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driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

About driving with one foot or two.
For most people, driving using one foot is the way they learned to drive and that is probably best for most people. However, there is a case to be made that driving with 2 feet may cause fewer accidents;

A handful of experts, such as retired UCLA psychologist and ergonomics researcher Richard A. Schmidt, believe using two feet can solve a big problem: crashes that happen when a driver accidentally hits the gas pedal instead of the brake. Schmidt says these crashes are far more common than most of us realize — and the government estimates there are about 16,000 of them per year.

However, pedal error is a surprisingly controversial topic, and others say that many of these crashes actually result from cars' defective electronic systems and sticky gas pedals. But the bottom line is that this sort of error does cause at least some crashes. Schmidt and others argue that two foot driving could be a solution.

The most often-cited reason that drivers of automatic cars should still use one foot is the idea that, if you use both feet and accidentally step on both pedals at once, you can do serious damage to your car — specifically, putting strain on the torque converter, transmission fluid, and brake fluid.

This was certainly true in the past. But after a series of high-profile defect-related unintended acceleration crashes — such as the ones that plagued Toyota vehicles in 2009, caused by floor mats and sticky gas pedals — automakers widely adopted a new technology that solves the problem.

These brake override systems automatically detect if both pedals are pressed down, and cut power to the engine if they are. They're now standard for the vast majority of new cars. And with both this technology and automatic transmission in place, there's not an obvious downside to using your left foot to brake.

If I am in heavy traffic and edging up slowly I prefer to use 2 feet. I don't think there is a right way or a wrong way, it is what you are more comfortable with. You would think the safety people could measure reaction times and come up with a more definitive answer.

https://www.vox.com/2015/7/1/8877583/two-foot-driving-pedal-error

Paying attention to your driving will do a lot more to avoid accidents than how many feet you use.

True, unless you are this guy:

qbrozen

My clown shoes are exactly why I can't heel-toe.

jmonroe1

kyfdx said:

jmonroe1 said:

kyfdx said:

Thought this history of my HVAC usage was interesting.
Seriously great weather for October.

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Just curious but what do you do with info like that?

jmonroe

You show the wife, and then tell her to quit screwing with the thermostat..

Seriously, I thought just 20 hours of heating in the last 42 days was pretty phenomenal.
September was good, because we were gone for 16 days,.

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OK, but if it was 40 hours of heat? I guess you would have had to live with that too unless you’re a thermostat jiggler.

From what I’ve been hearing any savings that was achieved these past few months will be more than gone when we get our first real Winter months heating bill.

FWIW, I never thought that taking a vacation would save me money. Oh it will as far as the utility bills are concerned but we all know the vacation spending will far exceed those utility bill savings.

Another FWIW, I have a penny pinching nephew who earmarks the savings on his utility bills as at least one free dinner while on vacation. Whatever floats your boat.

jmonroe

henryn

oldfarmer50 said:

ab348 said:

snakeweasel said:

Oh I have nothing against James Bond (even though I think Steed is the better English agent)

Coincidentally, yesterday I was fooling around with Roku and found that they list The Avengers as being available. Turns out they seem to only have seasons 2 through 5 or so. Not totally a bad thing as those have Honor Blackman in many episodes and I really like her. Unfortunately the quality is not great and they are in B&W of course. It appears that it was all shot on video, not film, in those early years. Production is pretty crude too.

One of the high number channels on cable used to have the old Avenger series. Forget trying to Google anything because all you get are the streaming services that paid to place their product high in the results. Google is totally useless these days.

I wouldn't go that far. Some searches do get overloaded with advertising results, but entering better search terms will usually improve your results. For instance, don't just enter "avengers", enter "is the avengers tv series streaming anywhere".

I will admit that trying to use any search engine on a smartphone is an exercise in frustration. Much easier on a computer, where you can quickly scan down the page and pick out the actual results.

explorerx4

Decided to put my thermostat on a schedule the other day.
Can't really compare it to anything since we haven't been here long.

henryn

Are you following the internal saga over at Twitter? I'm really glad that I'm not working there. Early on in my career I worked at a few jobs that weren't exactly stable, and I remember the deep seated anxieties induced by the kind of mayhem and chaos that are being experienced there right now.

Without a stable work environment, I don't see how Twitter can survive as a business. Twitter is selling a service, and that service requires skilled dedicated employees. Musk has laid off half the work force (literally), and the half that are still there are probably spending more time worrying and searching for a better job than actually performing their present duties.

oldfarmer50

henryn said:

Are you following the internal saga over at Twitter? I'm really glad that I'm not working there. Early on in my career I worked at a few jobs that weren't exactly stable, and I remember the deep seated anxieties induced by the kind of mayhem and chaos that are being experienced there right now.

Without a stable work environment, I don't see how Twitter can survive as a business. Twitter is selling a service, and that service requires skilled dedicated employees. Musk has laid off half the work force (literally), and the half that are still there are probably spending more time worrying and searching for a better job than actually performing their present duties.

No different than a lot of other corporate takeovers, just more publicized. My company fired about half it’s employees during covid and laid off one of their most valuable assets…ME. Nobody blinked an eye.

Michaell

snakeweasel said:

Delete

I'm trying but it won't let me.

I can give you the rights, but your dues will go up.

Way up.

driver100

There is no loyalty anymore..........when they need to improve the bottom line you can be gone in a flash.

explorerx4

Software is usually a fairly chaotic environment, in my experience.
The company I worked for for 25 years went though a lot of people.
Some couldn't handle it and others didn't like it.
I tried to ride the highs and survive the lows.
I'm not really a social media person but Twitter could be one of those 'flavor of the month' things,

driver100

MrsD100 ordered a bottle of CoQ10 supplement from Amazon, $30.....don't ask.
We got 2 little envelopes from Amazon today, the paper one had the bottle of CoQ10.
The other one was empty and wasn't sealed, the label on both were exactly the same.
I reported to her that we got an empty package from Amazon.
She reported it and they said we are good customer and they issued a refund for $30.
After discussing it further we realized we actually did get the one bottle we ordered, but they were issuing a credit.
I went on customer service and explained to the agent that we found the missing item, and we would like to pay for it.
She said don't worry about it, we are good customers and they already issued the credit.

What a great country and what a great company, now I can take MrsD100 out for dinner tomorrow night!

driver100

explorerx4 said:

I'm not really a social media person but Twitter could be one of those 'flavor of the month' things,

Ha ha....Musk pays $44 Billion with a B for twitter because it would have cost him a bundle to pull out of his crazy deal.....and then all the corporations that bought ads pull out because they don't want to be associated with the extremists and crazy people who post on twitter. And then he cuts the staff because he has to cut back on expenses because he lost his major advertisers.

It would be really funny if people protested his owning Twitter by not buying Teslas.

henryn

I'm not much for social media myself, I have had an account on Twitter for several years, but I have never posted. Likewise an account on Facebook, mainly to follow my granddaughters and see their latest pictures. And an occasional use of Facebook marketplace. But I don't "follow" anyone on Twitter, and never have. Remembering what happened to MySpace, anything is possible. It strikes me as curious that anyone could possibly value the company at $44B with this kind of profit and loss:

explorerx4

Some tech Companies don't seem to operate on the traditional profit/loss metric.
A few years ago, I read a really interesting book about HubSpot; Disrupted: My Misadventure in the Start Up Bubble.
They started in 06 and as far as I can tell have only made a profit 1 year.
Usually they lose between 40 to 50 mil a year.
Their stock price has not reflected that over the years.

jmonroe1

driver100 said:

explorerx4 said:

I'm not really a social media person but Twitter could be one of those 'flavor of the month' things,

Ha ha....Musk pays $44 Billion with a B for twitter because it would have cost him a bundle to pull out of his crazy deal.....and then all the corporations that bought ads pull out because they don't want to be associated with the extremists and crazy people who post on twitter. And then he cuts the staff because he has to cut back on expenses because he lost his major advertisers.

It would be really funny if people protested his owning Twitter by not buying Teslas.

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Who says they haven’t?

A neighbor of Son #2 decided not to buy a Tesla they were seriously considering because of the Twitter thing. The guy owns a smallish company and has cut costs considerably since Covid to avoid having to lay people off. He’s climbing out of it now and feels too many companies took the easy way out without even trying. There could be more like him.

FWIW, this year will be the first time since Covid that his company will have their annual Christmas party for its employees and their families. My son said he’s as happy as a kid on Christmas morning. Where did this guy come from?

jmonroe

ab348

I was trying to get my head around this Musk/Twitter thing. In a logical or sane world it makes no sense. Why would a supposedly brilliant person like him spend over $40 billion for a company that he now is saying may be facing bankruptcy? On the surface it it hard to understand.
Yesterday though a financial reporter for CBC up here posted a theory that he wants to bankrupt it, as it would allow him to take a big paper loss and resolve some big tax liabilities he is facing. Then he takes it out of bankruptcy for pennies on the dollar and can boast about how he outsmarted the Feds.
I don’t know why anyone would want to buy anything this guy is involved with.

stickguy

That is certainly possible (a tax scam).

but Twitter certainly could just disappear. someone mentioned myspace. there have been other platforms that were the hot thing that just crashed when people moved on. Twitter has no actual value. If users find another platform and move to it, Twit can just fade away.

snakeweasel

henryn said:

Are you following the internal saga over at Twitter? I'm really glad that I'm not working there. Early on in my career I worked at a few jobs that weren't exactly stable, and I remember the deep seated anxieties induced by the kind of mayhem and chaos that are being experienced there right now.

Without a stable work environment, I don't see how Twitter can survive as a business. Twitter is selling a service, and that service requires skilled dedicated employees. Musk has laid off half the work force (literally), and the half that are still there are probably spending more time worrying and searching for a better job than actually performing their present duties.

My understanding is that Twitter didn't have an exactly efficient work environment. You should see what some twitter employees were posting about their work schedule. Not something I would have gotten away with at any job I ever had.

snakeweasel

Michaell said:

snakeweasel said:

Delete

I'm trying but it won't let me.

I can give you the rights, but your dues will go up.

Way up.

Then just give me the wrongs.

fintail

ab348 said:

I was trying to get my head around this Musk/Twitter thing. In a logical or sane world it makes no sense. Why would a supposedly brilliant person like him spend over $40 billion for a company that he now is saying may be facing bankruptcy? On the surface it it hard to understand.
Yesterday though a financial reporter for CBC up here posted a theory that he wants to bankrupt it, as it would allow him to take a big paper loss and resolve some big tax liabilities he is facing. Then he takes it out of bankruptcy for pennies on the dollar and can boast about how he outsmarted the Feds.
I don’t know why anyone would want to buy anything this guy is involved with.

Musk found a way to alienate users, shareholders, and employees in one fell swoop. Now that's a visionary. There will probably be some kind of "too big to fail" publicly funded bailout or similar assistance eventually, seems to be his MO.

The weirdly hyped untouchable contrarian mess is why I will never buy a Tesla no matter what they make.

snakeweasel

ab348 said:

I was trying to get my head around this Musk/Twitter thing. In a logical or sane world it makes no sense. Why would a supposedly brilliant person like him spend over $40 billion for a company that he now is saying may be facing bankruptcy? On the surface it it hard to understand.
Yesterday though a financial reporter for CBC up here posted a theory that he wants to bankrupt it, as it would allow him to take a big paper loss and resolve some big tax liabilities he is facing. Then he takes it out of bankruptcy for pennies on the dollar and can boast about how he outsmarted the Feds.
I don’t know why anyone would want to buy anything this guy is involved with.

Well you don't become the worlds richest person by making poor financial decisions.

driver100

Musk is a genius at making products and being a visionary. He got angry that he couldn't tweet whatever he wanted to tweet so he bought the company.....to show them. But, visionary genius's should not get involved in financial deals....very few can pull that one off.
Talking about that, I see Bitcoin isn't doing very well either....easy come, easy go.

Michaell

driver100 said:

Musk is a genius at making products and being a visionary. He got angry that he couldn't tweet whatever he wanted to tweet so he bought the company.....to show them. But, visionary genius's should not get involved in financial deals....very few can pull that one off.
Talking about that, I see Bitcoin isn't doing very well either....easy come, easy go.

Forget Bitcoin … read up on FTX.

28firefighter

This stuff happens - the difference is that in big tech reducing size is typically handled through attrition and slowed/stopped hiring along with cutting loose unprofitable gambles. But that doesn’t make big headlines, usually.

It’s only surprising because (1) it’s Twitter, and (2) Musk made a big stink of it. The joke amongst most of my friends is that if he’d simply announced the mandatory return to office first, he’d probably have lost 25-30% of staff right there and saved a bunch of bad PR. He’s already losing tons of individual contributors and leaders that he didn’t fire.

The market will tighten up in tech for a bit - they’re all due for some closer scrutiny about what it is they’re delivering and how many folks they need to do it. Like explorer said, those employed by the big names like Meta and Twitter etc need to ride the highs and survive the lows. It’s a low for now.

Michaell

28firefighter said:

The joke amongst most of my friends is that if he’d simply announced the mandatory return to office first, he’d probably have lost 25-30% of staff right there and saved a bunch of bad PR. He’s already losing tons of individual contributors and leaders that he didn’t fire.

There is a lot of truth to that. Our new combined company is also going through a "return to office" period, dictated by our new CEO, and I suspect there will be a fair amount of voluntary attrition due to that. In the Bay Area, our corporate HQ was in Palo Alto, and the new offices are in Santa Clara.

I'm holding out until the planning process is complete, then learn if I have a job or not. I've thrown my hat in for the job I was originally hired for, 6+ years ago. I feel like I'm the best candidate for this position, based on the (admittedly incomplete) org charts that have been shared with us.

tjc78

I think Musk was just flexing buying Twitter… the added benefit is if it loses money he gets a tax break.

My company just did a corporate layoff. I had to let go of three of my direct reports and absorb three new direct reports (and their teams) as well as another division of the business. The volume of projects in my division went way down so it’s not necessarily more work but the whole thing is a little unsettling. On top of it, my boss put in his resignation so I lose the buffer between him and the ELT.

Almost immediately they want me in the office next week to plan and go over everything. I said to my boss on the last day, “he is going to want me here at least once a week isn’t he”. His response was, probably.

It’s too far to commute so it looks like I’ll be away at least one night a week now. That’s not the big deal, being in the office is. There is no reason to drive over two hours for one in person meeting and then spend the rest of the day on Teams meetings.

oldfarmer50

henryn said:

I'm not much for social media myself, I have had an account on Twitter for several years, but I have never posted. Likewise an account on Facebook, mainly to follow my granddaughters and see their latest pictures. And an occasional use of Facebook marketplace. But I don't "follow" anyone on Twitter, and never have. Remembering what happened to MySpace, anything is possible. It strikes me as curious that anyone could possibly value the company at $44B with this kind of profit and loss:

I never had a Twitter or Facebook account either. Never had the urge to air my dirty laundry in public. Quite frankly if it wasn’t for the Christmas party I wouldn’t be here.🥳

oldfarmer50

fintail said:

ab348 said:

I was trying to get my head around this Musk/Twitter thing. In a logical or sane world it makes no sense. Why would a supposedly brilliant person like him spend over $40 billion for a company that he now is saying may be facing bankruptcy? On the surface it it hard to understand.
Yesterday though a financial reporter for CBC up here posted a theory that he wants to bankrupt it, as it would allow him to take a big paper loss and resolve some big tax liabilities he is facing. Then he takes it out of bankruptcy for pennies on the dollar and can boast about how he outsmarted the Feds.
I don’t know why anyone would want to buy anything this guy is involved with.

Musk found a way to alienate users, shareholders, and employees in one fell swoop. Now that's a visionary. There will probably be some kind of "too big to fail" publicly funded bailout or similar assistance eventually, seems to be his MO.

The weirdly hyped untouchable contrarian mess is why I will never buy a Tesla no matter what they make.

There are also people who vow to never by another GM product because they dropped their advertising.

stickguy

For years my company has been one banana peel away from a rif. You eventually stop caring. My area being sold would also not be a surprise. My job will change next year which is never fun. More concerning after my long time boss (the glue in the place) left early this year. But going into the office 4+ hours away is never happening!

I’m in that gray age range. Old enough to retire , just not quite ready, and zero desire to job hunt!

Michaell

stickguy said:

I’m in that gray age range. Old enough to retire , just not quite ready, and zero desire to job hunt!

Exactly.

driver100

I worked for a major book publishing company. When we had best sellers and sales were up the company hired more sales people. When we had losers they would let sales people go. I loved my job, but I never felt really secure. And one day they lost another line which provided additional income....and that was when they let me go after 16 years.

It was a sad day for me, but it all worked out in the end. I was 46, no one would hire me, I started my own business, and enjoyed it more and made more money. They did me a big favor Yeeeeaaaa!

snakeweasel

@stickguy said:

I’m in that gray age range. Old enough to retire , just not quite ready, and zero desire to job hunt!

I am in that same area, I've been eligible to retire with a pension for the last two years (almost) but not quite to the point where it would be a full retirement. So I'm keeping my head down and making a dash for the next 5 to 6 years.

mjfloyd1

Football weather??

laurasdada

I second that emotion; retirement neighborhood, but hope to hold out a bit longer. I still have to give props to my company, El Presidente has oft noted that they want the office to be a magnet, but not a mandate. Opening a new, waterfront office in Portland, ME next year. But, that is commute impossible for this drone. Even the ever shrinking office that I commuted to for 22 years is now a non-starter as I've moved ~45 miles farther away.

laurasdada

And, speaking of Twitter, just this one cranky old man's opinion, but other than the loss of jobs and economic support of the area, if it disappeared tomorrow: meh.
Facebook was fun for a while, reconnecting with friends from the long past, but I'm 98% read-only there. I don't Instacare, either. And, I work in IT...

graphicguy

oldfarmer50 said:

henryn said:

Are you following the internal saga over at Twitter? I'm really glad that I'm not working there. Early on in my career I worked at a few jobs that weren't exactly stable, and I remember the deep seated anxieties induced by the kind of mayhem and chaos that are being experienced there right now.

Without a stable work environment, I don't see how Twitter can survive as a business. Twitter is selling a service, and that service requires skilled dedicated employees. Musk has laid off half the work force (literally), and the half that are still there are probably spending more time worrying and searching for a better job than actually performing their present duties.

No different than a lot of other corporate takeovers, just more publicized. My company fired about half it’s employees during covid and laid off one of their most valuable assets…ME. Nobody blinked an eye.

Agree on all counts, except in Twitter’s case, they have one thing that is their primary product….content. If that content is questionable and chaotic, they won’t survive. Wait a minute, now that I think about it, they had published such questionable and chaotic posts from chaotic and questionable people before, and survived.

My bad! What am I thinking?

I still think Musk is a “tooL of the first degree and any grief he suffers is more than deserved.

BTW….I have never, nor ever will, be on twitter.

ab348

snakeweasel said:

Well you don't become the worlds richest person by making poor financial decisions.

True. But you also make a lot of people very unhappy in the process.

In his case his erratic and ego-centered personality surely results in many loathing him. What I do not understand is how he has managed to avoid the result that many other such high-profile people not quite to his level have found, i.e. either physical attacks or having his reputation destroyed by allegations, real or otherwise. He seems to be 100% pure teflon.

roadburner

I’m now about two years away from the end of my term and have absolutely no intention of running again. I will go back into the retired judge program but in that situation I can decide whether or not to take an assignment.

fintail

oldfarmer50 said:

fintail said:

ab348 said:

I was trying to get my head around this Musk/Twitter thing. In a logical or sane world it makes no sense. Why would a supposedly brilliant person like him spend over $40 billion for a company that he now is saying may be facing bankruptcy? On the surface it it hard to understand.
Yesterday though a financial reporter for CBC up here posted a theory that he wants to bankrupt it, as it would allow him to take a big paper loss and resolve some big tax liabilities he is facing. Then he takes it out of bankruptcy for pennies on the dollar and can boast about how he outsmarted the Feds.
I don’t know why anyone would want to buy anything this guy is involved with.

Musk found a way to alienate users, shareholders, and employees in one fell swoop. Now that's a visionary. There will probably be some kind of "too big to fail" publicly funded bailout or similar assistance eventually, seems to be his MO.

The weirdly hyped untouchable contrarian mess is why I will never buy a Tesla no matter what they make.

There are also people who vow to never by another GM product because they dropped their advertising.

I wonder how many of those people actually own or have owned a GM, especially as a brand new purchase (if I buy a 1992 Olds, it doesn't help GM). If social media has taught us anything, people lie.

fintail

ab348 said:

snakeweasel said:

Well you don't become the worlds richest person by making poor financial decisions.

True. But you also make a lot of people very unhappy in the process.

In his case his erratic and ego-centered personality surely results in many loathing him. What I do not understand is how he has managed to avoid the result that many other such high-profile people not quite to his level have found, i.e. either physical attacks or having his reputation destroyed by allegations, real or otherwise. He seems to be 100% pure teflon.

Even when he makes insane accusations against people that should have destroyed him professionally and financially ("pedo guy") or commits financial shenanigans, he walks away without a blemish. It's almost like the real golden rule is at work.

fintail

tjc78 said:

I think Musk was just flexing buying Twitter… the added benefit is if it loses money he gets a tax break.

My company just did a corporate layoff. I had to let go of three of my direct reports and absorb three new direct reports (and their teams) as well as another division of the business. The volume of projects in my division went way down so it’s not necessarily more work but the whole thing is a little unsettling. On top of it, my boss put in his resignation so I lose the buffer between him and the ELT.

Almost immediately they want me in the office next week to plan and go over everything. I said to my boss on the last day, “he is going to want me here at least once a week isn’t he”. His response was, probably.

It’s too far to commute so it looks like I’ll be away at least one night a week now. That’s not the big deal, being in the office is. There is no reason to drive over two hours for one in person meeting and then spend the rest of the day on Teams meetings.

I don't mind going back to the office a few days a week (if anything, I snack less there), but I have to laugh when I go in and then spend hours a day in Teams meetings. When leadership tried to reel in everyone with a full on return to work mandate, they received a wave of resignations, and I think soiled their pants just a little.

The old guard who has taken so little and given so much is eventually going to have to give up their old hovering micromanagerial ways, or suffer the brain drain consequences.

ab348

fintail said:

I don't mind going back to the office a few days a week (if anything, I snack less there), but I have to laugh when I go in and then spend hours a day in Teams meetings.

I take it as a badge of honor that having retired in 2014, I have never had to use or otherwise have anything to do with Microsoft Teams. I do recall when COVID first hit, various people I know were totally frustrated by trying to use it, unsuccessfully. If it is anything like Sharepoint, I can certainly understand why.

fintail

ab348 said:

fintail said:

I don't mind going back to the office a few days a week (if anything, I snack less there), but I have to laugh when I go in and then spend hours a day in Teams meetings.

I take it as a badge of honor that having retired in 2014, I have never had to use or otherwise have anything to do with Microsoft Teams. I do recall when COVID first hit, various people I know were totally frustrated by trying to use it, unsuccessfully. If it is anything like Sharepoint, I can certainly understand why.

I get along with Teams - I seldom have issues when using a PC to access it, but I know people have quirks on mobile. Sharepoint can suffer from quirks, more than once I have placed files in a folder and some others can't find them, but they appear for me.

One fun thing my employer implemented in wake of the new post-pandemic world - "no meetings Fridays", which would probably make edgy Elon twitch.

My mom retired in 2019, at 70 - her plan was to max out SS (not sure if I would do it that way, and my dad retired the second he was able). She's quite happy she had that timing.

snakeweasel

fintail said:

ab348 said:

fintail said:

I don't mind going back to the office a few days a week (if anything, I snack less there), but I have to laugh when I go in and then spend hours a day in Teams meetings.

I take it as a badge of honor that having retired in 2014, I have never had to use or otherwise have anything to do with Microsoft Teams. I do recall when COVID first hit, various people I know were totally frustrated by trying to use it, unsuccessfully. If it is anything like Sharepoint, I can certainly understand why.

I get along with Teams - I seldom have issues when using a PC to access it, but I know people have quirks on mobile. Sharepoint can suffer from quirks, more than once I have placed files in a folder and some others can't find them, but they appear for me.

One fun thing my employer implemented in wake of the new post-pandemic world - "no meetings Fridays", which would probably make edgy Elon twitch.

My mom retired in 2019, at 70 - her plan was to max out SS (not sure if I would do it that way, and my dad retired the second he was able). She's quite happy she had that timing.

I had a boss that always scheduled his meetings on Friday afternoon. It was actually a good idea as people kept their discussions of things to the bare minimum and the meetings were done quickly.

Michaell

I suppose one good thing has come out of all this Twitter nonsense

snakeweasel

We went out antiquing again today and I spotted something I wanted to get. I have been keeping an eye out for a nice mantel clock for our fireplace and I saw a nice one that I liked. Well it was simply the case, the dial and the glass crystal covering the dial. All it was missing was the movement and they only wanted 7 good ol Yankee greenbacks for it. Just ordered a movement with hands for it (those are pretty cheap) so soon I'll have a nice looking mantel clock for the fireplace. Too bad I won't be able to put it on the mantel until after the holidays.

stickguy

you can put it there. everybody will just look at their phone if they want to know the time anyway, like they always do. if anybody asks just say the batteries died.

snakeweasel

stickguy said:

you can put it there. everybody will just look at their phone if they want to know the time anyway, like they always do. if anybody asks just say the batteries died.

Why must there always be a wet blanket?

Anyway it's faster and easier to glance at a clock in the room than to pull your phone out of your pocket to check the time.

fintail

Michaell said:

I suppose one good thing has come out of all this Twitter nonsense

https://twitter.com/BringaTraiIor/status/1590874168001986562?cxt=HHwWhIDUoZDo9ZMsAAAA

People seem to be falling for it now and then too.

fintail

stickguy said:

you can put it there. everybody will just look at their phone if they want to know the time anyway, like they always do. if anybody asks just say the batteries died.

I have a bunch of old clocks in my front room/living room area. It's a ton of work to keep them all running, and they all run at a slightly different pace, so I just don't keep them running, but I do have them all indicating the same time - my version of Doc Brown's experiment. Now and then a visitor will notice this, and point out all the clocks are displaying the same time.