@roadburner said:
A 428i would be a perfectly fine car for my wife, but it doesn't do all that much for me- my own turbo I4 may not be as sophisticated or gadget laden as the 4er, but it is infinitely more entertaining...
Yeah, but you've modded your Mazda to within an inch of its life. You can do the same to the BMW, I suspect....
Hey, I got a story for Farmer. That Driver will probably like.
over the 4th, I was up in NY and chatting with my wife's cousin in law. I think she is around 65ish. A retired teacher, that lives up in the Adirondacks, and has a winter place somewhere in Fla.
anyway, she had a fairly new car (Lincoln sedan, an MKZ?) that I had not seen before. got chatting, and she said that it replaced her former Grand Marquis, which she apparently loved (room, that V8 scoot coming out of a toll booth). But, it was aging, and not suited for the long trip.
point of this ramble? Well, she started looking, and found a like new GM down in Fla. not sure what year, but with about 40K on it (max), like brand new, for $3,500. So she snapped it up, and is keeping it in Fla for when people fly down to visit.
does it have the carriage roof and gold emblems and wheel arch protectors? That's the pimped out version my father-in-law drives. We, coincidentally, call the extras "the Florida package."
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Okay, add this to your wish list. This company got a mention in a "hidden rooms" story in the Wall St. Journal today. It's an underground garage that you can stick in your front yard or wherever - more room to put that 3rd (or 4th) car in your stable. Swiss company, prices starts around $51,000 USD. Tunnel to your house optional.
It's interesting, but I'm sure it costs many times more than building a traditional garage. Also, I live in an area with a lot of limestone, and most of the houses in my subdivision can't have basements. Those that do have partially sunk, walk-out basements. So, it wouldn't work here.
My mom had not one, but two GM's, blue 1/2 roof over white from maybe 1995 till she passed in 2005 and she fit in well in her golfing community outside Ft. Lauderdale. Growing up, we always had Caddy's or Lincoln's as her d d and after they went to one vehicle, Pontiac Bonneville's and Parisianne's fit the bill until she ended up with GM's. They/she loved big vehicles and even when us kids all went the Japanese route, they stayed in the American fold but being her dad had once owned a Dodge store, I understood their love for the American automobile.
At work, have been driving many Chevy Captiva's lately and really like them but we can only buy them used in the U S because they are sold only to rental companies and my bud had to get one used after it went to CarMax. Nice drivers and very similar driving position to my Tuscon. Got to drive an Enclave this morning and was really smitten with it but underwhelmed by the Armada I swapped it for. The new Accord's and Altima's drive so smoothly, I forget they have CVT trannies in them... a lot of value for the price there. Have lost count with the numbers and makes of what I've driven over the last year at work but during my shift, figure I drive maybe 12 to 16 vehicles each time, moving them to whatever location needs them. We very rarely can have the exact model a customer requests but we try to as much as we can...as long as it's in the same class, most don't seem to mind but there are those p i t a customers that cause a fuss if they don't get the exact model. Makes for an interesting and entertaining day sometimes! Love the gig and definitely glad I gave up the long distance trips as my spinal issues have been kept more in check because of it.
The Sandman
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2025 VW GTI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
Had to swap out a vehicle today at a Hertz location next to a Mitsubishi store and had some time waiting, so went over and looked at the Outlander SE again and even though I really like them, hell, I almost bought one last December and would be driving one right now had the g m of the store not insisting I take it home that minute instead of the next day. Hated the 18" sneakers but was happy with everything else especially the Rockford Fosgate(?) audio option. Same warranty as the Hyundai I ended up with which surprised me. Don't see that many down here and was very surprised that we didn't do the deal since it was an all cash one. Never can understand some folks and their reasoning but overall, happy with what I ended up with and no complaints here!
The Sandman
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2025 VW GTI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
On my drive home I went the back way, which allowed me to take a couple of corners at a somewhat rapid clip. Steering feel was MIA, even though "Sport+ " mode was engaged.
The brakes felt numb as well- and more than once the rate of deceleration actually increased while I was keeping a steady pressure on the pedal. Perhaps some weird artifact caused by the regenerative braking feature?
The engine start/stop seemed a lot smoother than on some Bimmers I've driven. Or maybe I've just learned to drive around it.
The 4er averaged 27.5 mpg while I had it. Great economy considering the weight and available power.
I do like the interior, although I did not care for the non-sport seats. No more supportive than the ones in my 1999 Wrangler.
H-K audio was a nice upgrade. If I buy a new BMW that will be a mandatory option.
When I got back behind the wheel of my wife's 328i, the difference in both steering effort and feel was immediately apparent; it felt almost like an M3 compared to the 4er. And while the I6 is down on power to the turbo four, it feels and sounds so much nicer...
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
test drive strike out x2. I had to run an errand after work today and stopped by a Subaru dealer to try out a new Legacy. "Sorry, we don't have any. The last 2014 just got unloaded off of the truck is a base 2.5i with CVT and alloy wheel pkg. Not prepped yet. Come back next week. I see you are driving a Bimmer, I think you'll like the 2015 Legacy."
2nd dealer was closed by the time I got there.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
On my drive home I went the back way, which allowed me to take a couple of corners at a somewhat rapid clip. Steering feel was MIA, even though "Sport+ " mode was engaged.
The brakes felt numb as well- and more than once the rate of deceleration actually increased while I was keeping a steady pressure on the pedal. Perhaps some weird artifact caused by the regenerative braking feature?
The engine start/stop seemed a lot smoother than on some Bimmers I've driven. Or maybe I've just learned to drive around it.
The 4er averaged 27.5 mpg while I had it. Great economy considering the weight and available power.
I do like the interior, although I did not care for the non-sport seats. No more supportive than the ones in my 1999 Wrangler.
H-K audio was a nice upgrade. If I buy a new BMW that will be a mandatory option.
When I got back behind the wheel of my wife's 328i, the difference in both steering effort and feel was immediately apparent; it felt almost like an M3 compared to the 4er. And while the I6 is down on power to the turbo four, it feels and sounds so much nicer...
Nice write up! Agree with everthing but the brakes. Mine seem fine in the F30. Drove the E46 to work today and the difference in steering feel and feedback (or lack thereof) is just shocking. BMW has got to find a way to fix that.
Re: non-sport seats...I had a nearly new Corolla rental about a month ago and those seats were better!
2024 Jeep Grand Cherokee L Limited Velvet Red over Wicker Beige
2024 Audi Q5 Premium Plus Daytona Gray over Beige
2017 BMW X1 Jet Black over Mocha
I sold the 2008 Passat last night, guy showed up with 80 one hundred dollar bills. I should have went with my first instinct, and buried the money in a coffee can in the back yard.
When I walked in the credit union this morning to deposit the money, they made me fill out and sign a form, and then they took a photocopy of my driver's license. Now I'm wondering who'll show up on my doorstep first, the DEA or the Anti Terrorism Task Force. I'm hoping for the DEA, now that they're shutting down Guantanamo the ATTF would probably have to ship me to one of the Black Ops sites in Romania or Poland or ...
That's funny, I also thought the requirement was for transactions of $10,000 or more. I don't know why they would do that unless you have had other recent transactions.
They run all sorts of programs to catch multiple deposits that are just below the threshold.. But, I'm surprised that you had to fill out a form for $8K, if you are an account holder. I mean, aren't you basically filling out a form when you deposit that amount?
I'll be withdrawing $8200 at my bank, tomorrow... to complete a car sale. I don't expect to have to fill out a form (other than the check), but I'll report back, if I do.
@au1994 said:
Nice write up! Agree with everything but the brakes. Mine seem fine in the F30. Drove the E46 to work today and the difference in steering feel and feedback (or lack thereof) is just shocking. BMW has got to find a way to fix that.
Thanks! As for the brakes, the 428i was the first F3x I've driven that acted that way; maybe just a problem in that car, but it was definitely noticeable.
I'm hoping to drive an M235i to see if Munich has found a way to fix the steering feedback. If not, I'm going to be giving a lot of thought to that 135i M Sport that I mentioned...
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Hey NYC, I saw a 2015 Legacy today. out on the lot (just off the truck yesterday) and conveniently, right next to their last 2014. Very, very nice. Not hugely different exterior style, but a nice tasteful upgrade. interior was a big improvement, particularly the center stack and infotainment stuff. MPG also up noticeably.
Very roomy, comfy seats. Good visibility and a huge trunk (there is something to be said for boxy styling). I did not take the time to drive it though (I was next door getting my Volvo serviced, so I wandered over).
Pricing does not seem bad. the 2 they had were both 4 cyl premium, 1 with a moonroof. I think both had cloth seats, and MSRP was 25-26K for the 2. Standard equipment load (other than leather, which I am not a big fan of) seemed generous.
Get out there and find one to drive, and report back please.
speaking of cars, I am getting antsy to start wheeling and dealing the hi mileage part of the fleet. had the S40 in today for the annual oil change, see what the dealer can find wrong visit. This year, they decided that the front end needs attention (2 struts leaking, and control arm bushings cracking). Would actually not surprise me, since it does ride like a buckboard over our bombed out roads. Plus, my daughter (she drives it) seems to hit every pothole, and I did have to replace a bent wheel not long ago.
so, will take it to the tire store I use tomorrow for a 2nd opinion. I suspect it will fall into the "yeah, they are getting old, and should get replaced eventually, but not a crisis and not dangerous" category. but we shall see.
one problem is I need to fix, or get in writing that everything is fine, so I can feel honest when I go to sell it! And since I want to do that around labor day, into the shop it goes.
Most likely step 1 is selling the Volvo, and just having 2 cars (keeping the TL). Not sure when the budget will support replacing that too.
and at this point, I have gotten used to a newer, nice car. Dealing with old car foibles and worries can get tiring. The Siren's call of the cheap lease...
I'll try and take one out for a spin sometime next week. Thanks for your detailed "2015 Legacy Preview." Of course I'll report back my findings.
The Premium is the model I'd most likely be going for. It seems like it has everything I need and nothing I don't. Also, the residual is higher than the fancier Limited model.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
@Stickguy - The 2015 looks better than the 2014 for sure, which was a rather frumpy-looking ride. I want to like Subarus, but their design has not impressed me much. And I hear the stories about early piston slap and head gasket problems with the boxer engines. An older Forester drove by my slowly here this week when I was working in the garden and it sounded like a sewing machine. I couldn't live with that, but I would guess they must be better now, or otherwise people wouldn't be buying so many of them.
the sound is part of their charm, but yes, Subies have always tended to be a bit of a cult thing. Still, the new ones are much improved dynamically over the old ones. Much quieter and smoother.
the head gasket issue was resolved a few years back when they redesigned the engine to relocate the cooling passages.
Looks like you get a nice load of cool "car geek" stuff standard even on the 2.5i: backup camera, all wheel drive, torque vectoring, brake assist, brake over ride, paddle shifters...
Stepping up to the Premium gives you power seats, heated seats, dual climate control, body color side mirrors, plus then you can add an optional sunroof & eyesight if you wish.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
Some things never change...
I clicked the "True Price" button on the ad for the Mustang GT. According to the dealer's web site, True Price:
" ...eliminates the time-consuming negotiation process and delivers you[sic] an easy car buying experience!"
To date I have received three emails from the dealer.
Care to guess if any of them contained a "True" -or any other- kind of price?
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Looks like you get a nice load of cool "car geek" stuff standard even on the 2.5i: backup camera, all wheel drive, torque vectoring, brake assist, brake over ride, paddle shifters...
Stepping up to the Premium gives you power seats, heated seats, dual climate control, body color side mirrors, plus then you can add an optional sunroof & eyesight if you wish.
Just read the review. impressive, and sounded perfect for me. especially because I appreciate the firmer ride! Even better, 36 highway MPG, and an 18.5 gallon tank! Talk about serious, bladder busting range.
priced one out. a premium, with moonroof + nav (and the fancy stereo stuff), and a few options like mats, trunk tray, etc. stickers at $26,129. Invoice is $24,480. Quire competitive for what you get.
helps that I can get insider VIP pricing (being friends with an actual SOA big shot executive) so I think I automatically get 2% below invoice, so just about 24K, without a doc fee. less any incentives.
frankly, would rather spend a little extra on something like this with the features I want, in a car I like, than getting a lower level Altima or Camry to save a few $.
Absolutely. I might go for the moonroof, but skip the NAV. I'm sure invoice pricing will be more of a reality after 2 months or so. Lots of competition around here. If I buy in NY, no doc fee (well, $75 but nothing like here in CT or NJ).
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
I normally skip the nav, but my daughter really wants it, and if she is going to share the car and potentially be driving to college at some point, better to have it built in. She definitely got her sense of direction from her mother, not me (and no, that is not a good thing!).
there is also some extra goodies with the XM and upgraded stereo/display (touch screen) and a few other things, and it is only about $500 on top of the roof.
the real question would be if it is worth going another $1,200 for eyesite/BLIS/rear cross path monitoring.
I have a customer that has a forester with eyesight who swears by it. The car stopped itself when someone erratically cut in front of him across 3 lanes of traffic to exit the highway.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
My next new round of vehicles . All these new safety features are a must. Forward crash warning system, front, side and back laser guided braking systems, lane watch etc.. Features like these will save yours and your family's life in the event.. You see how these animals drive here in NY.
WORTH............. every Penney in my eyes. My vehicles have some of the new safety tech. but not the cross traffic and braking systems.
@stickguy said:
I normally skip the nav, but my daughter really wants it, and if she is going to share the car and potentially be driving to college at some point, better to have it built in. She definitely got her sense of direction from her mother, not me (and no, that is not a good thing!).
there is also some extra goodies with the XM and upgraded stereo/display (touch screen) and a few other things, and it is only about $500 on top of the roof.
the real question would be if it is worth going another $1,200 for eyesite/BLIS/rear cross path monitoring.
Best 1200 dollars you could spend on your family. A excellent safety feature. my friend has it in his car. like NYC posted it works and will save your life.
Forgive me if I've asked this before and it has been answered:
I'm thinking the Prelude most likely needs new shocks since I'm still on the originals 12 years & almost 153,000 miles later. Tire rack has a nice set of H & R Sport Springs for $210 & Bilstein Shocks ($135 each for "Sport" or $82 & $88 for "Touring"). What say you oh wise ones?
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
Huge difference between a land cruiser or performance car compared to most econo cars, though. Plus, manufacturers look for a balance between comfort and handling, not to mention cutting costs wherever they can.
That person's argument that they are somehow customized is BS. Just like the aftermarket makers, manufacturers use suspension components off the shelf that are for several vehicles. Only when you are dealing with more expensive vehicles might you find a more customized setup. But that is far from the case for, let's say, your minivan or Kia rio.
All that said, I'm not so sure I'd mess with a prelude. Those were supposedly very highly developed, yes?
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
I dunno - Idahodoug is still around elsewhere on the net and seems pretty knowledgeable (and worked in the biz). He did get some OME shocks himself so he's not OEM all the time for every purpose. And how could you not trust a guy from Idaho?
The OEM Prelude shocks seemed to do okay for 153,000 miles eh?
Oh, it's also like installing a fancy air filter, performance chip or something - all the "improvement" is seat of the pants and you want to justify your purchase decision. After that many miles, any shock is likely to make the car feel like a new one.
@nyccarguy said:
Forgive me if I've asked this before and it has been answered:
I'm thinking the Prelude most likely needs new shocks since I'm still on the originals 12 years & almost 153,000 miles later. Tire rack has a nice set of H & R Sport Springs for $210 & Bilstein Shocks ($135 each for "Sport" or $82 & $88 for "Touring"). What say you oh wise ones?
Check prices on shockwarehouse.com. Includes shipping. I bought 2 sets from them and saved a few dollars.
@nyccarguy said:
Forgive me if I've asked this before and it has been answered:
I'm thinking the Prelude most likely needs new shocks since I'm still on the originals 12 years & almost 153,000 miles later. Tire rack has a nice set of H & R Sport Springs for $210 & Bilstein Shocks ($135 each for "Sport" or $82 & $88 for "Touring"). What say you oh wise ones?
I would stick with stock springs and go with Bilstein HDs. I am reluctant to recommend aftermarket springs unless you have ridden in a similar car equipped with those springs- you my love them, you may hate them. And a lowered ride height has its share of advantages and compromises. Koni FSDs may be another good option if they offer them for the Prelude.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Yes, they've done great. I just figured if I do need to replace them, I might as well "go for it." I have to replace the shocks and springs together. I did some research & it says they don't actually make aftermarket shocks for a Type SH Prelude. So I need to buy shocks & springs for a "base" Prelude and they'll fit perfectly.
The Prelude was a very highly developed Honda. It was completely "over engineered" in an almost German sort of way. It didn't share an engine, platform, or suspension components with any other Honda. It has a 5 bolt hub where most other Hondas of its vintage had 4 bolts. Suspension components were specifically developed for the Prelude.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
@stever said:
Oh, it's also like installing a fancy air filter, performance chip or something - all the "improvement" is seat of the pants and you want to justify your purchase decision. After that many miles, any shock is likely to make the car feel like a new one.
There's no question that the butt dyno and/or placebo effect can be misleading. However, in the case of my Mazdaspeed 3 I made timed 3rd gear 30-70 acceleration runs before and after I installed the Mazdaspeed intake as well as the Hypertech tune. Combined those two modifications cut over 0.8 seconds off the original 30-70 time.
As for shocks, the answer to the OEM vs. aftermarket question is hugely dependent on both the platform as well as its intended use. For example, my sons 170,000 mile X3 is still running the original struts/shocks. The dealer(and I) both think that they are still good. When/if they do need replacement I can't think of a good reason NOT to stick with the OEM struts.shocks.
Contrast that with my 2007 Mazdaspeed 3. I defy you to find anyone who thinks the OEM damping is optimum- even when the struts/shocks are brand new. Then there is the issue of longevity; one front strut died at 26,000 miles while the rears were fully knackered by 70,000 miles. I did go with OEM rear shocks at that time because they were relatively cheap(wonder why?) and I thought that I would be selling the car in the near future. When I decided to change all four corners at 132,000 miles going with FSDs was truly a no-brainer.
In the case of my Wrangler, at 92,000 miles I was able to find Bilstein HDs for $210 for all four. At that price why would you even consider OEMs?
Having said all that, for the huge majority of vehicular appliance operators(calling them "drivers" is far too generous) sticking with the OEM struts/shocks is always a safe recommendation...
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
So then I'd still have to go with new springs, just OEM Springs from a "base" Prelude. I haven't specifically driven or ridden in another Prelude with the specific aftermarket springs I'm looking for. Thank-you for your input. I greatly value everyone's opinion.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
The suspension walkarounds here are interesting - here's one for a 2010 Mazdaspeed3 that speaks to the factory engineering argument - it's hard to imagine that an aftermarket shock company has access to all the nitty-gritty specs for the various parts that have to work together. Going to dampen your OEM shock 20%? - k, but what effect will that have on the oscillations and will part of an oscillation be introduced that would otherwise have been "pre-cancelled" out?
That's not to say the OEMs get it right every time either (Jeep death wobble comes to mind).
The cars I've driven with H&R race springs (along with Bilsteins) have been great... slightly lowered, better turn-in response, with a very small trade-off in ride quality.
When I refreshed my suspension, last year.... I put on Koni FSDs (still on original springs), and those have been really nice. As good as putting new OEM on, at half the price.
Bought the '95 M3 for my son... transaction was quick and simple.... and, the car is a delight to drive. Of course, this is the last day I'll probably get to drive it..
So then I'd still have to go with new springs, just OEM Springs from a "base" Prelude. I haven't specifically driven or ridden in another Prelude with the specific aftermarket springs I'm looking for. Thank-you for your input. I greatly value everyone's opinion.
Have you checked any of the Honda boards? I'm not saying that the H&Rs would be bad, I'd just hate for you to go with them and then find that you hate the ride/handling of that combination...
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
@stever said:
The suspension walkarounds here are interesting - here's one for a 2010 Mazdaspeed3 that speaks to the factory engineering argument - it's hard to imagine that an aftermarket shock company has access to all the nitty-gritty specs for the various parts that have to work together. Going to dampen your OEM shock 20%? - k, but what effect will that have on the oscillations and will part of an oscillation be introduced that would otherwise have been "pre-cancelled" out?
That's not to say the OEMs get it right every time either (Jeep death wobble comes to mind).
Well, I spent a considerable amount of time discussing the issue with a product development manager at KONI America(who also owns a 1st. Gen MS3) as well as with individuals who have considerable track/competition experience(HPDE instructors/auto-x junkies/racers) and, as noted previously, I could not find one person who thought that the OEM MS3 struts/shocks were superior to Koni FSDs, Koni Yellows, or Bilstein HDs/Sports. And note that the individual at Koni recommended that I NOT go with shorter springs(he did recommend adding a stiffer rear anti-roll bar- which I have sitting in the garage awaiting installation).
And remember that Bilstein and Koni have been an OEM fitment on quite a few vehicles over the years. I'd put their engineering/development capability right up there with the OEMs.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
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Yeah, but you've modded your Mazda to within an inch of its life. You can do the same to the BMW, I suspect....
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This sled looks like a good deal; Track Pack cars have always been a bit thin on the ground...
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
seems to be. That's about $300 less than truecar has it for.
Still, though, $6500 more than a base GT. That's hard for me to come to terms with, personally.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Hey, I got a story for Farmer. That Driver will probably like.
over the 4th, I was up in NY and chatting with my wife's cousin in law. I think she is around 65ish. A retired teacher, that lives up in the Adirondacks, and has a winter place somewhere in Fla.
anyway, she had a fairly new car (Lincoln sedan, an MKZ?) that I had not seen before. got chatting, and she said that it replaced her former Grand Marquis, which she apparently loved (room, that V8 scoot coming out of a toll booth). But, it was aging, and not suited for the long trip.
point of this ramble? Well, she started looking, and found a like new GM down in Fla. not sure what year, but with about 40K on it (max), like brand new, for $3,500. So she snapped it up, and is keeping it in Fla for when people fly down to visit.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
does it have the carriage roof and gold emblems and wheel arch protectors? That's the pimped out version my father-in-law drives. We, coincidentally, call the extras "the Florida package."
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Okay, add this to your wish list. This company got a mention in a "hidden rooms" story in the Wall St. Journal today. It's an underground garage that you can stick in your front yard or wherever - more room to put that 3rd (or 4th) car in your stable. Swiss company, prices starts around $51,000 USD. Tunnel to your house optional.
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that is just odd. Interesting, but odd.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
It's interesting, but I'm sure it costs many times more than building a traditional garage. Also, I live in an area with a lot of limestone, and most of the houses in my subdivision can't have basements. Those that do have partially sunk, walk-out basements. So, it wouldn't work here.
Aw, you guys just like showing off your shiny cars in your driveways.
My mom had not one, but two GM's, blue 1/2 roof over white from maybe 1995 till she passed in 2005 and she fit in well in her golfing community outside Ft. Lauderdale. Growing up, we always had Caddy's or Lincoln's as her d d and after they went to one vehicle, Pontiac Bonneville's and Parisianne's fit the bill until she ended up with GM's. They/she loved big vehicles and even when us kids all went the Japanese route, they stayed in the American fold but being her dad had once owned a Dodge store, I understood their love for the American automobile.
At work, have been driving many Chevy Captiva's lately and really like them but we can only buy them used in the U S because they are sold only to rental companies and my bud had to get one used after it went to CarMax. Nice drivers and very similar driving position to my Tuscon. Got to drive an Enclave this morning and was really smitten with it but underwhelmed by the Armada I swapped it for. The new Accord's and Altima's drive so smoothly, I forget they have CVT trannies in them... a lot of value for the price there. Have lost count with the numbers and makes of what I've driven over the last year at work but during my shift, figure I drive maybe 12 to 16 vehicles each time, moving them to whatever location needs them. We very rarely can have the exact model a customer requests but we try to as much as we can...as long as it's in the same class, most don't seem to mind but there are those p i t a customers that cause a fuss if they don't get the exact model. Makes for an interesting and entertaining day sometimes! Love the gig and definitely glad I gave up the long distance trips as my spinal issues have been kept more in check because of it.
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Had to swap out a vehicle today at a Hertz location next to a Mitsubishi store and had some time waiting, so went over and looked at the Outlander SE again and even though I really like them, hell, I almost bought one last December and would be driving one right now had the g m of the store not insisting I take it home that minute instead of the next day. Hated the 18" sneakers but was happy with everything else especially the Rockford Fosgate(?) audio option. Same warranty as the Hyundai I ended up with which surprised me. Don't see that many down here and was very surprised that we didn't do the deal since it was an all cash one. Never can understand some folks and their reasoning but overall, happy with what I ended up with and no complaints here!
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_does it have the carriage roof and gold emblems and wheel arch protectors? _
Who needs a big GM or Lincoln for that - I've seen it on plenty of Camry's
Update on the 428i loaner:
On my drive home I went the back way, which allowed me to take a couple of corners at a somewhat rapid clip. Steering feel was MIA, even though "Sport+ " mode was engaged.
The brakes felt numb as well- and more than once the rate of deceleration actually increased while I was keeping a steady pressure on the pedal. Perhaps some weird artifact caused by the regenerative braking feature?
The engine start/stop seemed a lot smoother than on some Bimmers I've driven. Or maybe I've just learned to drive around it.
The 4er averaged 27.5 mpg while I had it. Great economy considering the weight and available power.
I do like the interior, although I did not care for the non-sport seats. No more supportive than the ones in my 1999 Wrangler.
H-K audio was a nice upgrade. If I buy a new BMW that will be a mandatory option.
When I got back behind the wheel of my wife's 328i, the difference in both steering effort and feel was immediately apparent; it felt almost like an M3 compared to the 4er. And while the I6 is down on power to the turbo four, it feels and sounds so much nicer...
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
test drive strike out x2. I had to run an errand after work today and stopped by a Subaru dealer to try out a new Legacy. "Sorry, we don't have any. The last 2014 just got unloaded off of the truck is a base 2.5i with CVT and alloy wheel pkg. Not prepped yet. Come back next week. I see you are driving a Bimmer, I think you'll like the 2015 Legacy."
2nd dealer was closed by the time I got there.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
I plan to stop at the Sube dealer tomorrow. I hope they at least have a 2015 to scope out. I probably won't look to test drive though.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Nice write up! Agree with everthing but the brakes. Mine seem fine in the F30. Drove the E46 to work today and the difference in steering feel and feedback (or lack thereof) is just shocking. BMW has got to find a way to fix that.
Re: non-sport seats...I had a nearly new Corolla rental about a month ago and those seats were better!
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The new Corolla we rented a month ago did have very comfortable seats. Had a backup camera too.
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I sold the 2008 Passat last night, guy showed up with 80 one hundred dollar bills. I should have went with my first instinct, and buried the money in a coffee can in the back yard.
When I walked in the credit union this morning to deposit the money, they made me fill out and sign a form, and then they took a photocopy of my driver's license. Now I'm wondering who'll show up on my doorstep first, the DEA or the Anti Terrorism Task Force. I'm hoping for the DEA, now that they're shutting down Guantanamo the ATTF would probably have to ship me to one of the Black Ops sites in Romania or Poland or ...
That's funny. I thought you could deposit up to $9,999 without any questions.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
That's funny, I also thought the requirement was for transactions of $10,000 or more. I don't know why they would do that unless you have had other recent transactions.
They run all sorts of programs to catch multiple deposits that are just below the threshold.. But, I'm surprised that you had to fill out a form for $8K, if you are an account holder. I mean, aren't you basically filling out a form when you deposit that amount?
I'll be withdrawing $8200 at my bank, tomorrow... to complete a car sale. I don't expect to have to fill out a form (other than the check), but I'll report back, if I do.
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Thanks! As for the brakes, the 428i was the first F3x I've driven that acted that way; maybe just a problem in that car, but it was definitely noticeable.
I'm hoping to drive an M235i to see if Munich has found a way to fix the steering feedback. If not, I'm going to be giving a lot of thought to that 135i M Sport that I mentioned...
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Hey NYC, I saw a 2015 Legacy today. out on the lot (just off the truck yesterday) and conveniently, right next to their last 2014. Very, very nice. Not hugely different exterior style, but a nice tasteful upgrade. interior was a big improvement, particularly the center stack and infotainment stuff. MPG also up noticeably.
Very roomy, comfy seats. Good visibility and a huge trunk (there is something to be said for boxy styling). I did not take the time to drive it though (I was next door getting my Volvo serviced, so I wandered over).
Pricing does not seem bad. the 2 they had were both 4 cyl premium, 1 with a moonroof. I think both had cloth seats, and MSRP was 25-26K for the 2. Standard equipment load (other than leather, which I am not a big fan of) seemed generous.
Get out there and find one to drive, and report back please.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
speaking of cars, I am getting antsy to start wheeling and dealing the hi mileage part of the fleet. had the S40 in today for the annual oil change, see what the dealer can find wrong visit. This year, they decided that the front end needs attention (2 struts leaking, and control arm bushings cracking). Would actually not surprise me, since it does ride like a buckboard over our bombed out roads. Plus, my daughter (she drives it) seems to hit every pothole, and I did have to replace a bent wheel not long ago.
so, will take it to the tire store I use tomorrow for a 2nd opinion. I suspect it will fall into the "yeah, they are getting old, and should get replaced eventually, but not a crisis and not dangerous" category. but we shall see.
one problem is I need to fix, or get in writing that everything is fine, so I can feel honest when I go to sell it! And since I want to do that around labor day, into the shop it goes.
Most likely step 1 is selling the Volvo, and just having 2 cars (keeping the TL). Not sure when the budget will support replacing that too.
and at this point, I have gotten used to a newer, nice car. Dealing with old car foibles and worries can get tiring. The Siren's call of the cheap lease...
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@stickguy
I'll try and take one out for a spin sometime next week. Thanks for your detailed "2015 Legacy Preview." Of course I'll report back my findings.
The Premium is the model I'd most likely be going for. It seems like it has everything I need and nothing I don't. Also, the residual is higher than the fancier Limited model.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
@Stickguy - The 2015 looks better than the 2014 for sure, which was a rather frumpy-looking ride. I want to like Subarus, but their design has not impressed me much. And I hear the stories about early piston slap and head gasket problems with the boxer engines. An older Forester drove by my slowly here this week when I was working in the garden and it sounded like a sewing machine. I couldn't live with that, but I would guess they must be better now, or otherwise people wouldn't be buying so many of them.
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the sound is part of their charm, but yes, Subies have always tended to be a bit of a cult thing. Still, the new ones are much improved dynamically over the old ones. Much quieter and smoother.
the head gasket issue was resolved a few years back when they redesigned the engine to relocate the cooling passages.
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@stickguy
Looks like you get a nice load of cool "car geek" stuff standard even on the 2.5i: backup camera, all wheel drive, torque vectoring, brake assist, brake over ride, paddle shifters...
Stepping up to the Premium gives you power seats, heated seats, dual climate control, body color side mirrors, plus then you can add an optional sunroof & eyesight if you wish.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
Some things never change...
I clicked the "True Price" button on the ad for the Mustang GT. According to the dealer's web site, True Price:
" ...eliminates the time-consuming negotiation process and delivers you[sic] an easy car buying experience!"
To date I have received three emails from the dealer.
Care to guess if any of them contained a "True" -or any other- kind of price?
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Just read the review. impressive, and sounded perfect for me. especially because I appreciate the firmer ride! Even better, 36 highway MPG, and an 18.5 gallon tank! Talk about serious, bladder busting range.
priced one out. a premium, with moonroof + nav (and the fancy stereo stuff), and a few options like mats, trunk tray, etc. stickers at $26,129. Invoice is $24,480. Quire competitive for what you get.
helps that I can get insider VIP pricing (being friends with an actual SOA big shot executive) so I think I automatically get 2% below invoice, so just about 24K, without a doc fee. less any incentives.
frankly, would rather spend a little extra on something like this with the features I want, in a car I like, than getting a lower level Altima or Camry to save a few $.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
@stickguy
Absolutely. I might go for the moonroof, but skip the NAV. I'm sure invoice pricing will be more of a reality after 2 months or so. Lots of competition around here. If I buy in NY, no doc fee (well, $75 but nothing like here in CT or NJ).
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
I normally skip the nav, but my daughter really wants it, and if she is going to share the car and potentially be driving to college at some point, better to have it built in. She definitely got her sense of direction from her mother, not me (and no, that is not a good thing!).
there is also some extra goodies with the XM and upgraded stereo/display (touch screen) and a few other things, and it is only about $500 on top of the roof.
the real question would be if it is worth going another $1,200 for eyesite/BLIS/rear cross path monitoring.
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I have a customer that has a forester with eyesight who swears by it. The car stopped itself when someone erratically cut in front of him across 3 lanes of traffic to exit the highway.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
nyccarguy ,
My next new round of vehicles . All these new safety features are a must. Forward crash warning system, front, side and back laser guided braking systems, lane watch etc.. Features like these will save yours and your family's life in the event.. You see how these animals drive here in NY.
WORTH............. every Penney in my eyes. My vehicles have some of the new safety tech. but not the cross traffic and braking systems.
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Best 1200 dollars you could spend on your family. A excellent safety feature. my friend has it in his car. like NYC posted it works and will save your life.
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My '02 and TJ have no electronic aids, while my beloved Club Sport is only equipped with ABS; I must have both feet in the grave...
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Forgive me if I've asked this before and it has been answered:
I'm thinking the Prelude most likely needs new shocks since I'm still on the originals 12 years & almost 153,000 miles later. Tire rack has a nice set of H & R Sport Springs for $210 & Bilstein Shocks ($135 each for "Sport" or $82 & $88 for "Touring"). What say you oh wise ones?
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
Here's the OEM argument.
Huge difference between a land cruiser or performance car compared to most econo cars, though. Plus, manufacturers look for a balance between comfort and handling, not to mention cutting costs wherever they can.
That person's argument that they are somehow customized is BS. Just like the aftermarket makers, manufacturers use suspension components off the shelf that are for several vehicles. Only when you are dealing with more expensive vehicles might you find a more customized setup. But that is far from the case for, let's say, your minivan or Kia rio.
All that said, I'm not so sure I'd mess with a prelude. Those were supposedly very highly developed, yes?
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I dunno - Idahodoug is still around elsewhere on the net and seems pretty knowledgeable (and worked in the biz). He did get some OME shocks himself so he's not OEM all the time for every purpose. And how could you not trust a guy from Idaho?
The OEM Prelude shocks seemed to do okay for 153,000 miles eh?
Oh, it's also like installing a fancy air filter, performance chip or something - all the "improvement" is seat of the pants and you want to justify your purchase decision. After that many miles, any shock is likely to make the car feel like a new one.
Check prices on shockwarehouse.com. Includes shipping. I bought 2 sets from them and saved a few dollars.
I would stick with stock springs and go with Bilstein HDs. I am reluctant to recommend aftermarket springs unless you have ridden in a similar car equipped with those springs- you my love them, you may hate them. And a lowered ride height has its share of advantages and compromises. Koni FSDs may be another good option if they offer them for the Prelude.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Yes, they've done great. I just figured if I do need to replace them, I might as well "go for it." I have to replace the shocks and springs together. I did some research & it says they don't actually make aftermarket shocks for a Type SH Prelude. So I need to buy shocks & springs for a "base" Prelude and they'll fit perfectly.
The Prelude was a very highly developed Honda. It was completely "over engineered" in an almost German sort of way. It didn't share an engine, platform, or suspension components with any other Honda. It has a 5 bolt hub where most other Hondas of its vintage had 4 bolts. Suspension components were specifically developed for the Prelude.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
There's no question that the butt dyno and/or placebo effect can be misleading. However, in the case of my Mazdaspeed 3 I made timed 3rd gear 30-70 acceleration runs before and after I installed the Mazdaspeed intake as well as the Hypertech tune. Combined those two modifications cut over 0.8 seconds off the original 30-70 time.
As for shocks, the answer to the OEM vs. aftermarket question is hugely dependent on both the platform as well as its intended use. For example, my sons 170,000 mile X3 is still running the original struts/shocks. The dealer(and I) both think that they are still good. When/if they do need replacement I can't think of a good reason NOT to stick with the OEM struts.shocks.
Contrast that with my 2007 Mazdaspeed 3. I defy you to find anyone who thinks the OEM damping is optimum- even when the struts/shocks are brand new. Then there is the issue of longevity; one front strut died at 26,000 miles while the rears were fully knackered by 70,000 miles. I did go with OEM rear shocks at that time because they were relatively cheap(wonder why?) and I thought that I would be selling the car in the near future. When I decided to change all four corners at 132,000 miles going with FSDs was truly a no-brainer.
In the case of my Wrangler, at 92,000 miles I was able to find Bilstein HDs for $210 for all four. At that price why would you even consider OEMs?
Having said all that, for the huge majority of vehicular appliance operators(calling them "drivers" is far too generous) sticking with the OEM struts/shocks is always a safe recommendation...
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
@roadburner
So then I'd still have to go with new springs, just OEM Springs from a "base" Prelude. I haven't specifically driven or ridden in another Prelude with the specific aftermarket springs I'm looking for. Thank-you for your input. I greatly value everyone's opinion.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
The suspension walkarounds here are interesting - here's one for a 2010 Mazdaspeed3 that speaks to the factory engineering argument - it's hard to imagine that an aftermarket shock company has access to all the nitty-gritty specs for the various parts that have to work together. Going to dampen your OEM shock 20%? - k, but what effect will that have on the oscillations and will part of an oscillation be introduced that would otherwise have been "pre-cancelled" out?
That's not to say the OEMs get it right every time either (Jeep death wobble comes to mind).
The cars I've driven with H&R race springs (along with Bilsteins) have been great... slightly lowered, better turn-in response, with a very small trade-off in ride quality.
When I refreshed my suspension, last year.... I put on Koni FSDs (still on original springs), and those have been really nice. As good as putting new OEM on, at half the price.
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And.. completed my punch, today.
Bought the '95 M3 for my son... transaction was quick and simple.... and, the car is a delight to drive. Of course, this is the last day I'll probably get to drive it..
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Have you checked any of the Honda boards? I'm not saying that the H&Rs would be bad, I'd just hate for you to go with them and then find that you hate the ride/handling of that combination...
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Well, I spent a considerable amount of time discussing the issue with a product development manager at KONI America(who also owns a 1st. Gen MS3) as well as with individuals who have considerable track/competition experience(HPDE instructors/auto-x junkies/racers) and, as noted previously, I could not find one person who thought that the OEM MS3 struts/shocks were superior to Koni FSDs, Koni Yellows, or Bilstein HDs/Sports. And note that the individual at Koni recommended that I NOT go with shorter springs(he did recommend adding a stiffer rear anti-roll bar- which I have sitting in the garage awaiting installation).
And remember that Bilstein and Koni have been an OEM fitment on quite a few vehicles over the years. I'd put their engineering/development capability right up there with the OEMs.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive