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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,740
    edited July 2014

    thanks for the report, shifty. I can't do anything at the moment anyway. Still need to get around to unloading the Benz before I make any kind of move. Not sure I'll even do that this year. We'll see. I had the urge to put it out on the lawn this past weekend.

    From what I've read, the manual trans E60 530i can run 0-60 in right around 7 secs. So it would get trounced by a modern Accord or Camry, but it is still more than adequate (I'd say just "adequate" is 8-9 secs, personally). I think my Volvo is in the mid 8-second range and that gets me around just fine.

    In any case, I really really think I should be on the lookout for a ... less needy vehicle. A protege5 still feels like my best bet to be a somewhat fun vehicle that is cheap and easy to take care of.

    But then I'll come across something like this and be tempted to consider other options.

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  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386

    Go with that Protege. Fun doesn't have to cost a lot.

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  • breldbreld Member Posts: 6,922

    @kyfdx said:
    Your 2007 model had the 255 HP engine, though, I think.. The 2004 model had the older 225 HP engine.

    That 255 HP engine, while not terribly fuel-efficient, was a hoss.... we had that engine in an X3 and a Z4.

    Aah - didn't realize that. I assumed any engine change was made at the introduction of the new E60 model (other than the "528" and "535" changes with the '08 facelift).

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481

    Very nice report and service records on that Volvo, BTW.

  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,906
    edited July 2014

    Possible punch update:

    PPI on the '95 M3 turned out pretty well.. couple of small issues. Came to an agreement on price... Transferring next weekend, when we both have the time.

    This one:

    http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/4544968422.html

    http://images.craigslist.org/00n0n_8oldyx1CNfM_600x450.jpg

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,504

    Very nice @kyfdx!

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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,338

    Yes, nice!

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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,338

    The RB Jr. Potential Punch List as of today:

    BMW 128i(used)
    Mazda 3 s Touring(new)
    Toyobaru BRZ/FR-S(new/used)
    VW GTI(new)

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,906

    I'm trying to not get too excited about it... because it's for my son.. ;)

    I am happy about spending a lot less than RB is.. for his child.. B)

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  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,296

    Congratulations! We're at 16 punches for the year, counting that one.

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,504

    The E36 ///M3 was always one of my favorite cars.

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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,338
    edited July 2014

    @kyfdx said:
    I'm trying to not get too excited about it... because it's for my son.. ;)

    I am happy about spending a lot less than RB is.. for his child.. B)

    Two comments:

    1. Make sure that the M3's engine, transmission mounts, and shift lever assembly are in good shape; miss a shift in that car and you will likely bend some valves(I've heard of it happening to motors that only exceeded the redline by @500 rpm). Make sure that he reads and understands this Shifting Technique Tutorial.
    2. If my son was going to a school within a couple of hours of home both he and I would be perfectly happy letting him continue to drive the X3. However, SC is over seven hours away and, while I have some CCA friends in the area, there aren't any shops that I implicitly trust the way I rely on my local dealer and indie shops. The truck has almost 165,000 miles on it and while I don't anticipate any catastrophic failures, I don't relish going on a repair/recovery mission three or more hours away from home. And anyway, my wife prefers the X3 to her E90 328i(as do I, if the truth be told). Currently we are all leaning towards the Mazda 3. Decent power, excellent fuel economy, an interior that looks like it was cribbed from a Audi, and handling prowess that is unmatched in the segment.

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  • js06gvjs06gv Member Posts: 460
    edited July 2014

    I got to thinking about current horsepower levels when getting the oil changed on my Trans Am last week and talking to the service advisor. When I got the car in 2000, it by far had the most HP of all the cars in my fleet at the time at 320. Those cars were a '95 Chevy 1500 (200), '97 Pontiac Trans Sport (185), and a '00 Malibu company car (170). Average of the four was 219. Today, that Trans Am is the second least powerful of four cars. And the amazing part is my least powerful car is only down 46 HP with its 2.0L four. Average for my cars is now 342. My current truck has almost DOUBLE the HP of that old '95. We've certainly come a long way in a relatively short period of time in terms of engine technology.

    I'm at a 4th of July car show right now with the T/A and all the young kids seem to like it. Most of them are looking at it like it's some kind of time capsule they've never seen though!

    Hope everyone has a great holiday weekend.

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  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,296

    @js06gv said:
    Most of them are looking at it like it's some kind of time capsule they've never seen though!

    Haha... Well, curb weights have gone up since then, which partially offsets the horsepower gains. Still, your Optima will probably run 0-60 around 6 seconds, which is very close to the Trans Am and way faster than any family sedan made in the year 2000.

    Didn't you have issues with the Ford Sync system in your F-150? Did they ever get fixed?

  • js06gvjs06gv Member Posts: 460
    I've had a few isolated issues with sync, but nothing that required bringing it in. What's cool about the system is it seems to recognize when there is a problem and an update is "beamed" to the truck somehow. I get a status bar and it takes about 2 mins.

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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,338
    edited July 2014

    My local Nissan dealer is trying to unload this sled:

    A new 2014 with the Sport Package(obviously), I think they'd let it go for $30k or less. Nice, but I hate to spend that amount of money and not get Xenons and a decent audio system. Then there are Nissan's warranty practices- they will void your powertrain warranty in a heartbeat if you bring the car anywhere close to a road course. Understand, I don't expect Nissan to pick up the tab if I over-rev the car or wreck the tranny with poor shifting technique, but BMW and Mazda have never giving me any hassle for taking a car to a HPDE...

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,381

    Was scoping out a relatives new juke yesterday. I actually like it. Looks are growing on me. But loved the interior. And the size and functionality are perfect. Of course my daughter took one look and had a fit! She will share and possibily inherit it, so I guess I should care.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,381

    Also noticed some lease deals. Up in ny this weekend, so lower doc fees. An Altima S for $199 month plus tax on a 36/36. $1,000 due at signing for fees, 1st payment and bank fee. So 1k OOP, and$213/mo for a brand new mid size. Not a bad way to go.

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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited July 2014

    @stickguy, I don't understand all the hate of the Juke's looks either. It's "different" but not in a bad way, and the design all fits together. Has kind of a manga style about it.

  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,292

    The Juke is so ugly, it makes an Aztek look handsome...

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,381

    Well Steve, we are old geezers and not an 18 YO style conscious girl

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  • suydamsuydam Member Posts: 5,072

    I find the Juke hideous but kinda like the Soul. Go figure.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,429

    I like the Soul more than the Juke, too. The updated sharpened Soul is isn't bad , like a parallel universe xB that was actually designed better. The Juke is just weird for the sake of weird, with some Nissan interior "quality" thrown in for laughs. I have a friend who wanted one, until he learned that lumbar support seats are apparently not even an option. Weird again.

    At least the new Z lost the weird catfish fang things in the grille. Still a bit of an Ed Hardy shirt on wheels for me. The 2003 model aged very well in my eyes, anyway.

  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited July 2014

    The Juke seems a bit more of a chick car but I still like it. But I'd buy the Soul first, because of the layout for hauling stuff.

    It's a bit concerning that the Juke's style is now passé with the 18 year olds. :'(

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,381

    I like the soul too. Not sure about the kid.

    But in general, compact boxy hatchbacks appeal to me.

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  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,296

    RB, I don't know which dealer has the red 370Z, but my aunt recently bought a new Altima from Huffman and she was really pleased with the whole experience.

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481

    What does your insurance say about that, anything?

    That Nissan is a nice car--have you driven one?

    @roadburner said:
    My local Nissan dealer is trying to unload this sled:

    A new 2014 with the Sport Package(obviously), I think they'd let it go for $30k or less. Nice, but I hate to spend that amount of money and not get Xenons and a decent audio system. Then there are Nissan's warranty practices- they will void your powertrain warranty in a heartbeat if you bring the car anywhere close to a road course. Understand, I don't expect Nissan to pick up the tab if I over-rev the car or wreck the tranny with poor shifting technique, but BMW and Mazda have never giving me any hassle for taking a car to a HPDE...

  • suydamsuydam Member Posts: 5,072

    I'm not sure who the Juke EVER appealed to.

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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454

    Juke sales have increased every year since introduction in the US and Canada. (Good Car Bad Car)

    This past June it outsold the X3, Suburban, Flex, and even outsold the Murano stablemate.

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,429

    Juke seems to sell well in Russia, read into that what you want :)

    They still make the Murano? Seriously, very old and invisible (not pretty either) now - was striking when new, but the company didn't manage it right. I don't know if the Juke competes with Suburban, X3, or Flex. I bet it also outsold the Bentley Mulsanne B)

  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454

    I thought MB was the big seller in the USSR. ;)

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,740

    I said it when it was in pre-production, again when it was release, and I'll say it again now. I like the looks of the Juke. However, IMHO, they missed the correct pricepoint, at least at release. Back then, to get a manual trans Juke required, IIRC, getting up somewhere around $23k, which was right about where a 4-door GTI was, which offers better performance, better mileage, and more interior space.

    Seems it eventually evened out a bit where a manual trans Juke with sport pack is now about $2500 less than a 4-door GTI S. Still, though, pretty sure I'd pay the extra $2500 for all that I listed above. To me, at introduction, a Juke at $18k would have made sense and hit a good pricepoint in the market.

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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,338
    edited July 2014

    @Mr_Shiftright said:
    What does your insurance say about that, anything?

    That Nissan is a nice car--have you driven one?

    I haven't checked insurance; with an under-21 driver on the policy and six cars I can't see how it could get much worse.
    I dropped by to drive it but it was parked in the showroom; I hated to ask the salesman to pull it outside when I wasn't at least somewhat sure I'd buy it.

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,504

    " they will void your powertrain warranty in a heartbeat if you bring the car anywhere close to a road course"

    Ha! Said as only you can say it @roadburner. I'd actually PAY to watch you argue with the Nissan service advisor that your power passenger seat didn't break because you took the car to the track:

    "Mr. Roadburner, the law clearly states..."

    "Law? LAW? I'm a friggin JUDGE for cryin' out loud! You want to tell me about warranties and contract law? You know what? Please enlighten me about the Law. This should be good."

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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,338

    I never play the "Judge card" in those situations, but I will not tolerate being fed a line of BS by a service advisor or other "expert".

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,504

    I know you don't and NEVER would. I was just trying to poke fun at the situation if it ever might arise;)

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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,338

    I figured that... :D

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  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,123

    @roadburner said:
    I never play the "Judge card" in those situations, but I will not tolerate being fed a line of BS by a service advisor or other "expert".

    I'd be showing that business card all day, every day, twice on Sundays. ;)

    Last time I drove a Z car was about 10 years ago when I was trying to decide between the (then) new RX8 and the 350Z. I liked the Z....a lot. The thing is, it hasn't changed much (if at all) with the exception of the enlarged engine to a 3.7. It's heavy and thirsty. Not sure that matters, though.

    Why not have the dealer put in some HIDs and an after market stereo as part of the deal? I certainly don't see those flying off the lots, and they haven't been for a while. I like the red, though.

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  • au1994au1994 Member Posts: 3,707

    @ab348 said:
    Black interiors are on the bottom of any list of preferences I make. Almost as bad are what many mfrs are now doing, calling an interior a color - red, saddle, even white - when in reality is is just the standard black interior with a few color accents in spots. That is still a black interior in my book.

    With gray interiors you have to be careful. Dark grays often look even worse than black. Note the one used in the previous-gen Impala for an example. However light grays can looks very good. And my favorite, "oyster" is almost white but not quite and very appealing, if you can find it.

    Agree with you on what constitutes a 'grey', 'saddle' etc interior. On my 335 the seats, and inner door trim are Coral Red. The carpet, headliner etc are all black and the car is only about 20-30% cooler on a hot day than the black on black car it replaced. ZHP is the same way but its a vert so who cares about interior temp. :smiley:

    Now admittedly a solid Coral interior would be a bit much to take but I certainly don't object to all grey or tan. At least there is more out there to choose from. I swear for years in the 90's and early 2000's it seemed that interior options were tan or grey. If you were lucky you might be able to get black or a choice between a lighter or darker grey.

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  • au1994au1994 Member Posts: 3,707

    @corvette said:
    Congratulations! We're at 16 punches for the year, counting that one

    On a pace for 32 this year. Isn't that about what 2013 was?

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  • au1994au1994 Member Posts: 3,707

    @suydam said:
    I find the Juke hideous but kinda like the Soul. Go figure.

    Kinda like the Soul. Kinda quirky but not too much so and its nice and functional on the inside. Had a PT Cruiser for a while when I was married and that had a very functional interior. Dead reliable too BTW. Had it up to ~80k miles.

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  • breldbreld Member Posts: 6,922

    I like the Soul well enough to have suggested it for my stepdaughter a while back. Thought it'd be a fun car for a young driver, particularly in some cool color - just like Stick's daughter, she was repulsed by it.

    Funny enough, her grandfather (my father-in-law) likes them. I'm curious what the demographics are on Soul buyers - predicted versus actual.

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  • breldbreld Member Posts: 6,922

    RB - that 370z is certainly nice. Several years ago, I was on a sports car kick and did a lot of test driving of the RX-8 and 350z - tended to like the Mazda a bit better, but these days I'd probably go for a nice used Z over the RX-8 for the reliability factor.

    For those in the know, what are the major issues with the RX-8s? They sure are cheap on the used market. I imagine it'd be hard to get work done on the rotary engine these days?

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481

    I keep getting great offers of cars I don't want! What's up with that? ;(

  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,296

    @au1994 said:
    On a pace for 32 this year. Isn't that about what 2013 was?

    36, so we haven't been as busy this year.

  • au1994au1994 Member Posts: 3,707

    @breld said:
    I like the Soul well enough to have suggested it for my stepdaughter a while back. Thought it'd be a fun car for a young driver, particularly in some cool color - just like Stick's daughter, she was repulsed by it.

    Funny enough, her grandfather (my father-in-law) likes them. I'm curious what the demographics are on Soul buyers - predicted versus actual.

    That would be interesting to know. I do remember reading somewhere that the Honda Element ended up being very popular with the older set due to its easy ingress and egress. Also was popular with dog people for the same ingress and egress reasons I would guess.

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  • au1994au1994 Member Posts: 3,707

    Well that's certainly going to do nothing to stop a GTI itch if one has developed such a malady.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481

    Well gee whiz, while the others were sleeping, the GTI just slipped past them. Nice comparo!

  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,906

    Buying the M3 took me out of the GTI market.. a little sad about that.

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