Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

28firefighter

I just don’t know. I’m torn. Financially it seems prudent. And it’s a beautiful car.  But...

suydam

14 miles is not much. You’ll be charging all the time.

28firefighter

suydam said:

14 miles is not much. You’ll be charging all the time.

It would operate in hybrid mode the rest of the time. My primary errands each day are within 3 miles round trip of my house. 

Also, it would be about 40% less costwise on a lease than a comparable Volt. 

breld

Looking at one of my local dealers websites, cap costs on the 330e are running $12k or so below MSRP? And residuals are 61% for 12k/36? Go for it!

28firefighter

I would be targeting a demo. I’m eligible for 7500 in rebates and would be looking at a pretty significant dealer discount.  Plus the rates on a 24/10 lease are even better. 

28firefighter

breld said:

Looking at one of my local dealers websites, cap costs on the 330e are running $12k or so below MSRP? And residuals are 61% for 12k/36? Go for it!

Enabler...

roadburner

suydam said:

14 miles is not much. You’ll be charging all the time.

Nope; put the car in Battery Save mode and the car will charge itself. A Level 1 charger fully charges the battery in 6-7 hours. Plus, it's RWD and runs the quarter in the low fourteens. It's as close to tree-hugging as I want to get...

qbrozen

@nycarguy
well, yeah, you still had that front end noise, right?

qbrozen

breld said:

Looking at one of my local dealers websites, cap costs on the 330e are running $12k or so below MSRP? And residuals are 61% for 12k/36? Go for it!

So what are we talking here? A $50k car? $38k cap cost and $30,500 residual? A little over $200/mo rent charge? That's absurd. 

qbrozen

My closest dealer isn't showing anywhere near that. They want $4300 due at signing and $299*24mos plus tax and tags. $52k msrp

the i3 seems like a deal though. They show $4100 at signing and $99*24mos. And that is a model WITH range extender. $49k msrp

28firefighter

qbrozen said:

My closest dealer isn't showing anywhere near that. They want $4300 due at signing and $299*24mos plus tax and tags. $52k msrp

the i3 seems like a deal though. They show $4100 at signing and $99*24mos. And that is a model WITH range extender. $49k msrp

I never go by advertised deals, especially on demos. Demos are a BMW best kept secret, if you ask me. Takes a lot more work now that security deposits are gone, but can still be pretty great.

I like the i3 but isn't practical for us.

nyccarguy

qbrozen said:

@nycarguy
well, yeah, you still had that front end noise, right?

He didn't test drive the car.  Just looked it over, started it up, listened to the engine, took a photo of the VIN... that's it/

qbrozen

28firefighter said:

My closest dealer isn't showing anywhere near that. They want $4300 due at signing and $299*24mos plus tax and tags. $52k msrp

the i3 seems like a deal though. They show $4100 at signing and $99*24mos. And that is a model WITH range extender. $49k msrp

I never go by advertised deals, especially on demos. Demos are a BMW best kept secret, if you ask me. Takes a lot more work now that security deposits are gone, but can still be pretty great. I like the i3 but isn't practical for us.

Oh I'm not saying great deals aren't out there. But my closest dealer isn't even going to get me in the door with that ad.

kyfdx

When I leased the 2011 Z4 service loaner, I had to scour the country for one that had the right combination of miles and a low purchase price. Most dealers had stupid asking prices ($5000 off a $55K MSRP with 11K miles), but I found two that really wanted to move the metal. (Labor Day, 2011).

Stupid high residuals, low CAP cost, MSDs.. $55K MSRP for 24/10. $335/mo, with $335 plus 7 MSDs out of pocket.

Cost me $150 to fly to Baltimore to get it. They picked me up at the airport at 1 pm. Left the dealership at 3 pm. Home by 11:30 pm.

One week later, my wife says she hates the car. Three weeks after that, I flipped it to her best friend on a lease transfer. $335/month!!

That's my best lease deal, to date.

tbirdmarco

@sandman_6472 same rite back at you and for everyone in hear to as whell favrate websight when comes to cars and favrate borde on edmans to as whell you are all my frends that I have never met! soon do we should all have an meat up! would be cool!

tbirdmarco

@breld that will be you! whats leaving the fleet in the next week! lollollol

tbirdmarco

@corvette lollollol!

tbirdmarco

@28firefighter go for it!

Mr_Shiftright

corvette said:

Happy Festivus (tomorrow)... "I got a lotta problems with you people, and now you're going to hear about it!"

Do you have your pole up yet?

roadburner

Mr_Shiftright said:

corvette said:

Happy Festivus (tomorrow)... "I got a lotta problems with you people, and now you're going to hear about it!"

Do you have your pole up yet?

I find tinsel distracting.

graphicguy

28FF, if @breld isn’t going to step up before year end, the duty falls to you. No Pressure!

I’ve always felt that the easier the deal, the better the deal. A guy that lives on my cul-de-sac bought a nice Toyota Sequoia (didn’t know they still make those). Quite nice.

He saw me driving down the street to finish up Christmas shopping last night and he stopped me to show me his new SUV. Said he was at the dealership all day Thursday and yesterday making a deal. I guess the snag was he wanted them to throw in a brush guard (understand, this thing will NEVER see anything but smooth pavement) and to have it installed before Christmas. The dealer dug in his heels on price and wasn’t budging. Plus, the time to get it installed just wasn’t available.

After two days of this, the dealer gave my neighbor a due bill for the brush gard at a 10% discount and installation after the NEw Year, but my neighbor was going to “ding” him on the survey because it was so hard to make a deal.

Sometimes customers are just difficult to work with. I rail on dealers who want to “grind” (and I refuse to deal with them). Sometimes, there are customers who will do the same (and knowing my neighbor, he’s one of them).

suydam

I find that for me, the easier the deal, the better I feel about the car afterwards. And the dealership too. I loved my 2013 Accord but there was always a slightly sour memory attached to it because of dealer shenanigans at the last minute.

28firefighter

I took the @graphicguy approach and submitted a one and done offer. 

roadburner

graphicguy said:

Sometimes customers are just difficult to work with. I rail on dealers who want to “grind” (and I refuse to deal with them). Sometimes, there are customers who will do the same (and knowing my neighbor, he’s one of them).

My "favorite" grinder at my store was a well known TV personality who fought tooth and nail over $20/month on his wife's X3 lease. This after a salesperson and I spent over two hours helping said wife find the "right" vehicle in 96 degree weather the day before.

carnaught

@sandman_6472, well said about this forum and our fellow car lovers. Merry Christmas, Happy and safe Holidays to all and our families!

28firefighter

roadburner said:

Sometimes customers are just difficult to work with. I rail on dealers who want to “grind” (and I refuse to deal with them). Sometimes, there are customers who will do the same (and knowing my neighbor, he’s one of them).

My "favorite" grinder at my store was a well known TV personality who fought tooth and nail over $20/month on his wife's X3 lease. This after a salesperson and I spent over two hours helping said wife find the "right" vehicle in 96 degree weather the day before.

This stuff makes me insane. Especially when I’m helping friends. I have no interest in a transaction where folks feel disrespected. I like a great deal, but if I don’t think it’s doable as a deal where everyone leaves happy, I don’t even bother. 

roadburner

My wife and I had a very unpleasant experience when we bought our Scorpio in 1988; in retrospect we should have walked. Twenty-eight years later when Andy Mohr Ford jerked us around we did walk- and when they later emailed us offering to accept our number and deliver the car we didn't hesitate to tell them to forget it.

tjc78

kyfdx said:

When I leased the 2011 Z4 service loaner, I had to scour the country for one that had the right combination of miles and a low purchase price. Most dealers had stupid asking prices ($5000 off a $55K MSRP with 11K miles), but I found two that really wanted to move the metal. (Labor Day, 2011). Stupid high residuals, low CAP cost, MSDs.. $55K MSRP for 24/10. $335/mo, with $335 plus 7 MSDs out of pocket. Cost me $150 to fly to Baltimore to get it. They picked me up at the airport at 1 pm. Left the dealership at 3 pm. Home by 11:30 pm. One week later, my wife says she hates the car. Three weeks after that, I flipped it to her best friend on a lease transfer. $335/month!! That's my best lease deal, to date.

How did the MSD work?  Did you get it back upon transfer? 

tjc78

Been the wingman via phone with a buddy of mine working a deal on a 2017 Tucson.  Looks like we are a few hundred apart on the lease deal.  He is taking it home to the wife now for approval.  If she likes it, he is going on for the kill and hopes to take it home today.  

Low MF and 3000 lease cash certainly help things for a decent payment.   

Michaell

tjc78 said:

Been the wingman via phone with a buddy of mine working a deal on a 2017 Tucson.  Looks like we are a few hundred apart on the lease deal.  He is taking it home to the wife now for approval.  If she likes it, he is going on for the kill and hopes to take it home today.  

Low MF and 3000 lease cash certainly help things for a decent payment.   

I've been noticing the Tucson more and more recently. Quite the handsome SUV.

Not that I want an SUV, nor am I shopping at the moment....

Sandman6472

Prefer the Sportage over the Tucson to be honest. Nicer dash layout, nicer tail light treatment and do like the front fascia. Kia has been bringing out some nice iron the last few years to be honest. Never have an issue driving any Kia/Hyundai product at work while other drivers hate 'em. All relative I guess!!

The Sandman

Michaell

sandman_6472 said:

Prefer the Sportage over the Tucson to be honest. Nicer dash layout, nicer tail light treatment and do like the front fascia. Kia has been bringing out some nice iron the last few years to be honest. Never have an issue driving any Kia/Hyundai product at work while other drivers hate 'em. All relative I guess!!

The Sandman

I dunno, Sandy. I think the front end of the Sportage is just odd-looking. IMHO.

corvette

Buying the Mustang was a pretty easy deal. They had it priced attractively to begin with and offered a fair number on my trade-in. I asked for $1,000 off and they gave a few hundred, which was enough to meet the number I had in mind. I'd go to that dealer again if they had something I wanted.

tjc78

I agree @Michaell nice looking little SUV.  I’d take it over my Mom’s RAV any day.  

As for easy deals... the easiest I probably did was my current 2017 Enclave.   Dealer wanted to move a unit and I stood firm at what I wanted.  Couple of phone calls and a trip to pick it up.  

Michaell

My Jetta was pretty easy, as leases go. Since I had all the numbers, I could keep the dealer honest on their calculations.

And, the negotiations over the disposition of the Elantra GT was pretty straightforward - we figured, between the miles, the damage (rear bumper) and the two remaining payments, the total was about $2K. We split it, so $1K was added to the cap cost. Still put me at a payment that was less than the E-GT (about $3/mo, but still....)

ab348

Michaell said:

I've been noticing the Tucson more and more recently. Quite the handsome SUV.

Not that I want an SUV, nor am I shopping at the moment....

I heard lots of owners of this current iteration were unhappy with the behavior of the transmission at least in the first model year, dunno if Hyundai improved it subsequently.

Re/ the front-end styling on the Sportage, I agree it looks odd. I thought Kia restyled it for the 2018 model year though?

sda

Bradd, Congrats on the new Pilot! I look forward to learning your likes and hopefully few dislikes and how it compares to the old one. My wife and I had a similar discussion about 2 months ago whether to keep or trade our 2010. Because I was able to spread out some of the maintenance costs over the past year that made it easier. However if it should become a garage queen it will be replaced quickly. Enjoy!

kyfdx

tjc78 said:

kyfdx said:

When I leased the 2011 Z4 service loaner, I had to scour the country for one that had the right combination of miles and a low purchase price. Most dealers had stupid asking prices ($5000 off a $55K MSRP with 11K miles), but I found two that really wanted to move the metal. (Labor Day, 2011).

Stupid high residuals, low CAP cost, MSDs.. $55K MSRP for 24/10. $335/mo, with $335 plus 7 MSDs out of pocket.

Cost me $150 to fly to Baltimore to get it. They picked me up at the airport at 1 pm. Left the dealership at 3 pm. Home by 11:30 pm.

One week later, my wife says she hates the car. Three weeks after that, I flipped it to her best friend on a lease transfer. $335/month!!

That's my best lease deal, to date.

How did the MSD work?  Did you get it back upon transfer? 

Yes, her friend had to reimburse me for the MSDs, as they were transferred to her, when she assumed the lease. 23 months later, she got them back at lease end.

kyfdx

28firefighter said:

roadburner said:

graphicguy said:

Sometimes customers are just difficult to work with. I rail on dealers who want to “grind” (and I refuse to deal with them). Sometimes, there are customers who will do the same (and knowing my neighbor, he’s one of them).

My "favorite" grinder at my store was a well known TV personality who fought tooth and nail over $20/month on his wife's X3 lease. This after a salesperson and I spent over two hours helping said wife find the "right" vehicle in 96 degree weather the day before.

This stuff makes me insane. Especially when I’m helping friends. I have no interest in a transaction where folks feel disrespected. I like a great deal, but if I don’t think it’s doable as a deal where everyone leaves happy, I don’t even bother. 

$20/mo. is $700. Every time a salesperson says, "You aren't going to lose this deal over $20, are you?", I tell them to write me a check for $700, and we are good to go.

A car dealer will grind you for that last $100. I'm not a grinder. If you meet my price, we'll have a deal. But, I won't feel sorry for you, for having to work outside when it's hot.

kyfdx

This guy needs advice on which car to buy?
https://forums.edmunds.com/discussion/49744/general/x/i-need-used-car-recommendations#latest

Anyone here have an opinion?

tjc78

Dealer and my buddy still a little  apart on the Tucson.  I am gonna call the salesperson I dealt with on the Elantra on Tuesday to see if she can do better, providing they have a 2017 he likes.  

MSRP 30k we are at $1500 OOP $277 month.  I haven’t had a chance to look at all the #s but they aren’t marking up the MF and are discounting about 5K with the 3000 lease cash.   I didn’t like some of the fees they tacked on, so I still think he can get $250 or so all in.  

28firefighter

No go from me. They’re holding firm, which is certainly their prerogative. 

breld

Here’s one of the ads I’ve been looking at on the 330e. The discounted price of around $12k off MSRP and the residual make sense, but the payment (with $2750 down) doesn’t add up.

330e

28firefighter

kyfdx said:

roadburner said:

Sometimes customers are just difficult to work with. I rail on dealers who want to “grind” (and I refuse to deal with them). Sometimes, there are customers who will do the same (and knowing my neighbor, he’s one of them).

My "favorite" grinder at my store was a well known TV personality who fought tooth and nail over $20/month on his wife's X3 lease. This after a salesperson and I spent over two hours helping said wife find the "right" vehicle in 96 degree weather the day before.

This stuff makes me insane. Especially when I’m helping friends. I have no interest in a transaction where folks feel disrespected. I like a great deal, but if I don’t think it’s doable as a deal where everyone leaves happy, I don’t even bother. 

$20/mo. is $700. Every time a salesperson says, "You aren't going to lose this deal over $20, are you?", I tell them to write me a check for $700, and we are good to go. A car dealer will grind you for that last $100. I'm not a grinder. If you meet my price, we'll have a deal. But, I won't feel sorry for you, for having to work outside when it's hot.

I have a problem with either side grinding. I usually just walk away if that’s where it is headed. 

pensfan83

Acura dealer #1 didn't get serious until after I struck a deal with Acura dealer #2, which was disappointing because I was hoping to buy from dealer #1 based on their stellar reputation. When I walked that's when the SM got involved, undercutting the dealer I bought from by a few hundred dollars and as some of you may recall I hesitated because he sounded genuine in assuming blame for the numbers game and I can be a sucker for the nice guy routine.

I stayed true to the deal agreed upon and the dealer #2 has been great with follow through, offering a second delivery and stocking me with enough service coupons that I doubt I'll ever need to pay for an oil change. They were also the only dealer who didn't proclaim the A-Spec a limited edition model and price/negotiate as such. We exchanged numbers once and we were done. The icing on the cake was when they threw in a $500 TLX lease cash incentive that was pushed to dealers a few days before I picked the car up. They could have easily pocketed that money and I would never have known but they didn't and it was a pleasant surprise to go in the F&I office and see a payment $14 lower than what was expected.

tbirdmarco

 Using this on my phone my cousin help me set it up took my Hemmings password this time so let me know how are you doing looks on the comments posted everyone so no one I’m away from my computer can still comment if I want little more tedious on the phone but it’s cool got to see my aunts new 2017 pilot today nice car just the direct injections loud that’s most cars these days third row seats probably not good for long road trips Alton that nice car love the Apple CarPlay that it has 

Michaell

Just did my first ride share with Lyft to the airport. Clean and comfortable CR-V. Quite convenient too.

While the airport is quite busy, I breezed through check in and security. Now cooling my heels at the airport getting a bite to eat before my flight. Silvercar has been texting me information for my arrival. 

tbirdmarco

 This must be using my old admin‘s account from we back in 2005 or six not sure if it’s linked to my current one this is marco just so you’ll know ha ha I think it has a picture of my car there my cousin said so they’re linked by the way the color of my aunts new pilot looks black to me but it’s a dark red really I guess if the sunlight hits it directly probably I could see the read a little bit but since it was raining today obviously no sun light warm out   

nyccarguy

Michaell

nyccarguy said:

Nice. One of the parents of the family who live across the street from us have a current gen Pilot in the same color. Don’t know the trim level.