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henryn

I also jumped straight to Rolls Royce. I had to re-read the entire thing, particularly the part about Jaguar/LR dealership, before I decided it was a Range Rover.

qbrozen

ok, so I googled and found a bunch of videos of vehicles "falling" off lifts. Seems most involve crappy 2- and 4-post lifts where the arms are just long enough to get under the body lift points and they either give way or move. If this RR dealership is using such a system, they deserve whatever comes their way as a result of this. I would never trust that.

graphicguy

I dunno....aside from the obvious cosmetics, there's probably strut tower damage, front cross member probably bent, who knows what needs to be done in the engine compartment....air box, A/C condenser, radiator...then there's the wheel, linkage assembly, maybe 4WD components in the front and the electronics to drive them.

No way I'd want it repaired.

Insurance will try to do a "cosmetic pound and paint" job on it, but my guess that it will be a headache from this point forward.

driver100

When we bought the C250 I signed about 25 documents, one was something about not using a lawyer in a dispute....I agreed to arbitration. There is probably similar wording on a work order. To me it is like an accident on the road. I don't agree with it, but I don't agree that getting your car patched up is the same as making the car the way it was...........but, would you expect a 2 year old car to be replaced by a new one because of a stupid mistake?

driver100

Somebody didn't like this guy taking up two spaces:

ab348

Maybe they were just protecting passersby from the eye damage which looking at a Juke can often cause.

ab348

imidazol97 said:

That'll buff right out.

The car only shows impact damage above the left front wheel. Even the headlight is not cracked or forced out of position on the usually fragile brackets that hold it in place. The left front wheel looks straight and true, so I suspect all the force went into the top fender and the edge of the hood when that part hit something as it twisted sideways. The doors and rear panels along with the upper glass panels don't show any damage.

Couple days in the body shop will have it back to it's original quality.

You guys are seeing pictures I am not seeing. Link?

jmonroe

Michaell said:

Had my "talk" with my boss today.

Was able to artfully address the issue of compensation - the new duties are in addition to everything I'm doing now, so I pointed out that I'm now doing the work of 1.x people, and should be compensated accordingly.

Since the person I talked with is not my actual manager, I had to share with him my current salary. He understood my point and would look into some sort of raise, and that we'll talk after the holidays.

Excited about the opportunity and the chance to contribute more to the success of my group, and my company.

I don't understand why someone who is not going to be your boss is discussing this "opportunity" with you.

As for telling him your salary, I guess that is OK but I don't like the idea of it.

If you are going to assume more workload, then additional compensation should go without saying. The only "saying" should be how much.

For your sake, I hope I am wrong, but I don't like the sound of how this is going.

jmonroe

laurasdada

AB/RB: I showed her an ATS, too. Didn't seem to float her boat. She wants 4 doors and a reasonable back seat. I believe, like the ex. back in '11, she wants a German car, think her mind was preset for a 3.

Maybe I should sell her my XF and get an.....?

Yeah, that's not a good idea.

PF_Flyer

Just sayin...I'm ALWAYS thankful for our group here. It's a GREAT refuge from the Christmas panic

I did see a sharp looking ride yesterday, but I have questions about the HP/Weight ratio




And a Merry Whatever-Floats-Your-Boat to all!

jmonroe

driver100 said:

nyccarguy said:

It is a Range Rover, not a Rolls Royce. The SUV is a 2015 or 2016.

If it was a Rolls Royce it should be replaced, if it is a Range Rover it should be fixed.

Can you really "fix" a Range Rover? The owner probably needs "fixed" more than the car.

In the end, even one of @oldfarmer50's hooptie rust buckets should not fall off a rack.

jmonroe

abacomike

jmonroe said:

Michaell said:

Had my "talk" with my boss today...said Michaell.

If you are going to assume more workload, then additional compensation should go without saying. The only "saying" should be how much.

For your sake, I hope I am wrong, but I don't like the sound of how this is going.

jmonroe

I agree with your take on this, JM, to some extent. The compensation "issue" needs to be addressed, but I think the "addressing" was a bit premature and with, perhaps, the wrong person. If Michaell had been with this company for several years, compensation discussions are appropriate. But, since he has been with the company only a few short months, more tact and diplomatic "talks" are, in my opinion, a necessity. I might have done it this way:

"...thanks for the opportunity to increase the use of my skills and to manage those in my immediate work environment in achieving specific goals. Besides, my wife and I could sure use the extra compensation that I am sure will go along with the added responsibility."

The approach I suggested above "opens the door" to compensation discussion but does not assume a specific amount of salary increase. After all, it is not the employee who sets the compensation package, it's the employer and/or Human Resources.

I hope everything works out for you Michaell.

Michaell

jmonroe said:

Michaell said:

Had my "talk" with my boss today.

Was able to artfully address the issue of compensation - the new duties are in addition to everything I'm doing now, so I pointed out that I'm now doing the work of 1.x people, and should be compensated accordingly.

Since the person I talked with is not my actual manager, I had to share with him my current salary. He understood my point and would look into some sort of raise, and that we'll talk after the holidays.

Excited about the opportunity and the chance to contribute more to the success of my group, and my company.

I don't understand why someone who is not going to be your boss is discussing this "opportunity" with you.

As for telling him your salary, I guess that is OK but I don't like the idea of it.

If you are going to assume more workload, then additional compensation should go without saying. The only "saying" should be how much.

For your sake, I hope I am wrong, but I don't like the sound of how this is going.

jmonroe

He will be my new direct manager. At the moment I report to him via a dotted line.

Michaell

driver100 said:

Somebody didn't like this guy taking up two spaces:

That was at the Walmart in the town I used to live in - Castle Rock, CO.

Mr_Shiftright

nyccarguy said:

All this Jaguar talk. A friend of my best friend recently had to close his high end art framing business. The guy is an automotive encyclopedia & a serious car enthusiast. He's got a gorgeous, modified, C6 Corvette. He landed himself a job selling at the Jaguar/LR dealer in Larchmont.

There's an incident where a very high end RR (president's edition?) fell off a lift and landed on its side. The dealership's insurance company wants to fix it. The people don't want it back. They are insisting on a new one.

I doubt that will ever happen, but they should be able to work out a good deal on a new one. It's really no different IMO than if the car got smacked in the street. You don't get a new car then either.

It's not easy making a RR fall off a lift.

driver100

ab348 said:

imidazol97 said:

That'll buff right out.

The car only shows impact damage above the left front wheel. Even the headlight is not cracked or forced out of position on the usually fragile brackets that hold it in place. The left front wheel looks straight and true, so I suspect all the force went into the top fender and the edge of the hood when that part hit something as it twisted sideways. The doors and rear panels along with the upper glass panels don't show any damage.

Couple days in the body shop will have it back to it's original quality.

You guys are seeing pictures I am not seeing. Link?

I didn't see it either.

driver100

laurasdada said:

AB/RB: I showed her an ATS, too. Didn't seem to float her boat. She wants 4 doors and a reasonable back seat. I believe, like the ex. back in '11, she wants a German car, think her mind was preset for a 3.

Maybe I should sell her my XF and get an.....?

Yeah, that's not a good idea.

If you really "need" and/or "want" a German car, it is hard to settle for anything else. It won't give you the same amount of satisfaction. And, if there is a problem or something just isn't up to expectation, you will regret it until you get what you originally wanted. Few people will take that chance.

driver100

PF_Flyer said:

Just sayin...I'm ALWAYS thankful for our group here. It's a GREAT refuge from the Christmas panic

I did see a sharp looking ride yesterday, but I have questions about the HP/Weight ratio




And a Merry Whatever-Floats-Your-Boat to all!

Lots of torque steer on those things.

I road the trail in Arizona one time...my horse saw another horse way up on a hill, and my horse took off after the other one. The guide kept shouting pull on the reins. And I almost pulled the horses head off, but he kept running. Finally the guide gave up and told me to just join the other group....they were from Tupperware.

driver100

Michaell said:

driver100 said:

Somebody didn't like this guy taking up two spaces:

That was at the Walmart in the town I used to live in - Castle Rock, CO.

How can you tell....or is that your car?

OR....did you put the buggy's there?

jmonroe

driver100 said:

Somebody didn't like this guy taking up two spaces:

FWIW, I don't believe this photo. Seems to be "made-up" for internet posting.

I told this tale back in the SFTSFL days about 5 years ago about one of the young female engineers that was driving a 3 Series, like a lot of the young ones back in that era did, who took up 2 spaces:

Two guys that worked in the shop area pulled so close to her with their Winter beater pickups, they damn near removed some wax from her car. She couldn't get out a little before quitting time and was in tears in the lobby telling the guard about her situation.

The guard made an announcement over the PA system with the license numbers of the vehicles that should be moved. So I was told, and then verified it, when all the guys in the shop area heard this announcement that they were waiting for all day, the whole area erupted with laughter. The guys involved did not go out immediately to remove their trucks. Their manager, who had heard about what they did earlier in the day, called them into his office about 20 minutes later and said, "OK guys you've had your fun. Just go move your trucks. It's quitting time so just go do it now. I don't want my boss calling me again about this". They complied with his order.

That gal never took up 2 spots again after that nor did anyone else.

jmonroe

jmonroe

Michaell said:

jmonroe said:

Michaell said:

Had my "talk" with my boss today.

Was able to artfully address the issue of compensation - the new duties are in addition to everything I'm doing now, so I pointed out that I'm now doing the work of 1.x people, and should be compensated accordingly.

Since the person I talked with is not my actual manager, I had to share with him my current salary. He understood my point and would look into some sort of raise, and that we'll talk after the holidays.

Excited about the opportunity and the chance to contribute more to the success of my group, and my company.

I don't understand why someone who is not going to be your boss is discussing this "opportunity" with you.

As for telling him your salary, I guess that is OK but I don't like the idea of it.

If you are going to assume more workload, then additional compensation should go without saying. The only "saying" should be how much.

For your sake, I hope I am wrong, but I don't like the sound of how this is going.

jmonroe

He will be my new direct manager. At the moment I report to him via a dotted line.

OK, I hope he does the right thing.

This will tell you a LOT about your new company.

jmonroe

thebean

henryn said:

But those with key blanks still need to be cut.

A couple of years back, I found a guy on Ebay who would not only sell me a Cadillac key (programmable) but also cut the key for me after I sent him a picture of the existing key. Worked like a charm.

Of course, then he had your address, and knew how to make a key to your Caddy.  You didn't have the same thing done for your F-150 that had the parts stolen did you?  

explorerx4

@michaell,
Management usually is in some kind of bonus pool.

andres3

imidazol97 said:

stickguy said:

I wouldn't want it back either, but I don't think you really have a choice if the dealer refuses.

I would think someone who wants to spend money on an RR would have brains enough not to accept the dealership's repairing it and also could afford a really good set of attorneys to litigate. As I understand, it's the dealership's responsibility: if their insurance company doesn't want to fully make the damaged parties whole, the dealership can pony up the extra to replace the vehicle. The car owners don't have to accept or be limited by what the insurance company wants to do.

Good luck on that case! I don't think they have much of a chance. The courts like Insurance companies. They pretty much accept that fixing a car is making someone whole, and they may grant some diminished value on top of fixing the car, but full replacement??? No way. Probably depreciated 50% already.

andres3

PF_Flyer said:

Just sayin...I'm ALWAYS thankful for our group here. It's a GREAT refuge from the Christmas panic

I did see a sharp looking ride yesterday, but I have questions about the HP/Weight ratio




And a Merry Whatever-Floats-Your-Boat to all!

Those colors, must be a German horse?

andres3

driver100 said:

laurasdada said:

AB/RB: I showed her an ATS, too. Didn't seem to float her boat. She wants 4 doors and a reasonable back seat. I believe, like the ex. back in '11, she wants a German car, think her mind was preset for a 3.

Maybe I should sell her my XF and get an.....?

Yeah, that's not a good idea.

If you really "need" and/or "want" a German car, it is hard to settle for anything else. It won't give you the same amount of satisfaction. And, if there is a problem or something just isn't up to expectation, you will regret it until you get what you originally wanted. Few people will take that chance.

Agree with that. It's a huge risk to take less than you want or desire.

One of the reasons I won't lift my boycotts of certain companies in my lifetime. "Going there" leaves me open to the possibility I'll be kicking myself for giving them another chance.

tjc78

Things change. I boycotted GM from 1999 all that way to 2012 and have had two perfect GM vehicles in a row.

venture

driver100 said:

Somebody didn't like this guy taking up two spaces:

My wife sent me this picture yesterday. She either doesn't usually notice or doesn't care how others park, but this caught her eye. She commented on how this guy took 4 spots.

imidazol97

tjc78 said:

Things change. I boycotted GM from 1999 all that way to 2012 and have had two perfect GM vehicles in a row.

Amen.

imidazol97

Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, or Bah Humbug (whichever you prefer) to everybody.

snakeweasel

Ok I am still the airport way to early. We gave ourselves plenty of time because it's a heavy travel day so we thought that the lines at the security checkpoint would be long. Well our boarding passes had "TSA precheck on them so we went through security in no time. 

But the one thing I have to know is why is my gate aways at the end of the concourse? 

As for that Range Rover, aren't Rovers supposed to be these rugged off road vehicles? If they can handle rugged roads with all the crappie that comes with it they should be able to handle a drop of a reward feet. 

Warm weather here is come. 

Mr_Shiftright

Your gate is always at the end of the concourse for the same reason that when you get to the express checkout lane at the supermarket, the old man in front of you drops the bag of dimes he was going to use to pay for his groceries.

Mr_Shiftright

andres3 said:

imidazol97 said:

stickguy said:

I wouldn't want it back either, but I don't think you really have a choice if the dealer refuses.

I would think someone who wants to spend money on an RR would have brains enough not to accept the dealership's repairing it and also could afford a really good set of attorneys to litigate. As I understand, it's the dealership's responsibility: if their insurance company doesn't want to fully make the damaged parties whole, the dealership can pony up the extra to replace the vehicle. The car owners don't have to accept or be limited by what the insurance company wants to do.

Good luck on that case! I don't think they have much of a chance. The courts like Insurance companies. They pretty much accept that fixing a car is making someone whole, and they may grant some diminished value on top of fixing the car, but full replacement??? No way. Probably depreciated 50% already.

Yeah, that's not going to happen unless they are so rich that they can re-write their state's insurance laws. If they were clever, they would accept the repaired car but then file a claim to the dealer's insurance company for a) diminution of value and b) loss of use.

jmonroe

snakeweasel said:

Ok I am still the airport way to early. We gave ourselves plenty of time because it's a heavy travel day so we thought that the lines at the security checkpoint would be long. Well our boarding passes had "TSA precheck on them so we went through security in no time. 

But the one thing I have to know is why is my gate aways at the end of the concourse? 

As for that Range Rover, aren't Rovers supposed to be these rugged off road vehicles? If they can handle rugged roads with all the crappie that comes with it they should be able to handle a drop of a reward feet. 

Warm weather here is come. 

@snakeweasel, there are only gates at the end. All of the others are movie props.

Have a nice time.

jmonroe

abacomike

tjc78 said:

Things change. I boycotted GM from 1999 all that way to 2012 and have had two perfect GM vehicles in a row.

Ditto on the "things change" regarding buying brands of cars. I vowed (posted many times here) never again to buy a BMW after two 2008 535i's had the identical problems even after BMW built a second one for me at no cost and ended up with BMW technical specialists scratching their heads. Could never figure out why two identical cars built in the same factory 3 months apart could exhibit the same identical unfixable computer glitch problem.

In fact, I bought a 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 BMW from the exact same dealership I just bought the 740i from. Things do change - probably more with us (human beings) than with the product we buy. I think we become a bit more flexible as we age and the product becomes more attractive with time - who knows? Whatever the reason, here I am again in a BMW I vowed never again to own. Go figure!

imidazol97

abacomike said:

I think we become a bit more flexible as we age and the product becomes more attractive with time - who knows? Whatever the reason, here I am again in a BMW I vowed never again to own. Go figure!

X2

berri

So Mike, will it be a Cadillac or Lincoln next?

abacomike

@snakeweasel:

We never did agree on a time and a place to meet for a "bite", did we? See what you did, driver100? You scared him off by inviting yourself to lunch. Happens to me all the time - get invited somewhere and then have the rendezvous specifics fall apart.

BTW, snake - there aren't too many places in Florida I would avoid visiting during Winter Break immediately before or after Christmas - and Orlando is one of those places I would avoid like the plague. With the weather being so beautiful and above average temps for us here in Florida this year, the entire population of the World will be driving or flying into Orlando for the holidays.

Just enjoy the weather and be patient with the traffic and the long lines at restaurants, car rental agencies, resorts, rides, attractions and even bathrooms.

snakeweasel

abacomike said:

@snakeweasel: We never did agree on a time and a place to meet for a "bite", did we? See what you did, driver100? You scared him off by inviting yourself to lunch. Happens to me all the time - get invited somewhere and then have the rendezvous specifics fall apart. BTW, snake - there aren't too many places in Florida I would avoid visiting during Winter Break immediately before or after Christmas - and Orlando is one of those places I would avoid like the plague. With the weather being so beautiful and above average temps for us here in Florida this year, the entire population of the World will be driving or flying into Orlando for the holidays. Just enjoy the weather and be patient with the traffic and the long lines at restaurants, car rental agencies, resorts, rides, attractions and even bathrooms.

Well we are not going to be doing to much of the tourist thing, we are visiting the kids and will be spending a lot of time with the grandkids. Our only other plans are to take a day or two and check out a retirement community or two. 

sda

abacomike said:

tjc78 said:

Things change. I boycotted GM from 1999 all that way to 2012 and have had two perfect GM vehicles in a row.

Ditto on the "things change" regarding buying brands of cars. I vowed (posted many times here) never again to buy a BMW after two 2008 535i's had the identical problems even after BMW built a second one for me at no cost and ended up with BMW technical specialists scratching their heads. Could never figure out why two identical cars built in the same factory 3 months apart could exhibit the same identical unfixable computer glitch problem.

In fact, I bought a 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 BMW from the exact same dealership I just bought the 740i from. Things do change - probably more with us (human beings) than with the product we buy. I think we become a bit more flexible as we age and the product becomes more attractive with time - who knows? Whatever the reason, here I am again in a BMW I vowed never again to own. Go figure!

I have learned to not say " I will never do that, buy that...again" as I find myself doing just that again and eating my words. Perhaps I should have said I've learned never to say never.

abacomike

berri said:

So Mike, will it be a Cadillac or Lincoln next?

Neither! I'm older and more flexible and things do change - but I prefer German manufactured vehicles as you can guess from my love affair with Mercedes and now BMW. But Audi is out - just don't like the room, ride or looks of the Audi - just a personal opinion - nothing against Audi.

I am a bit peeved with Mercedes, though. They come out with a completely restyled and re-engineered E Class and put a gerbil cage under the hood with four gerbils in it to use as a power plant. I would have definitely bought a 6 cylinder E Class instead of the 740i, but one was not to be had. The only 6 cylinder E Class they will be manufacturing is the AMG E43 for about $85,000 with no discounting. I also might have purchased a 535i, but because they are coming out with a completely restyled 5 series car in March or April of 2017, it would have been foolish to buy one.

I just bought a 740i loaded with 3 X the technology I would have gotten in the $85,000 E43 (the way they ordered it) that MSRP's for $91,495 for $81,261 after the USAA discount of $2500. Mercedes just lost me as a customer - too bad.

I've owned Cadillacs and Lincolns, but...I guess the fact that I am 3/4's German in ancestry is why I "lean" that way.

driver100

snakeweasel said:

Ok I am still the airport way to early. We gave ourselves plenty of time because it's a heavy travel day so we thought that the lines at the security checkpoint would be long. Well our boarding passes had "TSA precheck on them so we went through security in no time. 

. 

Don't get too excited yet....getting out of Orlando airport isn't so easy. You'll go through security twice and have to pick up your luggage twice.

So what day are you meeting Mike and I in Fort Meyers?

driver100

snakeweasel said:

abacomike said:

@snakeweasel:

We never did agree on a time and a place to meet for a "bite", did we? See what you did, driver100? You scared him off by inviting yourself to lunch. Happens to me all the time - get invited somewhere and then have the rendezvous specifics fall apart.

BTW, snake - there aren't too many places in Florida I would avoid visiting during Winter Break immediately before or after Christmas - and Orlando is one of those places I would avoid like the plague. With the weather being so beautiful and above average temps for us here in Florida this year, the entire population of the World will be driving or flying into Orlando for the holidays.

Just enjoy the weather and be patient with the traffic and the long lines at restaurants, car rental agencies, resorts, rides, attractions and even bathrooms.

Well we are not going to be doing to much of the tourist thing, we are visiting the kids and will be spending a lot of time with the grandkids. Our only other plans are to take a day or two and check out a retirement community or two. 

Are you a "Villages" person, population 150000 with multiple golf courses and things going on or a quiet low key area kind of person? What area are you interested in?

Fort Meyers is a nice place to look.

Michaell

explorerx4 said:

@michaell,
Management usually is in some kind of bonus pool.

Funny you should mention that. Everybody is part of a corporate bonus program. Found mine was deposited late last night.

Just an hour before the blower motor on my furnace failed. Merry Christmas to me!

And, merry Christmas to all on these boards!

suydam

tjc78 said:

Things change. I boycotted GM from 1999 all that way to 2012 and have had two perfect GM vehicles in a row.

For me too. I didn't boycott GM but I never gave them a thought my whole driving life. Now I own two of them.

driver100

abacomike said:

berri said:

So Mike, will it be a Cadillac or Lincoln next?

I am a bit peeved with Mercedes, though. They come out with a completely restyled and re-engineered E Class and put a gerbil cage under the hood with four gerbils in it to use as a power plant. I would have definitely bought a 6 cylinder E Class instead of the 740i, but one was not to be had. The only 6 cylinder E Class they will be manufacturing is the AMG E43 for about $85,000 with no discounting.

I've owned Cadillacs and Lincolns, but...I guess the fact that I am 3/4's German in ancestry is why I "lean" that way.

You should have looked into buying a 2017 E400 in Canada. It isn't offered in the US, but it has a V6 and 339 hp. Cost would be about $76000 Cdn which would be about $56000 USD. Might be a long drive for servicing.

henryn

thebean said:

henryn said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

But those with key blanks still need to be cut.

A couple of years back, I found a guy on Ebay who would not only sell me a Cadillac key (programmable) but also cut the key for me after I sent him a picture of the existing key. Worked like a charm.

Of course, then he had your address, and knew how to make a key to your Caddy.  You didn't have the same thing done for your F-150 that had the parts stolen did you?  


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Item 1, he was several states away, more than a thousand miles, as I recall. And while he might know how to cut the key, he did NOT know how to program it, and the car would not start without the key being programmed. Programming the new key requires a multi-step process using the old key.

And no, I have not lost any keys to my new truck. On the Cadillac, I bought it used and only received one key.

thebean

Understand @henryn.  I was just being a smart aleck about your unfortunate experience with the Ford truck.  

henryn

thebean said:

Understand @henryn.  I was just being a smart aleck about your unfortunate experience with the Ford truck.  

No problem. I still would really like to know how they unlocked the truck and left no visible signs.

ab348

suydam said:

For me too. I didn't boycott GM but I never gave them a thought my whole driving life. Now I own two of them.

That's the way I am with Ford. Nothing from them other than a V-8 Mustang has ever even remotely interested me.