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andres3

On another topic, Tesla loses again:

https://youtu.be/RFSOoCY27eY

Worse, Tesla doesn't seem to honor warranties. They also seem to think that as long as the vehicle moves forward at 1 MPH under it's own power, that's good enough, even if it takes 10 minutes to get up to 1 MPH. I exaggerate, but based on this one story that seems to be their line of argument.

Michaell

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

roadburner said:

graphicguy said:

roadburner said:

On the TV front, I'm going with either a 75" Samsung Q90T or a 75" Sony 950H. Sadly, the Q90T is actually a downgrade from last year's Q90. Even sadder, I can still get an 82" Q90- but it's $1,500 more than the 75" Q90T.

If you give me a vote, I say go with the Sony. I like their video processor in their TVs. And, every Sony I’ve owned has been rock solid.

That's the way I'm leaning. Plus, Sony has DV, Samsung just has HDR10+

Gee all this talk about high tech TV's and I am watching most of my shows on my laptop.

We have a 55 inch TV. If the picture is too big you see every pore and pimple

I shudder to think what you're watching that a big TV would show that level of detail.

I mean - there are "close ups", and then there are "CLOSE UPS".

stickguy

Dr. Pimple popper?

snakeweasel

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

mjfloyd1 said:

So you thought it was worthwhile to screw yourself.

Probably would have been worthwhile to work through your lunch break and then leave work early.

Case closed.

You should have heard about the watch he tried to return to CVS without a receipt. He wanted them to find the video footage of when he bought the watch. Maybe the garage has a video of the returning of the keyss!

Now you are embellishing that story. First, it was Rite Aid, I have nothing against CVS.

Second, the argument wasn't about accepting the return, it was about giving me what I paid for it, or what the manager preferred, giving me the reduced sale price, the sale price that started 1 hour earlier when they had opened just that morning. That was the crux of my argument, unless they thought I came in earlier that same day, and bought the watch, and then returned to give it back all within an hour or 2, that they should give me the proper full refund.

Well, we should learn from our mistakes....and what we should learn here is to always get a receipt and keep it for awhile. You could be honest and most people are, but a business has to be cautious and a receipt is the legal proof.

There's cautious, and then there's the ridiculous and obtuse.

Knowing the sale started when they opened their doors that very same day, a reasonable policy would be to have at least a 24 hour buffer period before slashing someone's refund amount.

So then someone could buy the item on sale atone store, drive over to another store and return it to another store a half hour later and demand full price because you don't have a receipt?

andres3 said:

I don't shop at stores without a return policy, so that sort of goes without saying. Calling it a courtesy is a bit much when not giving refunds for returned merchandise would be an anomaly in the retail field.

Haven't you ever seen a sign that says all sales final? Especially if you are getting closeout merchandise.

driver100

Michaell said:

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

roadburner said:

graphicguy said:

roadburner said:

On the TV front, I'm going with either a 75" Samsung Q90T or a 75" Sony 950H. Sadly, the Q90T is actually a downgrade from last year's Q90. Even sadder, I can still get an 82" Q90- but it's $1,500 more than the 75" Q90T.

If you give me a vote, I say go with the Sony. I like their video processor in their TVs. And, every Sony I’ve owned has been rock solid.

That's the way I'm leaning. Plus, Sony has DV, Samsung just has HDR10+

Gee all this talk about high tech TV's and I am watching most of my shows on my laptop.

We have a 55 inch TV. If the picture is too big you see every pore and pimple

I shudder to think what you're watching that a big TV would show that level of detail.

I mean - there are "close ups", and then there are "CLOSE UPS".

A bit of an exaggeration, but I have seen rashes that I wouldn't have seen on say a 40 inch screen, especially if for example I happen to walk by 2 feet from the TV..

driver100

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

mjfloyd1 said:

So you thought it was worthwhile to screw yourself.

Probably would have been worthwhile to work through your lunch break and then leave work early.

Case closed.

You should have heard about the watch he tried to return to CVS without a receipt. He wanted them to find the video footage of when he bought the watch. Maybe the garage has a video of the returning of the keyss!

Now you are embellishing that story. First, it was Rite Aid, I have nothing against CVS.

Second, the argument wasn't about accepting the return, it was about giving me what I paid for it, or what the manager preferred, giving me the reduced sale price, the sale price that started 1 hour earlier when they had opened just that morning. That was the crux of my argument, unless they thought I came in earlier that same day, and bought the watch, and then returned to give it back all within an hour or 2, that they should give me the proper full refund.

Well, we should learn from our mistakes....and what we should learn here is to always get a receipt and keep it for awhile. You could be honest and most people are, but a business has to be cautious and a receipt is the legal proof.

That's why I like Costco, in this Century of computers there is no reason you should need a receipt to prove you bought something if you bought it "electronically" on a card. I'm sure they track your every move and purchase for selfish reasons, and not just so you can make returns without a receipt.

Costco is good about returns, but they record sales under your account number, in regular retail stores they don't track you. And, if you want to return something the onus is on you to have the proof of sale.

driver100

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

mjfloyd1 said:

So you thought it was worthwhile to screw yourself.

Probably would have been worthwhile to work through your lunch break and then leave work early.

Case closed.

You should have heard about the watch he tried to return to CVS without a receipt. He wanted them to find the video footage of when he bought the watch. Maybe the garage has a video of the returning of the keyss!

Now you are embellishing that story. First, it was Rite Aid, I have nothing against CVS.

Second, the argument wasn't about accepting the return, it was about giving me what I paid for it, or what the manager preferred, giving me the reduced sale price, the sale price that started 1 hour earlier when they had opened just that morning. That was the crux of my argument, unless they thought I came in earlier that same day, and bought the watch, and then returned to give it back all within an hour or 2, that they should give me the proper full refund.

Well, we should learn from our mistakes....and what we should learn here is to always get a receipt and keep it for awhile. You could be honest and most people are, but a business has to be cautious and a receipt is the legal proof.

There's cautious, and then there's the ridiculous and obtuse.

Knowing the sale started when they opened their doors that very same day, a reasonable policy would be to have at least a 24 hour buffer period before slashing someone's refund amount. I don't shop at stores without a return policy, so that sort of goes without saying. Calling it a courtesy is a bit much when not giving refunds for returned merchandise would be an anomaly in the retail field.

Snake covered this, you can buy it cheaper at one store then return it to them...and some items are sold non-returnable. I have worked in retail and it is unbelievable what some people will try....like first stealing the watch and then trying to return it. Another problem sometimes is if you buy it at one Rite Aid and return it to another without paperwork, one store made a sale, the other might be taking back a broken item or giving you a full refund on an item. Some people buy dresses, wear them for a big evening out and then return them.

And if it is a matter of them being out only a few bucks if they give you a refund why should you complain if you are out a few bucks.

andres3

snakeweasel said:

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

mjfloyd1 said:

So you thought it was worthwhile to screw yourself.

Probably would have been worthwhile to work through your lunch break and then leave work early.

Case closed.

You should have heard about the watch he tried to return to CVS without a receipt. He wanted them to find the video footage of when he bought the watch. Maybe the garage has a video of the returning of the keyss!

Now you are embellishing that story. First, it was Rite Aid, I have nothing against CVS.

Second, the argument wasn't about accepting the return, it was about giving me what I paid for it, or what the manager preferred, giving me the reduced sale price, the sale price that started 1 hour earlier when they had opened just that morning. That was the crux of my argument, unless they thought I came in earlier that same day, and bought the watch, and then returned to give it back all within an hour or 2, that they should give me the proper full refund.

Well, we should learn from our mistakes....and what we should learn here is to always get a receipt and keep it for awhile. You could be honest and most people are, but a business has to be cautious and a receipt is the legal proof.

There's cautious, and then there's the ridiculous and obtuse.

Knowing the sale started when they opened their doors that very same day, a reasonable policy would be to have at least a 24 hour buffer period before slashing someone's refund amount.

So then someone could buy the item on sale atone store, drive over to another store and return it to another store a half hour later and demand full price because you don't have a receipt?

andres3 said:

I don't shop at stores without a return policy, so that sort of goes without saying. Calling it a courtesy is a bit much when not giving refunds for returned merchandise would be an anomaly in the retail field.

Haven't you ever seen a sign that says all sales final? Especially if you are getting closeout merchandise.

Yes, I've seen those signs, typically during a fire sale during bankruptcy closeout liquidation.

I'm very leery when I see those signs, especially if you can't test the product in the store. I try to avoid issues by not buying unless I can plug it in somewhere and make sure things seem right.

I suppose you could go from store to store, but I don't think the watch looked like it had just been opened that day, and furthermore, that wasn't my story even before I knew of this store policy.

andres3

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

mjfloyd1 said:

So you thought it was worthwhile to screw yourself.

Probably would have been worthwhile to work through your lunch break and then leave work early.

Case closed.

You should have heard about the watch he tried to return to CVS without a receipt. He wanted them to find the video footage of when he bought the watch. Maybe the garage has a video of the returning of the keyss!

Now you are embellishing that story. First, it was Rite Aid, I have nothing against CVS.

Second, the argument wasn't about accepting the return, it was about giving me what I paid for it, or what the manager preferred, giving me the reduced sale price, the sale price that started 1 hour earlier when they had opened just that morning. That was the crux of my argument, unless they thought I came in earlier that same day, and bought the watch, and then returned to give it back all within an hour or 2, that they should give me the proper full refund.

Well, we should learn from our mistakes....and what we should learn here is to always get a receipt and keep it for awhile. You could be honest and most people are, but a business has to be cautious and a receipt is the legal proof.

There's cautious, and then there's the ridiculous and obtuse.

Knowing the sale started when they opened their doors that very same day, a reasonable policy would be to have at least a 24 hour buffer period before slashing someone's refund amount. I don't shop at stores without a return policy, so that sor

of goes without saying. Calling it a courtesy is a bit much when not giving refunds for returned merchandise would be an anomaly in the retail field.

Snake covered this, you can buy it cheaper at one store then return it to them...and some items are sold non-returnable. I have worked in retail and it is unbelievable what some people will try....like first stealing the watch and then trying to return it. Another problem sometimes is if you buy it at one Rite Aid and return it to another without paperwork, one store made a sale, the other might be taking back a broken item or giving you a full refund on an item. Some people buy dresses, wear them for a big evening out and then return them.

And if it is a matter of them being out only a few bucks if they give you a refund why should you complain if you are out a few bucks.

A few bucks is a lot to a teenager in the 90's. And while all those possibilities are possible, they are highly unlikely. How many Rite Aid's do you think you could visit all before Noon? On a sale that wasn't even advertised, and this is before the age of the internet.

Someone returning a stolen watch likely wouldn't take offense to be shorted a few bucks due to a sale that started THAT same day, and definitely wouldn't be calling the manager over to resolve the situation. If I was a thief, the last thing I'd want is to get the Manager involved. I'd take whatever they'd give me, and run.

They'd be happy with pennies on the dollar.

I wasn't punished for the lack of a receipt. I was punished because someone decided to put the item on sale that day. Had I returned the watch a day sooner, Rite Aid would have made a lot more profit over the last 25 years.

oldfarmer50

snakeweasel said:

Good bye old friend, you served us well.

Too bad, that’s a good color for that car. Who did you sell it to?

garrison16

Snake, I know the feeling, mine was the same color combination

snakeweasel

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

mjfloyd1 said:

So you thought it was worthwhile to screw yourself.

Probably would have been worthwhile to work through your lunch break and then leave work early.

Case closed.

You should have heard about the watch he tried to return to CVS without a receipt. He wanted them to find the video footage of when he bought the watch. Maybe the garage has a video of the returning of the keyss!

Now you are embellishing that story. First, it was Rite Aid, I have nothing against CVS.

Second, the argument wasn't about accepting the return, it was about giving me what I paid for it, or what the manager preferred, giving me the reduced sale price, the sale price that started 1 hour earlier when they had opened just that morning. That was the crux of my argument, unless they thought I came in earlier that same day, and bought the watch, and then returned to give it back all within an hour or 2, that they should give me the proper full refund.

Well, we should learn from our mistakes....and what we should learn here is to always get a receipt and keep it for awhile. You could be honest and most people are, but a business has to be cautious and a receipt is the legal proof.

There's cautious, and then there's the ridiculous and obtuse.

Knowing the sale started when they opened their doors that very same day, a reasonable policy would be to have at least a 24 hour buffer period before slashing someone's refund amount. I don't shop at stores without a return policy, so that sort of goes without saying. Calling it a courtesy is a bit much when not giving refunds for returned merchandise would be an anomaly in the retail field.

Snake covered this, you can buy it cheaper at one store then return it to them...and some items are sold non-returnable. I have worked in retail and it is unbelievable what some people will try....like first stealing the watch and then trying to return it. Another problem sometimes is if you buy it at one Rite Aid and return it to another without paperwork, one store made a sale, the other might be taking back a broken item or giving you a full refund on an item. Some people buy dresses, wear them for a big evening out and then return them.

And if it is a matter of them being out only a few bucks if they give you a refund why should you complain if you are out a few bucks.

The most unbelievable thing I have seen was when I was managing a cell phone store. This was back in the day when phones had replaceable batteries and the dummy phones we had on display had the dummy replaceable batteries. Believe it or not we had people steal the dummy batteries off the display phones then tried to return them when they found out they didn't work.

snakeweasel

oldfarmer50 said:

snakeweasel said:

Good bye old friend, you served us well.

Too bad, that’s a good color for that car. Who did you sell it to?

I sold it to the fool that gave me the most for it.

driver100

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

mjfloyd1 said:

So you thought it was worthwhile to screw yourself.

Probably would have been worthwhile to work through your lunch break and then leave work early.

Case closed.

You should have heard about the watch he tried to return to CVS without a receipt. He wanted them to find the video footage of when he bought the watch. Maybe the garage has a video of the returning of the keyss!

Now you are embellishing that story. First, it was Rite Aid, I have nothing against CVS.

Second, the argument wasn't about accepting the return, it was about giving me what I paid for it, or what the manager preferred, giving me the reduced sale price, the sale price that started 1 hour earlier when they had opened just that morning. That was the crux of my argument, unless they thought I came in earlier that same day, and bought the watch, and then returned to give it back all within an hour or 2, that they should give me the proper full refund.

Well, we should learn from our mistakes....and what we should learn here is to always get a receipt and keep it for awhile. You could be honest and most people are, but a business has to be cautious and a receipt is the legal proof.

There's cautious, and then there's the ridiculous and obtuse.

Knowing the sale started when they opened their doors that very same day, a reasonable policy would be to have at least a 24 hour buffer period before slashing someone's refund amount. I don't shop at stores without a return policy, so that sort of goes without saying. Calling it a courtesy is a bit much when not giving refunds for returned merchandise would be an anomaly in the retail field.

Snake covered this, you can buy it cheaper at one store then return it to them...and some items are sold non-returnable. I have worked in retail and it is unbelievable what some people will try....like first stealing the watch and then trying to return it. Another problem sometimes is if you buy it at one Rite Aid and return it to another without paperwork, one store made a sale, the other might be taking back a broken item or giving you a full refund on an item. Some people buy dresses, wear them for a big evening out and then return them.

And if it is a matter of them being out only a few bucks if they give you a refund why should you complain if you are out a few bucks.

The most unbelievable thing I have seen was when I was managing a cell phone store. This was back in the day when phones had replaceable batteries and the dummy phones we had on display had the dummy replaceable batteries. Believe it or not we had people steal the dummy batteries off the display phones then tried to return them when they found out they didn't work.

The worst thing I actually witnessed was when I managed a book store. We sold all kinds of other stuff in those days and a big one was stamps. Somebody would come in at least once a week and slice the packets of stamps....slip them out and leave. One day we caught two teenagers stealing something. We called the police, they asked the parents to come to the store....the parents said they were too busy. The cops let the teens go, they did give them a warning but I doubt that made much of an impression.

driver100

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

snakeweasel said:

Good bye old friend, you served us well.

Too bad, that’s a good color for that car. Who did you sell it to?

I sold it to the fool that gave me the most for it.

Did you keep his number.....you may miss it and want to buy it back...he'd probably sell it to you for $600.

jmonroe1

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

snakeweasel said:

Good bye old friend, you served us well.

Too bad, that’s a good color for that car. Who did you sell it to?

I sold it to the fool that gave me the most for it.

You actually sold the car to yourself.

jmonroe

snakeweasel

jmonroe1 said:

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

snakeweasel said:

Good bye old friend, you served us well.

Too bad, that’s a good color for that car. Who did you sell it to?

I sold it to the fool that gave me the most for it.

You actually sold the car to yourself.

jmonroe

Good one, I guess I walked into that one.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

mjfloyd1 said:

So you thought it was worthwhile to screw yourself.

Probably would have been worthwhile to work through your lunch break and then leave work early.

Case closed.

You should have heard about the watch he tried to return to CVS without a receipt. He wanted them to find the video footage of when he bought the watch. Maybe the garage has a video of the returning of the keyss!

Now you are embellishing that story. First, it was Rite Aid, I have nothing against CVS.

Second, the argument wasn't about accepting the return, it was about giving me what I paid for it, or what the manager preferred, giving me the reduced sale price, the sale price that started 1 hour earlier when they had opened just that morning. That was the crux of my argument, unless they thought I came in earlier that same day, and bought the watch, and then returned to give it back all within an hour or 2, that they should give me the proper full refund.

Well, we should learn from our mistakes....and what we should learn here is to always get a receipt and keep it for awhile. You could be honest and most people are, but a business has to be cautious and a receipt is the legal proof.

There's cautious, and then there's the ridiculous and obtuse.

Knowing the sale started when they opened their doors that very same day, a reasonable policy would be to have at least a 24 hour buffer period before slashing someone's refund amount. I don't shop at stores without a return policy, so that sort of goes without saying. Calling it a courtesy is a bit much when not giving refunds for returned merchandise would be an anomaly in the retail field.

Snake covered this, you can buy it cheaper at one store then return it to them...and some items are sold non-returnable. I have worked in retail and it is unbelievable what some people will try....like first stealing the watch and then trying to return it. Another problem sometimes is if you buy it at one Rite Aid and return it to another without paperwork, one store made a sale, the other might be taking back a broken item or giving you a full refund on an item. Some people buy dresses, wear them for a big evening out and then return them.

And if it is a matter of them being out only a few bucks if they give you a refund why should you complain if you are out a few bucks.

The most unbelievable thing I have seen was when I was managing a cell phone store. This was back in the day when phones had replaceable batteries and the dummy phones we had on display had the dummy replaceable batteries. Believe it or not we had people steal the dummy batteries off the display phones then tried to return them when they found out they didn't work.

The worst thing I actually witnessed was when I managed a book store. We sold all kinds of other stuff in those days and a big one was stamps. Somebody would come in at least once a week and slice the packets of stamps....slip them out and leave. One day we caught two teenagers stealing something. We called the police, they asked the parents to come to the store....the parents said they were too busy. The cops let the teens go, they did give them a warning but I doubt that made much of an impression.

Parents were too busy? That’s why their kids were thugs. The parents should have been put in jail.

jmonroe1

snakeweasel said:

jmonroe1 said:

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

snakeweasel said:

Good bye old friend, you served us well.

Too bad, that’s a good color for that car. Who did you sell it to?

I sold it to the fool that gave me the most for it.

You actually sold the car to yourself.

jmonroe

Good one, I guess I walked into that one.

More like running into that one.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

snakeweasel said:

Good bye old friend, you served us well.

Too bad, that’s a good color for that car. Who did you sell it to?

I sold it to the fool that gave me the most for it.

Look for it soon on Craigslist for $3000 with “needs nothing” in the ad.

ab348

oldfarmer50 said:

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

snakeweasel said:

Good bye old friend, you served us well.

Too bad, that’s a good color for that car. Who did you sell it to?

I sold it to the fool that gave me the most for it.

Look for it soon on Craigslist for $3000 with “needs nothing” in the ad.

Except "A/C needs a recharge".

mjfloyd1

andres3 said:

On another topic, Tesla loses again:

https://youtu.be/RFSOoCY27eY

Worse, Tesla doesn't seem to honor warranties. They also seem to think that as long as the vehicle moves forward at 1 MPH under it's own power, that's good enough, even if it takes 10 minutes to get up to 1 MPH. I exaggerate, but based on this one story that seems to be their line of argument.

Probably didn’t have their receipt for the Tesla😂

ab348

Back when I was in the liquor business shoplifting was always a problem. We had lots of cameras and staff were trained on what to look out for and how to deal with it, so our loss rate was lower than most retailers. But the resourcefulness of the crooks was amazing. There were essentially two groups of thieves, the amateurs and the pros. The amateurs would just slip something small into their pocket, purse, or whatever and try to exit the store. If they were smart about it they could get away with it sometimes.

The pros were a different story. They actually took orders from their clients. Then they would wear what our loss prevention people called a "booster coat", which had large hidden pockets sewn into the inside. They usually traveled in groups, both to shield each other from prying eyes and to allow them to obtain more product to fill an order. Sometimes they were even bold enough to actually buy an item or two to let them go through the cash lanes and avoid suspicion for wandering around the store if staff weren't looking too closely. There were several watering holes in rough parts of town that stocked their bars this way for a while until they were caught.

Other things were fascinating to me too. People would often steal expensive items and then return them to the store for a refund. They had no receipt of course but since we were the only place where you could buy a lot of these products there was a policy for a long time that did not require a receipt since the presumption was that it was bought from us. That eventually changed so that an exchange was allowed without a receipt but not a cash refund. Another thing that astounded me were the number of fairly prominent people who got caught stealing. These were people who had a public profile, either low-level political or otherwise newsworthy individuals. We did not publicize those but if they were charged by the police the media would pick it up and it usually had negative consequences for them.

mjfloyd1

On the Rite Aid watch, I’m sure that if you had gone in that morning to buy the watch (rather than return one), you would have argued that you want to pay full price since it was an unadvertised sale.

kyfdx

When I worked in a liquor store, the biggest problem was employee theft. (money and/or alcohol)

driver100

ab348 said:

Back when I was in the liquor business shoplifting was always a problem. .

IMO....it seems to me to be easier just to have a job and pay for the stuff you want.......rather than go through all the stress and effort to steal it.

driver100

mjfloyd1 said:

On the Rite Aid watch, I’m sure that if you had gone in that morning to buy the watch (rather than return one), you would have argued that you want to pay full price since it was an unadvertised sale.

Good point "I don't care what your ad says, I came to buy this watch and I want to pay full price for it or forget it!"

mjfloyd1

I know someone who used to work at Lowe’s. They said people would put an expensive item inside the box of an inexpensive item and then check out- paying for the cheap item.

ab348

kyfdx said:

When I worked in a liquor store, the biggest problem was employee theft. (money and/or alcohol)

Yes, we had that problem too. The other thing that occurred was liquor reps supplying free booze to staff in return for promoting their product or discouraging sales of competitors.

nyccarguy

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

mjfloyd1 said:

So you thought it was worthwhile to screw yourself.

Probably would have been worthwhile to work through your lunch break and then leave work early.

Case closed.

You should have heard about the watch he tried to return to CVS without a receipt. He wanted them to find the video footage of when he bought the watch. Maybe the garage has a video of the returning of the keyss!

Now you are embellishing that story. First, it was Rite Aid, I have nothing against CVS.

Second, the argument wasn't about accepting the return, it was about giving me what I paid for it, or what the manager preferred, giving me the reduced sale price, the sale price that started 1 hour earlier when they had opened just that morning. That was the crux of my argument, unless they thought I came in earlier that same day, and bought the watch, and then returned to give it back all within an hour or 2, that they should give me the proper full refund.

Well, we should learn from our mistakes....and what we should learn here is to always get a receipt and keep it for awhile. You could be honest and most people are, but a business has to be cautious and a receipt is the legal proof.

There's cautious, and then there's the ridiculous and obtuse.

Knowing the sale started when they opened their doors that very same day, a reasonable policy would be to have at least a 24 hour buffer period before slashing someone's refund amount. I don't shop at stores without a return policy, so that sort of goes without saying. Calling it a courtesy is a bit much when not giving refunds for returned merchandise would be an anomaly in the retail field.

Snake covered this, you can buy it cheaper at one store then return it to them...and some items are sold non-returnable. I have worked in retail and it is unbelievable what some people will try....like first stealing the watch and then trying to return it. Another problem sometimes is if you buy it at one Rite Aid and return it to another without paperwork, one store made a sale, the other might be taking back a broken item or giving you a full refund on an item. Some people buy dresses, wear them for a big evening out and then return them.

And if it is a matter of them being out only a few bucks if they give you a refund why should you complain if you are out a few bucks.

The most unbelievable thing I have seen was when I was managing a cell phone store. This was back in the day when phones had replaceable batteries and the dummy phones we had on display had the dummy replaceable batteries. Believe it or not we had people steal the dummy batteries off the display phones then tried to return them when they found out they didn't work.

The worst thing I actually witnessed was when I managed a book store. We sold all kinds of other stuff in those days and a big one was stamps. Somebody would come in at least once a week and slice the packets of stamps....slip them out and leave. One day we caught two teenagers stealing something. We called the police, they asked the parents to come to the store....the parents said they were too busy. The cops let the teens go, they did give them a warning but I doubt that made much of an impression.

Parents were too busy? That’s why their kids were thugs. The parents should have been put in jail.

They have jail in Canada?

driver100

mjfloyd1 said:

I know someone who used to work at Lowe’s. They said people would put an expensive item inside the box of an inexpensive item and then check out- paying for the cheap item.

Or remove the price/barcode from a cheap item and stick it on the box of a more expensive item.

driver100

nyccarguy said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

snakeweasel said:

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

mjfloyd1 said:

So you thought it was worthwhile to screw yourself.

Probably would have been worthwhile to work through your lunch break and then leave work early.

Case closed.

You should have heard about the watch he tried to return to CVS without a receipt. He wanted them to find the video footage of when he bought the watch. Maybe the garage has a video of the returning of the keyss!

Now you are embellishing that story. First, it was Rite Aid, I have nothing against CVS.

Second, the argument wasn't about accepting the return, it was about giving me what I paid for it, or what the manager preferred, giving me the reduced sale price, the sale price that started 1 hour earlier when they had opened just that morning. That was the crux of my argument, unless they thought I came in earlier that same day, and bought the watch, and then returned to give it back all within an hour or 2, that they should give me the proper full refund.

Well, we should learn from our mistakes....and what we should learn here is to always get a receipt and keep it for awhile. You could be honest and most people are, but a business has to be cautious and a receipt is the legal proof.

There's cautious, and then there's the ridiculous and obtuse.

Knowing the sale started when they opened their doors that very same day, a reasonable policy would be to have at least a 24 hour buffer period before slashing someone's refund amount. I don't shop at stores without a return policy, so that sort of goes without saying. Calling it a courtesy is a bit much when not giving refunds for returned merchandise would be an anomaly in the retail field.

Snake covered this, you can buy it cheaper at one store then return it to them...and some items are sold non-returnable. I have worked in retail and it is unbelievable what some people will try....like first stealing the watch and then trying to return it. Another problem sometimes is if you buy it at one Rite Aid and return it to another without paperwork, one store made a sale, the other might be taking back a broken item or giving you a full refund on an item. Some people buy dresses, wear them for a big evening out and then return them.

And if it is a matter of them being out only a few bucks if they give you a refund why should you complain if you are out a few bucks.

The most unbelievable thing I have seen was when I was managing a cell phone store. This was back in the day when phones had replaceable batteries and the dummy phones we had on display had the dummy replaceable batteries. Believe it or not we had people steal the dummy batteries off the display phones then tried to return them when they found out they didn't work.

The worst thing I actually witnessed was when I managed a book store. We sold all kinds of other stuff in those days and a big one was stamps. Somebody would come in at least once a week and slice the packets of stamps....slip them out and leave. One day we caught two teenagers stealing something. We called the police, they asked the parents to come to the store....the parents said they were too busy. The cops let the teens go, they did give them a warning but I doubt that made much of an impression.

Parents were too busy? That’s why their kids were thugs. The parents should have been put in jail.

They have jail in Canada?

Sorry to say it, but, yes we actually do.

graphicguy

An acquaintance (not really a friend) owns a high end audio store in a nice neighborhood. While, it’s small, it is broken up into different listening/watching rooms. He buys and sells used equipment, too. Most of his gear is way too large and/or heavy to steal. However, he does get a significant amount of traffic from people who want to sell/return high buck gear. Mostly folks who are upgrading (or are dumping gear for monetary reasons) come to sell him used equipment.

Then, you have the folks who clearly are trying to fence stolen equipment. Since he’s the only store locally that sells those brands, and he knows where most of the equipment is installed (because he did the install), he can tell hot merchandise pretty quickly. He tells the thief he has to go to the back room to look up the value of the equipment. From that point, it’s a quick call to the local police. Sometimes they get there while the perp is still in the store. Sometimes, if it takes too long, they’ll bolt and leave the hot merchandise behind.

From that point, it’s a pretty easy trace to find the true owners as they’ve reported it stolen.

imidazol97

snakeweasel said:

I hope you kept the VIN and will check for it frequently on search engines to see when
the vehicle shows up for sale somewhere.

stickguy

smart to resell a junky convertible when it is freezing out. Buyer might not try out the top to discover it's busted!

nyccarguy

mjfloyd1 said:

I know someone who used to work at Lowe’s. They said people would put an expensive item inside the box of an inexpensive item and then check out- paying for the cheap item.

My Brother In Law (the one who died 3 years ago) worked at Home Depot. He said people would return boxes of tile with the old tiles they ripped up in the box & the box duct taped. People would have leftover paint or compound in a 5 gallon container, fill the rest of the bucket with water and return it. They need a trim part for a shower body (handle, escutcheon, head, cartridge...) so they buy the shower body (or trim kit) to take the piece out they need then return to Home Depot and say it wasn't there.

I'm very liberal with my return policy. I know a customer doesn't know what's behind a wall before you open it up. So if you are a good customer who buys 5" No Hub Pipe & fittings from me that you are going to have some items leftover and don't want to get stuck on the job when I am closed. There are also people who buy from me and return staple items because they didn't estimate the job properly. They lost money on the job trying to make a quick buck. They get charged a 20% restocking fee.

snakeweasel

imidazol97 said:

snakeweasel said:

I hope you kept the VIN and will check for it frequently on search engines to see when
the vehicle shows up for sale somewhere.

They were more concerned with the exhaust system, specifically the catalytic converter. My guess is they are going to get the precious metals out of that and then dismantle the car and sell off the parts.

snakeweasel

nyccarguy said:

mjfloyd1 said:

I know someone who used to work at Lowe’s. They said people would put an expensive item inside the box of an inexpensive item and then check out- paying for the cheap item.

My Brother In Law (the one who died 3 years ago) worked at Home Depot. He said people would return boxes of tile with the old tiles they ripped up in the box & the box duct taped. People would have leftover paint or compound in a 5 gallon container, fill the rest of the bucket with water and return it. They need a trim part for a shower body (handle, escutcheon, head, cartridge...) so they buy the shower body (or trim kit) to take the piece out they need then return to Home Depot and say it wasn't there.

I'm very liberal with my return policy. I know a customer doesn't know what's behind a wall before you open it up. So if you are a good customer who buys 5" No Hub Pipe & fittings from me that you are going to have some items leftover and don't want to get stuck on the job when I am closed. There are also people who buy from me and return staple items because they didn't estimate the job properly. They lost money on the job trying to make a quick buck. They get charged a 20% restocking fee.

Doesn't home depot not allow the return of paint because it's color is customized?

stickguy

that is nice to hear. Keeps cars on the road and junk out of the landfill. Good for poor people that don't have the money to buy new stuff.

snakeweasel

Rest in peace Sean Connery, the first, the best and really the only 007.

imidazol97

The use and return behavior is not new. I learned about it in Atlanta in the 70s when my high school buddy's girlfriend worked at Rich's department store. Rich's and Davison's were two old time department stores that had put branch stores into the suburbs by that time.

She said older Atlanta matrons would buy shoes, sofas, other things, use them until they showed wear or had a problem and then would return them. I recall sofas being returned for a new replacement almost a year later because they "didn't like them."

roadburner

The best!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ono-pu9ON6I&fbclid=IwAR26IldCgQE1sBMJmWGI8sMBIiKnrkWVUT9SGpb5fDV0lDBGQpwYx3clzUg

roadburner

When I worked in juvenile court it was a lot easier to drop the hammer on the kids who deserved it(nowadays it’s almost impossible to detain juveniles for any crime short of capital murder). Most of the time the parents were mad at me, the prosecutor, and the police officer- it was all OUR fault; their little darling was always blameless.

Once one of the kids who was always getting bailed out by their parents got arrested for a felony less than 30 days after he turned 18. As he walked up to the bench in his orange detention center jumpsuit I hummed Pomp and Circumstance and then congratulated him for graduating.

oldfarmer50

ab348 said:

Back when I was in the liquor business shoplifting was always a problem. We had lots of cameras and staff were trained on what to look out for and how to deal with it, so our loss rate was lower than most retailers. But the resourcefulness of the crooks was amazing. There were essentially two groups of thieves, the amateurs and the pros. The amateurs would just slip something small into their pocket, purse, or whatever and try to exit the store. If they were smart about it they could get away with it sometimes.

The pros were a different story. They actually took orders from their clients. Then they would wear what our loss prevention people called a "booster coat", which had large hidden pockets sewn into the inside. They usually traveled in groups, both to shield each other from prying eyes and to allow them to obtain more product to fill an order. Sometimes they were even bold enough to actually buy an item or two to let them go through the cash lanes and avoid suspicion for wandering around the store if staff weren't looking too closely. There were several watering holes in rough parts of town that stocked their bars this way for a while until they were caught.

Other things were fascinating to me too. People would often steal expensive items and then return them to the store for a refund. They had no receipt of course but since we were the only place where you could buy a lot of these products there was a policy for a long time that did not require a receipt since the presumption was that it was bought from us. That eventually changed so that an exchange was allowed without a receipt but not a cash refund. Another thing that astounded me were the number of fairly prominent people who got caught stealing. These were people who had a public profile, either low-level political or otherwise newsworthy individuals. We did not publicize those but if they were charged by the police the media would pick it up and it usually had negative consequences for them.

This character known as the “shrimp lady” and her daughter were professionals at the return scam. She would shoplift expensive items from all the local supermarkets and then return them for cash.

https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Diamond,_Sheri_Kaye

jmonroe1

snakeweasel said:

Rest in peace Sean Connery, the first, the best and really the only 007.

Ain’t that the truth.

jmonroe

ab348

Tough day on the tech front here. Earlier this week I got a replacement credit card for one whose expiry date was coming up. You had 2 ways to activate it, a 1-800 number or online, which I chose. I entered the requisite things it wanted, then it asked me to set a PIN. I found that odd because every other CC that I did this for said the existing PIN would carry over. I set it, I *think* I saw a screen for a split-second that said it was accepted but immediately I got another screen saying "Oops, there was a problem, try again later". Several tries later including on two other devices the same result ensued so I called the number. The lady on the other end was virtually useless but finally told me the card was activated. When I checked the online site afterward it still said it wasn't. God knows what's next with that.

Not having learned my lesson with that, an hour later my iPhone tells me that iOS14 is available. I let it update itself, which took forever. Finally it starts up and there is all sorts of what seems to be useless new stuff. Also iTunes is no more, now it's Apple Music. I started exploring the new stuff and immediately got into trouble when I tried to figure out "widgets". I ended up having the phone open while I was searching on a PC for how to do some of this stuff since iOS is no longer very intuitive. Even despite that, some of them didn't respond the way the help web pages said they should, and somehow a few of them ended up on my app pages and I couldn't easily get rid of them. When I finally did get it sort of sorted out I somehow managed to create an entirely blank page with nothing on it, so I had to figure out a way to get rid of that. Not being confused enough already, I decided to set up Apple Pay using the same credit card I already had used for iTunes years ago. I was surprised it was still on file and active since I don't remember updating it but whatever. At some point it sends me a verification code but I could find nowhere that was asking for it, so that is still out there hanging somewhere.

Just call me @driver100 's east coast cousin I guess.

stickguy

there is a reason many people just go to the apple store and hand the phone to the guy in the blue shirt and tell them to fix it.

explorerx4

@ab348,
Great, I started the IOS update just before I read your post.

jmonroe1

ab348 said:

Tough day on the tech front here. Earlier this week I got a replacement credit card for one whose expiry date was coming up. You had 2 ways to activate it, a 1-800 number or online, which I chose. I entered the requisite things it wanted, then it asked me to set a PIN. I found that odd because every other CC that I did this for said the existing PIN would carry over. I set it, I *think* I saw a screen for a split-second that said it was accepted but immediately I got another screen saying "Oops, there was a problem, try again later". Several tries later including on two other devices the same result ensued so I called the number. The lady on the other end was virtually useless but finally told me the card was activated. When I checked the online site afterward it still said it wasn't. God knows what's next with that.

Not having learned my lesson with that, an hour later my iPhone tells me that iOS14 is available. I let it update itself, which took forever. Finally it starts up and there is all sorts of what seems to be useless new stuff. Also iTunes is no more, now it's Apple Music. I started exploring the new stuff and immediately got into trouble when I tried to figure out "widgets". I ended up having the phone open while I was searching on a PC for how to do some of this stuff since iOS is no longer very intuitive. Even despite that, some of them didn't respond the way the help web pages said they should, and somehow a few of them ended up on my app pages and I couldn't easily get rid of them. When I finally did get it sort of sorted out I somehow managed to create an entirely blank page with nothing on it, so I had to figure out a way to get rid of that. Not being confused enough already, I decided to set up Apple Pay using the same credit card I already had used for iTunes years ago. I was surprised it was still on file and active since I don't remember updating it but whatever. At some point it sends me a verification code but I could find nowhere that was asking for it, so that is still out there hanging somewhere.

Just call me @driver100 's east coast cousin I guess.

See...you shoulda called his guy.

jmonroe

kyfdx

graphicguy said:

An acquaintance (not really a friend) owns a high end audio store in a nice neighborhood. While, it’s small, it is broken up into different listening/watching rooms. He buys and sells used equipment, too. Most of his gear is way too large and/or heavy to steal. However, he does get a significant amount of traffic from people who want to sell/return high buck gear. Mostly folks who are upgrading (or are dumping gear for monetary reasons) come to sell him used equipment.

Then, you have the folks who clearly are trying to fence stolen equipment. Since he’s the only store locally that sells those brands, and he knows where most of the equipment is installed (because he did the install), he can tell hot merchandise pretty quickly. He tells the thief he has to go to the back room to look up the value of the equipment. From that point, it’s a quick call to the local police. Sometimes they get there while the perp is still in the store. Sometimes, if it takes too long, they’ll bolt and leave the hot merchandise behind.

From that point, it’s a pretty easy trace to find the true owners as they’ve reported it stolen.

Is that Alamo?