorkeling in Cosemel.(sp) Suppose to go on another cruise in December, but don't think it'll happen.
The guy wanted to go back to his cabin or yours? Sounds like he was hitting on YOU.
I think he wanted.to be "hitting" on both of us.
I assumed this goon was cognizant of all the security cameras around and didn't want to end up in some Mexican jail....again.
Jip, Glad you survived that possible rumble aboard the cruise ship. But....how is the new Accord running? Are you keeping it?
LOL. Yeah, I'll probably keep it. Though I may go ahead and start the new car buying process in a couple weeks, for my planned 2035 trade in of the Accord. Maybe start test driving in a year. ;-)
And yes, the Accord is still running pretty good. May take it in for a tune -up next week just to be on the safe side.
I still haven't clay barred and waxed the car yet. We've been getting a lot of rain lately, and I'd like to drive it a couple days in a row without it getting puddle water on it.
Glad you like it and are planning on keeping it for what looks like 15 years. I am probably only going about 400 miles a month, so the E should last about 15 years too. It is nice only having about 1/5th the number of cars on the road these days, I can enjoy the ambiance and the experience of driving it.
Here in Louisville, we are perilously close to "traffic as usual" already, even though dine-in restaurants, hair salons, and other "close contact" services remain closed and it'll be Friday (in theory) before social gatherings of even 10 people are kosher.
That being said, I have done a total of 9 workdays from home over the last month (the other 9 in the office), but the wife has only had to go into her office maybe 3 times since mid-March. The end result is noticeably fewer miles going on the Acura, and a lot fewer on the Jetta. I've actually been driving the Jetta when I work night shifts, else we would probably need to be putting some fuel stabilizer in it!
The wiper problem has resolved in that the GM told me that if the "Chattering" persists over the next two weeks, the service department has been authorized to replace my OEM wiper blades with "Rainex" wiper blades. According to Mercedes, the chattering is only temporary and eventually subsides.
Second since the U.S. and Germany are in no way similar and vary greatly on factors that determine fatality rates the U.S. will never get to Germanys levels.
No way similar? You are going to have to defend that statement. In what ways are the US and Germany different? Are we different species? Are Germans not human? Are German cars so much better? Are German cars not available for purchase in the US?
No, that can't be it. Rural vs. Urban area? Cell phone availability? Cost of gasoline? What are these vast differences where there are no similarities?
If high speeds were not safe, every race car driver would already be dead 100 times over by now. Sure, a few race car drivers are dead, but if high speeds were not safe, all of them would be dead by now. Every....single....one.
You got me there everyone everywhere is exactly the same.
OK I'll ignore the obvious differences such as driver training/licensing and traffic enforcement, both of which wouldn't fly here in the U.S. I'll touch on two other important differences that have a big impact. First is that the U.S. is far more car reliant than Germany, Germans have a lower auto ownership rate and on average drive about half the distance that we do here and are more reliant on public transportation even for long trips. So Americans are far more likely to make long trips by car, this results in the U.S. having more fatigued drivers. Fatigued drivers are more prone to be in accidents.
Another thing to consider is that Germany has a much higher population density than the U.S. (600 people per square mile vs 87). What this means is that the higher the population density the more numerous facilities to support that population including EMS and hospitals. Remember we have vast areas where the population density is in the single digits. Get into a serious accident in the middle of Nebraska and it might be a while till you get medical attention. In Germany you dont have to drive through large sparsely populated areas to get between population centers.
Now if you dont think driving faster is more dangerous tell me why does the unlimited speed sections of the autobahn have almost twice the fatality rate of the sections that have a speed limit.
YOU KNOW darn well the Autobahn sections that are unlimited are the safest roads in Germany with the lowest fatality rates in Germany, and most all of Europe with very few exceptions. The unlimited sections do have a fair number of fatalities, because they form 60-70% of all the Autobahn. We've been over this before. You'd expect 70% of the roadway to cause 70% of the deaths, but the truth is they cause much less, which indicates they are not just AS SAFE, but indeed, far SAFER! Significantly so.
By the way, 70% is more than double 30%. So even if your statement were true, which it isn't, it indicates the unlimited sections are safer.
I understand the argument against stricter licensing requirements in the US to match Germany. I don't think it is a strong argument, but I'll allow it.
I don't see any support for why Germany's method of focusing law enforcement on hazardous and dangerous driving violations, rather than spending all of their time on revenue generation is a problem in the US though? Cities can find other ways to raise revenue rather than committing larceny from the driving public. This would be an immediate drastic improvement in the US with no LEGITIMATE downside.
You also failed to mention that extra low speed limits contribute to, and compound fatigue by making drivers take legally longer to get from A to B.
As to your argument about health care and response times for urgent/emergency care, I think it involves a few back-flips, contortions, twists, and run-arounds to get there, but OK, it could be a factor, but it is far from certain. At the same time, your argument would indicate that fatalities are not due to speed at all, again, but due to poor response times and adequate medical care.
In any event, I think that reasoning might get you close if the delta were say, 5 to 10% consistently, but since the fatality rates per mile driven are so vastly far apart, I think you are grasping for straws that get you a few points, when you are 100 behind.
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@graphicguy, PLEASE NOTE to make sure that the HVAC you buy is not single stage fan blower. When the a/c is needed, it goes on with the single stage fan. You want a variable stage or multi-stage fan blower - the fan goes on low, then eventually adds the cooling, off In the reverse order. Heat works similarly.
I made the mistake when I had to replace both HVAC’s in a previous house, both Tranes, so I thought I was getting the “best”. They seemed to work well and were cheaper in comparison. The problem with them was a big one - it was that my electric bills went up about 50% per mo.! The single speeds are not as lower maintenance or as energy efficient. Variable sped fan units are the most costly, followed by multistage with single stage the cheapest, most expensive to run. FWIW, my Tranes were made in the country that starts with a “C”.
I recall my Lennox dealer stating clearly that the motor or motors were direct current which would be much more efficient than my previous 23-year old lennox's motors.
@Graphicguy would be replacing the outside motor for the air fan on the condenser and the compressor. I assume the compressor is latest in efficiency. He might ask about the air fan on the unit.
My inside air fan has two speeds. I did not want the outside/inside units that have different speeds for the compressor and blower fans. Just more to have trouble with was my inside info--for the extra cost and little in savings in energy use per year, didn't pay off for my thinking.
I think the quality of the installing and servicing dealer is as important or more important than the public's opinion of the reputation of the brand itself. The brands likely share supplieres just as the auto manufacturers do.
I read a very funny comment from a poster on another forum about imported parts, but I can't tell it here.
I'm really worried. I just recalled with the talk about @graphicguy's AC unit, that my compressor on the heat pump went out several months back. Now the compressor on my son's Cruze. Which compressor will be the third in the group of 3? Refrigerator? Malibu? Cobalt?
The wiper problem has resolved in that the GM told me that if the "Chattering" persists over the next two weeks, the service department has been authorized to replace my OEM wiper blades with "Rainex" wiper blades. According to Mercedes, the chattering is only temporary and eventually subsides.
I am satisfied for the time being. 🤓
Glad to hear about the wiper resolution. I just can't believe a good stripping down to glass of whatever coatings they have put on to make things work wouldn't help. I'd be out there with a Brillo pad in the rain doing the scrub a dub.
I used to work with a lady whose best friend was named Vera. She told me once that the bane of her existence were people who thought they were witty and would greet her with "'Allo, Vera" in a British accent.
I'm really worried. I just recalled with the talk about @graphicguy's AC unit, that my compressor on the heat pump went out several months back. Now the compressor on my son's Cruze. Which compressor will be the third in the group of 3? Refrigerator? Malibu? Cobalt?
Bet it wouldn't have broken down if it was a Toyota
@graphicguy, PLEASE NOTE to make sure that the HVAC you buy is not single stage fan blower. When the a/c is needed, it goes on with the single stage fan. You want a variable stage or multi-stage fan blower - the fan goes on low, then eventually adds the cooling, off In the reverse order. Heat works similarly.
I made the mistake when I had to replace both HVAC’s in a previous house, both Tranes, so I thought I was getting the “best”. They seemed to work well and were cheaper in comparison. The problem with them was a big one - it was that my electric bills went up about 50% per mo.! The single speeds are not as lower maintenance or as energy efficient. Variable sped fan units are the most costly, followed by multistage with single stage the cheapest, most expensive to run. FWIW, my Tranes were made in the country that starts with a “C”.
True. Variable speed and multiple better with keeping the house more comfortable The higher the Seer rating the more efficient the a/c is. But g.g is selling his house in a year, so probably want to go with the less expensive option...which will still be pretty good.
In looking at a complete HVAC system install estimates from a couple years ago, I have estimates from $6,000 (basic) up to $12,500 (all the bells and whistles).The average for a mid level system was around $7,200. So, hopefully the company g.g uses will make a road trip down to Louisville...should the need arise.
Seems that MB is finally listening to me. I have always complained about windows getting smaller.....in this months newsletter they were featuring the new 2021 GLA, and they mention "the new model sits at a higher vantage point with a new roof‑pillar design to expand visibility, for even more confidence on the road". I was sure they were following my posts at C&C.
I saw 2 new MBs today. The small CUV (GLB?) the square one. And an A220 sedan. Both in my neighborhood driving around, while I was on a short walk with the dog
Fintail: The E makes for a beautiful wagon....I like the way they did the windows, even dipping near the rear for extra clear vision. Stick: I was curious where that GLB fits into the lineup. Seems right in the middle, and I think they got the right look, a little boxy but with a bulge on the side to break up the lines. That is one SUV I would consider. I got a picture of the exterior but I wanted to show the interior first; I was surprised they kept the base price at $38600 USD. Of course, add ons get it up to mid $50s pretty quickly:
One feature that sounds interesting....not sure if others here have it.....it is like Alexa;
The designers have included one of our favorite new Mercedes additions in the standard package: the new Mercedes Benz User Experience (MBUX), a system that understands basic language, maybe better known as the “Hey, Mercedes” system.
Just by saying the words “Hey, Mercedes,” the system responds with, “What do you need?” It is just like having a personal assistant on board to help along the drive. Changing radio channels, adjusting interior temperature and adding a navigation point are all as easy as saying “Hey, Mercedes. Change the radio to the Billy Joel Channel” and away it goes.
I'm really worried. I just recalled with the talk about @graphicguy's AC unit, that my compressor on the heat pump went out several months back. Now the compressor on my son's Cruze. Which compressor will be the third in the group of 3? Refrigerator? Malibu? Cobalt?
Bet it wouldn't have broken down if it was a Toyota
Yup. I heard that they repurchase used toyotas and get them out of junkyards when wrecked so they can salvage all the parts and reuse them in new cars. They just last so well.
Actually, my Cruze was the first one the mechanic at the dealership had seen with a blown compressor. Many years ago when Harrison was still in Dayton, I saw a collection of AC compressors torn down from various and all other car companies. If you could have seen the pieces of the others each laid out on boards compared to the engineering that went into the AC Delco compressors, you'd understand why I'm surprised mine went out.
I think the E wagon might be the ideal MB, comes at a price, but there's still something somewhat special about it. An S wagon would be amazing, but I suppose the GLS and G take that role. Of course, the C wagon exists too and is nice looking, but not sold here.
IIRC my local dealer had a couple relatively basic GLB (I call it the "glib") - I think they were just under 40K. Won't find many like that out there. I like how the LED widescreen display is becoming standard on new age models.
I am usually not a big luddite, but I don't like talking to appliances or cars. I am fine with using a scroll wheel/touchpad/buttons. I still feel a little weird when I ask the car to call someone, or use voice commands to switch menus.
Fintail: The E makes for a beautiful wagon....I like the way they did the windows, even dipping near the rear for extra clear vision. Stick: I was curious where that GLB fits into the lineup. Seems right in the middle, and I think they got the right look, a little boxy but with a bulge on the side to break up the lines. That is one SUV I would consider. I got a picture of the exterior but I wanted to show the interior first;
I am usually not a big luddite, but I don't like talking to appliances or cars. I am fine with using a scroll wheel/touchpad/buttons. I still feel a little weird when I ask the car to call someone, or use voice commands to switch menus.
Fintail: The E makes for a beautiful wagon....I like the way they did the windows, even dipping near the rear for extra clear vision. Stick: I was curious where that GLB fits into the lineup. Seems right in the middle, and I think they got the right look, a little boxy but with a bulge on the side to break up the lines. That is one SUV I would consider. I got a picture of the exterior but I wanted to show the interior first;
I don't usually speak to my car either.....just seems weird. Except for the GPS, that is too cumbersome to punch in. I remember going to a tennis match in Halle Germany, there was a parking lot in a field, 2/3rds of the cars in the lot were wagons. Wagons are definitely more practical - more space, uses less fuel.
One feature that sounds interesting....not sure if others here have it.....it is like Alexa;
The designers have included one of our favorite new Mercedes additions in the standard package: the new Mercedes Benz User Experience (MBUX), a system that understands basic language, maybe better known as the “Hey, Mercedes” system.
Just by saying the words “Hey, Mercedes,” the system responds with, “What do you need?” It is just like having a personal assistant on board to help along the drive. Changing radio channels, adjusting interior temperature and adding a navigation point are all as easy as saying “Hey, Mercedes. Change the radio to the Billy Joel Channel” and away it goes.
My new E450 has so much more voice control over all functions in the car. So much better than the 2018 S450 I had. I just press the voice command button on the steering wheel and give a verbal command - it responds so quickly.
The MBUX system is supposed to be even better. It's getting great reviews already.
So...the gory details. Feel free to skip over if not interested.
As I mentioned, my salesman called yesterday and said they have a Legacy Touring XT that someone ordered and decided they didn't want. It was only the second one they have had. I didn't get a chance to stop out yesterday.
This morning I called Subaru of America and asked if they had a loyalty voucher for me. The lady I talked to excused herself for a few minutes. When she came back she offered a $750 voucher. I asked her to email it to me; which she did.
I called the salesman and said I was on my way and asked if he could have it ready. It was sitting outside running with the keys inside when I got there. I told him my keys were in my car and took off for a short trip.
When I got back he had a deal "written up" on his computer. After a few adjustments a deal was struck. Just a little over 24 hours.
Similar to my experience - but I never drove the car before I secured the deal. In a way, if I wanted a 2020 E450 sedan, it was the only one in the entire region with the options close to what I would order.
Much happiness and enjoyment with your new Subie - great interior!
It’s a lot quicker than I thought it would be. I assume it’s the low end grunt because of the turbo. Faster than my 3.6, but I suspect, at speed, the 3.6 would win out. Losing that engine is my only regret.
These are nice cars…for a Subaru.
It has a lot of tech. Much of it my old Legacy had, but there is new stuff to play with too.
Eyesight is always a fan favorite and, of course, it has the usual Auto Emergency Braking, Lane Departure and Sway Warning (whatever that is), Adaptive Cruise, Reverse Automatic Braking, Blind Spot Detection, Rear Cross Traffic Alert, 180-degree front View Monitor, and 7 billion airbags.
The 11.6” Nav. screen is huge. The Nappa leather seats are nice. 10-way drivers and 8-way passenger seats is a lot of adjustment for getting it right and never touching it again. Ventilated and heated seats, but the ventilated part creeps me out a little. Dual-zone Auto Climate Control is nice as always. Automatic power folding side mirrors w/ reverse auto tilt down would keep Mrs. jmonroe from knocking the mirror off the car. Moonroof that I will never use. Wireless phone charger is nicer than I thought it would be.
It’s screwed together pretty well. Of course there are only 12 miles on it.
One feature that sounds interesting....not sure if others here have it.....it is like Alexa;
The designers have included one of our favorite new Mercedes additions in the standard package: the new Mercedes Benz User Experience (MBUX), a system that understands basic language, maybe better known as the “Hey, Mercedes” system.
Just by saying the words “Hey, Mercedes,” the system responds with, “What do you need?” It is just like having a personal assistant on board to help along the drive. Changing radio channels, adjusting interior temperature and adding a navigation point are all as easy as saying “Hey, Mercedes. Change the radio to the Billy Joel Channel” and away it goes.
My Ford isn’t so snobby that you need to make a formal request by name. You just yell “change the radio” and it does it without getting all uppity.🗣🗣
My other cars are so cool they won’t even respond if you talk to them.😢
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Seems that MB is finally listening to me. I have always complained about windows getting smaller.....in this months newsletter they were featuring the new 2021 GLA, and they mention "the new model sits at a higher vantage point with a new roof‑pillar design to expand visibility, for even more confidence on the road". I was sure they were following my posts at C&C.
ooo... that's a sharp looking RDX.
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I guess the R22 is getting scarce, and as you guys say, that’s no guarantee of a long term fix. It’s a bandaid on a gun shot wound, at best.
Wasn’t thinking I needed to pull $3K out of the old “what if I find a car I really like” fund just yet. Getting bids for contractors. Had two out yesterday. They’re begging for business. I always believed the most important part of the HVAC units is not the brand, but the quality of the installation. Seems there are 3 “big” brands around these parts. Carrier, Trane and Goodman/Janitrol.
Not looking for anything fancy. They all cool. Need a 3.5 ton unit. Looks like a 13 SEER is the least any of the HVAC companies carry. Big name in HVAC and appliance sales around these parts came in at $3,400 installed, with R14, new coil, any fabrication (which there should be very little, if any, given my furnace is only about 5 years old), haul away the old. That’s the least expensive, and given their reputation in the area (all good), will probably go that route.
There was one guy in the middle, ~$5K all in for a Trane system.
Highest was for a Carrier, ~$6K all in.
Pretty big delta in prices. The two highest guys couldn’t tell me for the life of them what the extra cost was for, except how their “name brand” was worth extra. Not so sure about that. Warranty is about the same on all.
Guess I know which direction I’ll be going.
Separate subject, the lady Acura Tech Writer called yesterday and asked if I had make a decision on the TLX, yet. With recent events, looks like I may sell her. Now, to come up with a price we both feel good about.
They do nice work, and a set price for installation. If they run into issues, they just suck it up, rather than add it to your bill. I definitely wouldn't worry about brand. Especially, if you think you may be moving. Brand new A/C will be a selling point, either way.
I put a whole system in for $6800, including the furnace, a couple of years ago. $5000-$6000 just for A/C is ridiculous.
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Some of these installers act like I’m asking for gold duct work. One guy was particularly hard sell. He insisted I go through his entire presentation, which talked about the company, how they are Veteran supported (nice sentiment, but has nothing to do with my installation), how they clean up after themselves (good to know) and wear little booties while in my home, etc. He sat in my den and had a whole book of slides, which probably would have taken an hour to see before I could get to his bid. I finally had to cut him off about ½ way through the presentation and told him if I could not see the bid now, he had zero chance of getting my business.
He acted like a puppy that was just kicked. He wanted desperately to get through his entire presentation. He was the $6K guy, and was not the installer, but the sales person.
I don’t need to be sold. I need to replace my A/C. Selling me to do so isn’t remotely necessary. Getting a price to do so is my only goal.
I had another experience when I got quotes on my heat pump. One of the companies has been around here forever and had a good reputation. I know the former owner, who sold it about 10 years ago. It was bought by a regional group who own a bunch of home-improvement contractors. Their business model flipped at some point and now they do the hard sell like your guy with the presentation, push hard for extended warranties, and being a Lennox dealer, really sell the reputation of that brand (which I gather is not what it once was). Given their price was not competitive once you cut through all the add-ons, it made for an easy pass.
2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6
Easy to see why people just walk into Lowe’s, pick out a door, and sign up for install at the same time.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/column-hyundai-disavows-socal-dealer-130035733.html
I actually remember reading about this guy's car wash.
They show his picture there....I wouldn't trust that guy as soon as I saw him.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
That being said, I have done a total of 9 workdays from home over the last month (the other 9 in the office), but the wife has only had to go into her office maybe 3 times since mid-March. The end result is noticeably fewer miles going on the Acura, and a lot fewer on the Jetta. I've actually been driving the Jetta when I work night shifts, else we would probably need to be putting some fuel stabilizer in it!
I am satisfied for the time being. 🤓
2024 Genesis G90 Super-Charger
I made the mistake when I had to replace both HVAC’s in a previous house, both Tranes, so I thought I was getting the “best”. They seemed to work well and were cheaper in comparison. The problem with them was a big one - it was that my electric bills went up about 50% per mo.! The single speeds are not as lower maintenance or as energy efficient. Variable sped fan units are the most costly, followed by multistage with single stage the cheapest, most expensive to run. FWIW, my Tranes were made in the country that starts with a “C”.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
@Graphicguy would be replacing the outside motor for the air fan on the condenser and the compressor. I assume the compressor is latest in efficiency. He might ask about the air fan on the unit.
My inside air fan has two speeds. I did not want the outside/inside units that have different speeds for the compressor and blower fans. Just more to have trouble with was my inside info--for the extra cost and little in savings in energy use per year, didn't pay off for my thinking.
I think the quality of the installing and servicing dealer is as important or more important than the
public's opinion of the reputation of the brand itself. The brands likely share supplieres just as the auto
manufacturers do.
I read a very funny comment from a poster on another forum about imported parts, but I can't tell it here.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Now the compressor on my son's Cruze.
Which compressor will be the third in the group of 3?
Refrigerator? Malibu? Cobalt?
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
In any case, weird story.
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2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6
I'm at the Subaru place.
2025 Forester Limited, 2024 Subaru Legacy Sport
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
In looking at a complete HVAC system install estimates from a couple years ago, I have estimates from $6,000 (basic) up to $12,500 (all the bells and whistles).The average for a mid level system was around $7,200. So, hopefully the company g.g uses will make a road trip down to Louisville...should the need arise.
I was sure they were following my posts at C&C.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Stick: I was curious where that GLB fits into the lineup. Seems right in the middle, and I think they got the right look, a little boxy but with a bulge on the side to break up the lines. That is one SUV I would consider. I got a picture of the exterior but I wanted to show the interior first;
I was surprised they kept the base price at $38600 USD. Of course, add ons get it up to mid $50s pretty quickly:
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
The designers have included one of our favorite new Mercedes additions in the standard package: the new Mercedes Benz User Experience (MBUX), a system that understands basic language, maybe better known as the “Hey, Mercedes” system.
Just by saying the words “Hey, Mercedes,” the system responds with, “What do you need?” It is just like having a personal assistant on board to help along the drive. Changing radio channels, adjusting interior temperature and adding a navigation point are all as easy as saying “Hey, Mercedes. Change the radio to the Billy Joel Channel” and away it goes.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
salvage all the parts and reuse them in new cars. They just last so well.
Actually, my Cruze was the first one the mechanic at the dealership had seen with a blown compressor.
Many years ago when Harrison was still in Dayton, I saw a collection of AC compressors torn down from various and all other car companies. If you could have seen the pieces of the others each laid out on boards compared to the engineering that went into the AC Delco compressors, you'd understand why I'm surprised mine went out.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
IIRC my local dealer had a couple relatively basic GLB (I call it the "glib") - I think they were just under 40K. Won't find many like that out there. I like how the LED widescreen display is becoming standard on new age models.
I am usually not a big luddite, but I don't like talking to appliances or cars. I am fine with using a scroll wheel/touchpad/buttons. I still feel a little weird when I ask the car to call someone, or use voice commands to switch menus.
2017 MB E400 , 2015 MB GLK350, 2014 MB C250
Mrs.venture has dinner ready.
2025 Forester Limited, 2024 Subaru Legacy Sport
The MBUX system is supposed to be even better. It's getting great reviews already.
2024 Genesis G90 Super-Charger
2024 Genesis G90 Super-Charger
As I mentioned, my salesman called yesterday and said they have a Legacy Touring XT that someone ordered and decided they didn't want. It was only the second one they have had. I didn't get a chance to stop out yesterday.
This morning I called Subaru of America and asked if they had a loyalty voucher for me. The lady I talked to excused herself for a few minutes. When she came back she offered a $750 voucher. I asked her to email it to me; which she did.
I called the salesman and said I was on my way and asked if he could have it ready. It was sitting outside running with the keys inside when I got there. I told him my keys were in my car and took off for a short trip.
When I got back he had a deal "written up" on his computer. After a few adjustments a deal was struck. Just a little over 24 hours.
It's sitting in my garage.
2025 Forester Limited, 2024 Subaru Legacy Sport
Much happiness and enjoyment with your new Subie - great interior!
2024 Genesis G90 Super-Charger
It’s a lot quicker than I thought it would be. I assume it’s the low end grunt because of the turbo. Faster than my 3.6, but I suspect, at speed, the 3.6 would win out. Losing that engine is my only regret.
These are nice cars…for a Subaru.
It has a lot of tech. Much of it my old Legacy had, but there is new stuff to play with too.
Eyesight is always a fan favorite and, of course, it has the usual Auto Emergency Braking, Lane Departure and Sway Warning (whatever that is), Adaptive Cruise, Reverse Automatic Braking, Blind Spot Detection, Rear Cross Traffic Alert, 180-degree front View Monitor, and 7 billion airbags.
The 11.6” Nav. screen is huge. The Nappa leather seats are nice. 10-way drivers and 8-way passenger seats is a lot of adjustment for getting it right and never touching it again. Ventilated and heated seats, but the ventilated part creeps me out a little. Dual-zone Auto Climate Control is nice as always. Automatic power folding side mirrors w/ reverse auto tilt down would keep Mrs. jmonroe from knocking the mirror off the car. Moonroof that I will never use. Wireless phone charger is nicer than I thought it would be.
It’s screwed together pretty well. Of course there are only 12 miles on it.
2025 Forester Limited, 2024 Subaru Legacy Sport
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2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
My other cars are so cool they won’t even respond if you talk to them.😢
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