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isellhondas

sda said:

One of the first things I do is remove any dealer decals. This one was a bugger to get off as the car was originally sold at this dealer and I suspect it was on there from the start. A little WD 40 and patience it gave way.

Anyone remember when they would use metal dealer logos and DRILL HOLES into the trunk lids to mount them? A few years later rust would streak down from the screw holes!

isellhondas

snakeweasel said:

isellhondas said:

fintail said:

I think FL has a low cost of living in general - low taxes, lots of cheap housing, and for a long time known for low wages - so retirees or remote workers can come in and feel well off. Add in the weather, and you're a magnet.

In WA, we also have no income tax, relatively low property taxes, but some other cost of living inputs are expensive (housing especially), so it kind of evens out in terms of taxation. Some locals moan and whine about taxes, not understanding the taxes here aren't the issue.

Relatively low property taxes? You ARE kidding....right?

If you think 9000.00 a year for our 2400 sq. foot house in Issaquah is low than you are right on!

Add our ten percent sales tax and high car tabs and we are taxed pretty well I would say!

I'll tell you what, I'll pay your property taxes if you pay ours.

Probably not. A gal I know pays 1500.00 a year in South Dakota.

Still 9000.00 seems like a LOT!

roadburner

snakeweasel said:

graphicguy said:

Michaell said:

My son got married last year. My contribution was the rehearsal dinner and the cost of the DJ. Not sure what his mother contributed, but I suspect some of the other costs.

Have told my son on many occasions, I won’t spring for any costs for big wedding. But, if he wants, I’ll spring for two round trip plane tix to Europe, hotel fees for a week, and travel money. He’ll enjoy and remember that trip more than any wedding.

I barely remember my wedding day, it seemed to go by so fast it seems like a blur.

graphicguy said:

As he tells me, “that’s up to the female”. As I reply...”Says who?”.

Says every man who has had a long successful marriage, Happy wife, happy life.

I think I've mentioned this before, but back in 2007 we were remodeling our kitchen and my wife wanted to install a double convection oven. On another mail list I asked about the best oven brands and one guy opined that she probably didn't need a double oven and I didn't need to spend so much. I replied:

"My wife doesn't ask why I want a 300+ hp 155 mph car to drive to work, and I'm not asking her why she needs a double oven. Hell, I don't care if she gets a triple oven."

Communication is VERY important in a marriage...

suydam

isellhondas said:

snakeweasel said:

isellhondas said:

fintail said:

I think FL has a low cost of living in general - low taxes, lots of cheap housing, and for a long time known for low wages - so retirees or remote workers can come in and feel well off. Add in the weather, and you're a magnet.

In WA, we also have no income tax, relatively low property taxes, but some other cost of living inputs are expensive (housing especially), so it kind of evens out in terms of taxation. Some locals moan and whine about taxes, not understanding the taxes here aren't the issue.

Relatively low property taxes? You ARE kidding....right?

If you think 9000.00 a year for our 2400 sq. foot house in Issaquah is low than you are right on!

Add our ten percent sales tax and high car tabs and we are taxed pretty well I would say!

I'll tell you what, I'll pay your property taxes if you pay ours.

Probably not. A gal I know pays 1500.00 a year in South Dakota.

Still 9000.00 seems like a LOT!

She has to live in South Dakota, though.

sda

isellhondas said:

sda said:

One of the first things I do is remove any dealer decals. This one was a bugger to get off as the car was originally sold at this dealer and I suspect it was on there from the start. A little WD 40 and patience it gave way.

Anyone remember when they would use metal dealer logos and DRILL HOLES into the trunk lids to mount them? A few years later rust would streak down from the screw holes!

Yes, and I avoided those dealers. There was one major dealer that had a large dealer logo that was a three pointed star held on by three small screws. Looked awful on large cars and overwhelming on small cars.

jmonroe1

isellhondas said:

sda said:

One of the first things I do is remove any dealer decals. This one was a bugger to get off as the car was originally sold at this dealer and I suspect it was on there from the start. A little WD 40 and patience it gave way.

Anyone remember when they would use metal dealer logos and DRILL HOLES into the trunk lids to mount them? A few years later rust would streak down from the screw holes!

Yep, remember those back in the 50’s. I’m pretty sure those barbed things were made out of what was called pot metal back in those days. @isellhondas, we’re showing our age.☺️

jmonroe

oldfarmer50

graphicguy said:

Turntable restoration......before pic....



I have since “buffed” the dust cover. Not perfect, but getting there.

Motor is “dead nuts” accurate speed wise. These “quartz lock” motors on direct drive turntables of the era were amazingly accurate and robust.

The isolation engineering between the platter and the motor is a marvel. They include some pretty sophisticated suspension and vibration absorption technologies. In addition, this thing is heavy, which helps with vibrations, too.

Switches are pressure sensitive but electronic. Disassembling them, cleaning and reassembling today.

The bad...some of the plinth is damaged. Still not sure how I’ll fix it as it’s veneer. Headshell is cracked, so I need a new one. If the headshell is cracked, pretty good bet the cartridge is damaged, too. Not sure how old the stylus is. So, may as well replace the whole cartridge/headshell.

Overall, not in bad shape for a 40 year old turntable. Gonna take me a week or so to finish. Headshell will probably be hard to find.

I had a Zenith stereo back in the early 70s. I was quite taken with it as it cost $250 which was quite a sum back them. I never knew it would become collectible 45 some years later.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

qbrozen said:

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driver100 said:

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

They have 2007s on this site for $13 - $15k. They could be in much better condition with more features.
https://www.autolist.com/jaguar-xk?utm_source=Google&utm_campaign=DSA&p=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAlZH_BRCgARIsAAZHSBko7NXOjH6uCx8nnTWghlcaZ7P0aKXPrMSOhAGIrPyrioxUCH0PwoEaAuuqEALw_wcB#page=1&make=Jaguar&model=XK&buyer_intelligence=true&sort_new_cars_last=true&location=Dundas,+ON&latitude=43.266&longitude=-79.9441&radius=any

I was looking for a rough estimate......poor to good condition. My guess knowing nothing was to get $6000 and run with it.
She is over 2000 miles away and doesn't want to come back to sell it.
I don't know any more than that. I don't think my brother expected me to find the value, he is working on that, he did want ideas on how she could sell it from a distance.

Hers could have 300k miles and seized engine, or it could have 40k miles and be in the wrapper. So a rough estimate is $100 to $15,000.

On this page there is a 2007 has an asking price of $4800 and it has only 44000 miles, and the front end is all smashed up and it is in rough shape - can't even drive it!
https://www.autolist.com/jaguar-xk?utm_source=Google&utm_campaign=DSA&p=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAlZH_BRCgARIsAAZHSBko7NXOjH6uCx8nnTWghlcaZ7P0aKXPrMSOhAGIrPyrioxUCH0PwoEaAuuqEALw_wcB#page=7&radius=any&make=Jaguar&model=XK&buyer_intelligence=true&sort_new_cars_last=true&location=Dundas,+ON&latitude=43.266&longitude=-79.9441

A 44k-mile parts car still has some value. Maybe not what they are asking, but 1st amendment and all that.

This one is $17800 with 65000 miles on Cargarus

These things are worth a lot more than I thought! I'd rather buy the 2014 C250 with 34000 miles for $10000, though that is trade-in, the Jag is the for sale price.

The lifetime warranty probably costs more than the car. ;b

Not really, Edmunds gives it almost 5 Stars and a value of $9,543 - $16,662
https://www.edmunds.com/jaguar/xk-series/2007/consumer-reviews/
You were off on the $100 on the low side.........even the totaled one was worth $4600!

1. Not WORTH 4600. ASKING 4600.
2. And it is a low mileage example, even totaled. How about a totaled one with 300k miles and a seized engine?

She was driving it up until she suddenly moved to start a new job, unlikely it had 300k miles and the motor was seized. It might even start up right away, but she is realistic enough to know it might not start after about a year of storage. I doubt if my brother would be asking how to sell it if it was worth $100, but thanks for taking the time to give an estimate.

My point still stands: without details, any estimate is impossible.

I could have given a ball park figure putting together the few facts I had. Off of the top of my head without looking anything up I would have estimated $4k to $6k. Looks like it could be worth about that to a dealer, maybe more if in better than average shape - and more if selling privately. Any car that is running and roadworthy is probably worth $3k.
The important clue was she was driving it and it was fine, until she suddenly left for a new job 2500 miles away.

I still say bring in the “guy” to get it running first. Who knows, you may want it for yourself.

I’m curious, why did she buy a right hand drive in the first place?

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

We got the generator in September and so far it has gone on 5 times.....the first 4 times for about one hour. Last night it went on for just over 3 hours, from 5:30 p.m. until 8:45. For some reason, if the electricity goes our cable goes, so no computer and no cable TV, and no streaming.
But, we have DVDs and all they need is electricity to run the DVD player and the TV. I wasn't for getting the generator but it is probably a good thing. So far it has only cost about $2000 an hour for the service, but, that should balance out after a few years, and would be really appreciated if we have a blackout of 5 hours or more.

You can’t put a price on power when you need it but I have to ask, what is going on with the Canadian grid if the power has become that unreliable?

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

sb55 said:

Happy Boxing Day to those who celebrate that tradition.

Thanks!
We can't even go to a store to buy Boxing Day Specials.....total lockdown in Ontario for 4 weeks beginning today. Only grocery and hardware stores allowed to open at 50% capacity. No gyms, no restaurants (take out only), no skiing, no getting together etc.
Had to do it I guess, the numbers were treading upward and hospitals could get overwhelmed.

What’s the vaccine status in Canada? I’m not sure how that works internationally. My brother who is a respiratory therapist right on the front lines got his shot and is due for the 2nd on Jan. 5th.

I’m not sure where I fall on the pecking order but my contrarian nature makes me reluctant to get it regardless of my at-risk status as an elderly codger.

oldfarmer50

sb55 said:

driver100 said:

sb55 said:

Happy Boxing Day to those who celebrate that tradition.

Thanks!
We can't even go to a store to buy Boxing Day Specials.....total lockdown in Ontario for 4 weeks beginning today. Only grocery and hardware stores allowed to open at 50% capacity. No gyms, no restaurants (take out only), no skiing, no getting together etc.
Had to do it I guess, the numbers were treading upward and hospitals could get overwhelmed.

Same here in Vermont. This State has been quite good at maintaining a lowish level of Covid infections. No national policy, so it's up to each State to do whatever they want. We talked to friends in Florida, and no restrictions at all.

We went into a McDonalds for lunch in Rutland the other day and they were closed for sit down dining. Because we dared to enter the premises instead of using the drive thru we were required to sign in with name and phone number for contact tracing.

ab348

oldfarmer50 said:

What’s the vaccine status in Canada? I’m not sure how that works internationally. My brother who is a respiratory therapist right on the front lines got his shot and is due for the 2nd on Jan. 5th.

Canada is getting shipments in dribs and drabs each week. Those are divvied up and sent to provinces based upon their percentage of the total population. Then it is up to provincial health officials to determine who gets them. In the first week of availability we had 900 health care workers get it here. No idea when it will trickle down to the majority of us poor slobs but it’s probably months away.

oldfarmer50

sb55 said:

driver100 said:

sb55 said:

Happy Boxing Day to those who celebrate that tradition.

Thanks!
We can't even go to a store to buy Boxing Day Specials.....total lockdown in Ontario for 4 weeks beginning today. Only grocery and hardware stores allowed to open at 50% capacity. No gyms, no restaurants (take out only), no skiing, no getting together etc.
Had to do it I guess, the numbers were treading upward and hospitals could get overwhelmed.

Same here in Vermont. This State has been quite good at maintaining a lowish level of Covid infections. No national policy, so it's up to each State to do whatever they want. We talked to friends in Florida, and no restrictions at all.

That’s that darn Constitution, the states have all the power not enumerated.

oldfarmer50

explorerx4 said:

It seems everyone is dumping on the USPS, but sometimes they go above and beyond.
Some important documents got mailed to me from Germany.
The address was missing the town and zip code.
Someone hand wrote it in and the papers arrived today.

I sent steaks as a Christmas present and I don’t know who delivered it but it got there. I sent some cards with cash inside by USPS and they got there too. Really amazing when you think about it.

oldfarmer50

isellhondas said:

fintail said:

I think FL has a low cost of living in general - low taxes, lots of cheap housing, and for a long time known for low wages - so retirees or remote workers can come in and feel well off. Add in the weather, and you're a magnet.

In WA, we also have no income tax, relatively low property taxes, but some other cost of living inputs are expensive (housing especially), so it kind of evens out in terms of taxation. Some locals moan and whine about taxes, not understanding the taxes here aren't the issue.

Relatively low property taxes? You ARE kidding....right?

If you think 9000.00 a year for our 2400 sq. foot house in Issaquah is low than you are right on!

Add our ten percent sales tax and high car tabs and we are taxed pretty well I would say!

Glad you chimed in for the holidays merry Christmas.


Our property taxes here in NY for a $400-500k property are about $5500.

oldfarmer50

isellhondas said:

sda said:

One of the first things I do is remove any dealer decals. This one was a bugger to get off as the car was originally sold at this dealer and I suspect it was on there from the start. A little WD 40 and patience it gave way.

Anyone remember when they would use metal dealer logos and DRILL HOLES into the trunk lids to mount them? A few years later rust would streak down from the screw holes!

I solved the dealer sticker problem during negotiations when I said I would be happy to advertise for the dealer for a modest fee of $200. They scraped those suckers off real fast.

ronsteve

dino001 said:

kyfdx said:

As the father of an engaged male offspring, I'm going with scam.

The real scam is the entire wedding industry. Conditioning girls from early age that their life would be over if they don’t have some lavish over-the-top party with white doves flying over or whatever else you read in these magazines. Doesn’t even matter the income tier, it always has to be more than makes sense and attach “wedding” to anything and you double, triple, or quadruple the price, just because you can. No wonder desperate bride’s families are hitting groom’s families for money. If 72-84 month car loans are now normal, so will be groom’s bill at the wedding. The only way to deal with this would be lower the demand, perhaps the pandemic will change the mindset and cure some bridezilla syndromes...

suydam

Sorry, it’s not “desperate brides’ families”. It’s just being more egalitarian and recognizing the fact that most people getting married are older than in generations past. I was 22 and in grad school when I got married. My daughter was 32 with an established career. Same with the groom. So people divvy up the responsibilities differently. I’ve been to many of her cohort’s weddings too. There’s a huge range, from a courthouse wedding with a local party after to a 3 day festival. I don’t think there are any set expectations. Everyone contributes what they can.

fintail

Not kidding at all. Property tax rates in WA are not particularly high. Tax obligations can be high because of insane property values, but I only have crocodile tears for many of those in such a bind. Tots and pears for their well-being.

The problem with WA taxes is that they are often regressive, but the WA tax burden isn't in the upper echelon of heavily taxed states.

isellhondas said:

Relatively low property taxes? You ARE kidding....right?

If you think 9000.00 a year for our 2400 sq. foot house in Issaquah is low than you are right on!

Add our ten percent sales tax and high car tabs and we are taxed pretty well I would say!

28firefighter

suydam said:

Sorry, it’s not “desperate brides’ families”. It’s just being more egalitarian and recognizing the fact that most people getting married are older than in generations past. I was 22 and in grad school when I got married. My daughter was 32 with an established career. Same with the groom. So people divvy up the responsibilities differently. I’ve been to many of her cohort’s weddings too. There’s a huge range, from a courthouse wedding with a local party after to a 3 day festival. I don’t think there are any set expectations. Everyone contributes what they can.

This.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

qbrozen said:

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driver100 said:

qbrozen said:

driver100 said:

They have 2007s on this site for $13 - $15k. They could be in much better condition with more features.
https://www.autolist.com/jaguar-xk?utm_source=Google&utm_campaign=DSA&p=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAlZH_BRCgARIsAAZHSBko7NXOjH6uCx8nnTWghlcaZ7P0aKXPrMSOhAGIrPyrioxUCH0PwoEaAuuqEALw_wcB#page=1&make=Jaguar&model=XK&buyer_intelligence=true&sort_new_cars_last=true&location=Dundas,+ON&latitude=43.266&longitude=-79.9441&radius=any

I was looking for a rough estimate......poor to good condition. My guess knowing nothing was to get $6000 and run with it.
She is over 2000 miles away and doesn't want to come back to sell it.
I don't know any more than that. I don't think my brother expected me to find the value, he is working on that, he did want ideas on how she could sell it from a distance.

Hers could have 300k miles and seized engine, or it could have 40k miles and be in the wrapper. So a rough estimate is $100 to $15,000.

On this page there is a 2007 has an asking price of $4800 and it has only 44000 miles, and the front end is all smashed up and it is in rough shape - can't even drive it!
https://www.autolist.com/jaguar-xk?utm_source=Google&utm_campaign=DSA&p=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAlZH_BRCgARIsAAZHSBko7NXOjH6uCx8nnTWghlcaZ7P0aKXPrMSOhAGIrPyrioxUCH0PwoEaAuuqEALw_wcB#page=7&radius=any&make=Jaguar&model=XK&buyer_intelligence=true&sort_new_cars_last=true&location=Dundas,+ON&latitude=43.266&longitude=-79.9441

A 44k-mile parts car still has some value. Maybe not what they are asking, but 1st amendment and all that.

This one is $17800 with 65000 miles on Cargarus

These things are worth a lot more than I thought! I'd rather buy the 2014 C250 with 34000 miles for $10000, though that is trade-in, the Jag is the for sale price.

The lifetime warranty probably costs more than the car. ;b

Not really, Edmunds gives it almost 5 Stars and a value of $9,543 - $16,662
https://www.edmunds.com/jaguar/xk-series/2007/consumer-reviews/
You were off on the $100 on the low side.........even the totaled one was worth $4600!

1. Not WORTH 4600. ASKING 4600.
2. And it is a low mileage example, even totaled. How about a totaled one with 300k miles and a seized engine?

She was driving it up until she suddenly moved to start a new job, unlikely it had 300k miles and the motor was seized. It might even start up right away, but she is realistic enough to know it might not start after about a year of storage. I doubt if my brother would be asking how to sell it if it was worth $100, but thanks for taking the time to give an estimate.

My point still stands: without details, any estimate is impossible.

I could have given a ball park figure putting together the few facts I had. Off of the top of my head without looking anything up I would have estimated $4k to $6k. Looks like it could be worth about that to a dealer, maybe more if in better than average shape - and more if selling privately. Any car that is running and roadworthy is probably worth $3k.
The important clue was she was driving it and it was fine, until she suddenly left for a new job 2500 miles away.

I still say bring in the “guy” to get it running first. Who knows, you may want it for yourself.

I’m curious, why did she buy a right hand drive in the first place?

I don't need another car and though I like the looks of the Jag it is impractical for me. That was just a photo to show the car and color........my brother sent that pix, hers has left hand drive which I believe I did say in my first post.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

We got the generator in September and so far it has gone on 5 times.....the first 4 times for about one hour. Last night it went on for just over 3 hours, from 5:30 p.m. until 8:45. For some reason, if the electricity goes our cable goes, so no computer and no cable TV, and no streaming.
But, we have DVDs and all they need is electricity to run the DVD player and the TV. I wasn't for getting the generator but it is probably a good thing. So far it has only cost about $2000 an hour for the service, but, that should balance out after a few years, and would be really appreciated if we have a blackout of 5 hours or more.

You can’t put a price on power when you need it but I have to ask, what is going on with the Canadian grid if the power has become that unreliable?

We live in a town attached to a major city....I think the area is growing faster than they can maintain infrastructure. Whenever the power goes off I think 3rd world country....but Florida is almost as bad.
I get the feeling utility companies try to get away with doing as little as possible - it isn't like you can go to a competitor.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

sb55 said:

Happy Boxing Day to those who celebrate that tradition.

Thanks!
We can't even go to a store to buy Boxing Day Specials.....total lockdown in Ontario for 4 weeks beginning today. Only grocery and hardware stores allowed to open at 50% capacity. No gyms, no restaurants (take out only), no skiing, no getting together etc.
Had to do it I guess, the numbers were treading upward and hospitals could get overwhelmed.

What’s the vaccine status in Canada? I’m not sure how that works internationally. My brother who is a respiratory therapist right on the front lines got his shot and is due for the 2nd on Jan. 5th.

I’m not sure where I fall on the pecking order but my contrarian nature makes me reluctant to get it regardless of my at-risk status as an elderly codger.

We are slightly behind the U.S. in getting vaccines out. Both countries have bought millions of doses, and we have similar plans for distributing it. I'll get a vaccine shot as soon as it's available. So far almost 2 million dead in the world, 350000 Americans dead, about 15000 Canadians.....and no real issues for someone who has been vaccinated. About 1/3 of people who get covid and recover say they thought they would die from it.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

sb55 said:

driver100 said:

sb55 said:

Happy Boxing Day to those who celebrate that tradition.

Thanks!
We can't even go to a store to buy Boxing Day Specials.....total lockdown in Ontario for 4 weeks beginning today. Only grocery and hardware stores allowed to open at 50% capacity. No gyms, no restaurants (take out only), no skiing, no getting together etc.
Had to do it I guess, the numbers were treading upward and hospitals could get overwhelmed.

Same here in Vermont. This State has been quite good at maintaining a lowish level of Covid infections. No national policy, so it's up to each State to do whatever they want. We talked to friends in Florida, and no restrictions at all.

We went into a McDonalds for lunch in Rutland the other day and they were closed for sit down dining. Because we dared to enter the premises instead of using the drive thru we were required to sign in with name and phone number for contact tracing.

That's good that they are attempting to track people...if need be.

driver100

I have been to a wedding that must have cost $500000.....they had a 7 piece band and someone said the flowers on each table....there were about 25 tables, someone said the flowers on each table cost about $2000. It was in a castle in NY state.......for appetizers you went to the food of your choice, Chinese, Mexican, Indian, Italian etc.

The weddings I like the most are probably the least expensive, held in a tent in the backyard. These weddings are informal, friendly, not pretentious, and real.

suydam

I like all types of weddings, although that huge one sounds pretty over the top. I guess they employed a lot of people! It’s just if you have a large extended family they won’t all fit in someone’s yard! And if people are flying in from other countries, they’re not expecting a half-afternoon ceremony and then they go home. It’s more like a big family reunion. That’s what ours was like. Our own wedding back in the day was very small and we paid for everything ourselves. I liked that too.

roadburner

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

sb55 said:

driver100 said:

sb55 said:

Happy Boxing Day to those who celebrate that tradition.

Thanks!
We can't even go to a store to buy Boxing Day Specials.....total lockdown in Ontario for 4 weeks beginning today. Only grocery and hardware stores allowed to open at 50% capacity. No gyms, no restaurants (take out only), no skiing, no getting together etc.
Had to do it I guess, the numbers were treading upward and hospitals could get overwhelmed.

Same here in Vermont. This State has been quite good at maintaining a lowish level of Covid infections. No national policy, so it's up to each State to do whatever they want. We talked to friends in Florida, and no restrictions at all.

We went into a McDonalds for lunch in Rutland the other day and they were closed for sit down dining. Because we dared to enter the premises instead of using the drive thru we were required to sign in with name and phone number for contact tracing.

That's good that they are attempting to track people...if need be.

You’ll really be ecstatic when they start asking if you have “the proper papers.”

ab348

roadburner said:

You’ll really be ecstatic when they start asking if you have “the proper papers.”

You'll know it's gone too far when they want to start tattooing people's arms to show who got the vaccine.

qbrozen

ab348 said:

roadburner said:

You’ll really be ecstatic when they start asking if you have “the proper papers.”

You'll know it's gone too far when they want to start tattooing people's arms to show who got the vaccine.

That’s exactly what I [sarcastically] told my wife a few days ago they SHOULD do. ;b

oldfarmer50

fintail said:

Not kidding at all. Property tax rates in WA are not particularly high. Tax obligations can be high because of insane property values, but I only have crocodile tears for many of those in such a bind. Tots and pears for their well-being.

The problem with WA taxes is that they are often regressive, but the WA tax burden isn't in the upper echelon of heavily taxed states.

isellhondas said:

Relatively low property taxes? You ARE kidding....right?

If you think 9000.00 a year for our 2400 sq. foot house in Issaquah is low than you are right on!

Add our ten percent sales tax and high car tabs and we are taxed pretty well I would say!

NY is the highest taxed state in the country but ironically, we don’t pay the highest property taxes or the highest car registration fees. We even have doc fees capped at $75.

People who own homes in the crumbling cities are the ones who really get hosed. Because industry and business has been chased out the burden falls heaviest on home owners. Some pay up to 10% of market value.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

sb55 said:

driver100 said:

sb55 said:

Happy Boxing Day to those who celebrate that tradition.

Thanks!
We can't even go to a store to buy Boxing Day Specials.....total lockdown in Ontario for 4 weeks beginning today. Only grocery and hardware stores allowed to open at 50% capacity. No gyms, no restaurants (take out only), no skiing, no getting together etc.
Had to do it I guess, the numbers were treading upward and hospitals could get overwhelmed.

Same here in Vermont. This State has been quite good at maintaining a lowish level of Covid infections. No national policy, so it's up to each State to do whatever they want. We talked to friends in Florida, and no restrictions at all.

We went into a McDonalds for lunch in Rutland the other day and they were closed for sit down dining. Because we dared to enter the premises instead of using the drive thru we were required to sign in with name and phone number for contact tracing.

That's good that they are attempting to track people...if need be.

Not really. I saw a lot of made up names and phony phone numbers on the list.

Unless Mickey Mouse was visiting Vermont that day.

driver100

roadburner said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

sb55 said:

driver100 said:

sb55 said:

Happy Boxing Day to those who celebrate that tradition.

Thanks!
We can't even go to a store to buy Boxing Day Specials.....total lockdown in Ontario for 4 weeks beginning today. Only grocery and hardware stores allowed to open at 50% capacity. No gyms, no restaurants (take out only), no skiing, no getting together etc.
Had to do it I guess, the numbers were treading upward and hospitals could get overwhelmed.

Same here in Vermont. This State has been quite good at maintaining a lowish level of Covid infections. No national policy, so it's up to each State to do whatever they want. We talked to friends in Florida, and no restrictions at all.

We went into a McDonalds for lunch in Rutland the other day and they were closed for sit down dining. Because we dared to enter the premises instead of using the drive thru we were required to sign in with name and phone number for contact tracing.

That's good that they are attempting to track people...if need be.

You’ll really be ecstatic when they start asking if you have “the proper papers.”

If someone at the restaurant had covid you wouldn't want to know so you could get tested, in case you picked up the virus.....which you may take home and infect your family, friends or an older person?

oldfarmer50

roadburner said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

sb55 said:

driver100 said:

sb55 said:

Happy Boxing Day to those who celebrate that tradition.

Thanks!
We can't even go to a store to buy Boxing Day Specials.....total lockdown in Ontario for 4 weeks beginning today. Only grocery and hardware stores allowed to open at 50% capacity. No gyms, no restaurants (take out only), no skiing, no getting together etc.
Had to do it I guess, the numbers were treading upward and hospitals could get overwhelmed.

Same here in Vermont. This State has been quite good at maintaining a lowish level of Covid infections. No national policy, so it's up to each State to do whatever they want. We talked to friends in Florida, and no restrictions at all.

We went into a McDonalds for lunch in Rutland the other day and they were closed for sit down dining. Because we dared to enter the premises instead of using the drive thru we were required to sign in with name and phone number for contact tracing.

That's good that they are attempting to track people...if need be.

You’ll really be ecstatic when they start asking if you have “the proper papers.”

You have to remember that driver100’s government just fined a Christmas caroler $1300 for singing in an empty park. Showing papers is tame by comparison.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

sb55 said:

driver100 said:

sb55 said:

Happy Boxing Day to those who celebrate that tradition.

Thanks!
We can't even go to a store to buy Boxing Day Specials.....total lockdown in Ontario for 4 weeks beginning today. Only grocery and hardware stores allowed to open at 50% capacity. No gyms, no restaurants (take out only), no skiing, no getting together etc.
Had to do it I guess, the numbers were treading upward and hospitals could get overwhelmed.

Same here in Vermont. This State has been quite good at maintaining a lowish level of Covid infections. No national policy, so it's up to each State to do whatever they want. We talked to friends in Florida, and no restrictions at all.

We went into a McDonalds for lunch in Rutland the other day and they were closed for sit down dining. Because we dared to enter the premises instead of using the drive thru we were required to sign in with name and phone number for contact tracing.

That's good that they are attempting to track people...if need be.

Not really. I saw a lot of made up names and phony phone numbers on the list.

Unless Mickey Mouse was visiting Vermont that day.

It is easy to write a phony name and phone number...........who is it cheating? Possibly your own family or friends.....great!

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

roadburner said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

sb55 said:

driver100 said:

sb55 said:

Happy Boxing Day to those who celebrate that tradition.

Thanks!
We can't even go to a store to buy Boxing Day Specials.....total lockdown in Ontario for 4 weeks beginning today. Only grocery and hardware stores allowed to open at 50% capacity. No gyms, no restaurants (take out only), no skiing, no getting together etc.
Had to do it I guess, the numbers were treading upward and hospitals could get overwhelmed.

Same here in Vermont. This State has been quite good at maintaining a lowish level of Covid infections. No national policy, so it's up to each State to do whatever they want. We talked to friends in Florida, and no restrictions at all.

We went into a McDonalds for lunch in Rutland the other day and they were closed for sit down dining. Because we dared to enter the premises instead of using the drive thru we were required to sign in with name and phone number for contact tracing.

That's good that they are attempting to track people...if need be.

You’ll really be ecstatic when they start asking if you have “the proper papers.”

You have to remember that driver100’s government just fined a Christmas caroler $1300 for singing in an empty park. Showing papers is tame by comparison.

Our rules are pretty strict in comparison, but, the stricter the rules the fewer deaths and fewer cases filling up hospitals. Take your choice.

roadburner

driver100 said:

roadburner said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

sb55 said:

driver100 said:

sb55 said:

Happy Boxing Day to those who celebrate that tradition.

Thanks!
We can't even go to a store to buy Boxing Day Specials.....total lockdown in Ontario for 4 weeks beginning today. Only grocery and hardware stores allowed to open at 50% capacity. No gyms, no restaurants (take out only), no skiing, no getting together etc.
Had to do it I guess, the numbers were treading upward and hospitals could get overwhelmed.

Same here in Vermont. This State has been quite good at maintaining a lowish level of Covid infections. No national policy, so it's up to each State to do whatever they want. We talked to friends in Florida, and no restrictions at all.

We went into a McDonalds for lunch in Rutland the other day and they were closed for sit down dining. Because we dared to enter the premises instead of using the drive thru we were required to sign in with name and phone number for contact tracing.

That's good that they are attempting to track people...if need be.

You’ll really be ecstatic when they start asking if you have “the proper papers.”

If someone at the restaurant had covid you wouldn't want to know so you could get tested, in case you picked up the virus.....which you may take home and infect your family, friends or an older person?

Nope.

snakeweasel

roadburner said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

sb55 said:

driver100 said:

sb55 said:

Happy Boxing Day to those who celebrate that tradition.

Thanks!
We can't even go to a store to buy Boxing Day Specials.....total lockdown in Ontario for 4 weeks beginning today. Only grocery and hardware stores allowed to open at 50% capacity. No gyms, no restaurants (take out only), no skiing, no getting together etc.
Had to do it I guess, the numbers were treading upward and hospitals could get overwhelmed.

Same here in Vermont. This State has been quite good at maintaining a lowish level of Covid infections. No national policy, so it's up to each State to do whatever they want. We talked to friends in Florida, and no restrictions at all.

We went into a McDonalds for lunch in Rutland the other day and they were closed for sit down dining. Because we dared to enter the premises instead of using the drive thru we were required to sign in with name and phone number for contact tracing.

That's good that they are attempting to track people...if need be.

You’ll really be ecstatic when they start asking if you have “the proper papers.”

Like drivers license, registration and proof of insurance,

snakeweasel

oldfarmer50 said:

fintail said:

Not kidding at all. Property tax rates in WA are not particularly high. Tax obligations can be high because of insane property values, but I only have crocodile tears for many of those in such a bind. Tots and pears for their well-being.

The problem with WA taxes is that they are often regressive, but the WA tax burden isn't in the upper echelon of heavily taxed states.

isellhondas said:

Relatively low property taxes? You ARE kidding....right?

If you think 9000.00 a year for our 2400 sq. foot house in Issaquah is low than you are right on!

Add our ten percent sales tax and high car tabs and we are taxed pretty well I would say!

NY is the highest taxed state in the country but ironically, we don’t pay the highest property taxes or the highest car registration fees. We even have doc fees capped at $75.

People who own homes in the crumbling cities are the ones who really get hosed. Because industry and business has been chased out the burden falls heaviest on home owners. Some pay up to 10% of market value.

I would say that claiming that a state is higher or lower in taxes is hard to do because most states the tax burden varies across the state. Property, gas and sales taxes vary across a state. The tax burden I have here in the suburbs of Chicago is way higher than it would be in in some smaller town in downstate IL.

imidazol97

oldfarmer50 said:

NY is the highest taxed state in the country but ironically, we don’t pay the highest property taxes or the highest car registration fees. We even have doc fees capped at $75.

People who own homes in the crumbling cities are the ones who really get hosed. Because industry and business has been chased out the burden falls heaviest on home owners. Some pay up to 10% of market value.

It is really hard to compare total cost of owning a home in various states because the taxes are structured in different ways. How public schools are funded is a first start. Here it's a mixture of local property taxes, sales tax, income/earnings tax in some cases, and state money from their income and sales tax. Ohio has a sales tax statewide and has an income tax, which had been reduced substantially over several years, but still is regressive in that it penalizes high incomes with a higher tax rate. There is no consideration given to different types of income such as long term capital gains like there is in the Federal tax code.

Local communities get operating money from property taxes and income earnings taxes in the case of some cities. Others have added on the regressive tax of red light cameras and speed zone cameras.

One of our more incompetent taxing units in the county has just resurrected their camera setup and raised the "penalties." I was really glad to see @graphicguy being able to back down the silly money grab on speed cameras while the media dummies still quote the city fathers saying that speed cameras and red light cameras save lives--with no proof that's valid. Sounds like election stuff. I venture into the political division that's bring back cameras occasionally and I have yet to see a police car on the road or parked at a donut shop; instead they pretend cameras will prevent aggressive driving, bad driving, and under-the-influence driving.

Further the sales taxes by the state don't tax certain unprepared edible foods, but other items are taxed. The county sales taxes are added onto that and follow the same rules. In others states instead of a 5.5% state sales tax their total tax was 10% on some types of items but no state income tax. I don't know how their schools are funded.

The State recently got internet sales items taxed from most companies delivering items into the state--Amazon was the big target for the spenders in Columbus.

snakeweasel

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

sb55 said:

driver100 said:

sb55 said:

Happy Boxing Day to those who celebrate that tradition.

Thanks!
We can't even go to a store to buy Boxing Day Specials.....total lockdown in Ontario for 4 weeks beginning today. Only grocery and hardware stores allowed to open at 50% capacity. No gyms, no restaurants (take out only), no skiing, no getting together etc.
Had to do it I guess, the numbers were treading upward and hospitals could get overwhelmed.

Same here in Vermont. This State has been quite good at maintaining a lowish level of Covid infections. No national policy, so it's up to each State to do whatever they want. We talked to friends in Florida, and no restrictions at all.

We went into a McDonalds for lunch in Rutland the other day and they were closed for sit down dining. Because we dared to enter the premises instead of using the drive thru we were required to sign in with name and phone number for contact tracing.

That's good that they are attempting to track people...if need be.

Not really. I saw a lot of made up names and phony phone numbers on the list.

Unless Mickey Mouse was visiting Vermont that day.

Yes I came across that and noticed how many people are familiar with the musical ramblings of one Tommy Tutone.

ab348

imidazol97 said:

Ohio has a sales tax statewide and has an income tax, which had been reduced substantially over several years, but still is regressive in that it penalizes high incomes with a higher tax rate.

Tax theorists actually call that a "progressive" tax in that those who can supposedly afford to pay more do pay more proportionatly than some poor slob. Up here in Canada govts worship the idea of progressive taxes.

explorerx4

@snakeweasel,
I like that you can tailor it to your own area code.

kyfdx

snakeweasel said:

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

sb55 said:

driver100 said:

sb55 said:

Happy Boxing Day to those who celebrate that tradition.

Thanks!
We can't even go to a store to buy Boxing Day Specials.....total lockdown in Ontario for 4 weeks beginning today. Only grocery and hardware stores allowed to open at 50% capacity. No gyms, no restaurants (take out only), no skiing, no getting together etc.
Had to do it I guess, the numbers were treading upward and hospitals could get overwhelmed.

Same here in Vermont. This State has been quite good at maintaining a lowish level of Covid infections. No national policy, so it's up to each State to do whatever they want. We talked to friends in Florida, and no restrictions at all.

We went into a McDonalds for lunch in Rutland the other day and they were closed for sit down dining. Because we dared to enter the premises instead of using the drive thru we were required to sign in with name and phone number for contact tracing.

That's good that they are attempting to track people...if need be.

Not really. I saw a lot of made up names and phony phone numbers on the list.

Unless Mickey Mouse was visiting Vermont that day.

Yes I came across that and noticed how many people are familiar with the musical ramblings of one Tommy Tutone.

Shortly before the COVID shutdown, Tommy Tutone played at a benefit we went to. Even in his early '70s, that was pretty cool.

imidazol97

We need some appliance stories. I'll submit mine: I noticed the Lennox heat pump system kept using backup heat yesterday--cold outside. (The iguanas were all falling from the trees.) I checked this morning and the outside compressor unit isn't running. No air handler fan. No compressor. No clicking. No nuthin. Grrrrr.

Will call for service tomorrow. I need to check on Lemon Law for heat pumps in Ohio. Now that this one is 4 years old it's had several major repairs. I can't wait to see what this one is. There's still a 5-year warranty on some things with this unit. I feel like I'm back in the 60s where cars lasted 60K miles and then you started expecting repairs and traded it in.

fintail

I think in WA the average rate is under 1%. But when numerous Seattle suburbs have average detached housing prices approaching 1MM, if not exceeding it, it can be a little onerous I suppose. Of course, if I was lucky enough to have that equity and was in a position to do so, I might seek more mellow pastures and let a rat race participant overpay for my old abode. There are also reductions/exemptions for senior citizens under a certain income threshold, and I think the limit is around 60K, so not poverty level.

I've seen that high tax in crumbling urban area theme apply to Chicago and Detroit, too. IIRC, TX also has high property taxes. An old friend moved from suburban Seattle to Austin, and griped that the taxes there were a bit more than on his WA house that was worth a bit more.

oldfarmer50 said:

NY is the highest taxed state in the country but ironically, we don’t pay the highest property taxes or the highest car registration fees. We even have doc fees capped at $75.

People who own homes in the crumbling cities are the ones who really get hosed. Because industry and business has been chased out the burden falls heaviest on home owners. Some pay up to 10% of market value.

fintail

Regressive taxes are those that put more of a burden on lower income households (those with less disposable income). The trickle down fantasy we've embraced for virtually my entire life has almost universally been shown to be a failure, not producing the benefits claimed by supporters, while resorting in the hoarding/hiding of wealth as the socio-economic gap expands and economic mobility slows. No powerful rich nation treats the top few as generously as the US.

No tax on unprepared food here in WA, but prepared food carries the standard sales tax.

I'd like to see in-depth independent audits of those camera schemes, and the greased palms involved in their installation and operation.

imidazol97 said:

It is really hard to compare total cost of owning a home in various states because the taxes are structured in different ways. How public schools are funded is a first start. Here it's a mixture of local property taxes, sales tax, income/earnings tax in some cases, and state money from their income and sales tax. Ohio has a sales tax statewide and has an income tax, which had been reduced substantially over several years, but still is regressive in that it penalizes high incomes with a higher tax rate. There is no consideration given to different types of income such as long term capital gains like there is in the Federal tax code.

Local communities get operating money from property taxes and income earnings taxes in the case of some cities. Others have added on the regressive tax of red light cameras and speed zone cameras.

One of our more incompetent taxing units in the county has just resurrected their camera setup and raised the "penalties." I was really glad to see @graphicguy being able to back down the silly money grab on speed cameras while the media dummies still quote the city fathers saying that speed cameras and red light cameras save lives--with no proof that's valid. Sounds like election stuff. I venture into the political division that's bring back cameras occasionally and I have yet to see a police car on the road or parked at a donut shop; instead they pretend cameras will prevent aggressive driving, bad driving, and under-the-influence driving.

Further the sales taxes by the state don't tax certain unprepared edible foods, but other items are taxed. The county sales taxes are added onto that and follow the same rules. In others states instead of a 5.5% state sales tax their total tax was 10% on some types of items but no state income tax. I don't know how their schools are funded.

The State recently got internet sales items taxed from most companies delivering items into the state--Amazon was the big target for the spenders in Columbus.

graphicguy

@imidazol97 ...I think the municipalities are hoping it’s a little too convenient to send in the fine with no points added to your license. What they didn’t plan in my case, I guess enough of us decided to fight them, it cost too much to hear the cases and not worth pushing the boundaries of using red light cameras.

It’s easy money if they can get enough people to just pay the fine without getting labor on their end involved.

Funny.....on Christmas Eve, Butler County (the county I live in) announced they were running a DUI check point from 4:00 p.m. to 7:00 p.m. They arrested no one. Why that was not totally predictable, escapes me.

I wonder whose bright idea that was? And, how much overtime that cost the County.

Quite a big “bah....humbug”!!!!!!!!

Never underestimate the greed and ignorance of some of our community leaders.

graphicguy

@oldfarmer50 ...GOOD Audio Turntables were the sole province of the British for much of the 60s. The U.S. dominated in the ‘50s and earlier. As the Japanese did quite a bit in the ‘70s, they noticed and started building better turntables. They dominated the category in the mid-‘70s until the CD took over (mid-late ‘80s).

Sony, Victor (JVC), Pioneer, Denon, Kenwood, Marantz took over by making high quality turntables that were better than anything coming out of the U.S. or Europe at the time.

The one I’m working on is probably from the height of Japanese turntable market. Extremely well made...high quality components and assembly.

I’ll probably have $300 invested in hard costs and 20-25 hours of my time. Not sure what it’s worth once finished.

Zenith, RCA, etc. became after thoughts. They never really even tried to compete in the midrange-high end turntable field. Some players like VPI are still in the turntable business, but they’re niche, and quite expensive.

roadburner

imidazol97 said:

We need some appliance stories. I'll submit mine: I noticed the Lennox heat pump system kept using backup heat yesterday--cold outside. I checked this morning and the outside compressor unit isn't running. No air handler fan. No compressor. No clicking. No nuthin. Grrrrr.

Will call for service tomorrow. I need to check on Lemon Law for heat pumps in Ohio. Now that this one is 4 years old it's had several major repairs. I can't wait to see what this one is. There's still a 5-year warranty on some things with this unit. I feel like I'm back in the 60s where cars lasted 60K miles and then you started expecting repairs and traded it in.

I'll bet its a starting capacitor.

roadburner

graphicguy said:

@imidazol97 ...I think the municipalities are hoping it’s a little too convenient to send in the fine with no points added to your license. What they didn’t plan in my case, I guess enough of us decided to fight them, it cost too much to hear the cases and not worth pushing the boundaries of using red light cameras.

It’s easy money if they can get enough people to just pay the fine without getting labor on their end involved.

Funny.....on Christmas Eve, Butler County (the county I live in) announced they were running a DUI check point from 4:00 p.m. to 7:00 p.m. They arrested no one. Why that was not totally predictable, escapes me.

I wonder whose bright idea that was? And, how much overtime that cost the County.

Quite a big “bah....humbug”!!!!!!!!

Never underestimate the greed and ignorance of some of our community leaders.

I got called on the carpet by Kentucky's Judicial Conduct Commission for referring to court costs as legalized extortion. They also didn't like me discussing DOT paperwork violations in open court using a German accent.