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andres3

tjc78 said:

berri said:

Vinyl, if you have an analog receiver/amplifier, can have a bit of a warm resonance to it which would probably fit a lot of jazz. But most receivers that are hooked to a turntable these days are digital meaning you probably won't really get the full effect. But then I remember back in the early 70's when speakers were advertising all their specs. A fellow lieutenant had a degree in something like acoustical engineering and said most human ears wouldn't notice the difference on the high end speaker specs. He saved me some money on my equipment. Nice thing though was the stuff I bought was Japanese, not Chinese, so it still works well today!

Most new equipment doesn't even have a proper turntable input.  You would need an outboard pre-amp to use one


Most new equipment is also so lousy that any benefits you'd get from vinyl audio quality would be lost upon equipment that doesn't have a "PHONO" input.

andres3

driver100 said:

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

I was thinking about recalls and how that affects buyers.......does it affect them?

Here is the conclusion I came to, what it really does is just confirms whatever view you had of that particular brand. For example, Andre hates the Big 3 so this gives him a reason not to like them even more. People who hate German cars will take a recall of a German make and confirm in their own mind....that is why I wouldn't buy one of those.

If it is a make you like, then you defend the car....well, the recall is a good thing, at least they fix their problems.

JM and CDs....that is funny. I wonder if he carries a load of CDs in the Gennie?

My '15 Genny only holds one CD so if that unit craps out I'll only lose one CD if the idiot tech doesn't eject it first. Or, the idiot owner allows him to do it to him again.

jmonroe

You think they would check to see if there were CDs in the CD player....but then again, they probably figure what old dinosaur is going to be driving a new 400 hp car listening to CDs?

You could get some young guy to transfer your CD music onto a USB stick, and then you can transfer it to your next car which probably won't have a CD player in it,

My new (less than year old) car has a CD player, thank goodness, I'd rather play the CD's than have to spend countless hours transferring them to another medium.

However, the CD player is in the glove box, up high where you can't really see the slot without bending down.

I'd much rather have it at the top of the center dash! Oh well, some things you forgive when you can reach 60 MPH in 4.5 seconds.

andres3

isellhondas said:

nyccarguy said:

Wait a second!  Time out!  Penalty!  Craig - did you just casually mention "the new Civic I bought?"  Details please my friend!

I thought I had mentioned the Civic! It was a replacement for our much loved 2003 CRV that we gave to our son. It's a lowly LX sedan. Nothing special but compared to the Civic LX's I sold in 1996 it is loaded with options many of which I don't care about.

It has a cool info screen that gives me instant mpg, miles to empty, outside temps and other stuff. this is pretty cool but it can be clumsy to use.

NO CD PLAYER!!! But...I get a nifty little plug in that I can run my cell phone through if I can figure out how to get music on it. Getting there but I'm not a fan! Bluetooth which is OK I guess but I try to focus on driving and not talking. Rear camera.....OK, I suppose but not really a big deal to me. Electronic parking break. totally useless when a quick pull on the handle used to get the job done. Traction Control and ABS. Good to have. electronic brake distribution which (I guess) is a good thing. Let's see...what else...LED daytime driving lights, electronic plugs in's that I have no idea what their use is?

I miss my old GTO and my '62 Impala SS and even more so my 409 SS Impala!

Funny, most of these extras that I don't give a rip about are MUST HAVES for a lot of shoppers these days! and, they wonder why prices are so high.

But, I'm safe with my multiple airbags and five star safety ratings! Averaging 28 MPG in town isn't bad either!

How did I survive the freeways of So. California in my 1964 Volkswagen dodging semis?

I'm a huge fan of electronic parking brakes. If for no other reason than a handle takes up like 1 Cubic Foot of interior space, while a switch takes up only a cubic centimeter. Interior space better used for other purposes, like room for passengers, other buttons, features, or storage spaces.

I hate the parking brake pedal in the Kia. It takes up like a cubic yard of foot space!

isellhondas

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

I was thinking about recalls and how that affects buyers.......does it affect them?

Here is the conclusion I came to, what it really does is just confirms whatever view you had of that particular brand. For example, Andre hates the Big 3 so this gives him a reason not to like them even more. People who hate German cars will take a recall of a German make and confirm in their own mind....that is why I wouldn't buy one of those.

If it is a make you like, then you defend the car....well, the recall is a good thing, at least they fix their problems.

JM and CDs....that is funny. I wonder if he carries a load of CDs in the Gennie?

Well, to be fair, I at least have owned a big 3 car before. Also, I can't recall a single recall on the Dodge I owned, so it wasn't recalls that stirred up resentment of the brand.

In fact, I do remember the Honda Accord having 1 or 2 recalls too many (probably 3 or 4). Finally, I got irked they didn't take care of one recall while I had brought it in for another. I made them give me a rental car for that mistake. One of the recalls was for an ill-advised stop-gap transmission repair that was supposed to prevent catastrophic destruction I suppose. It didn't work in my car, as within a year they were replacing my transmission. So in my case, a wasted dealer visit, and Honda didn't give loaners (though they did when I had to do the transmission replacement).

I think it all has to do with how much inconvenience a car brand causes you. Whether it is just wasted time, time without a car (loaners help here), and/or wasted money. They all factor in, and usually coincide. I definitely need a car I can trust.

Back in the "old days" there was no such thing as recalls. If you had a problem, that's the way it was. Today is different. Everyone wants to sue everyone. The vast majority of recalls amount to very little and the chances of your car being recalled is slim.

Back in 1965, Chevrolet had a problem with motor mounts that was serious enough that they finally recalled their full sized Chevys with V-8 engines. The left mount would break and under some cases, the motor would raise up enough to jam the throttle linkage and the car would take off. Adding to the problem when the engine raised up it would sometimes yank the vacuum line out of the power brake booster. There you were, flying down the street with the gas jammed on and your power brake boost gone! Of course, turning off the ignition was the thing to do but not everyone was that smart!

Now, THAT is a recall!

The initial remedy was to cable the engine to the left side exhaust manifold so the engine couldn't lift up.

That "modification" made it a nasty job to replace spark plugs. Later the came out with bulky "safety mounts" tat solved the problem!

driver100

isellhondas said:

It IS all relative!

When I delivered chicken as a 16 year old for Chicken Delight we used old Ford Falcons with the 144 engines mated to a three speed stick. Had you jumped in your 67 Impala after driving one of those slugs you would have been terrified at the new found power under your right foot!

If you had ridden a donkey after driving a Ford Falcon you would have thought you were breaking the speed barrier!

driver100

Why back up cameras are a good idea!
https://youtu.be/vktw-SwdNsY

Guy keeps taking photos and doesn't say anything!

oldfarmer50

graphicguy said:

driver100 said:

carnaught said:

abacomike said:

Results of test so far are negative - might be able to go home tomorrow, which would be great.  I'll report on this stuff tomorrow.  

Glad to hear it Mike!

+1

+2

Very briefly, I had a '63 Biscayne with a 283 and a 2 speed automatic. Car was really old when I bought it, thinking I paid a couple hundred for it. Odo busted so who knew what the mileage was. Didn't leak, didn't burn, though. Key was, it was a coupe. More rust than paint. And, I (wrongly) believed I could make that 283 into something it wasn't...that is, powerful. At least I couldn't do it on my budget.

Was going to do the usual...headers, big carb, hot cam, but the trans bit the dust before I had a chance. Well, I may have helped it along. First month I had it, I was high reving in neutral, planning to do a burn out, dropped the gear shifter into drive, breaking a motor mount and trashing the trans in the process. Bye-Bye Biscayne.

Lesson learned. You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig.

You should have gone Mopar back then. The Torqueflite tranny was indestructible. My 318 Plymouth couldn't match my buddy's 440 ex trooper car for burn outs so I would do those drop patches all the time. My tranny didn't blow until way over 100k miles (about 90k under my ownership. Paid $200 to rebuild it and drove it another 50k miles.

Never did fix the broken motor mount.

oldfarmer50

js06gv said:

ab348 said:

Any Ford owners in the aufdience? This is getting expensive for them.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/business/ford+recalls+440k+vehicles+fire+risk+door+latch+trouble/13224178/story.html

Although not specifically mentioned in the article, I had the door latches on my Mustang replaced under recall a couple of months ago. Which reminds me, I need to take it back in because the passenger exterior door handle is now notchy, like it wasn't reinstalled correctly.

@oldfarmer50 , did you get the same recall notice?

No I didn't. Strange since my dealer sends me junk mail all the time. I have to talk to him about it. My car was built late in 2015 (June) maybe they fixed it by then.

PF_Flyer

isellhondas said:

Did I really say "break" instead of "brake" in my last post? One of my pet peeves when others do this yet I did it myself! For shame! What was I thinking.

All of this talk about "gutless" 283 engines. I really have to disagree. For some reason in 1963 Chevy boosted the horsepower on their 283's from 170 to 195. I'm really not sure how they accomplished this but a 283 Impala of that vintage is far from being a slug especially when equipped with a stick and not the Powerglide.

Put that same 283 in a Chevy II Station Wagon with a three speed on the column and you would have a real sleeper!

At least you didn't say braik brayk bracke or breack

berri

Regarding The Wrecking Crew, just last weekend I happened to watch a long YouTube interview with Carol Kaye,

She was very talented and an exception to the male dominated studio world back then. But she may have been helped by Phil Spector in the early 60's getting the market to accept females as rock and rollers in their own right with groups like the Ronettes and Crystals.

The recording studio has changed a lot since the 60's and 70's. They are computerized, but today you can plug a Clavinova and sound converter into your computer and produce a symphony. In the old days it was done by hand. The only technology change was somewhere around the late 60's when they incorporated the Moog Synthesizer which had limited application and unfortunately was sometimes overused. Makes 60's songs like the Beach Boys "Good Vibrations" or the Byrds "Eight Miles High" all the more impressive, let alone guitarists like Jimi Hendrix or Eric Clapton. Jan & Dean and the Beach Boys made some real strides in studio effects, but actually back in the late 50's the Everly Brothers moved the needle by layering harmonies. I suspect in today's computerized studios a guy like Phil Spector and his Wall of Sound could fry the place!

The whole music industry has changed radically really. It used to be that performers did concerts and sold promotional items primarily to sell records because that was where the money was. Today it is basically turned around.

What the heck does this have to do with cars? Well, think about the huge changes in vehicle entertainment. We've gone from simple tube AM radios to all kinds of options available today.

berri

The Torqueflite tranny was indestructible


I'm not totally sure, but didn't somewhere around the mid 60's Mopar go to two Torqueflite options - the durable 727 I believe and a less robust, cheaper alternative on cars like Plymouth's?

Michaell

berri said:

Regarding The Wrecking Crew, just last weekend I happened to watch a long YouTube interview with Carol Kaye,

She was very talented and an exception to the male dominated studio world back then. But she may have been helped by Phil Spector in the early 60's getting the market to accept females as rock and rollers in their own right with groups like the Ronettes and Crystals.

The recording studio has changed a lot since the 60's and 70's. They are computerized, but today you can plug a Clavinova and sound converter into your computer and produce a symphony. In the old days it was done by hand. The only technology change was somewhere around the late 60's when they incorporated the Moog Synthesizer which had limited application and unfortunately was sometimes overused. Makes 60's songs like the Beach Boys "Good Vibrations" or the Byrds "Eight Miles High" all the more impressive, let alone guitarists like Jimi Hendrix or Eric Clapton. Jan & Dean and the Beach Boys made some real strides in studio effects, but actually back in the late 50's the Everly Brothers moved the needle by layering harmonies. I suspect in today's computerized studios a guy like Phil Spector and his Wall of Sound could fry the place!

The whole music industry has changed radically really. It used to be that performers did concerts and sold promotional items primarily to sell records because that was where the money was. Today it is basically turned around.

What the heck does this have to do with cars? Well, think about the huge changes in vehicle entertainment. We've gone from simple tube AM radios to all kinds of options available today.

There was a TV series on a month or two ago on the National Geographic channel about technology and the music industry.

Was a fascinating look into the advancements from the 20's to today.

One of the comments made was that, unless you're singing or clapping your hands, all music involves technology.

berri

Seems like in the old days of the wrecking crew they would come up with a catch or something to enhance a dull song. Today it is more likely that a hook comes off of the computer and the song is incorporated around it.

ab348

berri said:

The whole music industry has changed radically really. It used to be that performers did concerts and sold promotional items primarily to sell records because that was where the money was. Today it is basically turned around.

Yes, she touched on that. She also said that her experience as a fairly young musician playing live in clubs with jazz musicians and especially with bebop artists really taught her the chops she used as a session player, which today's players generally are lacking. Probably true.

ab348

berri said:

I'm not totally sure, but didn't somewhere around the mid 60's Mopar go to two Torqueflite options - the durable 727 I believe and a less robust, cheaper alternative on cars like Plymouth's?

The 727 was the original and "indestructible" one, while they came out with a 904 transmission for smaller, less powerful cars. Automatic transmission like the 727 and GM's TH400 can easily soak up 30hp at the flywheel, so one that had a smaller amount of loss was useful in lower-powered cars.

ab348

berri said:

Seems like in the old days of the wrecking crew they would come up with a catch or something to enhance a dull song. Today it is more likely that a hook comes off of the computer and the song is incorporated around it.

Again back to Carol Kaye: one of the interesting things she took credit for (I have no reason to doubt her) is the bass line in Sonny & Cher's "The Beat Goes On", which really is the signature part of the song.

Mr_Shiftright

berri said:

The Torqueflite tranny was indestructible


I'm not totally sure, but didn't somewhere around the mid 60's Mopar go to two Torqueflite options - the durable 727 I believe and a less robust, cheaper alternative on cars like Plymouth's?

Yes the A904. You *could* break a Torqueflite actually, if you revved the engine and slammed the car in reverse. That could break the rear servo.

jmonroe

isellhondas said:

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

I was thinking about recalls and how that affects buyers.......does it affect them?

Here is the conclusion I came to, what it really does is just confirms whatever view you had of that particular brand. For example, Andre hates the Big 3 so this gives him a reason not to like them even more. People who hate German cars will take a recall of a German make and confirm in their own mind....that is why I wouldn't buy one of those.

If it is a make you like, then you defend the car....well, the recall is a good thing, at least they fix their problems.

JM and CDs....that is funny. I wonder if he carries a load of CDs in the Gennie?

Well, to be fair, I at least have owned a big 3 car before. Also, I can't recall a single recall on the Dodge I owned, so it wasn't recalls that stirred up resentment of the brand.

In fact, I do remember the Honda Accord having 1 or 2 recalls too many (probably 3 or 4). Finally, I got irked they didn't take care of one recall while I had brought it in for another. I made them give me a rental car for that mistake. One of the recalls was for an ill-advised stop-gap transmission repair that was supposed to prevent catastrophic destruction I suppose. It didn't work in my car, as within a year they were replacing my transmission. So in my case, a wasted dealer visit, and Honda didn't give loaners (though they did when I had to do the transmission replacement).

I think it all has to do with how much inconvenience a car brand causes you. Whether it is just wasted time, time without a car (loaners help here), and/or wasted money. They all factor in, and usually coincide. I definitely need a car I can trust.

Back in the "old days" there was no such thing as recalls. If you had a problem, that's the way it was. Today is different. Everyone wants to sue everyone. The vast majority of recalls amount to very little and the chances of your car being recalled is slim.

Back in 1965, Chevrolet had a problem with motor mounts that was serious enough that they finally recalled their full sized Chevys with V-8 engines. The left mount would break and under some cases, the motor would raise up enough to jam the throttle linkage and the car would take off. Adding to the problem when the engine raised up it would sometimes yank the vacuum line out of the power brake booster. There you were, flying down the street with the gas jammed on and your power brake boost gone! Of course, turning off the ignition was the thing to do but not everyone was that smart!

Now, THAT is a recall!

The initial remedy was to cable the engine to the left side exhaust manifold so the engine couldn't lift up.

That "modification" made it a nasty job to replace spark plugs. Later the came out with bulky "safety mounts" tat solved the problem!

You are late to the party with this one @isellhondas. I mentioned this recall about a month ago. Even posted this pic.
.

I'm sure you saw a few of these. IIRC the recall was for about 7 million cars with GM V8's. Even my '67 Impala, with the 283 engine had the "fix" for a broken left engine mount..

jmonroe

roadburner

graphicguy said:

ab348 said:

berri said:

Vinyl, if you have an analog receiver/amplifier, can have a bit of a warm resonance to it which would probably fit a lot of jazz. But most receivers that are hooked to a turntable these days are digital meaning you probably won't really get the full effect. But then I remember back in the early 70's when speakers were advertising all their specs. A fellow lieutenant had a degree in something like acoustical engineering and said most human ears wouldn't notice the difference on the high end speaker specs. He saved me some money on my equipment. Nice thing though was the stuff I bought was Japanese, not Chinese, so it still works well today!

I've got several silver 70s era Pioneer receivers here so that is not a problem.

Those '70s era Pioneer, Marantz, Luxman, Sansui, amps and receivers will bring a pretty penny on eBay or Audiogon. That's some good equipment!

And don't forget Carver and Ampzilla.

driver100

jmonroe said:

isellhondas said:

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

I was thinking about recalls and how that affects buyers.......does it affect them?

Here is the conclusion I came to, what it really does is just confirms whatever view you had of that particular brand. For example, Andre hates the Big 3 so this gives him a reason not to like them even more. People who hate German cars will take a recall of a German make and confirm in their own mind....that is why I wouldn't buy one of those.

If it is a make you like, then you defend the car....well, the recall is a good thing, at least they fix their problems.

JM and CDs....that is funny. I wonder if he carries a load of CDs in the Gennie?

Well, to be fair, I at least have owned a big 3 car before. Also, I can't recall a single recall on the Dodge I owned, so it wasn't recalls that stirred up resentment of the brand.

In fact, I do remember the Honda Accord having 1 or 2 recalls too many (probably 3 or 4). Finally, I got irked they didn't take care of one recall while I had brought it in for another. I made them give me a rental car for that mistake. One of the recalls was for an ill-advised stop-gap transmission repair that was supposed to prevent catastrophic destruction I suppose. It didn't work in my car, as within a year they were replacing my transmission. So in my case, a wasted dealer visit, and Honda didn't give loaners (though they did when I had to do the transmission replacement).

I think it all has to do with how much inconvenience a car brand causes you. Whether it is just wasted time, time without a car (loaners help here), and/or wasted money. They all factor in, and usually coincide. I definitely need a car I can trust.

Back in the "old days" there was no such thing as recalls. If you had a problem, that's the way it was. Today is different. Everyone wants to sue everyone. The vast majority of recalls amount to very little and the chances of your car being recalled is slim.

Back in 1965, Chevrolet had a problem with motor mounts that was serious enough that they finally recalled their full sized Chevys with V-8 engines. The left mount would break and under some cases, the motor would raise up enough to jam the throttle linkage and the car would take off. Adding to the problem when the engine raised up it would sometimes yank the vacuum line out of the power brake booster. There you were, flying down the street with the gas jammed on and your power brake boost gone! Of course, turning off the ignition was the thing to do but not everyone was that smart!

Now, THAT is a recall!

The initial remedy was to cable the engine to the left side exhaust manifold so the engine couldn't lift up.

That "modification" made it a nasty job to replace spark plugs. Later the came out with bulky "safety mounts" tat solved the problem!

You are late to the party with this one @isellhondas. I mentioned this recall about a month ago. Even posted this pic.
.

I'm sure you saw a few of these. IIRC the recall was for about 7 million cars with GM V8's. Even my '67 Impala, with the 283 engine had the "fix" for a broken left engine mount..

jmonroe

It's true isell....I actually read that post.
I don't know if they were called recalls at that time or if they were done constantly.....IIRC they were only done once in awhile when it was a very big safety issue...like Pinto exploding gas tanks. But for the things that can go wrong like faulty door latches, poor headlights, malfunctioning seatbelts you were pretty much on your own, I think

thebean

ab348 said:

I'm not totally sure, but didn't somewhere around the mid 60's Mopar go to two Torqueflite options - the durable 727 I believe and a less robust, cheaper alternative on cars like Plymouth's?

The 727 was the original and "indestructible" one, while they came out with a 904 transmission for smaller, less powerful cars. Automatic transmission like the 727 and GM's TH400 can easily soak up 30hp at the flywheel, so one that had a smaller amount of loss was useful in lower-powered cars.

Good info.  I never knew an auto trans would suck up that much HP.  

jmonroe

driver100 said:

jmonroe said:

isellhondas said:

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

I was thinking about recalls and how that affects buyers.......does it affect them?

Here is the conclusion I came to, what it really does is just confirms whatever view you had of that particular brand. For example, Andre hates the Big 3 so this gives him a reason not to like them even more. People who hate German cars will take a recall of a German make and confirm in their own mind....that is why I wouldn't buy one of those.

If it is a make you like, then you defend the car....well, the recall is a good thing, at least they fix their problems.

JM and CDs....that is funny. I wonder if he carries a load of CDs in the Gennie?

Well, to be fair, I at least have owned a big 3 car before. Also, I can't recall a single recall on the Dodge I owned, so it wasn't recalls that stirred up resentment of the brand.

In fact, I do remember the Honda Accord having 1 or 2 recalls too many (probably 3 or 4). Finally, I got irked they didn't take care of one recall while I had brought it in for another. I made them give me a rental car for that mistake. One of the recalls was for an ill-advised stop-gap transmission repair that was supposed to prevent catastrophic destruction I suppose. It didn't work in my car, as within a year they were replacing my transmission. So in my case, a wasted dealer visit, and Honda didn't give loaners (though they did when I had to do the transmission replacement).

I think it all has to do with how much inconvenience a car brand causes you. Whether it is just wasted time, time without a car (loaners help here), and/or wasted money. They all factor in, and usually coincide. I definitely need a car I can trust.

Back in the "old days" there was no such thing as recalls. If you had a problem, that's the way it was. Today is different. Everyone wants to sue everyone. The vast majority of recalls amount to very little and the chances of your car being recalled is slim.

Back in 1965, Chevrolet had a problem with motor mounts that was serious enough that they finally recalled their full sized Chevys with V-8 engines. The left mount would break and under some cases, the motor would raise up enough to jam the throttle linkage and the car would take off. Adding to the problem when the engine raised up it would sometimes yank the vacuum line out of the power brake booster. There you were, flying down the street with the gas jammed on and your power brake boost gone! Of course, turning off the ignition was the thing to do but not everyone was that smart!

Now, THAT is a recall!

The initial remedy was to cable the engine to the left side exhaust manifold so the engine couldn't lift up.

That "modification" made it a nasty job to replace spark plugs. Later the came out with bulky "safety mounts" tat solved the problem!

You are late to the party with this one @isellhondas. I mentioned this recall about a month ago. Even posted this pic.
.

I'm sure you saw a few of these. IIRC the recall was for about 7 million cars with GM V8's. Even my '67 Impala, with the 283 engine had the "fix" for a broken left engine mount..

jmonroe

It's true isell....I actually read that post.
I don't know if they were called recalls at that time or if they were done constantly.....IIRC they were only done once in awhile when it was a very big safety issue...like Pinto exploding gas tanks. But for the things that can go wrong like faulty door latches, poor headlights, malfunctioning seatbelts you were pretty much on your own, I think

You didn't read squat.

You just remembered the pic. :@

jmonroe

PF_Flyer

While it's true that every generation has their favorite music, it also seems true that a LOT of what passes for "music" today seems like a noise/sound that someone said, "Oooo... that's kinda cool... let's play it over and over for 4 minutes!"

suydam

PF_Flyer said:

While it's true that every generation has their favorite music, it also seems true that a LOT of what passes for "music" today seems like a noise/sound that someone said, "Oooo... that's kinda cool... let's play it over and over for 4 minutes!"

Just what my parents said!

PF_Flyer

There's a LOT of stuff I like, from all eras, even brand new stuff. But there's some real musical trash around as well. Yea, In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida went on for a long time, but even it changed now and then during the song

My parents (born in 1919 and 1927) never really objected that much to each generation's music as it came along, but I can VIVIDLY remember Feb 9, 1964 and Mom saying, "Oh... look at that HAIR!!"

driver100

jmonroe said:

driver100 said:

jmonroe said:

isellhondas said:

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

I was thinking about recalls and how that affects buyers.......does it affect them?

Here is the conclusion I came to, what it really does is just confirms whatever view you had of that particular brand. For example, Andre hates the Big 3 so this gives him a reason not to like them even more. People who hate German cars will take a recall of a German make and confirm in their own mind....that is why I wouldn't buy one of those.

If it is a make you like, then you defend the car....well, the recall is a good thing, at least they fix their problems.

JM and CDs....that is funny. I wonder if he carries a load of CDs in the Gennie?

Well, to be fair, I at least have owned a big 3 car before. Also, I can't recall a single recall on the Dodge I owned, so it wasn't recalls that stirred up resentment of the brand.

In fact, I do remember the Honda Accord having 1 or 2 recalls too many (probably 3 or 4). Finally, I got irked they didn't take care of one recall while I had brought it in for another. I made them give me a rental car for that mistake. One of the recalls was for an ill-advised stop-gap transmission repair that was supposed to prevent catastrophic destruction I suppose. It didn't work in my car, as within a year they were replacing my transmission. So in my case, a wasted dealer visit, and Honda didn't give loaners (though they did when I had to do the transmission replacement).

I think it all has to do with how much inconvenience a car brand causes you. Whether it is just wasted time, time without a car (loaners help here), and/or wasted money. They all factor in, and usually coincide. I definitely need a car I can trust.

Back in the "old days" there was no such thing as recalls. If you had a problem, that's the way it was. Today is different. Everyone wants to sue everyone. The vast majority of recalls amount to very little and the chances of your car being recalled is slim.

Back in 1965, Chevrolet had a problem with motor mounts that was serious enough that they finally recalled their full sized Chevys with V-8 engines. The left mount would break and under some cases, the motor would raise up enough to jam the throttle linkage and the car would take off. Adding to the problem when the engine raised up it would sometimes yank the vacuum line out of the power brake booster. There you were, flying down the street with the gas jammed on and your power brake boost gone! Of course, turning off the ignition was the thing to do but not everyone was that smart!

Now, THAT is a recall!

The initial remedy was to cable the engine to the left side exhaust manifold so the engine couldn't lift up.

That "modification" made it a nasty job to replace spark plugs. Later the came out with bulky "safety mounts" tat solved the problem!

You are late to the party with this one @isellhondas. I mentioned this recall about a month ago. Even posted this pic.
.

I'm sure you saw a few of these. IIRC the recall was for about 7 million cars with GM V8's. Even my '67 Impala, with the 283 engine had the "fix" for a broken left engine mount..

jmonroe

It's true isell....I actually read that post.
I don't know if they were called recalls at that time or if they were done constantly.....IIRC they were only done once in awhile when it was a very big safety issue...like Pinto exploding gas tanks. But for the things that can go wrong like faulty door latches, poor headlights, malfunctioning seatbelts you were pretty much on your own, I think

You didn't read squat.

You just remembered the pic. :@

jmonroe

But, a picture is worth 1000 words so 1 picture is worth a quarter of one of your posts.

PF_Flyer

And while I'm stuck in the 60's, and to swing back to the cars, can we say George Barris??

berri

In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida went on for a long time

Good song if the DJ needed a bathroom break. But believe it or not, there was a much shorter 45 rpm version that was released to radio stations as well. They were looking for some Top 40 airtime.

ab348

PF_Flyer said:

And while I'm stuck in the 60's, and to swing back to the cars, can we say George Barris??

Actually, Dean Jeffries.

I remember building the MPC model kit when I was 12 or so. I remember it was a bear to get the top to fit right.

explorerx4

Took the F150 in for the brake booster recall and to get oil change/tire rotation.
When I went to pay the guy said I had a free oil change, so I said I'd use it.
I guess he didn't want to do the math to back it out because he handed me the paperwork and said You're all set.

oldfarmer50

berri said:

The Torqueflite tranny was indestructible


I'm not totally sure, but didn't somewhere around the mid 60's Mopar go to two Torqueflite options - the durable 727 I believe and a less robust, cheaper alternative on cars like Plymouth's?

Not sure what my Plymouth Satellite (poor man's Road Runner) had but it was the most robust unit I've ever seen. If the cheaper unit lasted like mine did then I can't imagine what the better one would do.

BTW, my friend with the Plymouth Fury trooper car would get going about 30 mph and then throw it in reverse to impress the girls. The car would start smoking the tires backwards and then spin out in a 180. His tranny lasted the life of the car and when he junked it he took the unit out and installed it in another car.

Boy, did we have fun being stupid as teens.

oldfarmer50

PF_Flyer said:

And while I'm stuck in the 60's, and to swing back to the cars, can we say George Barris??

Holy moley what they did with that poor GTO! Almost as bad as what they did to this Corvette for some cheesy Mark Hammil movie.

oldfarmer50

OK, you guys know everything....

So what was the source of the fire that brought down I-85 in Atlanta? News is being suspiciously vague.

If anybody can ferret out the truth it's this group.

ab348

FB friend who lives in Atlanta says it was a great many large coils of plastic conduit that were stored under the elevated road. Supposedly very flammable? Seems odd.

driver100

ab348 said:

FB friend who lives in Atlanta says it was a great many large coils of plastic conduit that were stored under the elevated road. Supposedly very flammable? Seems odd.

That is what the local FOX news chanel said last night...a company store plastic pipes under the highway.
Sounds a bit odd to me too.......you can store stuff under a highway?

driver100

ab348 said:

PF_Flyer said:

And while I'm stuck in the 60's, and to swing back to the cars, can we say George Barris??

Actually, Dean Jeffries.

I remember building the MPC model kit when I was 12 or so. I remember it was a bear to get the top to fit right.

That reminds me of the model cars I used to build. Mostly AMT 3 in one...came with decals and customizing stuff. After you could paint them. I must have made 100 of those.

imidazol97

The plastic conduit rolls were inside a fenced area, cyclone type fence I assume. There was a picture on some channel I saw tonight. I don't think we're getting the whole story.

In Covington KY a car dealer stored their new cars under part of I75. That was a long time ago. I believe it was a Chrysler group store named Zimmer.

oldfarmer50

driver100 said:

ab348 said:

PF_Flyer said:

And while I'm stuck in the 60's, and to swing back to the cars, can we say George Barris??

Actually, Dean Jeffries.

I remember building the MPC model kit when I was 12 or so. I remember it was a bear to get the top to fit right.

That reminds me of the model cars I used to build. Mostly AMT 3 in one...came with decals and customizing stuff. After you could paint them. I must have made 100 of those.

This is the one I built. Dreamed of having a real one someday.

fordfool

driver100 said:

isellhondas said:

It IS all relative!

When I delivered chicken as a 16 year old for Chicken Delight we used old Ford Falcons with the 144 engines mated to a three speed stick. Had you jumped in your 67 Impala after driving one of those slugs you would have been terrified at the new found power under your right foot!

If you had ridden a donkey after driving a Ford Falcon you would have thought you were breaking the speed barrier!

My 1960 Ford Falcon contained a lot of soft white metal, just a notch above plastic. Both the piece connecting the block to the radiator and the shifting column collar wore out. By the time I finished college in 1966 enough paint had worn off that the car was primer gray. But it got me through four Buffalo winters.

driver100

oldfarmer50 said:

driver100 said:

ab348 said:

PF_Flyer said:

And while I'm stuck in the 60's, and to swing back to the cars, can we say George Barris??

Actually, Dean Jeffries.

I remember building the MPC model kit when I was 12 or so. I remember it was a bear to get the top to fit right.

That reminds me of the model cars I used to build. Mostly AMT 3 in one...came with decals and customizing stuff. After you could paint them. I must have made 100 of those.

This is the one I built. Dreamed of having a real one someday.

Too bad Stutz didn't stay in business into the 60s, that would have made quite the car.

driver100

fordfool said:

driver100 said:

isellhondas said:

It IS all relative!

When I delivered chicken as a 16 year old for Chicken Delight we used old Ford Falcons with the 144 engines mated to a three speed stick. Had you jumped in your 67 Impala after driving one of those slugs you would have been terrified at the new found power under your right foot!

If you had ridden a donkey after driving a Ford Falcon you would have thought you were breaking the speed barrier!

My 1960 Ford Falcon contained a lot of soft white metal, just a notch above plastic. Both the piece connecting the block to the radiator and the shifting column collar wore out. By the time I finished college in 1966 enough paint had worn off that the car was primer gray. But it got me through four Buffalo winters.

Mine was the Mercury Comet rendition.......three on the tree. I'd barely call it a car. It was embarrassing, while guys like JMonroe were driving Bonnevilles etc., real cars.

ab348

Those early Comets actually were developed as a compact Edsel as I understand the story, and Mercury took it over after Edsel was discontinued.

fintail

Best angle on a 60 Comet is the rear, with the amusing cats eye taillights - I can see this as an Edsel:

berri

IIRC those early Comet's were really too heavy for the Falcon drivetrain. My elementary school principal drove one like this, but more of a green color. ab, I think you're right on the original Edsel connection.

isellhondas

ab348 said:

berri said:

I'm not totally sure, but didn't somewhere around the mid 60's Mopar go to two Torqueflite options - the durable 727 I believe and a less robust, cheaper alternative on cars like Plymouth's?

The 727 was the original and "indestructible" one, while they came out with a 904 transmission for smaller, less powerful cars. Automatic transmission like the 727 and GM's TH400 can easily soak up 30hp at the flywheel, so one that had a smaller amount of loss was useful in lower-powered cars.

Torqueflights were near impossible to break! The C-4 and C-6 Ford transmissions were pretty good but not compared to a Torqueflight. The old cast iron Powerglides were better than the aluminum ones that came out in 1962. These would start to slip between first and second.

" Slip and slide with Powerglide"

GM had some good transmission and some bad ones including the HORRIBLE Turboglides the Roto hydramatics (Slim Jim) and the ill fated Buick Special Dual Paths. The Hydramatic 400's were the best of the GM's.

isellhondas

jmonroe said:

isellhondas said:

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

I was thinking about recalls and how that affects buyers.......does it affect them?

Here is the conclusion I came to, what it really does is just confirms whatever view you had of that particular brand. For example, Andre hates the Big 3 so this gives him a reason not to like them even more. People who hate German cars will take a recall of a German make and confirm in their own mind....that is why I wouldn't buy one of those.

If it is a make you like, then you defend the car....well, the recall is a good thing, at least they fix their problems.

JM and CDs....that is funny. I wonder if he carries a load of CDs in the Gennie?

Well, to be fair, I at least have owned a big 3 car before. Also, I can't recall a single recall on the Dodge I owned, so it wasn't recalls that stirred up resentment of the brand.

In fact, I do remember the Honda Accord having 1 or 2 recalls too many (probably 3 or 4). Finally, I got irked they didn't take care of one recall while I had brought it in for another. I made them give me a rental car for that mistake. One of the recalls was for an ill-advised stop-gap transmission repair that was supposed to prevent catastrophic destruction I suppose. It didn't work in my car, as within a year they were replacing my transmission. So in my case, a wasted dealer visit, and Honda didn't give loaners (though they did when I had to do the transmission replacement).

I think it all has to do with how much inconvenience a car brand causes you. Whether it is just wasted time, time without a car (loaners help here), and/or wasted money. They all factor in, and usually coincide. I definitely need a car I can trust.

Back in the "old days" there was no such thing as recalls. If you had a problem, that's the way it was. Today is different. Everyone wants to sue everyone. The vast majority of recalls amount to very little and the chances of your car being recalled is slim.

Back in 1965, Chevrolet had a problem with motor mounts that was serious enough that they finally recalled their full sized Chevys with V-8 engines. The left mount would break and under some cases, the motor would raise up enough to jam the throttle linkage and the car would take off. Adding to the problem when the engine raised up it would sometimes yank the vacuum line out of the power brake booster. There you were, flying down the street with the gas jammed on and your power brake boost gone! Of course, turning off the ignition was the thing to do but not everyone was that smart!

Now, THAT is a recall!

The initial remedy was to cable the engine to the left side exhaust manifold so the engine couldn't lift up.

That "modification" made it a nasty job to replace spark plugs. Later the came out with bulky "safety mounts" tat solved the problem!

You are late to the party with this one @isellhondas. I mentioned this recall about a month ago. Even posted this pic.
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I'm sure you saw a few of these. IIRC the recall was for about 7 million cars with GM V8's. Even my '67 Impala, with the 283 engine had the "fix" for a broken left engine mount..

jmonroe

Sorry that was probably back when I couldn't get it. Good picture of that Mickey Mouse fix! I guess they HAD to come up with something in a hurry!

jmonroe

driver100 said:

ab348 said:

FB friend who lives in Atlanta says it was a great many large coils of plastic conduit that were stored under the elevated road. Supposedly very flammable? Seems odd.

That is what the local FOX news chanel said last night...a company store plastic pipes under the highway.
Sounds a bit odd to me too.......you can store stuff under a highway?

Not anymore, at least not in Atlanta.

Last Summer a contractor was doing work on the Liberty Bridge in the Burgh. A welder lit off some plastic pipes on that bridge and although the damage was nowhere near what happened in Atlanta that bridge was shut down for a little over a month to replace some main beams.

I can't imagine a contracting company could afford enough insurance to cover that screw up.

I'll bet the outfit that had it's plastic pipes stored under that bridge in Atlanta is no longer in business and not because it doesn't have anymore plastic pipe to sell.

Do you think Lowes and Home Depot are thinking about how they are going to store their plastic pipe now?

jmonroe

jmonroe

isellhondas said:

jmonroe said:

isellhondas said:

andres3 said:

driver100 said:

I was thinking about recalls and how that affects buyers.......does it affect them?

Here is the conclusion I came to, what it really does is just confirms whatever view you had of that particular brand. For example, Andre hates the Big 3 so this gives him a reason not to like them even more. People who hate German cars will take a recall of a German make and confirm in their own mind....that is why I wouldn't buy one of those.

If it is a make you like, then you defend the car....well, the recall is a good thing, at least they fix their problems.

JM and CDs....that is funny. I wonder if he carries a load of CDs in the Gennie?

Well, to be fair, I at least have owned a big 3 car before. Also, I can't recall a single recall on the Dodge I owned, so it wasn't recalls that stirred up resentment of the brand.

In fact, I do remember the Honda Accord having 1 or 2 recalls too many (probably 3 or 4). Finally, I got irked they didn't take care of one recall while I had brought it in for another. I made them give me a rental car for that mistake. One of the recalls was for an ill-advised stop-gap transmission repair that was supposed to prevent catastrophic destruction I suppose. It didn't work in my car, as within a year they were replacing my transmission. So in my case, a wasted dealer visit, and Honda didn't give loaners (though they did when I had to do the transmission replacement).

I think it all has to do with how much inconvenience a car brand causes you. Whether it is just wasted time, time without a car (loaners help here), and/or wasted money. They all factor in, and usually coincide. I definitely need a car I can trust.

Back in the "old days" there was no such thing as recalls. If you had a problem, that's the way it was. Today is different. Everyone wants to sue everyone. The vast majority of recalls amount to very little and the chances of your car being recalled is slim.

Back in 1965, Chevrolet had a problem with motor mounts that was serious enough that they finally recalled their full sized Chevys with V-8 engines. The left mount would break and under some cases, the motor would raise up enough to jam the throttle linkage and the car would take off. Adding to the problem when the engine raised up it would sometimes yank the vacuum line out of the power brake booster. There you were, flying down the street with the gas jammed on and your power brake boost gone! Of course, turning off the ignition was the thing to do but not everyone was that smart!

Now, THAT is a recall!

The initial remedy was to cable the engine to the left side exhaust manifold so the engine couldn't lift up.

That "modification" made it a nasty job to replace spark plugs. Later the came out with bulky "safety mounts" tat solved the problem!

You are late to the party with this one @isellhondas. I mentioned this recall about a month ago. Even posted this pic.
.

I'm sure you saw a few of these. IIRC the recall was for about 7 million cars with GM V8's. Even my '67 Impala, with the 283 engine had the "fix" for a broken left engine mount..

jmonroe

Sorry that was probably back when I couldn't get it. Good picture of that Mickey Mouse fix! I guess they HAD to come up with something in a hurry!

I knew you'd like the pic of that "fix".

When I saw it, a lot of memories came back for me and not the good kind, either.

I doubt that a car manufacture could get away with that type of "fix" today.

jmonroe.

Michaell

My maternal grandmother drove an early 60's Comet, IIRC. I remember her getting it repainted at Earl Scheib in a coppery brown color.

It got replaced at some point with a '67 Monterey Coupe.

imidazol97

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