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--jjf
have a dealer in WI in Sheboygan claiming that Honda changed their dealer holdback % earlier this year to 2% from 3%. Is this BS or the truth? He says the holdback on a LX AWD is $567.90 instead of $852.
Traded a 2001 CRV LX with 136,000 miles. Got $6000 for the trade.
can you tell me which dealer?
Please tell me if it was a good deal or should i have bought this Demo car ? Also, they are throwing one year of free maintenance services plus free overhead DVD player. The car runs great but there are some scratches in the back door which they are trying to fix. Do you think it is a good deal ? Also, i have the option if i pay another $2K they will exchange it for a brand new one.
After i had bought the DEMO,now my wife and i are having secnd thoughts about DEMO car. Do you guys think i should not have bought DEMO ? Are DEMO cars bad ?
jfritsch, your expert comments are welcomed
thanks,
If the DVd player is worth 1000 dollars and you have a commmitment to get out the scratches you got an OK deal. In most cases though folks will find better deals new. I generally avoid them, unless a super deal. (which is rare)
Anything that takes your eye off of rigorously pursuing competitive bids from dealers within a 200 mi radius end of month on a new vehicle is generally counterproductive.
2k more for a ex-l res new would be ok, but not an ex-l. I'm assuming these prices aren't OTD.
Good Luck
--jjf
All,
Please tell me if it was a good deal or should i have bought this Demo car ? Also, they are throwing one year of free maintenance services plus free overhead DVD player. The car runs great but there are some scratches in the back door which they are trying to fix. Do you think it is a good deal ? Also, i have the option if i pay another $2K they will exchange it for a brand new one.
After i had bought the DEMO,now my wife and i are having secnd thoughts about DEMO car. Do you guys think i should not have bought DEMO ? Are DEMO cars bad ?
jfritsch, your expert comments are welcomed
thanks,
for 29,800/- OTD. in Newjersey on 30th pril, 07.
Did that price include taxes, title, etc. or what? I'm searching for best prices, and mostly am getting quotes for OTD not counting tax, title, etc.
D
Has anyone seen a better price than this?
Couldn't wait until end of month, car failed inspection and has to come off the road for now.
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$23888 + tax 5% and title/license/fee ($300)
Matched my private finance rate.
No trade.
Used internet for price quotes, and took lowest to the dealer I wanted to use (closest/best service dept.) This dealer beat my other internet deal by $400. Walked in and had the keys ready for test drive, no waiting, no "have a seat would you like something to drink while I size you up?". I recommend always asking for the internet sales team, even if you didn't ask for a quote.
How did I do?
Do you think it is worth it to pay another 2K to exchange my Demo Car for a brand new one ? They are telling me they will fix all the scratches and also an incentive will throw in 1 year of oil changes/1st service, give me new mats and also install the Runnig Bords for free. So i thin this is another $1000 dollars may be. Do you think i should still get it exchanged or just live with the Demo car and hope everything is fine with the car. BTW, i did show that car to my freind who is Auto Body mechanic, and he said there is nothing wrong with the car except the few scratches at the back door. please advise.
thanks,
It seats two in the first row, three in the second row, and *theoretically* three in the third row, but an adult can't even get *in* the third row unless s/he is extremely small or a contortionist.
This deal has a rear entertainment system installed and some running boards? ($1000-1200) Is the rear entertainment system from Honda? (I don't know how exactly that install would work)
$3500 off a new RTL with $1200 in additional options (they are included in the brand new deal right?) is not a great deal. 27000-27500 for a new RTL with 1200 in options would put you about 28,500 for a new one and 27000 for your demo.
Either way try to work the lower price for the new one or express your reservations about the Demo with less mileage warranty and such and try to get them to throw in a HondaCare warranty 8/120 ($1200) or provide it at a BIG discount. (myhondawarranty.com prices)
This dealer definitely has 1500+ worth of leeway on either deal. Depending on your situation the best time to work either one is refusing delivery or title on the demo due to insufficient work on the scratches and getting your warranty, more stuff on the Demo or pay $500 more for the new one with 1200 worth of stuff on it (not 2k more)
If you actually have the ability to walk away obviously play that card to get more off. If you're not comfortable with the deal walk if you want, Pilots aren't going anywhere.
Good Luck
--jjf
Do you think it is worth it to pay another 2K to exchange my Demo Car for a brand new one ? They are telling me they will fix all the scratches and also an incentive will throw in 1 year of oil changes/1st service, give me new mats and also install the Runnig Bords for free. So i thin this is another $1000 dollars may be. Do you think i should still get it exchanged or just live with the Demo car and hope everything is fine with the car. BTW, i did show that car to my freind who is Auto Body mechanic, and he said there is nothing wrong with the car except the few scratches at the back door. please advise.
Your summary is interesting. Where did you get your Invoice Pricing of $25,577.00? I would like to get the same for the EX version, with NAV.
Do let us know how the price quotes go as I guess in being upfront you are cutting some of the song and dance of getting their 'best price' then asking the best ones to come closer to your expectations. Also, I agree you can expect the options pricing to be higher since your estimates are parts' cost only; what are they quoting on labor and does that vary with the number of extras you get?
Last, did you tell them straight up that you expect to collect back the full 3% holdback? Am very eager to hear back how your approach fared -- you must have heard more back by now. Do tell!!
What do you think ?
Nothing really wrong with a demo in principle, at least mechanically . Folks can buy used cars with 30000-100000 miles used on them and get good service. Some buy cars brand new and the trannys fall out at 40000 mi. 5000 miles is not that big of a deal. Some trucks are babied and have trouble, others spend their lives towing 5000 lb every day and are less so. Depends on whether it is a monday or friday car.
--jjf
It was a DONE Deal. I signed the papers on 4/29. when i took the Car back for DVD layer Installation(BTW it is Car Toys)they promised take care of scratches but they have the Pilot for almost 8 days now and i got annoyed with them why is it taking so long to fix the scratches especially when they promised only 3 days. Anyway, to make long story short, i warned them of a possible legal action as they sold me something that they cannot fix. the General Sales Manager got involved and offered me that he an get the exchanged for brand new one for another $1500. or the second option i can still keep the DEMO car and they will give over one year for free services and Install the Running Boards and All season mats for free plus they will pay half of Extended care warranty. All this stuff may be is about $1000-$1500. So now i am thinking if they fix the scratches and if i can get all this stuff than i can save another $1000-$1500 from $28K, than cost for me would be only $26,500. which may be a decent deal ? The only thing that worries me is that it is DEMO vehicle and i am crossing my fingers that it is not problem vehicle. In your opinion, do DEMO vehicles are as good as NEW Ones ? I am meeting with Gen. sales manager and he is going to go over the Pilot with me to make sure i am COMPLETELY satisfied or else Buy a New one.
What do you think ?
Thank you very much for your help and suggestions. I really appreciate your time. I went back to the Dealer and the most i could get out from them was the Running Boards and 12 months of Service inlcluding Oil Changes/Service. I was just tired of them and did not want to argue with them anymore. One thing i learned from this is Car buying is the most complicated negotiations process that anybody will ever go in their lifetime. And almost all Dealers are out there to get you. Most of them will lie.
thanks again jjf
We finally pulled the trigger on our Pilot EX AWD. Here are a few thoughts.
1) Visited 3 dealerships, not much 2WD in stock but 2/3 had all colors for AWD cloth
2) Price we got was $6K off MSRP and $1200 more for our trade in than next best offer
3) Dealt with the internet folks, seemed like they were testing you if you had done your research at first. once this was established and they figured they couldn't push you around then the whole price negotiation was done over the phone.
4) The dealership looked like a ghost town, no customers in the 3 we visited, do your research and if they have "overstock" you will get a good price
5) odd that ours came with Bridgestone tires
6) total time at dealership the buy day = 2-3 hours including test drive
Now time to accessorize!!!!
THANKS EVERYONE FOR ALL YOUR HELP, WOULD NEVER HAVE THOUGH OF BUYING A CAR THE INTERNET WAY!!!!
I need some advice and help. I'm in the market for a 2007 EX-L AWD (no NAV or RES). I sent out mass emails and got a variety of quotes back from Bay Area dealers.
The vehicle price quotes ranged from 27980-29497 (including destination of 595). This is a range of 5860-4343 off MSRP. With TTL, the lowest was 306xx. These prices are for a cash purchase including the 2000 discount. One interesting point is that several dealerships quoted the same vehicle price as their internet price.
What do you guys think? Should I risk waiting a bit longer for end of the month deals, especially that Memorial Weekend is coming up? I was hoping for 30k or less out the door, but I have a feeling it might be 30500 OTD. I'm possibly thinking saving 500 bucks might not be that much of a big deal.
Any suggestions or help would be appreciated.
Thanks.
this past weekend when i went, the dealerships were empty. it might be a different story come memorial weekend.
if you have a price in mind, email them that price... it looks like you dont have far to go to reach your target price...
GL
Thanks. GC
I think a $5000 off MSRP deal for an 08 with an old 5+ year old car as part of the deal is unlikely. Even with the 07's the dealers milked it for $3000 off deals for a few months after intro. This is likely to be bit worse with the demand for the 08 redesign.
6-7 months after the 08's are out, they will likely be discounted $7000 off though, like the rest of the 20 mpg market segment. You're likely to be paying well within $3000 of MSRP for at least a few months after the 08 intro, unless gas goes to 4.99 a gallon.
Check out my message 14394 in the accord prices paid forum for some useful resources on how to buy a car. Who knows, you may find a dealer at the end of a month that would take your deal.
Good Luck
--jjf
Got a quote for 27,118 - 2,000 dealer cash back = 25,118. Plus tax, title and fees = 27,500 bottom line! This includes the 5yr/60,000 powertrain warranty. I haven't negotiated on my trade-in, for which Blue Book Value on my trade-in is $2100 for "good" condition. But, I'm not sure if I should wait till the '08 comes out. My family thinks that I should tell the dealership that I want the same price their quoting for an '08 and to consider throwing in my trade-in, if I can get the '08 for the same price. Any advice would help a great deal.
6-7 months after the 08's are out, they will likely be discounted $7000 off though, like the rest of the 20 mpg market segment. You're likely to be paying well within $3000 of MSRP for at least a few months after the 08 intro, unless gas goes to 4.99 a gallon.
To be clear:
The 08 Pilot is NOT a redesign. There are new packages (VP / SE), but it will look pretty much the same (1 new color).
08s should arrive late July / early August.
The 09 Pilot IS a redesign. Good guess at availability: April 08.
What do you think is about lowest price I could realisticly get? I am trying to establish a target.
Also, How much should TTL be? Sales tax here is 7.75%, but what about the other fees, about what percent (I am in California if that helps)
Thanks,
Matt
--jjf
I am looking for a white 2007 Pilot EX 2-WD. Best price I have seen offered to me online is 25,399 + TTL ( About $4700.00 off MSRP) This price was among the 3 quotes that I have gotten so far.
What do you think is about lowest price I could realisticly get? I am trying to establish a target.
Also, How much should TTL be? Sales tax here is 7.75%, but what about the other fees, about what percent (I am in California if that helps)
Thanks,
Matt
got mine for $6k off msrp AND $1200 more for our trade in from what others offered.
you may have to "settle" for an AWD
GL, let us know how it went/goes
Dealer Cash? Holdback? etc...
Based on this forum it seems these quotes are about 1K high.
Thanks in advance for your help...
Trae
for unknown reasons all of the quotes are much higher than the prices posted here except the quotes from Oregon. It seems that the price in this area is very stable. I follow this forum for a while and find that in some states, the quotes can be very high in first half of the month but they can go down a lot at the end of month. but it is not true in this area.
Many of the internet managers are not moving on the price. If I can't get the car for 30k then 30625 isn't that bad. Being at 30625 is almost 6000 (5840 to be exact) off MSRP.
There doesn't seem like any hurt to wait until later in the month like people have suggested. And if it is true that the redesign is a 2009 model, then waiting will pay off as they transition into the 2008 with additional subclasses later this summer.
Just my experience in california so far.
I do have time on my side. From the previous posts that I've read 30k isn't too bad. 29500 would be great and 29000 would be awesome OTD prices. But from the dealers I've talked to, they would all be loosing money. Even though they would be loosing money, at the end of the year, depending on their volume, they could get millions from Honda, like a bonus. So in my mind, loosing 500 bucks on a car will be made up in the end. This mainly applies to high volume sellers, like Anderson Honda, in Nor Cal.
Pilot w/ RES AWD - $28,998 +595 Dest +tax, $199 doc, registration & tags. $29.6K +TTL OTD
Note: $1500 less for NO RES.
Is this a good price - its 2500 under invoice (most dealerships are holding $400-500 higher)
Thanks.
Trae
Yes. I live in So Cal area and I recived a quote for an EXL 2WD black/gray....cash deal so $1,000 rebate:
-Invoice $28,810 +$300= $29,110 (includes $595 destination and $1k rebate)
-Accessories= $590 (cargo tray, wheel locks, edge and mudguards)
-Doc fee=$55
-Tire fee=$8.75
-License fee=$260
-Sales tax (7.75%)= $2,306.01
OTD Price= $32,329.76
I wasn't happy with this quote given that the dealer has marketing support incentives of $2500. They only parted with $1k.
I hope this helps