Honda Odyssey Future Models

stickguy

using my convoluted logic, the RX was really a Camry station wagon, as I often pointed out to my SIL who had one.

player4

No thast all that i found, but as soon as i find more ill let you guys know!!!

lol post 1400!!!!

jchan2

is growing remarkably fast for a car few people know about outside of the Honda workers.

user777

rorr writes:
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And yes, there are a SUBSTANTIAL number of people that are 100% loyal to Honda and simply will NOT consider anything else. Many of these have 3, 4, 5 years on their current Ody and have been holding off their purchase waiting patiently for the '05 models
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Actually - I think there are loyal Honda owners who plan on owning their ODYs much longer than 5 years.

jchan2

but many of them will trade up. (I will, after a few more years of driving my 2002 model)

strager

My understanding is this will be the JDM Odyssey. I expect it will be introduced at the NY show next year followed by launch in the fall.

jchan2

Our wish for an Acura minivan here on this board (remember all those posts a few pages back?) maybe has been granted.

andrewtran71

If Acura is launching a minivan, we can expect Lexus to go along.
And that's what I would buy---a lexus minivan for true luxury minivan.

vcarreras

has the 160hp 2.4 4 cylinder. Is this minivan you are talking about that MIGHT come here? Sure would be nice but as an Acura it will probably have a 200hp output plus more torque..

rctennis3811

I'm expecting the Acura "minivan" to use a 4-cylinder engine but with iVTEC for more horsepower and VIS for more torque.

jchan2

Honda will try and drop a V6 in there unless it doesn't fit. Then it will add a turbo 4 cylinder. (just my guess)

rctennis3811

If this Acura minivan is a rebadged Japan Odyssey, then I'm expecting a high-output 4-cylinder. If it's a new model that hasn't been released yet, then I don't know what they'll put in it. But if this is a rebadged US Odyssey, then it'll use the V6 too.

player4

I think that the Acura Minivan will use the same engine that is gonna be used on the 2006 Honda SUT which is rumored to have 265hp or more, because Acura has become a more performance oriented make than Honda.

jchan2

a turbocharged 4 cylinder in there, it'd be fuel efficient and powerful. But Honda doesn't have a turbocharged 4 cylinder on the shelves ready to go. It'd take time to develop.

dudleyr

It only weighs 3,500 lbs (just a tad more than a TSX) so it would not take much of a jump in power to be quite peppy for a minivan. Of course the people that just look at the numbers (without taking weight into account) probably won't be satisfied.

jchan2

I agree. For a car that light, 200 horsepower should make it quite peppy.

rctennis3811

To me, if it's smaller than an Odyssey with 4 full doors then probably a high-revving 4-cylinder or V6. But if it's the size of the Odyssey or bigger with sliding doors then probably a higher-output 3.5L engine...probably the same one as the RL. <<300HP luxury minivan would be pretty cool!

robr2

But would we really consider the JDM Odyssey a "mini-van"? It's profile and traditional swinging door design reeks of crossover to me. Not that it would be a back thing.

I forsee a semi-distinct variantion of the NA Odyssey to be it.

spartanmann

From what I can decipher, some people think Honda will introduce an Acura minivan that is smaller, has a 4 cylinder engine and costs more than the ODY. Just curious - any of you guys previously work for GM on product development?

cardude

Ouch, that's gotta hurt:-)

I don't work for any car companies, but I think that if it's going to be smaller, then it will be an Acura WAGON to compete with the Mercedes wagon, but it will be a V6.

If it's a minivan, it has to be the same size as the Odyssey, but a lot more luxurious and looks a lot better.

Although I would prefer a luxury minivan, my gut instinct tells me that if Acura is going to release something like this, it will be a wagon, not a minivan. But I hope I am 100% wrong.

jchan2

it would be the Acura Elysion, be a shorter Odyssey and lean more towards performance than utility.

neighbor

Showed the picture of the green van to someone else. They also said the general appearance looked like the 2005. Not exactly--in general.

jchan2

I like the green picture. Just some parts of it I don't like.

dako_tian

I don't like that fact that it is posted so often here, is vague, shows something while showing nothing, is of suspect vintage, and thus conveys nothing our imaginations haven't already done better. And the reports that it is kind of like the reality are worth about as much as showing a postage-stamp-sized photo of a 1947 Pontiac to a VW employee and hearing him say, "Yeah, that looks pretty much like the new Beetle." ;-)

ac00lra

Yeah I think if's gonna be an Acura minivan, it's gotta be a souped up Elysion. :-) I wish. I wish... I don't like the JDM Odyssey one bit. Too much of a raised station wagon.

cardude

No, I think it's just going to be the next Acura MDX totally redesigned, but it won't be an Acura minivan or wagon.

cardude

It's kind of like saying, "The Sienna looks kind of like the Odyssey. The Odyssey looks sort of kind of like a Dodge Caravan. The Sienna looks kind of like the Mazda MVP."
Heck, they all kind of sort of look like each other a little bit.
So yeah, we don't know anything and no body is telling us anything.
Damn Honda.

jchan2

a car salesperson that says the Civic looks more or less like a Corolla or Aveo.

casper7777

I found this link:

http://www.wtvynews4.com/home/headlines/816267.html

Honda needs 1000 workers to fill positions at its Lincoln, Alabama plant -- the same plant that is building the all new Honda Odysseys this fall. It looks like they are gearing toward full production by August.

Does anyone know when Honda will officially debut the new Odyssey, i.e. provide photos, specs, etc?

robr2

The SUT is supposed to be built in Alabama so that may be the reason for the new workers.

jchan2

Pilot production will move completely to Alabama, so maybe that's another reason for more jobs needed down in Lincoln, Alabama.

prajapati

http://world.honda.com/Tokyo2003/auto/odyssey/index.html

stickguy

no, but could be the infamous Acura wagon/van/whatever.

jchan2

that's the Japanese Odyssey. Our Odyssey is the LaGreat over there. But that could be the anticipated (at least on this board) Acura van thingy.

lok888

No. No. No. Again, this is a JDM Odyssey. And no for Acura minivan too even Honda decides to launch a minivan in its luxury division. It is too small. We want supersize in everything.

jchan2

not always. When I go to a Chick-Fil-A most of the customers don't supersize their order. (although most of them do drive SUVs, but that's another story)

Also, who said that every American wanted to supersize their car? I don't. My garage wouldn't hold my Odyssey if it wasn't extra deep. If the Japanese or GM introduces a nice microvan like the JDM Odyssey, I may get one.

stickguy

The JDM is far from compact. The original Chrysler minis are dwarfed by the current crop, and millions of people got along just fine with them.

Yes, some people need (or think they need) a 201" long "mini" van, but plenty of others would find a 185" +/- one (say MPV size) just right.

jchan2

Like me. I could do just fine with some of the current microvans on the market. The JDM Odyssey, Toyota Wish and Mitsubishi Grandis would suit me fine.

vcarreras

DON'T want the Odyssey/Sienna because they ARE too big. There are offerings around the world which some of us hope will be offered here. The Honda JDM Odyssey and Stream, Toyata WISH/Avensis, Mercedes with their new B Type, BMW 1 Series and what was just shown at both Geneva and New York shows the Mazda 4 MX-Flexa which may be coming here next sping. All are mini"mico"vans which would be PERFECT for me and many of us. Some say that they are too small for our market. I disagree because if it is built it WILL sell. Look at the Matrix and Scion. They are selling VERY well BUT too small for me. Let us hope with the price of gas that these automakers will build these vehicles for our market and not let the rest of the world have them!

jchan2

I agree. The Scion xB is too small for me, but the Odyssey is on the large side for me. I bought the Odyssey since there wasn't anything else I liked that was smaller.

dudleyr

A minivan that has not been Maxed out would be very nice. The JDM Odyssey would be a perfect size for many people.

andrewtran71

You can't please everyone in business. You have to please the majority. When the Odyssey came out at 202" long, it blew away the competition. More leg room. More cargo room. More everything for your money.
Why do you guys think the Sienna increased it's size to 200"?
To please a few people?
No, to please the majority to make money. So to make a smaller MINIVAN would be a mistake in terms of making money from the MAJORITY.

weaselinsuit

I agree, I think the majority of people want mini vans that are larger. Most (I agree, not all) people buying mini vans have more than one kid and need the extra space to help carry progeny and all the gear that goes with them. All that space isn't needed all the time but it sure makes it nice to have it when you need it.

rorr

I see no reason why more manufacturers can't sell minivans in a variety of sizes.

Fer pete's sake, Toyota sells 5 different SUV's (Rav4, 4runner, Highlander, Sequoia, & LC), not to mention the 3 Lexus versions.....but just 1 minivan???

I say there is plenty of market available for a JDM Odyssey and Toyota Wish IN ADDITION TO the more popular-sized 'mini'vans.....

vcarreras

the present/new Odyssey/Sienna. All I (we) want is to have the smaller sport wagon/van Elysion/WISH/MX-Flexa because I like other don't need something that big but want something pratical/sport and more fuel efficient than what is offered here. These other named vehicles ARE in the rest of the world and just want to be able to get one here. My wife and I are "Empty Nesters" so we no longer need a van as big as the present Odyssey/Sienna. We want to replace a 93 Mercury Villager with something about the same size or slightly smaller. The present Ody/Sienna are too big so that is why the WISH/Elysion/Flexa would be perfect. I'm not saying you who want the larger vans can't. Just give me something that would fill my and others needs which is not being offered!

gjay1170

Hey Andrew, It's me Gayle again. I'm still waiting for the 05 Odyssey. Do you still think that the 05 will launch after July 4th, and come into the dealerships for the end of August/Early September? What are these rumors about building a smaller Odyssey. I love the fact that my 01 is so big that I can fit a full size couch in it. When I leased it in 01, I was looking at Siennas too. They were too small. I really don't care that it doesn't fit in the garage, I have a problem fitting our Acura Sedan in there too. (Not a deep garage at all). I don't need the double stroller in there anymore since my kids are a little older, but the extra room behind the 3rd row was just perfect. I hope the Odyssey will still have all the room and more.

stickguy

sometimes you have to put the product out there to create (or unearth) the market. Luxury SUVs are a good example. IIRC, when Lincoln rolled out the Navigator, people thought they were crazy. Same with the Element/xB.

The mini/mini van just needs to have the appropriate style and upscale content theat people like chan and the empty nesters want. I believe Chrysler relegated the short wheel base model to stripper duty.

So, a compact van for Acura makes sense. Honda should be able to support it too, for all the people that want a Honda so they buy an Ody even though it is bigger than they need. After all, they do have the CR-V and Pilot for small/large, and the ELement for something different.

andrewtran71

Hi, there.

I hope we get some '05 Odyssey FACTS from HONDA by July 4th. I think they will be available for sale by August.

The Japanese and European market seems to prefer sportier and smaller size vehicles.
Thus, for smart business, Honda makes vehicles to meet that market.
However, in the USA, the majority of us like our vehicles LARGE.

There is nothing wrong with trying to please everyone, if they can still make good busniness. I think the Odyssey will be the large minivan competing with the Sienna, Quest, and T&C.
The Sienna and Quest are already bragging about having more leg and cargo room. I think the new Odyssey has to at least match those figures.

The rumor is that Acura may be coming out with a smaller, sportier, more luxurious minivan.

Who really knows since it's just rumors.

All I know is that Lexus has no plans to make a Lexus minivan.
That makes me think Acura won't either.

I just hope the new Odyssey will be at least as big on the INTERIOR as the Sienna and Quest, but comes available in better packages than the Sienna to meet everyone's needs without confusing people.

I think it's wise to wait for the '05 Ody to come out.
Should be exciting.

vcarreras

then why is Honda bringing the JAZZ/FIT? To fill a hole. There is also a hole for the JDM Odyssey/Elysion/WISH/Flexa to fit!

lok888

I agree that different people have different needs. But what I meant is when we don't get the JDM Odyssey here, what would be the reason we should the JDM Odyssey to be an Acura minivan? Why we don't see the Acura EL (in Canadian market) which is a rebadged Honda Civic here?The purpose of the minivan is to carry up to 7 or 8 and cargo at the same time. A Mazda MPV seems too small for the job. Just my thoughts.