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I spotted an (insert obscure car name here) classic car today! (Archived)

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I spotted a 60s era example of this *famous nameplate* the other day.

    This nameplate has been in continuous production since 1935 and is the longest continuous name ever carried on a motor vehicle.

    Can you tell me what it is?
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,284
    Suburban, I think.

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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,861
    I've always heard that Chrysler destroyed leftover AMC parts. What a shame. I am lucky that there is still a lot of NOS for '60's Studebakers--even sheetmetal-- and also a lot of reproduction trim parts. I didn't get into them for that reason, but it's been a nice bonus.
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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Well THAT was fast....I must make a note to become more clever in 2011 :P

    good job, yes "suburban". I saw one of those 60s era 3-door models, which are becoming somewhat collectible now.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,861
    I might add, '68-70 AMX's are my favorite AMC's. I do like late '60's Ambassador two-door hardtops too...you just do not see them and I like cars you don't see all the time at shows and cruise-ins. And let the laughing begin...I like '74-78 Matador coupes as long as they don't have the small opera windows!
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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,107
    My one big memory of the AMX was at the car show in Cincinnati, about 1970 (young teen), they had a good booth with a 'match the shifting competition, you shifted a 4 speed to match the sound track of an AMX being put through the paces. I got all 3 shift on the practice run, but missed one on the 'real' run. I would've won some AMX-related trinket, too bad...
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    My Dad had a blue 1968 AMC Javelin with a black vinyl interior. I think it was only a six-cylinder model.
  • oregonboyoregonboy Member Posts: 1,650
    I remember really liking the Javelin when it first came out. (Hated the 2nd generation).

    And the ads: "Hey, Javelin"
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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,861
    That is a good-looking car, photographed at a good angle. I think it's better-proportioned than a same-year Camaro or Mustang and certainly rarer. AMC instrument panels, seats, and door panels of that period often disappoint me though. But for the relative rarity, I could probably get past that!
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  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Member Posts: 4,600
    edited January 2011
    I saw a Milano too today, parked in the Georgetown section of DC.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I see a ~1950 Suburban (like in 'Harry and the Hendersons') in my area now and then...looks like an aging restoration or a very pristine original...a cool sight among the RXs and leased 3ers.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited January 2011
    I saw this old beast today - not a drop of snow on the ground at home, go a few miles to where it is stored, and a good half inch of hard packed snow and ice everywhere, and untouched side streets. The old tires aren't so grippy anymore.

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    I wonder if the original owner had any idea the car would still be on the road in 2011. I stopped for gas and a guy in a new style GTO talked to me about it, a person walking by complimented me, and a guy in a nice white 230SL with the top down gave a friendly honk.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    edited January 2011
    Looking good, as always. And it's kinda neat, seeing the old gal there, posing in the snow.

    I always wonder that too, if the original owners of the old cars I have had any idea they'd still be on the road after all these years. I remember the guy I bought the DeSoto from writing me in a letter telling me that his wife was really glad I bought the car, that she could tell I would take good care of it and cherish it. I imagine he's passed away by now. They were pretty elderly when I bought the car back in September of 1990, and I think she passed away around October of 1991. I still remember their names...Russell and Viola Spangler. They weren't the original owners though, as they bought it used in 1959.

    I bought my second '79 New Yorker, the blue one, from the son of the original owner. The owner had passed away a few years before. The son confessed to me that he always hated the car, as he was a Ford man, but he was happy to see it go to someone who cared about it.

    About a week ago, I went down to the garage and was able to get all four of the old beasts to start. And oddly, that blue New Yorker, which is normally the most cranky, was the easiest to start. The battery finally died in the 5th Ave, which also has to double as an emergency/backup car. So I jump started it, and then swapped batteries with the LeMans. I figure the LeMans, and the Catalina, don't have to touch the pavement again until March or so, but that 5th Ave needs to run, in case the Buick or the Silverado go down. The DeSoto's still at the mechanic. Hopefully, with luck, it'll be roadworthy in 2011!
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Thanks. The old beast is pretty photogenic, and snow always seems to bring out the best in a clean old car. When I drove back to the garage, I tried playing around on that street...slammed on the brakes at about 20 on the ice...the car dove towards the curb, but I was able to stop it. Fun and stupid at the same time :shades:

    Cars decayed a lot faster back in the day - 40-50 years ago the average 10 year old car was usually a heap, today most are in OK condition. I have to believe the original owners of the machines we care for now (as hopefully they will be around after us) did not expect this.

    I've tried tracking down the original owner of the fintail - I have lots of documents from when he owned the car, but turned up nothing. I suspect he was older when the car was new, and has been gone for a long time. The guy I bought it from didn't care, I think...I was still a teenager when I bought it, he had bought it as a gift for his wife, who hated it and she pretty much refused to drive it - he would take it out maybe once a month. Seeing it go opened up a garage space.

    The modern car also shines in the snow...it's not a common sight around here, so I had to snap a couple pics...and it is a rare car too. That street is an ice rink.

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  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    When I think Rambler, I always think those once ubiquitous late 50's early 60's wagons. I liked the 63 full size models redesign though and the 65 American redesign. They were kind of clean and simple. A lot of the latter AMC seemed to get a little overwrought.
  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    Nice Javelin pix. I didn't mind the 71 (2nd gen) Javelin, although I thought it worked worse on the AMX. I believe some state, maybe Alabama, bought a bunch of 2nd gen Javelin's as police pursuit vehicles, but then found those large hump protrusions over the front tires held down their speed a bit and made them kind of touchy handling vehicles in high speed pursuits.
  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    I like that old beast and its blue color. MB looked unique and stood out back in those days. Today's models often not as much it seems. In fact, a few models ago some of the rear ends got so plain looking that they could have been a Hyundai or something in those days.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited January 2011
    I've always thought that specific style of old MB kind of resembles a period Rambler, in the greenhouse anyway. But it was different - very modern and elegant in 1959 when the design was new, pretty ancient a few years later. The front end with the tall grille and stacked lights makes an impression too - people think the car is far more valuable than it is in reality.

    Most brands haven't had much in the way of styling in the past 15 or so years that will be remembered fondly when they are 50.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    You'd have to go back to 1993 to catch a picture of my Brougham in the snow. My 2007 Cadillac DTS Performance got caught in the snow the first weekend I had it. It was also the last time it did! Still, there is something about a picture of a clean older car in the snow. Both your cars look good in those pictures.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Back in the day, I wouldn't hesitate to take the old car out in the snow...I thought it was fun, but now it drives on dry roads - a mile away from where that pic was taken, there was no snow to be seen. The modern car is a daily driver, so unless the roads are dangerous, I try to be a trooper and make it into work. The local authorities seldom do anything more than sand the roads, so hopefully corrosion won't be an issue. I bet your Brougham would sparkle in the snow, not to mention the black DTS.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Here's a pic of a 1959 Rambler Ambassador for reference:

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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    yet this season, but here's a pic of my '79 New Yorker from last February...
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  • oregonboyoregonboy Member Posts: 1,650
    Looks very aerodynamic! :shades:
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I do see some vague similarity, although it has to be coincidental - the angular "Farina" style was all the rage in Europe around 1959...rumor has it that MB actually sought Pininfarina to design the car, then claimed to not like the proposals, abandoned the bid, and came up with a very similar in-house design.

    A 59 Rambler Super V8 like that has to be about as rare today as a nice fintail, too.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Something so angular with what looks like a very low drag coefficient...wow :shades:
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I saw a G8 GXP sitting at the local Chrysler used car lot, and a C43 AMG this morning...modern oddballs.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    But the Rambler V8 would beat the fintail in a drag race :P
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Doesn't take much of a V8 to beat a 2.2 I6 with second gear start ;)
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    True but it's still fun to do it. :P

    Actually those Rambler V8s of that era were pretty quick. 327 cid and 270 HP.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Double the HP of my FI fintail...yeah, shouldn't be a tough race.

    I actually don't mind Ramblers of that vintage, or even later ones...relatively clean designs for the time anyway.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    Well, that 275 hp 327 is also the engine in the top-of-the-line Ambassador series. The regular Ramblers just used tame 6-cyl engines, and there was a smaller V-8, a 250 CID unit that put out 215 hp. I'm sure your Fintail would blow away the typical Rambler of the era.

    In 1957, the 327 was used in the Rebel, when it put out 255 hp, and in that lightweight it managed 0-60 in 7.5 seconds. Just to put that in perspective that's about what a '64 GTO would do with the standard 389-4bbl and a stick shift.

    In 1958 though, the 250 became the Rebel engine, while the 327 was used only in the Ambassador.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    An SE can pull 0-60 in about 12 seconds, give or take depending on weather, alignment of planets, when the transmission decides to shift, etc. I guess that might beat something with a more agricultural powerplant.

    I've seen the "Rebel" badge on a 57, that alone looked cool. Can't be many of those left.

    According to this, a fintail performs like a sports car :shades:

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Well they did rally them successfully, which is more than you can say for a Rambler. :P

    And they survived long after every Rambler had already disintegrated into small piles of Ferrous Oxide dust.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    According to this, a fintail performs like a sports car

    Actually, that might not be too far from the truth. When you think about it, back then most sports cars were more about handling and braking than acceleration or top speed. Although 12 seconds 0-60 is pretty darn good for something with an engine that small. In 1957, your typical run-of-the-mill V-8 Plymouth, Ford, or Chevy did 0-60 in around 11-13 seconds, while the 6-cyl cars were more like 15-16 seconds or worse.

    I remember seeing an old road test of a 1957 DeSoto Firedome convertible, with the 341-2bbl and torqueflite, and I think 0-60 came up in 9.7 seconds. I also saw a road test of a 1958 Firesweep, the Dodge-based version, and it was more like 10.5-11 seconds, despite being lighter and having a slightly larger 350 wedge with 10 more hp.

    And one of the biggest embarrassments of that era, IMO, was a test that "Uncle Tom" McCahill did of a 1959 Impala with a 348 tri-power! 0-60 was something like 13.1 or 13.4 seconds. I think it was hampered by having a Turboglide though. Usually a 3-speed automatic gives better performance than a 2-speed, but I've heard that the Turboglide actually hurt performance, compared to the Powerglide.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    fintails were great once you got 'em moving. Most Americans didn't (still don't) know how to drive them. They putt around, fouling spark plugs.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    To be fair, fintails can rust away pretty quickly too - even my clean car isn't 100% rust free (but the problem areas it has are simply "patina" in my eyes :shades: )...I bet the paint and interior aged better anyway.

    And yeah, they need to be revved. My car with the 4 speed auto loves to upshift too soon, then the engine lugs down and sputters. I keep it in a lower gear as much as I can...probably led to the shift linkage breaking a couple years ago, I shift it myself a lot.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    edited January 2011
    For a 2.2, it is a good performer, it revs easy. An SE model is also good for around 105 or so top end, but it will take you months to get there, and you'll probably be at 7000 rpm by that time too. The FI gives it the old revered 1hp/cubic inch, but that's a ~134 cubic inch engine.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I used to drive the crap out of my fintail---just put 'er in the left lane and floor it. The only time it felt a bit anemic was in the Rocky Mountains.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I got mine up to 100 once. Took an eon to get there...accelerates fine up until 85-90 but then it's painful. That same day a transmission cooling line broke, disabling the car...never doing that again :shades:
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    edited January 2011
    well I was working for Mercedes Benz then, so i had the e-ticket to the supply room and plenty of friends at the Training School :)
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    I bet my car could keep them busy for months.

    This year the cooling system will be gone over...I want the steering wheel restored...and the tires and brakes are getting up there in age.

    And then there's next year, and the next year, and the year after that.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    That's why I've got my eyes on a 1929 Buick. I can make the parts from things I buy at Home Depot.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    And it'll probably run on kerosene :shades:

    Wooden wheels too?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Yep, wooden wheels, too. That way I can always carve a new one.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,723
    looked pretty good, but not a garage queen.
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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,107
    Flared fenders and all? It would almost make me put up with old Audi disease!
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    Just don't corner too fast. Probably not much of a worry though.

    I'd think a prewar Ford V8 could be a useful get around car.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Oh yeah, but a prewar Ford V8 costs a lot more than a 29 Buick sedan. Go figure.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,415
    20s cars are very cheap unless they are real classics...Model Ts and As are even cheaper, even open cars aren't very expensive. How about a later (but prewar) Century or Roadmaster for more power?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I generally don't like late 30s/early 40s cars very much.
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