Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

ab348

oldfarmer50 said:

Why can’t domestic cars come up with interiors like that?

You mean, like this?

oldfarmer50

tjc78 said:

@oldfarmer50 said:

That looks like the inside of my old Lincoln.

Yeah Ford had that saddle color in the 90s before it was trendy.

The kid’s Fusion is close but not quite as nice as the BMW.

stickguy

Maverick is rocking the brown nicely.

jmonroe1

@oldfarmer50 said:
The kid’s Fusion is close but not quite as nice as the BMW.

That’s because even in Fusions best day it still ain’t no BMW.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50

jmonroe1 said:

@oldfarmer50 said:

The kid’s Fusion is close but not quite as nice as the BMW.

That’s because even in Fusions best day it still ain’t no BMW.

jmonroe

It ain’t twice the price like a BMW either.

venture

My Legacy

mjfloyd1

@roadburner said:

@mjfloyd1 said:
Looks like a DCT transmission.

I can’t tell it it has a moonroof from the pictures

I hope you don’t have to get the “BOY173” license plate.

It’s a Competition Package car, CF roof; it would get my BMW CCA personalized plate.

Does BMW CPO still apply when it is now sold from a Ford dealer? I know some have changed where CPO only follows if it is sold by an individual.

https://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1009050

Sandman6472

I like that Legacy to be honest, and Subaru's in general. I almost bought an Imprezza when they talked about totaling my Golf after it's 2018 accident. Drove one a few times and would've bought it to but the insurance folks changed their minds & fixed the Golf. Our kids in Chicago have an Imprezza and really love it. One day when we get up there, I'll be able to drive it.

jmonroe1

@venture said:
My Legacy

I doubt that Subie is twice the price of a Fusion.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50

venture said:

My Legacy

That’s so much better than standard corporate black.

oldfarmer50

jmonroe1 said:

@venture said:

My Legacy

I doubt that Subie is twice the price of a Fusion.

jmonroe

What’s your point?

jmonroe1

oldfarmer50 said:

jmonroe1 said:

@venture said:

My Legacy

I doubt that Subie is twice the price of a Fusion.

jmonroe

What’s your point?

Your earlier post said:

“It ain’t twice the price like a BMW either.”

From that I inferred that a BMW was twice the price of a Fusion and therefore the BMW would/should have a better looking interior. That’s why I said the Subie didn’t cost twice as much as a Fusion yet the Subie interior looked better than that of a Fusion. Of course looks are subjective but I’m willing to bet 11 people out of 10 would chose the Subie interior over the Fusion.

jmonroe

oldfarmer50

I doubt that Subie is twice the price of a Fusion.

jmonroe

What’s your point?

Your earlier post said:

“It ain’t twice the price like a BMW either.”

From that I inferred that a BMW was twice the price of a Fusion and therefore the BMW would/should have a better looking interior. That’s why I said the Subie didn’t cost twice as much as a Fusion yet the Subie interior looked better than that of a Fusion. Of course looks are subjective but I’m willing to bet 11 people out of 10 would chose the Subie interior over the Fusion.

jmonroe

Well let’s see. According to Autotrader 2020 Subaru Legacy—$25-35k. 2010 Ford Fusion—$8k. So…………

I will concede that the Subie interior looks better.

oldfarmer50

Sandman6472 said:

I like that Legacy to be honest, and Subaru's in general. I almost bought an Imprezza when they talked about totaling my Golf after it's 2018 accident. Drove one a few times and would've bought it to but the insurance folks changed their minds & fixed the Golf. Our kids in Chicago have an Imprezza and really love it. One day when we get up there, I'll be able to drive it.

Insurance companies must love Subarus too. A guy at work has a 2020 which got T-boned by a red light runner. Lots of damage, bent frame etc. but the insurance company insists on fixing it. He plans on selling it as soon as it’s fixed and before the accident hits CarFax.

qbrozen

oldfarmer50 said:

Insurance companies must love Subarus too. A guy at work has a 2020 which got T-boned by a red light runner. Lots of damage, bent frame etc. but the insurance company insists on fixing it. He plans on selling it as soon as it’s fixed and before the accident hits CarFax.

And who does he plan on trying to defraud?

stickguy

Don’t have to admit if they don’t ask. I know Carvana asks!

qbrozen

stickguy said:

Don’t have to admit if they don’t ask. I know Carvana asks!

They all ask from my experience.

In other news, thankfully got outbid on that RVR. I did not realize it is in CA. Thought it was VA.

jmonroe1

oldfarmer50 said:

I doubt that Subie is twice the price of a Fusion.

jmonroe

What’s your point?

Your earlier post said:

“It ain’t twice the price like a BMW either.”

From that I inferred that a BMW was twice the price of a Fusion and therefore the BMW would/should have a better looking interior. That’s why I said the Subie didn’t cost twice as much as a Fusion yet the Subie interior looked better than that of a Fusion. Of course looks are subjective but I’m willing to bet 11 people out of 10 would chose the Subie interior over the Fusion.

jmonroe

Well let’s see. According to Autotrader 2020 Subaru Legacy—$25-35k. 2010 Ford Fusion—$8k. So…………

I will concede that the Subie interior looks better.

I was talking about the cost of a Subie and Fusion in the same model year. Using your logic a Fusion that is 10 years newer than a Subie will be twice the cost of a Subie.

It’s nice to know your eyes ain’t falling you.

jmonroe

andres3

jmonroe1 said:

oldfarmer50 said:

I doubt that Subie is twice the price of a Fusion.

jmonroe

What’s your point?

Your earlier post said:

“It ain’t twice the price like a BMW either.”

From that I inferred that a BMW was twice the price of a Fusion and therefore the BMW would/should have a better looking interior. That’s why I said the Subie didn’t cost twice as much as a Fusion yet the Subie interior looked better than that of a Fusion. Of course looks are subjective but I’m willing to bet 11 people out of 10 would chose the Subie interior over the Fusion.

jmonroe

Well let’s see. According to Autotrader 2020 Subaru Legacy—$25-35k. 2010 Ford Fusion—$8k. So…………

I will concede that the Subie interior looks better.

I was talking about the cost of a Subie and Fusion in the same model year. Using your logic a Fusion that is 10 years newer than a Subie will be twice the cost of a Subie.

It’s nice to know your eyes ain’t falling you.

jmonroe

If you don't like comparing oranges to oranges, you must compare apples to oranges.

andres3

qbrozen said:

oldfarmer50 said:

Insurance companies must love Subarus too. A guy at work has a 2020 which got T-boned by a red light runner. Lots of damage, bent frame etc. but the insurance company insists on fixing it. He plans on selling it as soon as it’s fixed and before the accident hits CarFax.

And who does he plan on trying to defraud?

CarFax for one.

According to the insurance company it'll be "as good as new."

If you "forget" key information is it still fraud?

corvette

The wreck is likely to show up on Carfax before it's out of the body shop.

stickguy

if it doesn't. I can guarantee carvana or carfax will not be pointing it out to buyers they are trying to get money from.

tjc78

Any of the used car dealers will find any major repairs upon inspection.

I had a very minor repair done to my Enclave after my wife scraped a pole and the inspector caught it on lease turn in. No charges to me because it was fixed correctly, but he still noted the repair.

oldfarmer50

tjc78 said:

Any of the used car dealers will find any major repairs upon inspection.

I had a very minor repair done to my Enclave after my wife scraped a pole and the inspector caught it on lease turn in. No charges to me because it was fixed correctly, but he still noted the repair.

That’s what I told him but hey, I’m not his mother.

What’s more likely is that a dealer will murder him on the trade and then try to slide it past the next buyer.

xwesx

Sandman6472 said:

I like that Legacy to be honest, and Subaru's in general. I almost bought an Imprezza when they talked about totaling my Golf after it's 2018 accident. Drove one a few times and would've bought it to but the insurance folks changed their minds & fixed the Golf. Our kids in Chicago have an Imprezza and really love it. One day when we get up there, I'll be able to drive it.

Sandy, you are hereby barred from owning or driving a Subaru until you start spelling "Impreza" correctly.

corvette

xwesx said:

Sandy, you are hereby barred from owning or driving a Subaru until you start spelling "Impreza" correctly.

It's "Impressa," right? Like "impressive?"

corvette

@oldfarmer50 - depends on the dealer. The one lease turn in I had, I didn't watch the inspection, but I'm assuming they used a paint thickness gauge, as they "noted" a repair to the fender and driver's door (which was imperceptible to the naked eye). Carvana does not do any sort of inspection beyond starting the car and driving it around the block. I'm not sure what Carmax does, although I know they do a mechanical inspection.

stickguy

my 2 carvanas they did not drive at all first. Though were both pretty new and low miles so not much risk. at least one had to move to put on the truck but I had the check in hand by then.

henryn

On my 2 sales to Carvana, they did the drive around the block, and that was it. I assume they had already done a Carfax report. They definitely did not check paint thickness or any such close inspection.

tjc78

The lease turn in guy must have used a paint gauge. The Carfax was clean. Repair was a cash deal that didn’t go through insurance.

qbrozen

The pros don’t typically need a paint gauge.

Sandman6472

Never realized I'm spelling it wrong. Nice vehicle either way though.
Drove a brand new Ford Edge and a Toyota Rav4 yesterday and was quite impressed with both actually. Not a Ford guy here by any stretch but liked the Edge and everything about it. A bit too long for my needs but would have no issues having one as my d d. Liked the new dash layout though did take a few moments to figure out the audio/cooling/heating controls as they are all in the tablet sized center stack screen. But a few minutes later, we were up & running, cool and had my presets done on the Sirius/XM stations. Drove nicely on the highway, good looking in the dark gray/gray interior. Like I said, not a Ford guy but this one is definitely one I'd buy if were in the market for this size vehicle.
The Rav4 XLE was the same color combo but had no roof or leather wrapped steering wheel, but since it was a fleet sale, they left certain things out. I'd rather have both those two options if it were mine to be honest. Drove very very nicely though a squoosh too big for me at this point, think the new Corolla Cross will be the perfect size actually. Controls are super easy like my Golf, and had the Sirius/XM presets done quite quickly. liked the way it drove, felt a bit lighter on it's feet than the Ford Edge, something I rather liked. Toyota did a small refresh on the front fascia but hard to notice really. A great package overall and can definitely see why there are so many on the road, it gets the job done effortlessly at an affordable price with decent mileage figures. What more could a consumer like me want?
If you're looking for some exciting driving, well, this isn't the vehicle for you. Point it where you want to go &, it gets you there with no drama. And for 99% of the folks out there, this is all they need but for that 1% who wants more "driving fun" as I call it, both these vehicles are not going to float your boat. But at this point of my life, I want "cheap to keep" and reliability, domething both these vehicles should deliver nicely without breaking the bank.

Sandman6472

Passed my old Toyota store yesterday, and see that they have a bit more inventory sitting out back. Have yet to check online what the specs are of the new Corolla Cross at any of the local Toyota stores, as just not read to trade quite yet. The guy from Delray Toyota hasn't checked back with me in awhile but that's o k to. Would rather wit now till the 2023 models come out anyways so towards years end works for me. But if one turns up in my preferred color/options combo, I'd definitely go check it out as why not get it now if they have this "unicorn" I seem to want. Did see one in red yesterday on I-95 and kind of liked it but not sure after a few years if I'd still feel the same way. I know that Windchill Pearl color will never get old with me and on this vehicle, I'm not going to settle one bit, I want it spec'd out the way I want, definitely no AWD either. Shame I can't order one but guess they don't do that either. But one would think somewhere out there, there is a Windchill Pearl unit with the 2-tone interior with the JBL Package plus a roof. Seems to be a simple enough combination to be honest but again, have no issues waiting. But would rather trade the Golf when it has zero issues going on...like now.
Will do some online searching later as I know Toyota of Hollywood seems to be a pretty large dealer and not super far from us. Pretty sure I can get the 2 years free maintenance at any Toyota store I'd hope. So maybe time to start my search.
Also plan on checking out the Hyundai Kona plus the Kia Seltos and compare them all. Can't go wrong with any of them and also want to check out any hybrids & possibly an EV just to see prices & how they drive. This should be interesting.

ab348

xwesx said:

Sandman6472 said:

I like that Legacy to be honest, and Subaru's in general. I almost bought an Imprezza when they talked about totaling my Golf after it's 2018 accident. Drove one a few times and would've bought it to but the insurance folks changed their minds & fixed the Golf. Our kids in Chicago have an Imprezza and really love it. One day when we get up there, I'll be able to drive it.

Sandy, you are hereby barred from owning or driving a Subaru until you start spelling "Impreza" correctly.

Go easy on Sandy, he was probably confusing it with the "Altezza" clear-lens taillights that were a favorite of many Japanese-car fanboys a while back.

ab348

Sandman6472 said:

Shame I can't order one but guess they don't do that either. But one would think somewhere out there, there is a Windchill Pearl unit with the 2-tone interior with the JBL Package plus a roof.

All you need to do is search for a XLE in that color combo. That's the only way to get the other things you want in a Cross.

stickguy

2 years free maintenance is probably only 2 oil changes. With coupon maybe $100. I’m not driving an inferior car to save that!

henryn

Sandman6472 said:

Drove a brand new Ford Edge and a Toyota Rav4 yesterday
...
If you're looking for some exciting driving, well, this isn't the vehicle for you. Point it where you want to go &, it gets you there with no drama. And for 99% of the folks out there, this is all they need but for that 1% who wants more "driving fun" as I call it, both these vehicles are not going to float your boat.

Back when Toyota offered the V6 in the Rav4, it could definitely qualify for "driving fun". A veritable pocket rocket, as we used to say.

kyfdx

henryn said:

Sandman6472 said:

Drove a brand new Ford Edge and a Toyota Rav4 yesterday
...
If you're looking for some exciting driving, well, this isn't the vehicle for you. Point it where you want to go &, it gets you there with no drama. And for 99% of the folks out there, this is all they need but for that 1% who wants more "driving fun" as I call it, both these vehicles are not going to float your boat.

Back when Toyota offered the V6 in the Rav4, it could definitely qualify for "driving fun". A veritable pocket rocket, as we used to say.

We looked at one in 2011, when my wife's lease was up.
Limited MSRP was about $32,500.

It was very quick. But, it was still Corolla level materials. Yes, it has sort of leather interior, but the headliner was just fuzzy cardboard. She said: I like the way it drives. Let's find something else.
(of course, she is a luxury car snob)

qbrozen

This is completely and utterly baffling.

Michaell

qbrozen said:

This is completely and utterly baffling.

Yes, it is.

henryn

kyfdx said:

henryn said:

Sandman6472 said:

Drove a brand new Ford Edge and a Toyota Rav4 yesterday
...
If you're looking for some exciting driving, well, this isn't the vehicle for you. Point it where you want to go &, it gets you there with no drama. And for 99% of the folks out there, this is all they need but for that 1% who wants more "driving fun" as I call it, both these vehicles are not going to float your boat.

Back when Toyota offered the V6 in the Rav4, it could definitely qualify for "driving fun". A veritable pocket rocket, as we used to say.

We looked at one in 2011, when my wife's lease was up.
Limited MSRP was about $32,500.

It was very quick. But, it was still Corolla level materials. Yes, it has sort of leather interior, but the headliner was just fuzzy cardboard. She said: I like the way it drives. Let's find something else.
(of course, she is a luxury car snob)

I always liked the CR-V more than the Rav4, but Honda never offered a real engine in the CR-V. I understand the turbo 1.5L is a little better these days, but still not what you would call "fun".

I spent some time driving a Rav4 with the V6 back around 2011 or 2012. It was a blast, but a little on the dangerous side. The acceleration (and torque steer) were exhilarating, but the handling was non existent, making it very easy to get in over your head.

tjc78

@henryn said:
Back when Toyota offered the V6 in the Rav4, it could definitely qualify for "driving fun". A veritable pocket rocket, as we used to say.

RAV4 and fun don’t belong in the same sentence…. However, yes the 2GR was a lot of motor for a RAV.

explorerx4

Red GTI. TMU? Wow!

Michaell

The parents of my best friend in CA have one of those V6 RAV4's. I had a chance to take a ride in it on one of my recent trips.

Yes, the interior is plasticky, as befits a Toyota, but that engine is a monster in such a small package. My friend drives it regularly, as his folks are getting up there in years and, I think, don't drive anymore.

au1994

The GTI is asinine. Not a great CarFax, TMU and an engine rebuild all for $40k? Where do I sign up??!?!!!?

au1994

When I was selling the Land Cruiser the KBB dealer, CarMax and the local Toyota dealer all had me bring it in for an inspection and took it on a spin around the parking lot. I assume that was due to its age and miles, 08 ~150k.

Either Vroom or Carvana wouldn’t even quote it. Can’t remember which, may have even been both.

When I sold the Crosstrek to Vroom the pick up driver barely looked at it before he was putting it on his trailer.

explorerx4

When I sold my MKZ to Carvana, they did a walkaround, sat in it, then drove it away.

Michaell

Member needs help - new or used?

kyfdx

au1994 said:

The GTI is asinine. Not a great CarFax, TMU and an engine rebuild all for $40k? Where do I sign up??!?!!!?

And, it's a Canadian model..

ab348

I have a feeling this is going to bring good money by the time the auction ends in 12 days:

https://www.hemmings.com/auction/1996-buick-roadmaster-330612