Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

stickguy

qbrozen said:

@ab348 said:

The guy who purchased this car makes our friends @breld and @qbrozen look like pikers:

Just a cool 3 million Euros for the car, and an extra 300K Euros for the exterior treatment.

Pbbbbttt. Why spend $3.3M on that instead of a whole fleet of really great cars and still have a couple mill in the bank?

Because he probably has the Bugatti, a fleet of other cars, and the money too.

stickguy

qbrozen said:

I have been addicted to bidding on JDM cars sight unseen for a couple of days now. I may get in trouble.

Only if you win and have to explain it to the wife. Just keep telling her it’s going to be a big profit maker, and never show her the books on that deal.

greg128

Tesla delivered 310,000 vehicles in the first quarter of 2022. Only Toyota, GM, Ford and FCA sold more and after some research it seems the Model 3 outsold the Toyota Camry 2 to 1. On goodcarbadcar.com for Q1 2022 I found a figure of 61,000 for the Camry and 132,000 for the Tesla 3. I found that astounding.

In the first 3 months of 2022 Tesla outsold Hyundai by 3,000 vehicles, Honda by about 45,000, and Nissan by, 73,000. In Q1 of 2021 Tesla only delivered 66,000, Less than Mazda with around 80,000.

https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2022-us-auto-sales-figures-by-manufacturer/

explorerx4

RAV4 has been Toyota's best selling vehicle for a while. Sedans are out of favor. Combining Model 3 and Y and comparing to combined Camry and RAV4 would be a clearer picture. Most manufacturer's sales have been hobbled by supply issues.

greg128

Sales figures for every model sold in the US for Q1 2022. Scroll down about half way to get Q1:

https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2022-us-vehicle-sales-figures-by-model/

tjc78

@explorerx4 said:
RAV4 has been Toyota's best selling vehicle for a while. Sedans are out of favor. Combining Model 3 and Y and comparing to combined Camry and RAV4 would be a clearer picture. Most manufacturer's sales have been hobbled by supply issues.

I do think the supply issues have something to do with it. I’m sure the Camry was getting dumped into fleets when in good supply.

As for the RAV yeah, that’s pretty much the new Camry now. They are just everywhere.

explorerx4

I never see any new Camry's on the Toyota dealer lot I drive by every week.
Overall, I still do see plenty of the latest generation.

andres3

jmonroe1 said:

@andres3 said:

I need to get my wife to join me at an HPDE Weekend.....

She can track the S4 while I track the TTS. The S4 at her "beginner" student pace will be fine as-is; maybe get some decent brake pads at most.

So far I've been unsuccessful, but that was when I was saying we could both beat the A3 in back to back sessions (or she could have tracked the All Track when we had it).

She doesn't seem at all interested, but I'd like her to "advance" her driving skill. Everyone should do a HPDE weekend at least once each decade.

Maybe so but somehow I’ve survived 6 decades without doing that.

Not bragging or complaining, just stating the facts.

jmonroe

All of us over 40 have probably survived without a special car seat as well when we were babies/toddlers or little kids once upon a time.

You also survived no crumple zones, no air bags, no ABS, and no ESC/ESP/ECT/TCP LOL.

I've never run anyone over while backing up without a back up camera.

Lastly, I've also never won the lottery, but some people have. Now that last one, I am complaining. It would be nice to win the lottery.

andres3

So who here reaches for their wallet when a car advertisement says "EPC light on and salvage title" everything else is perfect!

qbrozen

@andres3 said:
So who here reaches for their wallet when a car advertisement says "EPC light on and salvage title" everything else is perfect!

If a car I really want and for 1/3rd retail? I may. Lol

fintail

I thought Camry was almost fleet-only in this day and age.

I know Teslas are selling like proverbial hotcakes, but I'd still like to see auditing any data coming from that org, the overgrown 14 year old contrarian edgelord likes to play loose with facts.

greg128 said:

Tesla delivered 310,000 vehicles in the first quarter of 2022. Only Toyota, GM, Ford and FCA sold more and after some research it seems the Model 3 outsold the Toyota Camry 2 to 1. On goodcarbadcar.com for Q1 2022 I found a figure of 61,000 for the Camry and 132,000 for the Tesla 3. I found that astounding.

In the first 3 months of 2022 Tesla outsold Hyundai by 3,000 vehicles, Honda by about 45,000, and Nissan by, 73,000. In Q1 of 2021 Tesla only delivered 66,000, Less than Mazda with around 80,000.

https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2022-us-auto-sales-figures-by-manufacturer/

oldfarmer50

andres3 said:

So who here reaches for their wallet when a car advertisement says "EPC light on and salvage title" everything else is perfect!

What’s an EPC light?

qbrozen

@oldfarmer50 said:
What’s an EPC light?

Electric pancake cooker. You don’t have one?

roadburner

mjfloyd1 said:

Did @roadburner buy the 2019 M4 Competition? I see that it is gone and a 2015 M235 is listed as just arrived…

Nope, but I'm encouraged by what they are asking for the 2er; I hope I can get at least $20k for mine.

Michaell

Member needs advice on a sporty SUV

Michaell

Another day, another long text conversation with my sister.

CarMax came through with a much better offer on the Q50 - $27,700, which gives them a bit over $3000 equity. The quote is good through the 20th, and I think they are going to pull the trigger. They can afford to be down a car because ....

... my oldest nephew is traveling to Japan on the 20th for a year-long stint as an English teacher, and will be leaving his 2015 Jetta behind. My BIL will drive that while they work on getting a replacement.

Turns out a PHEV is a bit out of their budget, so they are now looking at straight hybrids. The Venza is at the top of the list for my sister (though my BIL isn't thrilled with it), and she knows the executive assistant to the owner of a local Lexus / Toyota dealer.

We will see where this goes, but we test drove the Venza last summer and I found it to be a pretty neat vehicle.

stickguy

if it is big enough for them, hard to go wrong with one of those.

corvette

I tried to get the rental Edge to download a software update via the MyFordPass app. It just sat there saying it was checking for updates, the several times that I tried it. I then connected it to Wi-Fi with my phone set up as a hotspot, and it confirmed it had the latest software. No clue whether that was true at the outset, or whether it downloaded something and didn’t make it obvious that it did so.

It’s been an enjoyable companion. My only gripes are the wide door sills that rub against my leg when I’m exiting the car, and the abysmal rear visibility. Not only do you need the backup camera, you will be relying solely upon it when backing up.

I’m trying to figure out how similar its CD4 platform is to the C2 platform of the Maverick I ordered.

Michaell

stickguy said:

if it is big enough for them, hard to go wrong with one of those.

Well, the boys are currently 24, 21, and 18.

As noted, the 24 year old is heading to Japan for a year, then will be heading up to the @fintail neck of the woods for his PhD at Eastern Washington University.

The 21 year old has the late 90's 4Runner (2WD, 160K on the clock) and is waiting for some things to fall into place to become a federal fire fighter.

The 18 year old has a mid '00's Mazda 3 and is graduating HS in June. Not sure what his plans are, after.

So, I suspect the Venza will be a decent sized vehicle for my sister and her husband. Plus they still have my mom's '03 Sonata V6 as their second vehicle.

qbrozen

@Michaell said:

... my oldest nephew is traveling to Japan on the 20th for a year-long stint as an English teacher, and will be leaving his 2015 Jetta behind.

One of my college roommates did that. Came back with a wife. They’ve been married about 20 years now.

qbrozen

So, yeah, we’re gonna need a bigger driveway. Haha. One of my bids was successful last night. I will supposedly be the proud new owner of a 1992 Nissan Gloria with 18k(!) original miles and the VG30E powerplant. High condition rating (for what it is, I have seen nothing rated higher yet).

It is costing more than the car itself just to get it here, but that was a known before bidding. It actually hammered well below my max. Very surprising given the condition. There was one the other night with the turbo 3 liter and triple the mileage that went for 5x what I paid for this one and double my max. Pretty sure I got a bargain, but we’ll see. If not, it isn’t much money to risk.

And don’t go asking me what I’m going to do with it. I have no idea. This is mostly an experiment. If it pans out, maybe this will be my new business. LOL. But I think this is a pretty cool car, personally. Akin to a far more reliable 530i.

benjaminh

Interesting graphics and chart about the biggest vehicle factories in North America.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022-tesla-factory-california-texas-car-production/

pensfan83

kyfdx

@henryn
Carvana and Carmax are both publicly traded companies, so they have access to both debt and stock markets. They can survive just about any issues.

Also, Carmax owns Edmunds.

ab348

qbrozen said:

So, yeah, we’re gonna need a bigger driveway. Haha. One of my bids was successful last night. I will supposedly be the proud new owner of a 1992 Nissan Gloria with 18k(!) original miles and the VG30E powerplant. High condition rating (for what it is, I have seen nothing rated higher yet).

Congrats! Driving on the wrong side of the road may be challenging for a while but I'm sure you will figure it out.

tjc78

@qbrozen said:
So, yeah, we’re gonna need a bigger driveway. Haha. One of my bids was successful last night. I will supposedly be the proud new owner of a 1992 Nissan Gloria with 18k(!) original miles and the VG30E powerplant. High condition rating (for what it is, I have seen nothing rated higher yet).

It is costing more than the car itself just to get it here, but that was a known before bidding. It actually hammered well below my max. Very surprising given the condition. There was one the other night with the turbo 3 liter and triple the mileage that went for 5x what I paid for this one and double my max. Pretty sure I got a bargain, but we’ll see. If not, it isn’t much money to risk.

And don’t go asking me what I’m going to do with it. I have no idea. This is mostly an experiment. If it pans out, maybe this will be my new business. LOL. But I think this is a pretty cool car, personally. Akin to a far more reliable 530i.

Very cool! Same platform as a Q45 I assume or is it smaller?

qbrozen

tjc78 said:

Very cool! Same platform as a Q45 I assume or is it smaller?

Good question. Following the crumbs, I think it is a cut down version. It does share the platform with the Cima (and Skyline, BTW), which is the Q45 predecessor, but the Cima weighs 3600, while the Gloria is 3000. I guess this is more like a G35 predecessor.

qbrozen

Here are a couple of the high-quality auction pics. haha.

qbrozen

pensfan83 said:

hey, I didn't give permission to steal my engine pic. hahha.

benjaminh

In a press release a few months ago, GM said that "By the end of 2025, GM to have more than 1 million units of electric vehicle capacity in North America," adding that "GM's drive to become the EV market leader in North America by 2025" was on track. But Tesla is probably going to make 1 million EVs in the US this year, in 2022. By 2025 Tesla will probably be making about 2 million EVs in the US. And so the idea that GM is going to be the market leader in EVs in 2025 seems way off. But maybe in 2025 GM will be 2nd in EV production? But Ford has also claimed it will be 2nd in EV production in the next few years, behind Tesla, with production of something like 1 million Ford EVs in North America in 2025.

Anyway, it's clear that by 2025 there will be a flood of EVs for sale in North America.

And really the flood from Tesla will begin in just a few months, as the Austin factory starts slowly ramping up production.

https://media.gm.com/media/us/en/gm/home.detail.html/content/Pages/news/us/en/2022/jan/0125-michigan-investment.html

https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2021/09/27/ford-to-lead-americas-shift-to-electric-vehicles.html

ab348

All that Tesla growth is dependent upon Elon not blowing himself up in a rocket, ODing on something, losing his mind, or any number of other possible risks. As a company, Tesla strikes me as very much an operation that would have troubles if the founder ever went away.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/markets/052316/tesla-stock-capital-structure-analysis-tsla.asp

pensfan83

@qbrozen said:
I have been addicted to bidding on JDM cars sight unseen for a couple of days now. I may get in trouble.
@qbrozen said:
hey, I didn't give permission to steal my engine pic. hahha.

Sorry, I'll check with ya first next time

fintail

Funny thing, the infantile edgelord didn't found it, he bought into it, because of course.

ab348 said:

All that Tesla growth is dependent upon Elon not blowing himself up in a rocket, ODing on something, losing his mind, or any number of other possible risks. As a company, Tesla strikes me as very much an operation that would have troubles if the founder ever went away.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/markets/052316/tesla-stock-capital-structure-analysis-tsla.asp

oldfarmer50

qbrozen said:

@oldfarmer50 said:

What’s an EPC light?

Electric pancake cooker. You don’t have one?

Nah, I flip my own….like a man.

oldfarmer50

qbrozen said:

So, yeah, we’re gonna need a bigger driveway. Haha. One of my bids was successful last night. I will supposedly be the proud new owner of a 1992 Nissan Gloria with 18k(!) original miles and the VG30E powerplant. High condition rating (for what it is, I have seen nothing rated higher yet).

It is costing more than the car itself just to get it here, but that was a known before bidding. It actually hammered well below my max. Very surprising given the condition. There was one the other night with the turbo 3 liter and triple the mileage that went for 5x what I paid for this one and double my max. Pretty sure I got a bargain, but we’ll see. If not, it isn’t much money to risk.

And don’t go asking me what I’m going to do with it. I have no idea. This is mostly an experiment. If it pans out, maybe this will be my new business. LOL. But I think this is a pretty cool car, personally. Akin to a far more reliable 530i.

That sounds like a Hoovie transaction. I hope your leap of faith goes better than some of his.

tifighter

fintail said:

Funny thing, the infantile edgelord didn't found it, he bought into it, because of course.

ab348 said:

All that Tesla growth is dependent upon Elon not blowing himself up in a rocket, ODing on something, losing his mind, or any number of other possible risks. As a company, Tesla strikes me as very much an operation that would have troubles if the founder ever went away.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/markets/052316/tesla-stock-capital-structure-analysis-tsla.asp

Yeah, he bought a company making hand built electric conversions based on a Lotus Elise. Which itself was based on a concept from AC Propulsion. That had warranty issues. But yeah, I'm sure Eberhard had the S and 3 fully developed on a napkin somewhere. Or so he'd claim now.

fintail

So warranty issues (assumed build quality) are a heritage thing now?

Just saying Elon didn't found or personally develop this stuff, he bought in and brought in talent who could. A lot of conventional wisdom out there seems to treat him like the actual Nikola Tesla.

tifighter said:

fintail said:

Funny thing, the infantile edgelord didn't found it, he bought into it, because of course.

ab348 said:

All that Tesla growth is dependent upon Elon not blowing himself up in a rocket, ODing on something, losing his mind, or any number of other possible risks. As a company, Tesla strikes me as very much an operation that would have troubles if the founder ever went away.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/markets/052316/tesla-stock-capital-structure-analysis-tsla.asp

Yeah, he bought a company making hand built electric conversions based on a Lotus Elise. Which itself was based on a concept from AC Propulsion. That had warranty issues. But yeah, I'm sure Eberhard had the S and 3 fully developed on a napkin somewhere. Or so he'd claim now.

greg128

the overgrown 14 year old contrarian edgelord likes to play loose with facts.

who also is the wealthiest man on the planet. I never cared for him in the past but I am starting to like him.

jmonroe1

@greg128 said:
the overgrown 14 year old contrarian edgelord likes to play loose with facts.

who also is the wealthiest man on the planet. I never cared for him in the past but I am starting to like him.

How many Tesla’s did he give you for saying that?

jmonroe

ab348

The POTUS should propose a special Elon wealth tax surcharge, just for being Elon.

pensfan83

ab348 said:

The POTUS should propose a special Elon wealth tax surcharge, just for being Elon.

He'll be happy just have his name mentioned by POTUS.

oldfarmer50

ab348 said:

The POTUS should propose a special Elon wealth tax surcharge, just for being Elon.

There’s a Senator from Massachusetts who tried that and got royalty owned by Musk.

Michaell

ab348 said:

The POTUS should propose a special Elon wealth tax surcharge, just for being Elon.

Kind of like the new MLB CBA that has a "Cohen threshold" for the luxury tax?

greg128

jmonroe1 said:

@greg128 said:

the overgrown 14 year old contrarian edgelord likes to play loose with facts.

who also is the wealthiest man on the planet. I never cared for him in the past but I am starting to like him.

How many Tesla’s did he give you for saying that?

jmonroe

I'd be happy with just one

ab348

oldfarmer50 said:

ab348 said:

The POTUS should propose a special Elon wealth tax surcharge, just for being Elon.

There’s a Senator from Massachusetts who tried that and got royalty owned by Musk.

Pretty close, I guess, though the Cohen tax isn't really a tax but a surcharge imposed by MLB, so Uncle Steve gets to reduce his Mets profit by that amount and actually pay less corporate tax to the govt.

fintail

Unfortunately, wealth accumulation doesn't make one a great or even tolerable person, he's a case study in that.

greg128 said:

the overgrown 14 year old contrarian edgelord likes to play loose with facts.

who also is the wealthiest man on the planet. I never cared for him in the past but I am starting to like him.

Michaell

fintail said:

Unfortunately, wealth accumulation doesn't make one a great or even tolerable person, he's a case study in that.

greg128 said:

the overgrown 14 year old contrarian edgelord likes to play loose with facts.

who also is the wealthiest man on the planet. I never cared for him in the past but I am starting to like him.

This whole back and forth with Twitter has been most entertaining:

EM - "Imma gonna buy me some Twitter stock so I can shape the product to my whims."

Twitter Board of Directors - "Great, Elon. Would you like to join the board and be an insider?"

EM - "Sure, why not?"

T-BOD - "Great, here's a document stating you can't buy more than xx% of stock, and henceforth you have to say and do things to the benefit of the company."

EM - "..."

EM - "Er, I'll pass, thanks."

It's like reverse psychology activist investing. Most activists want a seat on the board.

corvette

Ammunition for future PR stunts if and when he decides to make their lives difficult… “we offered him a seat on the board and everything!”

ab348

Didn't take long - he has just announced a hostile takeover of Twitter. He's not just a loose cannon, he's a loose nuclear missile.

https://www.autonews.com/executives/tesla-ceo-elon-musk-launches-43-billion-hostile-takeover-twitter?utm_source=breaking-news&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20220414&utm_content=hero-readmore

qbrozen

I assume he played alone most of the time in the sandbox as a child.