Was out with daughter at lunch. As always, we both were scoping cars. She scoffed at a cruze ( I actually like the design). And yucked at a soul. But we both drooled over an Audi Q5, and an X1 we parked next too. The 1 is probably perfect car for me, outside of cost.
She also spotted a C6 convertible. I could work with that.
Still couldn't convince her to change college plans, even when she realized I was serious about getting a nice car if she had chosen the cheap option!
The cheap option was just community for 1 year, then transfer to a very good school to finish up, so even fancier degree. She just did not want to have to transfer. Or go to the snow belt!
My kids won't be going to college unless it is significantly cheaper than it is right now. There is no way, for the large majority of those with just undergrad degrees, it is worth the cost. I mean, I came out with something like $14k in debt. Not a big deal, regardless of outcome.
And, as an employer, I can tell you that the resume with 2 years of real-world experience is going to get consideration before one with a 4-year degree.
And, yes, yes, there are definitely career paths where a degree is still needed or preferred. But I think, all jobs taken into consideration, that is a very small percentage.
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The price of a 4 year college degree has become insane. My two granddaughters (ages 13 and 16) will be going to college, but only because everyone in the family started saving towards that goal when they were born.
I really think we need a system like France. Yes, I know, I'm a liberal, shoot me. But I do believe it.
For those in the know, what are the major issues with the RX-8s? They sure are cheap on the used market. I imagine it'd be hard to get work done on the rotary engine these days?
The newer cars are pretty reliable. The cars that tend to have engine problems are automatics and car that are driven in a very sedate fashion. Cars that are driven close to the 9000 rpm redline tend to do fine. And rotaries are designed to use oil- it is injected into the combustion chamber to lubricate the rotor's apex seals.
What kept me from pulling the trigger on the R3 was the fuel economy; I couldn't see owning a car that returns less than 20 mpg and yet can only manage a 0-60 time in the low sixes...
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@henryn said:
The price of a 4 year college degree has become insane. My two granddaughters (ages 13 and 16) will be going to college, but only because everyone in the family started saving towards that goal when they were born.
We've been doing that for my kids, but it won't be nearly enough.
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The problem is, at least where I work (financial operations for a multinational), is that there are few ways to get that experience without a degree - the HR/recruiter cabal has made it an prereq to prevent your resume from ending up in the old circular file cabinet, not to mention getting in the door. Kind of like the catch-22 of wanting experience for entry level work - how's that again? A bright person could do the work without a degree, but they'll probably never get the chance.
Glad I don't have kids - I graduated around Y2K, and I think it costs literally more than twice now. I graduated with maybe a small new Hyundai in debt, but I think it was worth it - not having the degree would have made some job advancement difficult, even with performance and experience. I worked, got grants, scholarship, and loans, as I wasn't lucky enough to have mom and dad able to keep me on the payroll until I was well into my 20s - and I think it worked out well enough. I think I was lucky though, compared to kids today (just as the previous generation might be lucky compared to my peers).
We definitely need a different post-high school system.
@qbrozen said:
My kids won't be going to college unless it is significantly cheaper than it is right now. There is no way, for the large majority of those with just undergrad degrees, it is worth the cost. I mean, I came out with something like $14k in debt. Not a big deal, regardless of outcome.
And, as an employer, I can tell you that the resume with 2 years of real-world experience is going to get consideration before one with a 4-year degree.
And, yes, yes, there are definitely career paths where a degree is still needed or preferred. But I think, all jobs taken into consideration, that is a very small percentage.
We need more vos-tech stuff as well. Where are all the future auto mechanics going to come from?
Funny thing about career tracking. There's all these community places springing up where you can meet and greet, brainstorm, and share the costs of buying fancy woodworking tools, laser cutting gizmos and 3D printers. A lot of the kids were told in high school that they were too smart to take shop so they only know some anemic academic stuff. Those "kids" are the ones flocking to the community shops.
Of course, nowadays few schools teach "shop". Back in Chattanooga, I went to the community college for auto courses. Learned some things but mostly it was a cheap way to fix my brakes and stuff and have someone around to check my work.
@qbrozen said:
And, yes, yes, there are definitely career paths where a degree is still needed or preferred. But I think, all jobs taken into consideration, that is a very small percentage.
There is a cost-benefit analysis that the colleges hope nobody thinks about. Many undergrad degrees in philosophy, English, folk studies, anthropology, interdisciplinary studies, theatre, dance, etc., are almost worthless from a standpoint of increased income throughout a person's career. And there are people who paid well over six figures to obtain those degrees from overpriced, private colleges, and now have few employment prospects. A degree in something like accounting, nursing, engineering, or computer science, on the other hand, is worth something, but you can get a quality education in those fields without spending six figures.
Personally, I had some college savings coming to me when I was 18. I got a full academic scholarship to a state school (and got a degree in a useful field), then used part of the college savings to go to law school. Hindsight being 20/20, I probably would have been better off financially (and definitely happier) if I had skipped law school and instead got a job in my field of study.
My first semester of college, in September of 1969, at an in-state public university, my tuition and fees cost me less than $150. That was for 16 hours, including one lab course. I think books ran another $25 or $30.
In those days, pretty much anyone could afford the cost of college. The hard part was living (room and board).
agree totally about the degree path. One of the requirements for a more expensive school is taking a path that leads somewhere. My son got an engineering degree from a high end school, and actually just started today a new job in his field (finally!), getting paid IMO quite well for a 23 YO kid. And yes, he is already trying to figure out how to get something new to drive!
the one going in this fall is (for now at least) going after an accounting degree (likes numbers), and if she amasses enough credits, can actually sit for the CPA exam right there at the school at the end of senior year. If that plays out, not worried about her job prospects.
I'm not scrimping for 4 years to pay for an art history degree, or something that has no job prospects without graduate school on top of the BA.
But, there are ways to get a solid education at a reasonable cost. Q lives in Jersey. They have a stars program here, for kids with good grades and SATs. Free tuition for 2 years at a CC, then IIRC they also cover 2 years tuition at a state school (like Rutgers) if you do well enough at the CC. That is a real cost effective way to get a degree.
I hope you are all buying lots of cars and staying out of trouble. I never have time to pop in here anymore, let alone read posts! I'm coming up on a year with the Explorer, I think it has around 17k on it, haven't had any issues with it and gas mileage is decent at 20 mpg mixed driving. Its a good car, reliable, but there's nothing exciting or endearing about it. I think its the first car that I could care less if it gets a ding or scratch (has a huge door ding in the rear door and scratches on the rear bumper), I drive it and put gas in it, probably should get the oil changed eventually too. My daughter drives it as well, although she prefers the Silverado.
My son bought himself a different car, I helped him with advice over the phone and text, but he did the deal himself and I think he did ok. He found a 1996 Pontiac Firebird with 124k on it, V8 with a 6-spd manual with an asking price of $3500, no accidents, 3 owner car with a good history. Had a pre-purchase done and the mechanic basically told him to walk away. The owner of the car was with my son and heard everything the mechanic said. I guess the guy didn't know there was much if anything wrong with the car. Mechanic said rear main and crankshaft seals were leaking, rear brakes were bad, water pump, hoses were leaking coolant, and it had rust on the undercarriage. My son decided to take on the project and offered the guy $1500 for it, they settled at $1900 which included a second set of wheels/tires.
A few days later my son decided to take the car to the gm dealer to get a second opinion. The rear main seal is fine, its the oil pan gasket that's leaking, the crankshaft seal is leaking but its minor, it needed a water pump, hoses, and rear brakes. GM tech also said the rust on the undercarriage is very minor and nothing to worry about. He had most of the work done on the car and put new tires on it. Eventually he will have to fix the A/C (the only issue the prev owner said it had) and fix the clear coat issues on the roof and hood.
He's happy and his 2011 Elantra will be sold tomorrow.
I basically lucked out with my career path and met the right person at the right time. It is, however, mostly related to my degree (editor with an English degree). But I always profess that my skills would be no different without that degree. I learned nothing additional in college other than how to make a bong out of anything, and that certainly is of no use to me anymore. But, yeah, I might not have gotten my foot in the door without that degree on my resume.
I did my part and just hired someone with no experience in my field, which is unheard of in my circles these days. But I wanted to pay it forward and give someone the chance that I was given.
Anyhoo... on the subject of cars, I've got the itch to get a new beater. Ordered a few more sensors to put on the Benz and, with any luck, that will be ready to hit the front lawn very very soon.
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@qbrozen...maybe the last comments on the subject but I too am working in a field that has nothing to do with my degree in geography. But the degree was my price of admission to get in the door. Like it or lump it. I have been part of an organization that for the past several years has grown into a global one and as a result we have done a lot of hiring and, you guessed it, a degree is required. Any resume without one actually doesn't even make it to my desk as our recruiters screen for that. Have we missed some top notch candidates? No doubt, but thems the rules that we abide by!
Any who...I'm getting the itch too even though the lease on the 335 is not up until spring of 16. Might scratch an itch and test drive a GTI and an A3 soon. Really afraid if I waited and test drove an S3 I'd come home with it!
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Life is timing and as it turned out, my degree was totally useless in my career with the government. Enjoyed those school years but looking back, wished I'd gone straight from high school into my job. As it is, things turned out fine and as someone very wise told me when I first started work, "you'll never become rich, but you'll make a living" and he was right. We bought a house, paid it off, raised three kids and put them all through school with one still on the payroll...G-d has been good to us and we are truly blessed! Looking back, glad I followed the route I did and smile every first of the month when my pension check hits the bank account. Timing is most times the key in life!
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@stickguy said:
the one going in this fall is (for now at least) going after an accounting degree (likes numbers), and if she amasses enough credits, can actually sit for the CPA exam right there at the school at the end of senior year. If that plays out, not worried about her job prospects.
I'm not scrimping for 4 years to pay for an art history degree, or something that has no job prospects without graduate school on top of the BA.
My stepdaughter (a junior this year in H.S.) suggested to her mom that she'd like to go to college for a degree in astronomy. My wife hit the roof and then sternly made some other, more practical, suggestions.
My wife, myself, my brother and his wife all went down the accounting path for college and received our CPA licenses. Is it the most exciting thing for a career? No. But it sure has served us all well over the past 2-3 decades. And we all do very different things for work. It's a great foundation that can lead to varying careers.
It seems to me that many kids these days almost feel a sense of entitlement that they should be able to choose the career that fits their passion. If you can do that, by all means, that would be ideal. But I've found some comfort in accepting that a job is simply a means to an end. Am I passionate about accounting? Certainly not (there are those who are). But it allows me to indulge in the things that I am passionate about (family vacations, comfortable home, cars, etc.).
Thanks breld. I was thinking of it the same way. A great foundation to build (or fall back) on. Was talking to our piano tuner last night, and he said a few kids in his family, all girls, got accounting degrees and all got good jobs immediately, but in much different fields.
Another benefit for women (at risk of being sexist) was being able to work part time or seasonal doing audits.
I think my daughter might really enjoy the consulting world, so good prep for that. But, we shall see how it goes.
My stepdaughter (a junior this year in H.S.) suggested to her mom that she'd like to go to college for a degree in astronomy. My wife hit the roof and then sternly made some other, more practical, suggestions.
My wife, myself, my brother and his wife all went down the accounting path for college and received our CPA licenses. Is it the most exciting thing for a career? No. But it sure has served us all well over the past 2-3 decades.
It seems to me that many kids these days almost feel a sense of entitlement that they should be able to choose the career that fits their passion. If you can do that, by all means, that would be ideal. But I've found some comfort in accepting that a job is simply a means to an end.
I would never discourage anyone from pursuing an interest in any scientific field. I mean, we are talking astronomy, not astrology.
I agree with others here, I would never pay for a degree in "art history", but that is far different from astronomy, which is a good, solid science.
I think that we all should encourage our kids / grandkids to pursue their passions. I can't imagine anything much worse than going to work every day at a job that bored me simply as a means to pay the bills.
@roadburner said:The newer cars are pretty reliable. The cars that tend to have engine problems are automatics and car that are driven in a very sedate fashion. Cars that are driven close to the 9000 rpm redline tend to do fine. And rotaries are designed to use oil- it is injected into the combustion chamber to lubricate the rotor's apex seals.
What kept me from pulling the trigger on the R3 was the fuel economy; I couldn't see owning a car that returns less than 20 mpg and yet can only manage a 0-60 time in the low sixes...
All true. I had one of the first RX8s in the state. You gotta run them...HARD! Watch the oil level, drive'em like you stole'em, don't expect Corolla MPG, and they're uber fun cars that will run and run. The poweplant only has 9 moving parts.
@breld said:
But I've found some comfort in accepting that a job is simply a means to an end. Am I passionate about accounting? Certainly not (there are those who are). But it allows me to indulge in the things that I am passionate about (family vacations, comfortable home, cars, etc.).
That is EXACTLY the way I feel about my profession. When I'm at work I strive to do my best, but at the end of the day I don't think about my job again until I arrive at work the next morning. My work allows me to provide a secure living for my family, but it has NEVER been my passion. It's just my job.
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Getting back to cars, my son has just about decided on a Mazda 3 s Touring. He wants the 2.5 engine more than a third pedal, and the slushbox is apparently quite good. I get $500 Mazda Loyalty cash and 0.9 APR for 60 months. Sounding more and more like a plan...
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If I remember correctly, the manual trannie on the "S" model was going to be a delayed introduction. If it's really the ideal set up, may be worth the wait (says the person who is oh so good at "waiting").
Thinking about making a punch on a lease for a Fusion Energi. We're driving the Q50 a ton, it has 12,000 miles on it in 6 months. Even after buying out the lease we're driving it way more than I anticipated. On top of that I'm using the 2002 Pathfinder for daily duty and putting way more miles on it than I want to, and at 12 years old and 145,000 miles it's still going strong but not in perfect shape.
Plus the CCBA side of me is always looking for something new and I'm somewhat intrigued by electric cars. I get that it doesn't make the most sense, but I like them and wouldn't mind not paying for gas on my daily trips to the gym, store, meeting friends for lunch, etc.
I looked at leasing a Focus electric, but having to add the 240 charging station was kind of a drag and the range was good for 75% of the trips but not all. The Fusion Energi will serve fine for almost all the around town trips and still allow for some extra if/when needed. Then by the time the lease is up hopefully the smaller Tesla will be out or some more viable options.
Waiting to hear back on the final numbers but hoping a punch is coming soon.
The Accord plug-in hybrid model has gotten really good reviews. Oddly, they fit the hybrid with wider tires than the regular non-Sport model Accords, so it should have good lateral grip.
@corvette said:
The Accord plug-in hybrid model has gotten really good reviews. Oddly, they fit the hybrid with wider tires than the regular non-Sport model Accords, so it should have good lateral grip.
If I was buying the Accord would have been my first choice, but I wanted the ventilated seats which the Fusion offers. For an around town car (mostly) the Fusion checked all the boxes. At least for the next 24 months or so.
RB, the Mazda was a close second for my son, and most of the race out front. But he was looking at the I, so the extra HP in the Jetta swayed him. Plus, a bit cheaper to lease.
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Seems like a pretty good deal on the surface if they stick to the fine print. Figure doc and dmv shouldn't exceed $750 on the high end. Roll that in for a true sign and drive and I think you'd be right around $210.
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where did you see that? Deal on Nissan's website is $189 with $1999 up front plus doc and DMV. I'd be surprised if they had over $2k in wiggle room on that car. I could be wrong, of course.
The offer I got in the email is about $1k-$1200 off the Sentra deal on Nissan's site.
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Truecar.com is showing me a price of $18,207 for a 2014 Altima 2.5S. This is in zip code 77021.
They're showing incentives of $300 for USAA, $500 for financing with Nissan, and $1500 Customer cash back.
Edmunds is showing me a Price Promise of $22,491 for the same car. Heck of a big difference. Edmunds is showing incentives of $1,500 Customer Retail Cash and $500 for financing with Nissan.
Apparently the 2015 model Altimas are available now, so the leftovers are getting cheap? Which still doesn't explain the difference between TrueCar and Edmunds.
On edit: I'm also seeing a huge difference in pricing for the 2014 Nissan Murano between the two sites.
Q, it was actually at a dealer up in Albany (where I was last weekend). From their ad in the paper. Doing this off memory of course, but at times you can definitely beat the national ad deal.
I've owned a 1969 Datsun SPL-311 roadster as well as a 1993 Pathfinder SE. Both were great vehicles, but every new Nissan except for the 370Z and Xterra just leave me cold.
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@roadburner said:
...every new Nissan except for the 370Z and Xterra just leave me cold.
I've always liked the styling of the Xterra, but the current model is extremely dated. When I had a current model as a rental, it drove fine, plenty of power, adequate handling for a body-on-frame SUV, but the instruments, gauges, and radio looked like they were from the 1990s. My rental also had a "death rattle" coming from the rear cargo area. I thought I had it solved when I discovered four loose metal tie down hooks that the dealer hadn't bothered to screw on at PDI. I installed them and the rattle remained. I was glad that one wasn't my truck!
I liked the Altima I test drove. of course, that might change if I drove it more. Mostly it hit the mark for room, comfortable, great MPG and range, and being cheap sold. If I just needed an inexpensive commuter mobile, or something for the kid to take back and forth long distance to college, it would be a serious contender.
CVT on the new Accord is supposed to be more responsive than the Altima, at least according to reviews I've read. I've only driven the V6 6 speed auto Accord (which was slow to downshift) and the V6 CVT Altima, so I can't really compare.
I was in Freehold last weekend. Note to self: No matter what the GPS says, STAY OFF OF ROUTE 9! I paid $3.55 per gallon for RUG (they hit me with $.10 per gallon for using my CC)
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Was out with daughter at lunch. As always, we both were scoping cars. She scoffed at a cruze ( I actually like the design). And yucked at a soul. But we both drooled over an Audi Q5, and an X1 we parked next too. The 1 is probably perfect car for me, outside of cost.
She also spotted a C6 convertible. I could work with that.
Still couldn't convince her to change college plans, even when she realized I was serious about getting a nice car if she had chosen the cheap option!
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Wise daughter. College is more important than a car, long-term. Just as with cars, cheaper choice seldom pays off.
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The cheap option was just community for 1 year, then transfer to a very good school to finish up, so even fancier degree. She just did not want to have to transfer. Or go to the snow belt!
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My kids won't be going to college unless it is significantly cheaper than it is right now. There is no way, for the large majority of those with just undergrad degrees, it is worth the cost. I mean, I came out with something like $14k in debt. Not a big deal, regardless of outcome.
And, as an employer, I can tell you that the resume with 2 years of real-world experience is going to get consideration before one with a 4-year degree.
And, yes, yes, there are definitely career paths where a degree is still needed or preferred. But I think, all jobs taken into consideration, that is a very small percentage.
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The price of a 4 year college degree has become insane. My two granddaughters (ages 13 and 16) will be going to college, but only because everyone in the family started saving towards that goal when they were born.
I really think we need a system like France. Yes, I know, I'm a liberal, shoot me. But I do believe it.
I remember a fairly recent poll of top execs in the Fortune 500 and the vast majority of them did not come from ivy league schools by any means.
The newer cars are pretty reliable. The cars that tend to have engine problems are automatics and car that are driven in a very sedate fashion. Cars that are driven close to the 9000 rpm redline tend to do fine. And rotaries are designed to use oil- it is injected into the combustion chamber to lubricate the rotor's apex seals.
What kept me from pulling the trigger on the R3 was the fuel economy; I couldn't see owning a car that returns less than 20 mpg and yet can only manage a 0-60 time in the low sixes...
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We've been doing that for my kids, but it won't be nearly enough.
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The problem is, at least where I work (financial operations for a multinational), is that there are few ways to get that experience without a degree - the HR/recruiter cabal has made it an prereq to prevent your resume from ending up in the old circular file cabinet, not to mention getting in the door. Kind of like the catch-22 of wanting experience for entry level work - how's that again? A bright person could do the work without a degree, but they'll probably never get the chance.
Glad I don't have kids - I graduated around Y2K, and I think it costs literally more than twice now. I graduated with maybe a small new Hyundai in debt, but I think it was worth it - not having the degree would have made some job advancement difficult, even with performance and experience. I worked, got grants, scholarship, and loans, as I wasn't lucky enough to have mom and dad able to keep me on the payroll until I was well into my 20s - and I think it worked out well enough. I think I was lucky though, compared to kids today (just as the previous generation might be lucky compared to my peers).
We definitely need a different post-high school system.
We need more vos-tech stuff as well. Where are all the future auto mechanics going to come from?
Funny thing about career tracking. There's all these community places springing up where you can meet and greet, brainstorm, and share the costs of buying fancy woodworking tools, laser cutting gizmos and 3D printers. A lot of the kids were told in high school that they were too smart to take shop so they only know some anemic academic stuff. Those "kids" are the ones flocking to the community shops.
Of course, nowadays few schools teach "shop". Back in Chattanooga, I went to the community college for auto courses. Learned some things but mostly it was a cheap way to fix my brakes and stuff and have someone around to check my work.
There is a cost-benefit analysis that the colleges hope nobody thinks about. Many undergrad degrees in philosophy, English, folk studies, anthropology, interdisciplinary studies, theatre, dance, etc., are almost worthless from a standpoint of increased income throughout a person's career. And there are people who paid well over six figures to obtain those degrees from overpriced, private colleges, and now have few employment prospects. A degree in something like accounting, nursing, engineering, or computer science, on the other hand, is worth something, but you can get a quality education in those fields without spending six figures.
Personally, I had some college savings coming to me when I was 18. I got a full academic scholarship to a state school (and got a degree in a useful field), then used part of the college savings to go to law school. Hindsight being 20/20, I probably would have been better off financially (and definitely happier) if I had skipped law school and instead got a job in my field of study.
My first semester of college, in September of 1969, at an in-state public university, my tuition and fees cost me less than $150. That was for 16 hours, including one lab course. I think books ran another $25 or $30.
In those days, pretty much anyone could afford the cost of college. The hard part was living (room and board).
And buying cars.
Nope, no car, too poor. My 2nd year I bought a 1957 Ford for $100, was a really big expense for me at the time.
agree totally about the degree path. One of the requirements for a more expensive school is taking a path that leads somewhere. My son got an engineering degree from a high end school, and actually just started today a new job in his field (finally!), getting paid IMO quite well for a 23 YO kid. And yes, he is already trying to figure out how to get something new to drive!
the one going in this fall is (for now at least) going after an accounting degree (likes numbers), and if she amasses enough credits, can actually sit for the CPA exam right there at the school at the end of senior year. If that plays out, not worried about her job prospects.
I'm not scrimping for 4 years to pay for an art history degree, or something that has no job prospects without graduate school on top of the BA.
But, there are ways to get a solid education at a reasonable cost. Q lives in Jersey. They have a stars program here, for kids with good grades and SATs. Free tuition for 2 years at a CC, then IIRC they also cover 2 years tuition at a state school (like Rutgers) if you do well enough at the CC. That is a real cost effective way to get a degree.
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I hope you are all buying lots of cars and staying out of trouble. I never have time to pop in here anymore, let alone read posts! I'm coming up on a year with the Explorer, I think it has around 17k on it, haven't had any issues with it and gas mileage is decent at 20 mpg mixed driving. Its a good car, reliable, but there's nothing exciting or endearing about it. I think its the first car that I could care less if it gets a ding or scratch (has a huge door ding in the rear door and scratches on the rear bumper), I drive it and put gas in it, probably should get the oil changed eventually too. My daughter drives it as well, although she prefers the Silverado.
My son bought himself a different car, I helped him with advice over the phone and text, but he did the deal himself and I think he did ok. He found a 1996 Pontiac Firebird with 124k on it, V8 with a 6-spd manual with an asking price of $3500, no accidents, 3 owner car with a good history. Had a pre-purchase done and the mechanic basically told him to walk away. The owner of the car was with my son and heard everything the mechanic said. I guess the guy didn't know there was much if anything wrong with the car. Mechanic said rear main and crankshaft seals were leaking, rear brakes were bad, water pump, hoses were leaking coolant, and it had rust on the undercarriage. My son decided to take on the project and offered the guy $1500 for it, they settled at $1900 which included a second set of wheels/tires.
A few days later my son decided to take the car to the gm dealer to get a second opinion. The rear main seal is fine, its the oil pan gasket that's leaking, the crankshaft seal is leaking but its minor, it needed a water pump, hoses, and rear brakes. GM tech also said the rust on the undercarriage is very minor and nothing to worry about. He had most of the work done on the car and put new tires on it. Eventually he will have to fix the A/C (the only issue the prev owner said it had) and fix the clear coat issues on the roof and hood.
He's happy and his 2011 Elantra will be sold tomorrow.
Speaking of going to school and buying cars.... Always good to get an update from you, @akangl!
(Finally dumped my '99 Quest last month btw).
I basically lucked out with my career path and met the right person at the right time. It is, however, mostly related to my degree (editor with an English degree). But I always profess that my skills would be no different without that degree. I learned nothing additional in college other than how to make a bong out of anything, and that certainly is of no use to me anymore. But, yeah, I might not have gotten my foot in the door without that degree on my resume.
I did my part and just hired someone with no experience in my field, which is unheard of in my circles these days. But I wanted to pay it forward and give someone the chance that I was given.
Anyhoo... on the subject of cars, I've got the itch to get a new beater. Ordered a few more sensors to put on the Benz and, with any luck, that will be ready to hit the front lawn very very soon.
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@qbrozen...maybe the last comments on the subject but I too am working in a field that has nothing to do with my degree in geography. But the degree was my price of admission to get in the door. Like it or lump it. I have been part of an organization that for the past several years has grown into a global one and as a result we have done a lot of hiring and, you guessed it, a degree is required. Any resume without one actually doesn't even make it to my desk as our recruiters screen for that. Have we missed some top notch candidates? No doubt, but thems the rules that we abide by!
Any who...I'm getting the itch too even though the lease on the 335 is not up until spring of 16. Might scratch an itch and test drive a GTI and an A3 soon. Really afraid if I waited and test drove an S3 I'd come home with it!
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Life is timing and as it turned out, my degree was totally useless in my career with the government. Enjoyed those school years but looking back, wished I'd gone straight from high school into my job. As it is, things turned out fine and as someone very wise told me when I first started work, "you'll never become rich, but you'll make a living" and he was right. We bought a house, paid it off, raised three kids and put them all through school with one still on the payroll...G-d has been good to us and we are truly blessed! Looking back, glad I followed the route I did and smile every first of the month when my pension check hits the bank account. Timing is most times the key in life!
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My stepdaughter (a junior this year in H.S.) suggested to her mom that she'd like to go to college for a degree in astronomy. My wife hit the roof and then sternly made some other, more practical, suggestions.
My wife, myself, my brother and his wife all went down the accounting path for college and received our CPA licenses. Is it the most exciting thing for a career? No. But it sure has served us all well over the past 2-3 decades. And we all do very different things for work. It's a great foundation that can lead to varying careers.
It seems to me that many kids these days almost feel a sense of entitlement that they should be able to choose the career that fits their passion. If you can do that, by all means, that would be ideal. But I've found some comfort in accepting that a job is simply a means to an end. Am I passionate about accounting? Certainly not (there are those who are). But it allows me to indulge in the things that I am passionate about (family vacations, comfortable home, cars, etc.).
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@breld, you kind of make it sound like the minivan of careers.
Thanks breld. I was thinking of it the same way. A great foundation to build (or fall back) on. Was talking to our piano tuner last night, and he said a few kids in his family, all girls, got accounting degrees and all got good jobs immediately, but in much different fields.
Another benefit for women (at risk of being sexist) was being able to work part time or seasonal doing audits.
I think my daughter might really enjoy the consulting world, so good prep for that. But, we shall see how it goes.
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And, like our own Odyssey, it is highly functional and adaptable.
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I would never discourage anyone from pursuing an interest in any scientific field. I mean, we are talking astronomy, not astrology.
I agree with others here, I would never pay for a degree in "art history", but that is far different from astronomy, which is a good, solid science.
I think that we all should encourage our kids / grandkids to pursue their passions. I can't imagine anything much worse than going to work every day at a job that bored me simply as a means to pay the bills.
All true. I had one of the first RX8s in the state. You gotta run them...HARD! Watch the oil level, drive'em like you stole'em, don't expect Corolla MPG, and they're uber fun cars that will run and run. The poweplant only has 9 moving parts.
That is EXACTLY the way I feel about my profession. When I'm at work I strive to do my best, but at the end of the day I don't think about my job again until I arrive at work the next morning. My work allows me to provide a secure living for my family, but it has NEVER been my passion. It's just my job.
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Work to live, not live to work!
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Getting back to cars, my son has just about decided on a Mazda 3 s Touring. He wants the 2.5 engine more than a third pedal, and the slushbox is apparently quite good. I get $500 Mazda Loyalty cash and 0.9 APR for 60 months. Sounding more and more like a plan...
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I dig it! Let us know the particulars once the deal is sealed.
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If I remember correctly, the manual trannie on the "S" model was going to be a delayed introduction. If it's really the ideal set up, may be worth the wait (says the person who is oh so good at "waiting").
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Thinking about making a punch on a lease for a Fusion Energi. We're driving the Q50 a ton, it has 12,000 miles on it in 6 months. Even after buying out the lease we're driving it way more than I anticipated. On top of that I'm using the 2002 Pathfinder for daily duty and putting way more miles on it than I want to, and at 12 years old and 145,000 miles it's still going strong but not in perfect shape.
Plus the CCBA side of me is always looking for something new and I'm somewhat intrigued by electric cars. I get that it doesn't make the most sense, but I like them and wouldn't mind not paying for gas on my daily trips to the gym, store, meeting friends for lunch, etc.
I looked at leasing a Focus electric, but having to add the 240 charging station was kind of a drag and the range was good for 75% of the trips but not all. The Fusion Energi will serve fine for almost all the around town trips and still allow for some extra if/when needed. Then by the time the lease is up hopefully the smaller Tesla will be out or some more viable options.
Waiting to hear back on the final numbers but hoping a punch is coming soon.
The Accord plug-in hybrid model has gotten really good reviews. Oddly, they fit the hybrid with wider tires than the regular non-Sport model Accords, so it should have good lateral grip.
If I was buying the Accord would have been my first choice, but I wanted the ventilated seats which the Fusion offers. For an around town car (mostly) the Fusion checked all the boxes. At least for the next 24 months or so.
RB, the Mazda was a close second for my son, and most of the race out front. But he was looking at the I, so the extra HP in the Jetta swayed him. Plus, a bit cheaper to lease.
He really wanted the leftover GLI though.
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Just got this email from my Nissan dealer:
Take advantage of this Incredible Lease deal on the 2014 Sentra SV going on NOW through July 31, 2014. ZERO DOWN payment and $175 per month for 36 months. The Summer season is heating up and so are our DEALS here at DCH Freehold Nissan. Call us Today!
Excludes taxes, doc fee, and license. (INCLUDES $400 manufacturer's rebate applied to $175/Month lease. Offer valid only when financed through Nissan Motor Acceptance Corporation.) Subject to residency restrictions.
Stock Number FN41480: MSRP $ 18,350: VIN~EY244983: 8 or more in stock at this price. 2014 Sentra SV with Floor Mats Lease model 12114 subject to availability to well-qualified lessees through Nissan Motor Acceptance Corporation. $18,350 MSRP incl. destination charge. Monthly payments total $6,300. At lease end, purchase for $10,643, plus purchase option fee up to $300 (except KS & WI), plus tax, or pay excess wear & use plus $0.15 per mile for mileage over 12,000 miles per year. Lessee is responsible for maintenance and repairs. A disposition fee is due at termination of lease term. No security deposit required. Must take delivery from new dealer stock. See participating dealer for details. Offer ends 07/31/2014.
Seems like a pretty good deal on the surface if they stick to the fine print. Figure doc and dmv shouldn't exceed $750 on the high end. Roll that in for a true sign and drive and I think you'd be right around $210.
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Q, from what I saw recently (forget the dealer) you can get an Altima S for right about $199/mo with just doc fees and DMV up front. Very tempting.
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where did you see that? Deal on Nissan's website is $189 with $1999 up front plus doc and DMV. I'd be surprised if they had over $2k in wiggle room on that car. I could be wrong, of course.
The offer I got in the email is about $1k-$1200 off the Sentra deal on Nissan's site.
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Truecar.com is showing me a price of $18,207 for a 2014 Altima 2.5S. This is in zip code 77021.
They're showing incentives of $300 for USAA, $500 for financing with Nissan, and $1500 Customer cash back.
Edmunds is showing me a Price Promise of $22,491 for the same car. Heck of a big difference. Edmunds is showing incentives of $1,500 Customer Retail Cash and $500 for financing with Nissan.
Apparently the 2015 model Altimas are available now, so the leftovers are getting cheap? Which still doesn't explain the difference between TrueCar and Edmunds.
On edit: I'm also seeing a huge difference in pricing for the 2014 Nissan Murano between the two sites.
Q, it was actually at a dealer up in Albany (where I was last weekend). From their ad in the paper. Doing this off memory of course, but at times you can definitely beat the national ad deal.
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I've owned a 1969 Datsun SPL-311 roadster as well as a 1993 Pathfinder SE. Both were great vehicles, but every new Nissan except for the 370Z and Xterra just leave me cold.
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I've never seen much lease support on any Ford/Lincoln. That would definitely affect my decision.
I've always liked the styling of the Xterra, but the current model is extremely dated. When I had a current model as a rental, it drove fine, plenty of power, adequate handling for a body-on-frame SUV, but the instruments, gauges, and radio looked like they were from the 1990s. My rental also had a "death rattle" coming from the rear cargo area. I thought I had it solved when I discovered four loose metal tie down hooks that the dealer hadn't bothered to screw on at PDI. I installed them and the rattle remained.
I was glad that one wasn't my truck!
I liked the Altima I test drove. of course, that might change if I drove it more. Mostly it hit the mark for room, comfortable, great MPG and range, and being cheap sold. If I just needed an inexpensive commuter mobile, or something for the kid to take back and forth long distance to college, it would be a serious contender.
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CVT on the new Accord is supposed to be more responsive than the Altima, at least according to reviews I've read. I've only driven the V6 6 speed auto Accord (which was slow to downshift) and the V6 CVT Altima, so I can't really compare.
one of these days I will stop in and test drive the Accord. really interested to see how the CVT works. I do love the looks on it.
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I was in Freehold last weekend. Note to self: No matter what the GPS says, STAY OFF OF ROUTE 9! I paid $3.55 per gallon for RUG (they hit me with $.10 per gallon for using my CC)
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