2015 BMW 5-Series Lease Questions

iamgarygnu

njdriver1 said:

Maybe this isn't exactly the right forum for this, but since everyone here is in the market for a 5 series, I'll start here...can anyone describe the nuances between the luxury line and "m" line? Looking at the 535d x, it appears to be a $1,150 increase to get an m badge steering wheel and some other aesthetic stuff. But the diesel all wheel drive does not have sport suspension, so there's no real difference in the car other than the steering wheel and some chrome. Anyone think the extra $$$ is worth it? In a lease its about $18/month (does a diesel really matter in a 36 month lease anyway - different question).
thanks

Hi - I wasn't afraid to put in options (close to $20k of them) - I saw no reason or benefit for the 2 extra lines (though I am paying a extra $1k for wood, so what do I know?). I seriously considered the diesel, but at the end of the day I felt getting gas (okay, diesel) would be a pain in my area, and I felt the cost versus mpg versus diesel fuel cost didn't make it compelling (to me).
I don't think diesel is huge in central NJ. Sure, there are SOME stations that sell it. But all sell gasoline. Just my .02

njdriver1

I've priced the car on TrueCar and maybe someone can check my math before I go to the dealer? 535dx fully loaded, msrp of $78,225, truecar estimate of $71,620. I used a MF of .0013 and depreciation of 62%, 36 mo in NYC calculated to $798/mo before tax; $869 inc tax; $906 inc lux tax. Out of pockets should be about $2,750. Does that sound about right?
Thanks

Michaell

njdriver1 said:

I've priced the car on TrueCar and maybe someone can check my math before I go to the dealer? 535dx fully loaded, msrp of $78,225, truecar estimate of $71,620. I used a MF of .0013 and depreciation of 62%, 36 mo in NYC calculated to $798/mo before tax; $869 inc tax; $906 inc lux tax. Out of pockets should be about $2,750. Does that sound about right?
Thanks

I confirm the $798/mo number before tax with those numbers. How do you breakdown the $2750 due at signing?

njdriver1

Michaell said:

njdriver1 said:

I've priced the car on TrueCar and maybe someone can check my math before I go to the dealer? 535dx fully loaded, msrp of $78,225, truecar estimate of $71,620. I used a MF of .0013 and depreciation of 62%, 36 mo in NYC calculated to $798/mo before tax; $869 inc tax; $906 inc lux tax. Out of pockets should be about $2,750. Does that sound about right?
Thanks

I confirm the $798/mo number before tax with those numbers. How do you breakdown the $2750 due at signing?

You're right I may have miscalculated that. First month ($900) Acquisition (about $650) DMV (about $300) and maybe security ($???). But I've had BMW's as recently as 4 years ago so maybe the security gets waived?

Michaell

njdriver1 said:

Michaell said:

njdriver1 said:

I've priced the car on TrueCar and maybe someone can check my math before I go to the dealer? 535dx fully loaded, msrp of $78,225, truecar estimate of $71,620. I used a MF of .0013 and depreciation of 62%, 36 mo in NYC calculated to $798/mo before tax; $869 inc tax; $906 inc lux tax. Out of pockets should be about $2,750. Does that sound about right?
Thanks

I confirm the $798/mo number before tax with those numbers. How do you breakdown the $2750 due at signing?

You're right I may have miscalculated that. First month ($900) Acquisition (about $650) DMV (about $300) and maybe security ($???). But I've had BMW's as recently as 4 years ago so maybe the security gets waived?

Acquisition fee is now $795, and yes the security deposit is often waived.

I'd make sure I understand every piece of the up front costs.

njdriver1

Does anyone know if the $500 eco credit is actually expiring today?

Michaell

njdriver1 said:

Does anyone know if the $500 eco credit is actually expiring today?

It's set to; no idea if it will continue into May. 

kyfdx

njdriver1 said:

Does anyone know if the $500 eco credit is actually expiring today?

I'd bet on it continuing.

rvarley

Does anyone have any experience dealing with a car broker/buyers agent? Pros/Cons?

tonybmwnyc

Any update on the May incentives? I never pulled the trigger on a deal I received previously in February.

It's that time again.

And thank you all for these posts. They have been very helpful.

Michaell

tonybmwnyc said:

Any update on the May incentives? I never pulled the trigger on a deal I received previously in February.

It's that time again.

And thank you all for these posts. They have been very helpful.

What model? We have limited May information for BMW

eddiest

Curious about the 535i 10k 36mo

Michaell

eddiest said:

Curious about the 535i 10k 36mo

.00129 and 64%. $1500 option credit for May.

tonybmwnyc

Michaell said:

tonybmwnyc said:

And thank you all for these posts. They have been very helpful.

What model? We have limited May information for BMW

528xi M Sport or 535xi M Sport
36mo 12k per year

eddiest

Was there any trunk money last month?  I had an offer for 1500 under invoice but there wasn't a promotion running.  Just wondering if the trunk money went away and this replaced it. 

kyfdx

tonybmwnyc said:

Michaell said:

tonybmwnyc said:

And thank you all for these posts. They have been very helpful.

What model? We have limited May information for BMW

528xi M Sport or 535xi M Sport
36mo 12k per year

.00129 MF and 63% residual. $1500 Anniversary credit. (either model)

kyfdx

eddiest said:

Was there any trunk money last month?  I had an offer for 1500 under invoice but there wasn't a promotion running.  Just wondering if the trunk money went away and this replaced it. 

Not that we know of... new incentives.

germancarnut

Hi, do you have the residual/mf for May for the 2015 M5. I was assuming numbers are the same as for the 5 series, but now hear that residual seems to differ.

Thanks.

Michaell

germancarnut said:

Hi, do you have the residual/mf for May for the 2015 M5. I was assuming numbers are the same as for the 5 series, but now hear that residual seems to differ.

Thanks.

.00129 and 60% for 36/15

germancarnut

Thank you. This would be 63% for 36/10, correct?

Michaell

germancarnut said:

Thank you. This would be 63% for 36/10, correct?

Correct.

tonybmwnyc

Can you let me know if this deal is okay?

535xi M Sport
Exterior: Alpine White
Interior: Mocha Nappa Leather w/ Black Dashboard (M Sport Line)
Cold Weather Pkg
Premium Package
Rear-view camera (Req. 508)
Park Distance Control (required)

36month 10k per year

Monthly 668.17

Net Cap Cost: $61500.00
MF: 0.00129
Upfront Sales Tax: $2,074.67
Acquisition Fee: $995.00
DMV Fees: $0.00
Tire Fee: $10.00
Insp Fee: $10.00
Doc Fee: $75.00
Other Fees: $0.00
Tax on Fees: $92.29
Cash Due on Lease: $3,925.13

Michaell

tonybmwnyc said:

Can you let me know if this deal is okay?

535xi M Sport
Exterior: Alpine White
Interior: Mocha Nappa Leather w/ Black Dashboard (M Sport Line)
Cold Weather Pkg
Premium Package
Rear-view camera (Req. 508)
Park Distance Control (required)

36month 10k per year

Monthly 668.17

Net Cap Cost: $61500.00
MF: 0.00129
Upfront Sales Tax: $2,074.67
Acquisition Fee: $995.00
DMV Fees: $0.00
Tire Fee: $10.00
Insp Fee: $10.00
Doc Fee: $75.00
Other Fees: $0.00
Tax on Fees: $92.29
Cash Due on Lease: $3,925.13

What is the MSRP and what state is this?

Numbers for the 535xi in May are .00129 and 64%

tonybmwnyc

Michaell said:

What is the MSRP and what state is this?

Numbers for the 535xi in May are .00129 and 64%

MSRP: 66100
NY state

Michaell

tonybmwnyc said:

Michaell said:

What is the MSRP and what state is this?

Numbers for the 535xi in May are .00129 and 64%

MSRP: 66100
NY state

I get $667.13/mo with your numbers, so only $1 off the dealer quote.

tonybmwnyc

Michaell said:

tonybmwnyc said:

Michaell said:

What is the MSRP and what state is this?

Numbers for the 535xi in May are .00129 and 64%

MSRP: 66100
NY state

I get $667.13/mo with your numbers, so only $1 off the dealer quote.

Good deal? Should I try to negotiate a lower cap cost?

Michaell

tonybmwnyc said:

What is the MSRP and what state is this? Numbers for the 535xi in May are .00129 and 64%

MSRP: 66100 NY state

I get $667.13/mo with your numbers, so only $1 off the dealer quote.

Good deal? Should I try to negotiate a lower cap cost?

 I have never swam in the $70,000 luxury car pool. I'm not the right person to help you with pricing 

bestornothing1

What are the current numbers for a 528i / 535i for 36 months and 15k a year? Thanks

Michaell

bestornothing1 said:

What are the current numbers for a 528i / 535i for 36 months and 15k a year? Thanks

.00129 and 61%. $1500 anniversary credit.

eddiest

tonybmwnyc said:

What is the MSRP and what state is this? Numbers for the 535xi in May are .00129 and 64%

MSRP: 66100 NY state

I get $667.13/mo with your numbers, so only $1 off the dealer quote.

Good deal? Should I try to negotiate a lower cap cost?

I think you can get to 60,500 on that car.

njdriver1

Are there new MF and Residual numbers for the 535D AWD; 36 mo/10k? They've returned the eco credit ($500) and added Anniversary Credit ($1,500).
thanks

Michaell

njdriver1 said:

Are there new MF and Residual numbers for the 535D AWD; 36 mo/10k? They've returned the eco credit ($500) and added Anniversary Credit ($1,500).
thanks

.00129 and 63% for 36/10. I confirm both the $500 EcoCredit as well as the $1500 Anniversary Credit for May.

njdriver1

Michaell said:

njdriver1 said:

Are there new MF and Residual numbers for the 535D AWD; 36 mo/10k? They've returned the eco credit ($500) and added Anniversary Credit ($1,500).
thanks

.00129 and 63% for 36/10. I confirm both the $500 EcoCredit as well as the $1500 Anniversary Credit for May.

I've been quoted $70,870 for a car with an MSRP of $78,225. I ran the math and got a lease rate of $755, plus tax, which in NYS at 8.875 totals $822/mo. Does this look correct? Is there still luxury tax? The dealer offered $876/mo inc all taxes.

Michaell

njdriver1 said:

Michaell said:

njdriver1 said:

Are there new MF and Residual numbers for the 535D AWD; 36 mo/10k? They've returned the eco credit ($500) and added Anniversary Credit ($1,500).
thanks

.00129 and 63% for 36/10. I confirm both the $500 EcoCredit as well as the $1500 Anniversary Credit for May.

I've been quoted $70,870 for a car with an MSRP of $78,225. I ran the math and got a lease rate of $755, plus tax, which in NYS at 8.875 totals $822/mo. Does this look correct? Is there still luxury tax? The dealer offered $876/mo inc all taxes.

My numbers match yours. Ask the dealer what the net cap cost is .. if different from the $70,870 number, find out what they've added.

leasequest

Hi,

Would appreciate some feedback on the following lease offer that I have.

528i xDrive
MSRP: $55400
Selling Price: ~$48000
Leaset Term: 36 months
Miles per year: 12000
Residual: 63%
Money Factor: 0.00129
NJ Tax: 7%

The offer I have is $565 per month with taxes and fees all rolled in and paying only first months payment upfront. No down payment and no MSDs.

Thanks.

Michaell

leasequest said:

Hi,

Would appreciate some feedback on the following lease offer that I have.

528i xDrive
MSRP: $55400
Selling Price: ~$48000
Leaset Term: 36 months
Miles per year: 12000
Residual: 63%
Money Factor: 0.00129
NJ Tax: 7%

The offer I have is $565 per month with taxes and fees all rolled in and paying only first months payment upfront. No down payment and no MSDs.

Thanks.

I get $471/mo before tax. My guess is the net cap cost is higher than the selling price if you're rolling everything in.

Base MF is being used, so that's good.

leasequest

Thanks, Michaell. These are the taxes and fees that are being rolled into the $565 per month (approximate numbers).

Taxes: $1425
Acquisition Fee: $795
Doc Fees: $350
DMV: $315

So about $2885. Not sure if they are adding on a luxury tax of $220 so that would take it to $3105. With the taxes and fees rolled in does the $565 per month sound right? Selling may be less than $48000 and more in the mid to high $47000s at this point. The conversation is now revolving more around the total monthly payment.

Thanks again.

Michaell

leasequest said:

Thanks, Michaell. These are the taxes and fees that are being rolled into the $565 per month (approximate numbers).

Taxes: $1425
Acquisition Fee: $795
Doc Fees: $350
DMV: $315

So about $2885. Not sure if they are adding on a luxury tax of $220 so that would take it to $3105. With the taxes and fees rolled in does the $565 per month sound right? Selling may be less than $48000 and more in the mid to high $47000s at this point. The conversation is now revolving more around the total monthly payment.

Thanks again.

$3105 / 36 = $86.25/mo, so the new payment would be $557.25/mo, pretty close to the $565/mo quote.

Don't negotiate on payment, negotiate the selling price and make sure you understand all the costs being added to that to get the net cap cost.

harishv

First time leasing and the first BMW. This was the quote I got on a BMW 528i xdrive with Premium Pkg/Navigation/ Driver Assistance Pkg in Portland, Oregon.

10K/ 36 mo
MSRP $59100
Selling price $53100

For $2000, cash down- MF of 0.0015 and 64% Residual. Monthly payment comes to $560.

I see MF is much much higher than what i have seen here thus far.

Michaell

harishv said:

First time leasing and the first BMW. This was the quote I got on a BMW 528i xdrive with Premium Pkg/Navigation/ Driver Assistance Pkg in Portland, Oregon.

10K/ 36 mo
MSRP $59100
Selling price $53100

For $2000, cash down- MF of 0.0015 and 64% Residual. Monthly payment comes to $560.

I see MF is much much higher than what i have seen here thus far.

That is correct .. base MF is .00129 this month. With your other numbers, I get a payment of $509/mo.

What is the breakdown of the $2K at signing?

No sales tax in Oregon, correct?

harishv

St

Michaell said:

harishv said:

First time leasing and the first BMW. This was the quote I got on a BMW 528i xdrive with Premium Pkg/Navigation/ Driver Assistance Pkg in Portland, Oregon.

10K/ 36 mo
MSRP $59100
Selling price $53100

For $2000, cash down- MF of 0.0015 and 64% Residual. Monthly payment comes to $560.

I see MF is much much higher than what i have seen here thus far.

That is correct .. base MF is .00129 this month. With your other numbers, I get a payment of $509/mo.

What is the breakdown of the $2K at signing?

No sales tax in Oregon, correct?

Waiting on the exact details, Though he says $2k includes the first months payment.

Michaell

harishv said:

St

Michaell said:

harishv said:

First time leasing and the first BMW. This was the quote I got on a BMW 528i xdrive with Premium Pkg/Navigation/ Driver Assistance Pkg in Portland, Oregon.

10K/ 36 mo
MSRP $59100
Selling price $53100

For $2000, cash down- MF of 0.0015 and 64% Residual. Monthly payment comes to $560.

I see MF is much much higher than what i have seen here thus far.

That is correct .. base MF is .00129 this month. With your other numbers, I get a payment of $509/mo.

What is the breakdown of the $2K at signing?

No sales tax in Oregon, correct?

Waiting on the exact details, Though he says $2k includes the first months payment.

First payment, acquisition fee, dealer fee (maybe) and tags/license costs, are my guess. Just need to confirm that it does not include any cap cost reduction.

harishv

Michaell said:

harishv said:

St

Michaell said:

harishv said:

First time leasing and the first BMW. This was the quote I got on a BMW 528i xdrive with Premium Pkg/Navigation/ Driver Assistance Pkg in Portland, Oregon.

10K/ 36 mo
MSRP $59100
Selling price $53100

For $2000, cash down- MF of 0.0015 and 64% Residual. Monthly payment comes to $560.

I see MF is much much higher than what i have seen here thus far.

That is correct .. base MF is .00129 this month. With your other numbers, I get a payment of $509/mo.

What is the breakdown of the $2K at signing?

No sales tax in Oregon, correct?

Waiting on the exact details, Though he says $2k includes the first months payment.

First payment, acquisition fee, dealer fee (maybe) and tags/license costs, are my guess. Just need to confirm that it does not include any cap cost reduction.

Now, am getting lost. he replied to that by saying "its already accounted for with the savings and rebate"!

Michaell

harishv said:

St

First time leasing and the first BMW. This was the quote I got on a BMW 528i xdrive with Premium Pkg/Navigation/ Driver Assistance Pkg in Portland, Oregon. 10K/ 36 mo MSRP $59100 Selling price $53100 For $2000, cash down- MF of 0.0015 and 64% Residual. Monthly payment comes to $560. I see MF is much much higher than what i have seen here thus far.

That is correct .. base MF is .00129 this month. With your other numbers, I get a payment of $509/mo. What is the breakdown of the $2K at signing? No sales tax in Oregon, correct?

Waiting on the exact details, Though he says $2k includes the first months payment.

First payment, acquisition fee, dealer fee (maybe) and tags/license costs, are my guess. Just need to confirm that it does not include any cap cost reduction.

Now, am getting lost. he replied to that by saying "its already accounted for with the savings and rebate"!

Ok.  Then I am guessing there is no Cost reduction with the money you are putting down 

foxfire88

Hi Carman,

Have an offer on a 2015 528i with approx 3K miles (dealership loaner). MSRP is $55,700.

foxfire88

Sorry Carman.....

Have a lease offer on a 2015 528i 36mo/10k with approx 3K miles (dealership loaner). MSRP is $55,700. Their offer is $549 includes tax ($518 + 31)... As far as we can figure, they are giving us 10% off MSRP ($4650 'BMW loaner discount' + another $920). Also, $2K at inception includes 1st payment, taxes, dealer fees.....no cap reduction amount. Can you help us with a # that we should work towards? We know this offer is too high. Isn't there a $1500 anniversary credit also? Thank you for your help!

njdriver1

Close to a deal on the 535d awd. Going fully loaded including Dynamic Handling. Does anyone have any insight into the Sport Transmission option? I've had paddles on 3 cars and never used them, and rarely ever use the shifter. But is the gearing actually modified and would it make any difference? I'd hate to go to the trouble of ordering this thing and not opting for a $500 option that would be noticeable.
Thanks to all in advance

porsche911c4s

Hi michael (again),
Do you have the residual for 2015 528xi for 24 months, 20k a year?
Thanks

Michaell

porsche911c4s said:

Hi michael (again), Do you have the residual for 2015 528xi for 24 months, 20k a year? Thanks

.00129 and 67% for 24/15. Extra miles are purchased up front for .10-.25 per mile. 

porsche911c4s

Thanks! Why such a big range of cents to per mile? Model dependent?