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Yes, you are wrong. Planetary full hybrids like Prius, 400h, and Escape hybrids do not have transmission(just reduction gears) between drivetrain and the wheels. You can look at it two ways: 1) E-CVT is tightly intergrated into the drivetrain. 2) There is no dedicated hardware just for the role of transmission.
"If that is the case the only thing the ICE performs is electrical generation."
ICE can turn the wheel and/or generate electricity with the introduction of Power Split Device(PSD). Prius is a true full hybrids with two power sources and two drivetrains. It just happens that electricity is generated from the same ICE that also power the wheels.
From your description, your perception of Prius is a series hybrid where ICE generates electricity and e-motor drives the wheels. It is incorrect because Prius can act as both series or parallel hybrid designs. You can find more information at: http://www.toyota.co.jp/en/tech/environment/ths2/what.html
Dennis
quote- But the giant skeleton in every HEV's closet is COST. Anyone who has any idea what these dual powertrain components really cost will know that Toyota is stretching credibility to claim that even the simpler Echo-based Gen I Prius was profitable at its $20k price.
By selling small volumes of $40K HEVs at half price, Toyota and Honda have reaped huge PR benefits while concealing the actual cost of hybrid technology from customers and, more importantly, from technologically ignorant media and environmental advocates.-end
http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=7269&sid=19- - 2&n=156
Gee, anyone know who keeps stating that the Prius is profitable?
When you buy a diesel you are paying your fair share of the cost as diesels are profitable. In reality, they are more profitable than gasoline models.
Hybrids also receive tax incentives.
When will hybrids be able to exist on their own merit and generate profits?
The diagram on the Toyota site very clearly shows the transmission (CVT) between the electric motor and wheels and between the engine and wheels.
usb- Are you saying the Toyota diagram is incorrect?
Again with the over-generalization...
Anywho, you are smelling sulfur, which is caused by dirty gas. It has nothing to do with being a hybrid or not. Your area still has high-sulfur gas.
Thankfully, low-sulfur gas will be required nationwide by the end of next year. (CA has had it for ages. Spots along East Coast have it for years. And some stations in MN have had it since 1999.)
JOHN
That must be why I had not noticed the rotten egg smell here on our CA highways. The LX470/Landcruiser are in the top 5 worst polluters for 2004. Hopefully Toyota will clean up all their vehicles to at least come up to the rest of the automakers. Maybe the hybrid is a smoke screen to cover up their inability to build an ICE that is low emission.
http://www.greenercars.com/12mean.html
And low sulfur diesel will be available nationwide by the end of 2006, allowing diesel emissions to be reduced greater than 90%.
Until then, sulfur is in the gasoline for the hybrids and diesel fuel for the diesels, except in CA.
That is a bizarre statement.
First, it isn't true. Sulfur will still be in gas & diesel afterward anyway... hence the word "low".
Second, "except in CA" is meaningless. The other areas are just playing catch up.
Third, some areas are "close to low" already for gas. They just don't meet the cutoff. And other areas have already achieved the "low" criteria, like select stations in MN since 1999.
JOHN
This is how it actually look like.
That thing in the middle is the Power Split Device. It is similar to the differential of rear wheel cars where driveshaft power is split into two rear wheels. PSD is sort of like reverse of differential. Try to imagine replacing two rear wheels with ICE and electric motor.
PSD is not a CVT. The whole drivetrain is the transaxle.
Dennis
I always smell it on Van Wyck passing flushing before connecting with Cross Island Pkwy. I thought it was cuz of those dump and swamp. Might be totally different topic.
Dennis
That is a bizarre statement.
First, it isn't true. Sulfur will still be in gas & diesel afterward anyway... hence the word "low".
Second, "except in CA" is meaningless. The other areas are just playing catch up.
Third, some areas are "close to low" already for gas. They just don't meet the cutoff. And other areas have already achieved the "low" criteria, like select stations in MN since 1999.
JOHN
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Your entire response is bizarre.
CA already has sulfur at 30 ppm level and diesel at 50 ppm or less sulfur. Other states in the US do not have or do not uniformly have the low sulfur fuels, hence the "except CA" reference.
What is low? What does close to low mean? These statements are vague and meaningless judged by your past criticism, yet I understand your intent.
Taking into consideration your purpose of "Improving your debate skills" your response is understandable.
Pointing out the "national requirement by the end of 2005" does not need any further clarification. The entire country will be held to the same criteria for the label of "low sulfur".
> Other states in the US do not have...
Yes they do.
JOHN
"Yes they do" requires clarification.
http://dieselforum.org/resources/JD0604.pdf
Reread the previous posts.
JOHN
Well, the liberty diesel is based off of a motor that VM makes for Mercedes. Plus in a round about way, VM is owned by DC so it's not a stretch to say it's a MB diesel. No where near as removed as Cummins is to Dodge, that's for sure.
Speculation...let's wait until oct 2005 and pull the numbers again. I think they'll both be selling like hotcakes.
Can anyone tell me what RPM (approx) the TDI 1.9 turns when going 70 MPH?
4th Gear = ~3050rpm
5th Gear = ~2375rpm
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oil and oil filter changes, air filters,cabin filters, brake pads, rotors, fuel filters, 2 year brake fluid changes, tires, timing belt change, water pump change, Clutch wear.
All DIY
(except for 275 dollars in 90-120k mile TB change, or -.00275=.0087058 cents per mile (x 100k) = $ 870.58 if I did it myself).
There is a water separator built into each fuel filter. 1. So if it is time to change the filter, (you can bypass the water separating gig) which takes all of 2 min. 2. So if it is time to do JUST the water separator proceedure you MIGHT add another 2 min. for a total of 4 min.
I am not sure in what context you mean by "Easy but if time is money..." But I hope my answer to your question is clear.
Diesel has advantage on cost.
(50 mpg, 1887 gals. @ 1.59 #2 diesel) vs 1.95 ur)
But TDIs are selling for MSRP with sometimes discounts of $1000-$1200
while non-TDIs are selling anywhere from $3000 to $4,500 off of MSRP.
So actually the gap in VW is $2,200 to $3,500 between TDI and non-TDI models.
YMMV,
MidCow
As much bru ha ha that has been in the media and markets about the gasser hybrids, precious few folks have seemed to join the fray about their 2003 Prius's and Honda Insights!?
Hindsight indicates I should knock on wood for getting the 2003 TDI at invoice plus!
How long do you honestly expect the typical owner to continue active in message boards?
They say their piece, listen to the nonsense that results, then move on.
JOHN
There is no hybrid on the market that offers a financial savings due to fuel economy during the first 100,000 miles compared to similar non hybrid gasoline vehicle.
Diesel, howver, does offer a financial advantage during the first 100,000 miles and in the case of the Passat the cost difference is returned by savings on fuel in the first 15,000 miles.
There seems no other explanation for how uptight you are getting.
Just chill and instead look at the LONG-TERM perspective. Don't like the stuff happening today bother you so much.
JOHN