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driver100 · May 2020

stickguy said:
Definitely the math says put in the new unit.

+1
You have to figure you got your use out of the old one.....patch work fixing seldom works. As others pointed out....a new one will help in selling the place.

driver100 · May 2020

jipster said:

driver100 said:

jipster said:

qbrozen said:

jipster said:

suydam said:
I personally have no interest in cruises, but some good friends really like them and go on them all the time.
Went on my first cruise a couple of years ago. It was fairly entertaining. Almost got in a brawl with some idiot who made a inappropriate pass at my sister in law. My brother in law saw it happen, went up to this mid 20's guy and told him he would....kick his @#$. I had been drinking a tad, a tad!... and didn't know what had happened at that point, but tried to calm my bil down, got him to back off. After 20 minutes the guy comes back over and says he wants to fight us....back in his cabin....or ours, he don't care! After 5 minute of those 2 jawing back and fourth, with me trying to be the peacemaker, I was able to get security and get things settled down. Seriously thought I'd end up having to fight some guy half my age...and sorry to say, don't think I would have won....or lived to tell about it.

Besides the crowds everywhere, the puny cabin... the cruise was a fairly good time. But, not something I'd want to make a habit of. Saw the ruins of Chichen Itzu. Snorkeling in Cosemel.(sp) Suppose to go on another cruise in December, but don't think it'll happen.
The guy wanted to go back to his cabin or yours? Sounds like he was hitting on YOU.
I think he wanted.to be "hitting" on both of us.

I assumed this goon was cognizant of all the security cameras around and didn't want to end up in some Mexican jail....again.
Jip, Glad you survived that possible rumble aboard the cruise ship.
But....how is the new Accord running? Are you keeping it?
LOL. Yeah, I'll probably keep it. Though I may go ahead and start the new car buying process in a couple weeks, for my planned 2035 trade in of the Accord. Maybe start test driving in a year. ;-)

And yes, the Accord is still running pretty good. May take it in for a tune -up next week just to be on the safe side.

I still haven't clay barred and waxed the car yet. We've been getting a lot of rain lately, and I'd like to drive it a couple days in a row without it getting puddle water on it.

Glad you like it and are planning on keeping it for what looks like 15 years. I am probably only going about 400 miles a month, so the E should last about 15 years too. It is nice only having about 1/5th the number of cars on the road these days, I can enjoy the ambiance and the experience of driving it.

houdini1 · May 2020

venture said:

abacomike said:

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

explorerx4 said:
Scotty will post anything to get clicks.
Similarly, driver100 will post anything to raise his number of them.
You may be in to something there. Has anyone seen both driver100 and Scotty at the same time? Coincidence ? Hmmmmmm.

Or has anyone seen driver100 and Batman at the same time, or with Superman at the same time? I'm beginning to think driver100 might have some issues.
You're just beginning to think Driver100 has some issues (with an emphasis on the word "beginning")? I figured that out 6 years ago! 😜🤪🤓🤙
You mean this guy?

That must be Batgirl with him, her arms are bigger than Batman's.

kyfdx · May 2020

When I got the price on replacing a coil, a new A/C unit was an easy choice.

ab348 · May 2020

driver100 said:

Norovirus outbreaks, for the most part are rare and fortunately we have not participated in them. I must say, being on a larger ship is smooth and calm - any gentle rocking you might feel seems to lull one asleep at night. We’ve never gotten the least sea sick or slightly nauseated.

Ships are made so sea sickness rarely happens. Few people get Norovirus but it is torture for those who do.

I dunno... I think maybe I'd rather have norovirus...

https://youtu.be/2iB2HhumffM

Hey, everyone into the pool!

https://youtu.be/ZN1fCiUUJ60

benjaminh · May 2020

stickguy said:
for some reason I got thinking the other day about how my TLX is about the last of the "old school" cars in the premium/luxury segment. No turbo, no funky engine gimmicks (cylinder deactivation or auto stop/start). and at least in the 4 banger version, a normal shift lever. only relatively new tech is the DCT but that has been around for a while. Basically just functions like a traditional car! And probably makes it a good bet if you want to keep it for a decade + and high miles.

Yeah, this is what I'm thinking too. My guess is that the TLX is good for probably at least 150,000 miles of good driving as long as the maintenance is done. Youtube Acura guy Tyson Hugie already has over 220k on his ILX with just regular maintenance. I think the only thing he's had to replace was the starter motor at c. 190k.

suydam · May 2020

It will sell better if there’s a new unit.

explorerx4 · May 2020

We replaced our whole HVAC system about 5 1/2/ years ago.
A/C is very efficient, but was pretty finicky for the first couple of years(froze up) until they got the refrigerant right.
Replacing it will help you sell the house, or at least not be something you'll get dinged for.
We used to average 1200 to 1400 KW for Jun/Jul/Aug. Now 850 to 1000.

houdini1 · May 2020

Michaell said:

graphicguy said:
Well...Murphy's law just went into effect. As soon as I talk about selling my home and downsizing, here comes a "whammy". Twice/year I have either my Central A/C and Furnace tuned up and checked out. A/C guy just left my house.

It's not even hot yet, and the technician pointed out that my condenser was freezing up. That's a sign that the refrigerant is low, and there's a leak. Given it's a closed system it shouldn't leak. The kicker, my system takes R22 refrigerant, which is no longer produced (and hasn't been for a while). He knows a guy, who knows another guy, who can get the R22, at $430/lb. My unit is down about 5 lbs. That's about ½ of what my unit needs to be filled. He said the coil is deteriorating (which is probably the source of the leak) as it's made of copper tubing and the new ones are longer lasting because they're made of aluminum, which doesn't deteriorate nearly as quickly or as badly as copper.

He said I might be able to get by if the temps don't get in the 85ºF range. Southern Ohio? In June, July, August or Sept not hitting 85º. That's not something that will ever happen.

So, refill with R22 for $2,100+ and buy a new coil plus labor (who knows how much that is.)? Or, spend $3,400 and put in a whole new system with a new coil, new R14 refrigerant and with the knowledge I will only benefit from it for maybe a year?

I don't like either choice!
Bite the bullet and get a new system - at the very least, you can advertise it as a feature when you list the house.

$3400. sounds like a bargain.

omarman · May 2020

"I dunno....you wake up to a view similar to this every day.....maybe have a Jacuzzi in your room....see a sunset every night....or maybe white sandy beaches...."

Ok but do they have singalongs?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN94_h7RWZI

explorerx4 · May 2020

Singalong's like that? Probably, if you stay up late enough.

oldfarmer50 · May 2020

graphicguy said:
Well...Murphy's law just went into effect. As soon as I talk about selling my home and downsizing, here comes a "whammy". Twice/year I have either my Central A/C and Furnace tuned up and checked out. A/C guy just left my house.

It's not even hot yet, and the technician pointed out that my condenser was freezing up. That's a sign that the refrigerant is low, and there's a leak. Given it's a closed system it shouldn't leak. The kicker, my system takes R22 refrigerant, which is no longer produced (and hasn't been for a while). He knows a guy, who knows another guy, who can get the R22, at $430/lb. My unit is down about 5 lbs. That's about ½ of what my unit needs to be filled. He said the coil is deteriorating (which is probably the source of the leak) as it's made of copper tubing and the new ones are longer lasting because they're made of aluminum, which doesn't deteriorate nearly as quickly or as badly as copper.

He said I might be able to get by if the temps don't get in the 85ºF range. Southern Ohio? In June, July, August or Sept not hitting 85º. That's not something that will ever happen.

So, refill with R22 for $2,100+ and buy a new coil plus labor (who knows how much that is.)? Or, spend $3,400 and put in a whole new system with a new coil, new R14 refrigerant and with the knowledge I will only benefit from it for maybe a year?

I don't like either choice!

Put the new one in. You won’t suffer this summer, it will increase the salability of your house and if selling the house goes sideways you won’t be stuck in a hot box with a busted AC.

driver100 · May 2020

houdini1 said:

venture said:

abacomike said:

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

explorerx4 said:
Scotty will post anything to get clicks.
Similarly, driver100 will post anything to raise his number of them.
You may be in to something there. Has anyone seen both driver100 and Scotty at the same time? Coincidence ? Hmmmmmm.

Or has anyone seen driver100 and Batman at the same time, or with Superman at the same time? I'm beginning to think driver100 might have some issues.
You're just beginning to think Driver100 has some issues (with an emphasis on the word "beginning")? I figured that out 6 years ago! 😜🤪🤓🤙
You mean this guy?

That must be Batgirl with him, her arms are bigger than Batman's.

That's just an illusion because of the black sleeves......compared to sleeveless, and a light color is more slimming. Also, she is closer to the camera. She has on a sweater that is bulkier, besides that...................

driver100 · May 2020

ab348"

I dunno... I think maybe I'd rather have norovirus..

. :

Hey, everyone into the pool!

In the first one that only happens in the Mediterranean during storm season which you should avoid.
In the second one that young lady jumped in the pool....rather take my chances joining her than getting norovirus.

driver100 · May 2020

omarman said:
"I dunno....you wake up to a view similar to this every day.....maybe have a Jacuzzi in your room....see a sunset every night....or maybe white sandy beaches...."

Ok but do they have singalongs?

lol............Looks like a lot of fun!......NOT!

imidazol97 · May 2020

jipster said:

driver100 said:

jipster said:

qbrozen said:

jipster said:

suydam said:
I personally have no interest in cruises, but some good friends really like them and go on them all the time.
Went on my first cruise a couple of years ago. It was fairly entertaining. Almost got in a brawl with some idiot who made a inappropriate pass at my sister in law. My brother in law saw it happen, went up to this mid 20's guy and told him he would....kick his @#$. I had been drinking a tad, a tad!... and didn't know what had happened at that point, but tried to calm my bil down, got him to back off. After 20 minutes the guy comes back over and says he wants to fight us....back in his cabin....or ours, he don't care! After 5 minute of those 2 jawing back and fourth, with me trying to be the peacemaker, I was able to get security and get things settled down. Seriously thought I'd end up having to fight some guy half my age...and sorry to say, don't think I would have won....or lived to tell about it.

Besides the crowds everywhere, the puny cabin... the cruise was a fairly good time. But, not something I'd want to make a habit of. Saw the ruins of Chichen Itzu. Snorkeling in Cosemel.(sp) Suppose to go on another cruise in December, but don't think it'll happen.
The guy wanted to go back to his cabin or yours? Sounds like he was hitting on YOU.
I think he wanted.to be "hitting" on both of us.

I assumed this goon was cognizant of all the security cameras around and didn't want to end up in some Mexican jail....again.
Jip, Glad you survived that possible rumble aboard the cruise ship.
But....how is the new Accord running? Are you keeping it?
LOL. Yeah, I'll probably keep it. Though I may go ahead and start the new car buying process in a couple weeks, for my planned 2035 trade in of the Accord. Maybe start test driving in a year. ;-)

And yes, the Accord is still running pretty good. May take it in for a tune -up next week just to be on the safe side.

I still haven't clay barred and waxed the car yet. We've been getting a lot of rain lately, and I'd like to drive it a couple days in a row without it getting puddle water on it.

How are the wipers working?

imidazol97 · May 2020

@graphicguy
A newer mid level and up unit should have a much higher efficiency.

imidazol97 · May 2020

kyfdx said:
When I got the price on replacing a coil, a new A/C unit was an easy choice.

I may have told this, but our unit lasted 23 years. Lennox, up one step from bottom but single speed.

I replaced inside fan motor. $500
I replaced outside unit motor $200?
I replaced inside regulator valve $400?
Then later the outside regulator valve was needing replaced.

I was a slow learner. I should have just replaced the whole system when
the inside fan went after 12 or 14 years.

imidazol97 · May 2020

Since @graphicguy mentioned air conditioning, I took the 15 Cruze to the dealer for repair on the AC.
It wouldn't come on. I assumed it has lost freon but it was working nicely last fall when
I had it while he flew somewhere on business. So I thought there may have been some
trauma to the evaporator coil or something causing a leak.

Tech spent time. When I switched on unit the car seemed to know the controls
inside was asking for AC, because the engine speed and tone changed slightly with
the richer mixture. But no radiator cooling fans came on. No compressor came
on with the usual click.

Bad compressor. $1200 for replacement and filter and flushing the lines to remove
detritus from the internal failure. The compressor was likely leaking freon.

Sad day.

abacomike · May 2020

TV has gotten so bad I decided to watch the entire "Game Of Thrones" presentation on HBO. The first several seasons seemed almost new to me because, since I know how it all ends, much of the dialogue makes more sense to me.

Truly appreciating that series again as I watch the episodes with renewed interest.

andres3 · May 2020

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

That 191 MPH maniac has a greater chance of killing you rear-ending you at your "speed limit or just above driving" than they do rear-ending the other speed maniac going 155 MPH, whereby the collision force is only 36 MPH.
don't be to sure about that, sure that 191 mph car hits the 155 mph car at a speed of 36 mph relative to the 155 mph car, but that car is still going 155 mph. A 3k to 4k pound car doing 155 mph has a lot of kinetic energy stored up in it that will have to be released in the accident. It's not the same as hitting a stationary car at 36 mph.
Oh, I'm sure about it, probably to 5 confidence intervals. I acknowledge getting rear ended while driving 155 MPH will be an unpleasant experience, but I assure you, it won't be as unpleasant as getting rear ended by a guy going 190 MPH if your only going 65 MPH. You better hope you have the much bigger heavier and/or better built car!
Really? In both cases people in both cars are equally dead.
Nonsense, after getting hit with a force of 36 MPH, you simply come to a stop in a straight line; I seriously doubt a 36 MPH collision will cause brake failure. I think it's a fair assumption at these high speeds everyone was going in a straight line, so there's no reason to assume any force would be exerted to your sides.
There is really nothing simple driving north of 150. At 155 aerodynamics are in play and you dont have the grip you would have at half that speed and you are far less stable. At those speeds anything that disturbs the car, ever so slight, could make it a very bad day for you. Getting hit from behind at that speed your coming to a stop alright but if you do it by braking it's your lucky day. In racing cars going that fast regularly crash being hit at speed differences of only a few miles per hour. The physics dont agree with you.
You forgot Newton's laws in your Physics. That which is going in a straight line will tend to continue in a straight line. So you agree with me if the speed differences are a "few miles per hour" but disagree that 36 MPH is not a minor collision, OK. We can agree to disagree. These are crumple zones colliding at 36, not brick walls. So where's your line of a "few MPH?" 10 MPH delta? Also, the types of cars capable of going 155 or 190 MPH especially aren't the type that instantly lose control when they get tapped on the butt. Of course, someone suggested a Soul could go 150; I don't buy it.

I can personally attest that my vehicle is very stable at 140 MPH, mechanical spoiler up at that speed with down-force and all. I honestly believe it'll take a side impact vector to make me lose control, but again, I have the proper tires for 140 safe speeds too.
I am very familiar with the first law of motion which states that an object in motion stays in motion at the same direction and speed unless acted on by an outside force. Now ignoring all the other outside forces affecting the vehicle anothe car hitting it at a speed difference of 35 MPH is an outside force acting on it. Now will that impact just cause the slower vehicle just to go forward, likely not. The center of gravity of both vehicles must match exactly in height, horizontally and in direction which would be hard to achieve especially considering that the driver in the striking vehicle tries to avoid the collision. And even if it does match there are the other forces acting on the car, especially how the driver reacts when struck.

I am glad you have a car that violates the laws of physics because cars will lose stability as speed increases.

So when a "low speed" ... let's say 40 MPH and under car loses control or "stability" and crashes, how do you explain that? An example is the M4 that had incorrect tire pressures blamed by the driver after a C&C event and drove over a center median curb. Many Mustang videos abound.

Could losing control of a car have more to do with the driver's inabilities than the speed itself, or is that a myth?

I didn't claim I had the same stability at 140 MPH as at 4 MPH, but it'll take more than a rear bump to send me out of control. It isn't at the very limits of stability, is my argument. Not on the edge.

andres3 · May 2020

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

ab348 said:

andres3 said:
Examples of Newton's laws of Physics in rearend collisions:
https://youtu.be/nxRVYBQJihw about 30 seconds in

https://youtu.be/jcTF-hOy_EA

https://youtu.be/za-PZ85rdUE (warning, language after being hit by negligent driver).

https://youtu.be/1Yl7dWZCADA

Example (admittedly not the best) that you don't have to sit still when about to be hit:

https://youtu.be/vf3ygvpAzBo

So this is why you don't want to have a top speed limiter, as it could cause you to get hit instead of avoiding a collision.

All of you really need to watch crash compilation videos on You Tube, it's what You Tube was invented for! LOL!

It was extremely hard to find videos of higher speed rear end collisions. This indicates to me that higher speed rear end collisions are extremely rare, particularly between two fast moving cars. Almost all of them are caused by a slowing or stopped vehicle failing to slow or stop for that other vehicle. Without slow moving or stopped cars, rear end collisions become a "fantasy" of the myth believing "speed kills" crowd.

I also see no evidence of this mysterious side-vector force, not even a hint. If you've seen it before, most likely you are witnessing anything but a straight line impact, or the fact that someone had their front tires turned already waiting to turn (which is a driver error you should have learned in Driving 102 basics).

Andres, you can continue to be a jackwagon on this subject and bombard the forums with your arguments and “data” that convinces nobody but you. I don’t know what motivates your behaviour here but I hope it is something other than that you enjoy getting reactions and annoying people. By now it should be clear to you that you haven’t convinced anyone. I’d hope that would result in you getting off your one-man bandwagon, but seemingly you are oblivious.

I have found your behaviour here over time to be worthy of action by TPTB based on my experiences elsewhere, but for whatever reason, that has not happened here. So since the mods are disinclined to do anything, I would suggest to the members here other than you that we simply ignore you and your posts going forward, regardless of subject. If nobody responds, you will be talking to yourself. Presumably that will be somewhat unsatisfying for you. Or you can behave like a reasonable person for a change.

It’s up to you.
If you want to stick your head in the sand, and ignore reality, the truth, and obvious data and examples of real world video proof, that's on you.

This is no one-man bandwagon. There are only a couple posters here that use common straw man and red herring logic to perpetuate the myth that speed kills. Most just stay out of it rather than look foolish. I've heard all these silly "examples" before; it's nothing new.

I even said this whole make-believe theoretical example of someone going 190 MPH hitting someone going 155 MPH in a rear-end was ridiculous as it would almost certainly never happen in the real world, but I indulged the fantasies of some here and ran with it anyway. Of course, the person that thought up the fantasy hadn't considered that the slow moving car is far more likely to get hit in the first place, at all, than someone going a "similar" high speed as them, but I ignored the likelihood of a collision (see Solomon Curve for yourself), and just addressed the presumption both would automatically be deadly.

The goal/motivation is to improve the fatality rates in the USA to more closely resemble Germany's, which are half of ours. Some like the status quo, but I believe there's lots of room for improvements, and repeating the same mistakes of the past or keeping the status quo is not the way to get there IMHO.
First of all I can sayThere is a poster here that use common straw man and red herring logic to perpetuate the myth that high speeds are safe.

Second since the U.S. and Germany are in no way similar and vary greatly on factors that determine fatality rates the U.S. will never get to Germanys levels.

No way similar? You are going to have to defend that statement. In what ways are the US and Germany different? Are we different species? Are Germans not human? Are German cars so much better? Are German cars not available for purchase in the US?

No, that can't be it. Rural vs. Urban area? Cell phone availability? Cost of gasoline? What are these vast differences where there are no similarities?

If high speeds were not safe, every race car driver would already be dead 100 times over by now. Sure, a few race car drivers are dead, but if high speeds were not safe, all of them would be dead by now. Every....single....one.

venture · May 2020

My Subaru sales guy called this afternoon. They have the car I asked him to let me know about if they ever got one in. Evidently someone ordered it, but it took so long to get here that he bought something else.

That's their story anyway.

I will probably test drive it tomorrow. I was hoping they would have got one in sooner. The 2021's will be out in 4 months, but I doubt they will change much.

They have 0% interest financing until June 1 if I decide to get it, and if I decide to finance it. I guess for 0% I would be foolish not to finance it. This is the dealer that always wants to steal your trade.

The main thing holding me back is the 3.6 liter, 6 cylinder engine in mine now. I sort of hate to give it up.

Legacy Touring XT.

explorerx4 · May 2020

XT has same engine as your Ascent?

stickguy · May 2020

pretty much the same turbo engine. not sure if they tune it at all differently though.

28firefighter · May 2020

venture said:
My Subaru sales guy called this afternoon. They have the car I asked him to let me know about if they ever got one in. Evidently someone ordered it, but it took so long to get here that he bought something else.

That's their story anyway.

I will probably test drive it tomorrow. I was hoping they would have got one in sooner. The 2021's will be out in 4 months, but I doubt they will change much.

They have 0% interest financing until June 1 if I decide to get it, and if I decide to finance it. I guess for 0% I would be foolish not to finance it. This is the dealer that always wants to steal your trade.

The main thing holding me back is the 3.6 liter, 6 cylinder engine in mine now. I sort of hate to give it up.

Legacy Touring XT.

Love the new Legacy Touring XT for a large sedan. Interior is a massive upgrade over the previous generation.

Two things to make sure don’t bother you:
(1) The infotainment for the first MY is supposedly a bit glitchy sometimes. I didn’t notice it when I drove the new outback, but make sure you’re OK with it.

(2) The auto start-stop. It cannot be permanently disabled from the UI and requires several menu presses to disable every time you startup. This was new for the XT and not something that was on the 3.6 motors.

venture · May 2020

explorerx4 said:
XT has same engine as your Ascent?

Yes. 2.4 liter turbo. The Ascent moves along pretty well for a big toad. The Legacy won't be a redlight champion, but should move along fairly well.

verdugo · May 2020

abacomike said:

verdugo said:

benjaminh said:

verdugo said:
I'm baaaaaaaaaaaack. ....
Welcome back!
Thank you!
Verdugo, it's great to see you again. What have you been up to? 😛

Good to see everybody is still around. Same old, same old. Getting new cars, but not nearly as often as you.

venture · May 2020

28firefighter said:

venture said:
My Subaru sales guy called this afternoon. They have the car I asked him to let me know about if they ever got one in. Evidently someone ordered it, but it took so long to get here that he bought something else.

That's their story anyway.

I will probably test drive it tomorrow. I was hoping they would have got one in sooner. The 2021's will be out in 4 months, but I doubt they will change much.

They have 0% interest financing until June 1 if I decide to get it, and if I decide to finance it. I guess for 0% I would be foolish not to finance it. This is the dealer that always wants to steal your trade.

The main thing holding me back is the 3.6 liter, 6 cylinder engine in mine now. I sort of hate to give it up.

Legacy Touring XT.
Love the new Legacy Touring XT for a large sedan. Interior is a massive upgrade over the previous generation.

Two things to make sure don’t bother you:
(1) The infotainment for the first MY is supposedly a bit glitchy sometimes. I didn’t notice it when I drove the new outback, but make sure you’re OK with it.

(2) The auto start-stop. It cannot be permanently disabled from the UI and requires several menu presses to disable every time you startup. This was new for the XT and not something that was on the 3.6 motors.

I haven't looked in person, but it looks the same as the one in the Ascent which has been fine. No complaints from the driver.

I've driven other cars with stop/start. I must be one of the few where it doesn't bother me.

Thanks for the heads up.

28firefighter · May 2020

venture said:

28firefighter said:

venture said:
My Subaru sales guy called this afternoon. They have the car I asked him to let me know about if they ever got one in. Evidently someone ordered it, but it took so long to get here that he bought something else.

That's their story anyway.

I will probably test drive it tomorrow. I was hoping they would have got one in sooner. The 2021's will be out in 4 months, but I doubt they will change much.

They have 0% interest financing until June 1 if I decide to get it, and if I decide to finance it. I guess for 0% I would be foolish not to finance it. This is the dealer that always wants to steal your trade.

The main thing holding me back is the 3.6 liter, 6 cylinder engine in mine now. I sort of hate to give it up.

Legacy Touring XT.
Love the new Legacy Touring XT for a large sedan. Interior is a massive upgrade over the previous generation.

Two things to make sure don’t bother you:
(1) The infotainment for the first MY is supposedly a bit glitchy sometimes. I didn’t notice it when I drove the new outback, but make sure you’re OK with it.

(2) The auto start-stop. It cannot be permanently disabled from the UI and requires several menu presses to disable every time you startup. This was new for the XT and not something that was on the 3.6 motors.
I haven't looked in person, but it looks the same as the one in the Ascent which has been fine. No complaints from the driver.

I've driven other cars with stop/start. I must be one of the few where it doesn't bother me.

Thanks for the heads up.

Infotainment is a bit different from Ascent. They went to a large vertical touchscreen tablet design (think Volvo style). The Ascent has a more traditional head unit with buttons, I think.

snakeweasel · May 2020

carnaught said:
Well, in other news, another from some of our childhoods, Eddie Haskell (Ken Osmond), dies at age 76.

Sad to hear that, Eddie Haskell was an iconic character and Ken Osmond played him well. Can you imagine Eddie Haskell as a police officer?

oldfarmer50 · May 2020

imidazol97 said:
Since @graphicguy mentioned air conditioning, I took the 15 Cruze to the dealer for repair on the AC.
It wouldn't come on. I assumed it has lost freon but it was working nicely last fall when
I had it while he flew somewhere on business. So I thought there may have been some
trauma to the evaporator coil or something causing a leak.

Tech spent time. When I switched on unit the car seemed to know the controls
inside was asking for AC, because the engine speed and tone changed slightly with
the richer mixture. But no radiator cooling fans came on. No compressor came
on with the usual click.

Bad compressor. $1200 for replacement and filter and flushing the lines to remove
detritus from the internal failure. The compressor was likely leaking freon.

Sad day.

The old PT Crusier wasn’t cooling right and it turned out to be a bad cooling fan. Even thought the engine temp registered normal I was told the AC system overheated and the pressure forced the freon out through the seals. I never heard such a thing but replacing the fan and a recharge fixed it right up. The AC guy said it was down 40%.

oldfarmer50 · May 2020

venture said:
My Subaru sales guy called this afternoon. They have the car I asked him to let me know about if they ever got one in. Evidently someone ordered it, but it took so long to get here that he bought something else.

That's their story anyway.

I will probably test drive it tomorrow. I was hoping they would have got one in sooner. The 2021's will be out in 4 months, but I doubt they will change much.

They have 0% interest financing until June 1 if I decide to get it, and if I decide to finance it. I guess for 0% I would be foolish not to finance it. This is the dealer that always wants to steal your trade.

The main thing holding me back is the 3.6 liter, 6 cylinder engine in mine now. I sort of hate to give it up.

Legacy Touring XT.

If the ‘21s are the same as the ‘20s why wouldn’t you take the current model assuming they give you a killer deal?

Only reason not to would be the difference in depreciation if you trade it in in a few years.

stickguy · May 2020

the OB XT we drove was very nice. I was trying to nudge the wife that direction. Ultimately she nixed it because it was to "wagony" for her. But the stop/start (she really was not comfortable with it) bothered her, and when we found out there wasn't a simple button to push like on all the other cars we looked at, she likely was taking it off the list anyway.

driver100 · May 2020

I'm glad I can turn off the OFF/ON. I press the start button, put shift lever in drive, then my hand slides down to turn off the OFF/ON automatically. It's bad enough in a 6 cyl car.....imagine it is worse with 4 cylinders, that little shutter motion. Probably hard on the starter too...even if it is heavy duty, something else that will break down sooner.

stickguy · May 2020

the RDX has it. I found it interesting that when we did not use it much it wouldn't go on even after driving around town for a bit. But when we did a 40 mile highway run to Delaware, it would kick in as soon as we stopped. Not too bad in that car, just a small shudder, so I don't bother to turn it off most of the time, but will if we are in a spot where we will be stopping and starting repeatedly. It is ok when you have just an occasional long light. If I am sitting there for 1-2 minutes, fine. but not for 15 seconds.

stickguy · May 2020

speaking of the new car, I found a few oddities with what Acura did between the 19 and 20. Mostly the same controls/buttons (E brake, stereo on steering wheel), but they set them up differently. The electronic parking brake on the RDX for some reason in on the dash (lower left, where stuff like the trunk release, BLIS switch, Traction control are). The TLX has same pull/push button. On the TLX, it works logically, like a hand brake handle. Pull it up to put on, push it down to turn off. But on the RDX, you push it down (well, into the dash since it is vertical) to put on, and pull toward you to take off. Since it is reversed from my car, I keep trying it the wrong way.

The radio control they changed too. there is a wheel the spins, or you can push left or right. on the TLX, L/R changes presets, and you spin the wheel to change volume. Super simple, and 1 place to touch. The RDX has the same exact wheel in the same spot. L/R for presets. But next to it is a toggle for volume. But, the wheel still spins, but I don't think it controls anything. So of course, in that car, I keep spinning the wheel to nowhere trying to change the volume!

Yes, picky little things that you can easily live with. But just seems that one reason to double up on a brand, is to get controls that are the same car to car!

snakeweasel · May 2020

andres3 said:

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

ab348 said:

andres3 said:
Examples of Newton's laws of Physics in rearend collisions:
https://youtu.be/nxRVYBQJihw about 30 seconds in

https://youtu.be/jcTF-hOy_EA

https://youtu.be/za-PZ85rdUE (warning, language after being hit by negligent driver).

https://youtu.be/1Yl7dWZCADA

Example (admittedly not the best) that you don't have to sit still when about to be hit:

https://youtu.be/vf3ygvpAzBo

So this is why you don't want to have a top speed limiter, as it could cause you to get hit instead of avoiding a collision.

All of you really need to watch crash compilation videos on You Tube, it's what You Tube was invented for! LOL!

It was extremely hard to find videos of higher speed rear end collisions. This indicates to me that higher speed rear end collisions are extremely rare, particularly between two fast moving cars. Almost all of them are caused by a slowing or stopped vehicle failing to slow or stop for that other vehicle. Without slow moving or stopped cars, rear end collisions become a "fantasy" of the myth believing "speed kills" crowd.

I also see no evidence of this mysterious side-vector force, not even a hint. If you've seen it before, most likely you are witnessing anything but a straight line impact, or the fact that someone had their front tires turned already waiting to turn (which is a driver error you should have learned in Driving 102 basics).

Andres, you can continue to be a jackwagon on this subject and bombard the forums with your arguments and “data” that convinces nobody but you. I don’t know what motivates your behaviour here but I hope it is something other than that you enjoy getting reactions and annoying people. By now it should be clear to you that you haven’t convinced anyone. I’d hope that would result in you getting off your one-man bandwagon, but seemingly you are oblivious.

I have found your behaviour here over time to be worthy of action by TPTB based on my experiences elsewhere, but for whatever reason, that has not happened here. So since the mods are disinclined to do anything, I would suggest to the members here other than you that we simply ignore you and your posts going forward, regardless of subject. If nobody responds, you will be talking to yourself. Presumably that will be somewhat unsatisfying for you. Or you can behave like a reasonable person for a change.

It’s up to you.
If you want to stick your head in the sand, and ignore reality, the truth, and obvious data and examples of real world video proof, that's on you.

This is no one-man bandwagon. There are only a couple posters here that use common straw man and red herring logic to perpetuate the myth that speed kills. Most just stay out of it rather than look foolish. I've heard all these silly "examples" before; it's nothing new.

I even said this whole make-believe theoretical example of someone going 190 MPH hitting someone going 155 MPH in a rear-end was ridiculous as it would almost certainly never happen in the real world, but I indulged the fantasies of some here and ran with it anyway. Of course, the person that thought up the fantasy hadn't considered that the slow moving car is far more likely to get hit in the first place, at all, than someone going a "similar" high speed as them, but I ignored the likelihood of a collision (see Solomon Curve for yourself), and just addressed the presumption both would automatically be deadly.

The goal/motivation is to improve the fatality rates in the USA to more closely resemble Germany's, which are half of ours. Some like the status quo, but I believe there's lots of room for improvements, and repeating the same mistakes of the past or keeping the status quo is not the way to get there IMHO.
First of all I can sayThere is a poster here that use common straw man and red herring logic to perpetuate the myth that high speeds are safe.

Second since the U.S. and Germany are in no way similar and vary greatly on factors that determine fatality rates the U.S. will never get to Germanys levels.
No way similar? You are going to have to defend that statement. In what ways are the US and Germany different? Are we different species? Are Germans not human? Are German cars so much better? Are German cars not available for purchase in the US?

No, that can't be it. Rural vs. Urban area? Cell phone availability? Cost of gasoline? What are these vast differences where there are no similarities?

If high speeds were not safe, every race car driver would already be dead 100 times over by now. Sure, a few race car drivers are dead, but if high speeds were not safe, all of them would be dead by now. Every....single....one.

You got me there everyone everywhere is exactly the same.

OK I'll ignore the obvious differences such as driver training/licensing and traffic enforcement, both of which wouldn't fly here in the U.S. I'll touch on two other important differences that have a big impact. First is that the U.S. is far more car reliant than Germany, Germans have a lower auto ownership rate and on average drive about half the distance that we do here and are more reliant on public transportation even for long trips. So Americans are far more likely to make long trips by car, this results in the U.S. having more fatigued drivers. Fatigued drivers are more prone to be in accidents.

Another thing to consider is that Germany has a much higher population density than the U.S. (600 people per square mile vs 87). What this means is that the higher the population density the more numerous facilities to support that population including EMS and hospitals. Remember we have vast areas where the population density is in the single digits. Get into a serious accident in the middle of Nebraska and it might be a while till you get medical attention. In Germany you dont have to drive through large sparsely populated areas to get between population centers.

Now if you dont think driving faster is more dangerous tell me why does the unlimited speed sections of the autobahn have almost twice the fatality rate of the sections that have a speed limit.

ab348 · May 2020

Please take this private or do not engage at all. Please.

cdnpinhead · May 2020

You need to get yourself one of the industrial-grade water-cooled scroll devices like the one I have. It gets a good workout on this board.

suydam · May 2020

ab348 said:
Please take this private or do not engage at all. Please.

+1

sda · May 2020

Familiarity with controls is one thing I’ve appreciated with the multiple Honda/Acuras we’ve owned. I could essentially get in and drive with little study of the controls as the configuration was the same. In the Audi I have to make a conscious effort to remember the fuel door is on the right and not on the left. The redundant volume control for the radio is on the right, not the left. The cruise control lever is a stalk behind the turn signal lever and somehow I reach for the turn signal lever and signal right instead of adjusting the speed for the cruise control. And most frustrating is flubbing the wipers. In the Hondas push up for a single swipe, and down for int, low, high. In the Audi it’s the opposite. I know If I drove the Audi more the controls would become second nature and they eventually will.

laurasdada · May 2020

Put me in the enjoy cruising category. Perhaps it was the post-Labor Day time frame, and perhaps being on the largest current cruise ship in the world, but crowds were not a problem. We had a lovely cabin with big windows and a balcony. Wonderful entertainment ("Hairspray"), and, of course, food. I am far from a gourmand, but there was not a meal on board that wasn't thoroughly enjoyed. And, did I mention the unlimited soft serve ice cream?

Due to hurricane season, our Eastern Caribbean cruise became a Western Caribbean cruise; other than the reroute, weather was not a factor. So, instead of tourning Old San Juan and St. Maarten we spent a (long) day touring the Mayan ruins of Tulum (dock in Cozumel, water taxi to Playa del Carmen, bus to Tulum). Followed by a private lunch/beach outing (the lunch food was merely adequate; not really enough time to eat/swim). We did spend one day at Royal Carribbean's island in Haiti, with big BBQ lunch. And, one day at their new private island in the Bahamas (IIRC), that was definately a step up from Haiti. Here's a tip, on their Coco Cay island, the "half day" ticket for the water park starts at 11am and will save you $$$ vs. full day ticket.

For all our good intent, we did not run/walk the track around the deck. We did not go to the gym. We certainly did not say "no" to food. Yet, we each lost a pound or two; likely thanks to the size of the ship (walking) and using stairs vs. elevators.

However, with the new world order, the GF said it will be a long time before she boards a cruise ship again. Que lastima.

venture · May 2020

28firefighter said:

venture said:

28firefighter said:

venture said:
My Subaru sales guy called this afternoon. They have the car I asked him to let me know about if they ever got one in. Evidently someone ordered it, but it took so long to get here that he bought something else.

That's their story anyway.

I will probably test drive it tomorrow. I was hoping they would have got one in sooner. The 2021's will be out in 4 months, but I doubt they will change much.

They have 0% interest financing until June 1 if I decide to get it, and if I decide to finance it. I guess for 0% I would be foolish not to finance it. This is the dealer that always wants to steal your trade.

The main thing holding me back is the 3.6 liter, 6 cylinder engine in mine now. I sort of hate to give it up.

Legacy Touring XT.
Love the new Legacy Touring XT for a large sedan. Interior is a massive upgrade over the previous generation.

Two things to make sure don’t bother you:
(1) The infotainment for the first MY is supposedly a bit glitchy sometimes. I didn’t notice it when I drove the new outback, but make sure you’re OK with it.

(2) The auto start-stop. It cannot be permanently disabled from the UI and requires several menu presses to disable every time you startup. This was new for the XT and not something that was on the 3.6 motors.
I haven't looked in person, but it looks the same as the one in the Ascent which has been fine. No complaints from the driver.

I've driven other cars with stop/start. I must be one of the few where it doesn't bother me.

Thanks for the heads up.
Infotainment is a bit different from Ascent. They went to a large vertical touchscreen tablet design (think Volvo style). The Ascent has a more traditional head unit with buttons, I think.

I see what you mean. The Ascent has an 8" screen while the Legacy has an 11.6" screen.

Ascent

Legacy

I guess everything will be clearer when I drive it today.

venture · May 2020

oldfarmer50 said:

venture said:
My Subaru sales guy called this afternoon. They have the car I asked him to let me know about if they ever got one in. Evidently someone ordered it, but it took so long to get here that he bought something else.

That's their story anyway.

I will probably test drive it tomorrow. I was hoping they would have got one in sooner. The 2021's will be out in 4 months, but I doubt they will change much.

They have 0% interest financing until June 1 if I decide to get it, and if I decide to finance it. I guess for 0% I would be foolish not to finance it. This is the dealer that always wants to steal your trade.

The main thing holding me back is the 3.6 liter, 6 cylinder engine in mine now. I sort of hate to give it up.

Legacy Touring XT.
If the ‘21s are the same as the ‘20s why wouldn’t you take the current model assuming they give you a killer deal?

Only reason not to would be the difference in depreciation if you trade it in in a few years.

I'm assuming they will not change much. The Legacy had a major update recently.

I get antsy every two to three years.

jmonroe1 · May 2020

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

explorerx4 said:
Scotty will post anything to get clicks.
Similarly, driver100 will post anything to raise his number of them.
You may be in to something there. Has anyone seen both driver100 and Scotty at the same time? Coincidence ? Hmmmmmm.

Or has anyone seen driver100 and Batman at the same time, or with Superman at the same time? I'm beginning to think driver100 might have some issues.

You’re way behind the rest of us in here with your thinking.

jmonroe

ab348 · May 2020

sda said:
Familiarity with controls is one thing I’ve appreciated with the multiple Honda/Acuras we’ve owned. I could essentially get in and drive with little study of the controls as the configuration was the same. In the Audi I have to make a conscious effort to remember the fuel door is on the right and not on the left. The redundant volume control for the radio is on the right, not the left. The cruise control lever is a stalk behind the turn signal lever and somehow I reach for the turn signal lever and signal right instead of adjusting the speed for the cruise control. And most frustrating is flubbing the wipers. In the Hondas push up for a single swipe, and down for int, low, high. In the Audi it’s the opposite. I know If I drove the Audi more the controls would become second nature and they eventually will.

What you described as being the situation with the Audi is exactly the same as with my ATS and I think with all current GM models, except for the cruise control being on a stalk (typically they are buttons on the steering wheel with GM).

jmonroe1 · May 2020

driver100 said:

roadburner said:

imidazol97 said:
Scotty needs to be banned from here. PC. I watched the wiper blade video.

So many scientifically untrue, untested statements. LOL. He even throws in some conspiracy theory about how the stores don't want to sell them because they wouldn't get to make smaller profits per time from selling many more inferior rubber wiper blades more often to the unsuspecting public. That's right there next to the 100-miles per gallon carburetor some car company hid away after buying the patent for it back in the 50s.'

This guy's awful.

As I've said before, he is a complete and utter tool.
.....an utter fool....who probably makes $200 grand a year! Call me crazy, I don't care if I can rake in that kind of dough.

There you go talking about money. I’m pretty sure @roadburner was talking about something dairy farmers use.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50 · May 2020

venture said:

oldfarmer50 said:

venture said:
My Subaru sales guy called this afternoon. They have the car I asked him to let me know about if they ever got one in. Evidently someone ordered it, but it took so long to get here that he bought something else.

That's their story anyway.

I will probably test drive it tomorrow. I was hoping they would have got one in sooner. The 2021's will be out in 4 months, but I doubt they will change much.

They have 0% interest financing until June 1 if I decide to get it, and if I decide to finance it. I guess for 0% I would be foolish not to finance it. This is the dealer that always wants to steal your trade.

The main thing holding me back is the 3.6 liter, 6 cylinder engine in mine now. I sort of hate to give it up.

Legacy Touring XT.
If the ‘21s are the same as the ‘20s why wouldn’t you take the current model assuming they give you a killer deal?

Only reason not to would be the difference in depreciation if you trade it in in a few years.
I'm assuming they will not change much. The Legacy had a major update recently.

I get antsy every two to three years.

That’s a consideration then. The ‘20 will be worth less at trade-in time. On the other hand, Subies retain their value rather well. Drive it over to Vermont and you’ll have to beat buyers off with a stick.

jmonroe1 · May 2020

verdugo said:

benjaminh said:

verdugo said:
I'm baaaaaaaaaaaack. ....
Welcome back!
Thank you!

Good to have you back. I wondered what happened to you and just figured you got tired of watching @driver100 rack up posts.

jmonroe

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