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  • rayainswrayainsw Member Posts: 3,192

    I have not driven either of the other 2 mentioned here
    but I do agree that the M235i is [ cost no object ] what I
    would likely choose - next time.

    = Ray

    Waiting - oh, so patiently.....

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  • laurasdadalaurasdada Member Posts: 5,182

    @stickguy said:

    today the options I guess are Altima and Camry. With an Accord a dark horse if prices come down. Maybe a Sonata. Malibu? I do think I want to stay relatively mid-sized.

    Mazda 6? My dad loves his... Kia Optima, variation on the Sonata theme.

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,506

    A quick update on the 2013 Leftover GTI Driver's Edition. The dealer has it up on their website with an asking price of $25,995. Looks like a good starting price for a 2013 leftover at the end of June with the 2015 new body style on its way to the showrooms any day now (making that 2013 2 MY old). I know that GTIs seem to hold their value as used cars, but how much do they let it go for? This is NOT the only 2013 GTI around either. This particular dealer has 5.

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  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,471

    @nyccarguy said:
    A quick update on the 2013 Leftover GTI Driver's Edition. The dealer has it up on their website with an asking price of $25,995. Looks like a good starting price for a 2013 leftover at the end of June with the 2015 new body style on its way to the showrooms any day now (making that 2013 2 MY old). I know that GTIs seem to hold their value as used cars, but how much do they let it go for? This is NOT the only 2013 GTI around either. This particular dealer has 5.

    If you're looking to lease, avoid the 2013 GTI's. MF is not as good as on the 2014. And, you should be able to get about the same amount off of sticker on the 14's.

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,506

    Not for me. Just curious. That's all.

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  • breldbreld Member Posts: 6,922

    nyccarguy - glad you enjoyed the test drive of the Passat. Sounds like nothing from the experience took it off the list of strong contenders. It's definitely a solid, comfortable car.

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  • Sandman6472Sandman6472 Member Posts: 7,218

    Wife and daughter #2 have had the Mazda through Florida and up through Alabama to Atlanta and now are returning to Florida and so far, no problems whatsoever. A/C still only working on #3 and #4 so all seems status quo. Right now, last week of December is the buy week unless something major happens prior to then. She really wants a 2015 model for some strange reason so we'll see how things progress. My money's on a new Elantra if I were a betting man!

    The Sandman :)B)

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,740

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,384

    doubt that is really an owner. looks more like a flipper. But from the pictures, looks super clean. Might be tempted if not AWD!

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  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,123

    @stickguy said:
    doubt that is really an owner. looks more like a flipper. But from the pictures, looks super clean. Might be tempted if not AWD!

    Agreed that it's a flipper. Nice looking car, though. Not sure how s/he'd know it was all highway miles driven, though. Not a bad price. Maybe throw a $4,500-$5K number out there to see where it lands.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,429

    Curbstoner - prices don't look bad anyway

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,384

    Always worry in that area about left over sandy cars.

    But at least he has a lot of stick shifts!

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  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,123

    @fintail said:
    Curbstoner - prices don't look bad anyway

    Don't know how he can claim one owner since he's at least the 2nd owner (unless he's the original owner of that MB E class).

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,740
    edited June 2014

    maybe he never transferred the title.

    funny, I actually clicked on many of those ads earlier today. That Cobalt is just so wrong. Too bad that 323 is an auto.

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  • slorenzenslorenzen Member Posts: 694
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,429

    I like it. Lots of style for the money.

  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,338

    Stopped by my BMW dealership to tell my salesperson to keep looking for a 128i for RB Jr(that and a BRZ/ FR-S are the only sleds on his radar). He told me that a customer is ordering a M235i and that he will be selling/trading his 2011 M Sport 135i. The 1er had been another salesperson's demo; Alpine White/Coral Red, DCT along with literally every available option save Sirius/XM. AND the Dinan Stage 2 software(355 bhp 401 lb-ft of torque). My salesperson gave the guy my number; I have no idea when/if he will try to sell it, and I may decide to remain debt-free, but I'm at least going to give it a look.

    In other news, I had some fun at the expense of an older guy(older than me, anyway) who should have known better. He was driving a newer Camaro V6 and I guess he thought that his hood stripes and fuzzy dice on the rear view mirror added 100+ bhp- he was in the next lane at a traffic light and I was in the Mazda. I guess he was trying to show off by nailing the throttle when the light turned green; I annihilated him. He needed to learn to choose his battles wisely...

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  • au1994au1994 Member Posts: 3,707

    Oh boy, bad day to have the checkbook handy...I like that. A lot.

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,907

    @au1994 said:
    Oh boy, bad day to have the checkbook handy...I like that. A lot.

    $5500 upfront... $3000 per year in repairs and maintenance... ;)

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  • au1994au1994 Member Posts: 3,707

    @kyfdx said:

    I know but dang, the Shark body style has always made my heart beat a little faster.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,740

    I dunno. I thought a 633 is supposed to be pretty reliable.

    If its as described, seems too cheap, frankly. I've seen nice ones with far higher asking prices.

    I'm glad it is on the other side of the country from me.

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  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,123

    @kyfdx said:
    $5500 upfront... $3000 per year in repairs and maintenance... ;)

    You say that like it's a bad thing....LOL!

    Actually, you're probably closer to the truth than we want to believe. Still, I've always thought '80s era 6ers were some of the nicest styled BMWs ever to hit the streets. Probably a bit nostalgic for me given my first BMW was an '87 325is. I like BMWs from the '80s for some reason.

    RB....for shame....a law man getting into street racing..... :p;)

    This was a while ago, but got into a stop light war when I had my BMW E92. I was fresh from having the performance pack installed by me dealer, driving home from the dealership.

    That's when an F150 Lightning rolls up beside me reving it up. LIght turns, his wheels chirp,. I just mash the throttle. Last I saw him was in my rearview with him giving me an unkind gesture. Dropped him like a bad habit, with a little BMW coupe aganst a big and bad S/C V8 pickup.

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  • jayriderjayrider Member Posts: 3,602

    @graphicguy said:
    That's when an F150 Lightning rolls up beside me reving it up. LIght turns, his wheels chirp,. I just mash the throttle. Last I saw him was in my rearview with him giving me an unkind gesture. Dropped him like a bad habit, with a little BMW coupe aganst a big and bad S/C V8 pickup.

    My Prius generates way too much respect for any stoplight challenges. It's good to be the King.

  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited June 2014

    @jayrider, lol. I like to win the first fifty feet race against those guys in my minivan. That proves I have the better reflexes - the rest is just machinery. :p

  • slorenzenslorenzen Member Posts: 694

    @stever said:
    jayrider, lol. I like to win the first fifty feet race against those guys in my minivan. That proves I have the better reflexes - the rest is just machinery. :p

    The VW beetle was the fastest thing out there, 0 to 20...

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,506

    While none of my cars would be considered accomplished "red light warriors," if I've got momentum WATCH OUT. This past Monday, there is a Corolla 2 cars in front of me and a GTI directly in front of me. The 3 of us are driving on a downhill entrance ramp to a 3 lane highway. I look over my shoulder and see I've got a clear shot to the left lane. The Corolla seems to plan on merging onto the highway at its current 25 - 30 mph speed. The GTI is riding the Corolla's rear end. I back off and roll down the ramp in 2nd gear. I have my left blinker on, mash the gas pedal, and am shifting from 3rd to 4th in the left lane while the GTI is trying to figure out how to pass the Corolla. I settle down, move into the center lane, and set my cruise at 70. A few miles down the road the GTI goes flying by me on the left:) Score one for the Prelude:)

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  • rayainswrayainsw Member Posts: 3,192
    edited June 2014

    'We're all incorrigible.'

    That may be the nicest word for us.

    = Ray

    Been called worse.....

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481

    I've owned my fair share of 80s-era BMWs. They can be pretty reliable if you stay on top of them. The usual suspects---electrical glitches and marginal AC. A 635Csi might be a better choice for this country.

  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 14,123

    @rayainsw said:
    'We're all incorrigible.'

    That may be the nicest word for us.

    = Ray

    Been called worse.....

    Amen to that!

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,907

    @Mr_Shiftright said:
    I've owned my fair share of 80s-era BMWs. They can be pretty reliable if you stay on top of them. The usual suspects---electrical glitches and marginal AC. A 635Csi might be a better choice for this country.

    Even if reliable, they are maintenance intensive... And, a 40-yr-old car is going to be a pain, no matter how good they were, way back then. We had an '87 E30 that required $2400 in repairs/maintenance in just 18 months.. (not counting the wreck or the new tires/wheels). That was for just 6000 miles.

    I'd say the price is about right, for an early '80s model. Most people want the later '80s models with more power or the M635i model. (not that the one in the picture isn't in great shape.. it's gorgeous).

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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,338

    @kyfdx said:

    An E24 6er is relatively simple and cheap to run. I'd buy that one in a heartbeat.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481

    cheap to run? Hmmm....debatable. Let's play it safe, and figure $125/month, minimum, for repairs and maintenance. Parts aren't that easy, either, for a 633. Hopefully this one isn't running those metric tires. Pricey, pricey! Ouch!

    Basically, this is a nice car for a DIYer and someone really plugged into the BMW network. It's not a car for a rookie, where it breaks and you "take it somewhere". But your'e right, it's not a complex car, like say a Benz would be. I found them pretty easy to work on. I rather miss my old 735 especially. An Alpina 7-series wagon would be sweet.

    Downside of a 633? The car is a bit of a slug. Be prepared to be wiped out by minivans.

  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,338

    Actually most E24 parts are still available- either from BMW or BMW Classic- all from a local dealer. Not much to break; the M30 inline six is dead-nuts reliable. Not a lot of pricey electrics. TRX wheels? Pitch them and get 16" wheels and tires from Tire Rack- @$900.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    edited June 2014

    Buy, yes, but buy easily, not so much. Sure, a determined individual can source most of what he needs, but it's no walk in the park finding certain parts, or paying for them. This would be true for any old German car.

    Expect a fair amount of down time unless you don't mind paying for air freight. So say you buy a really nice 633 but all it needs is new non-metric tires and it has a leaking radiator. That'll be $2000. So it wasn't a $5500 car, it was a $7500 car.

    Relating this to ANY old car--electronics get flaky, seals, bushings, etc---stuff wears out.

    Everyone's tolerance level is different with used cars. Some are content to let them putt along, some require a return to factory spec.

    I see this all the time--people insisting their old car is in "great shape"--but it really isn't. What they mean is that it looks okay and it doesn't break down.

    One can defer an enormous amount of "non-essential" maintenance on an old car. For some folks, they don't care of the left rear window doesn't go down, the muffler rattles, there's a small oil leak, the shocks are a bit tired, the wiper blades streak, the cruise control doesn't work, and the passenger seat adjuster is broken. To them, it's still a great, trouble-free car. And who's to say their wrong saying that?

  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,338

    Where do you get $2000? A radiator is $375 from BMW- before a CCA discount. And a buyer with any sense at all would know about the TRX debacle and be prepared to pitch them. I agree that an E23 7er can turn into a money pit, but a manual E30, E24, or E28 can be maintained for a surprisingly reasonable annual outlay.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    edited June 2014

    I got that price from the site you recommended-- BWM classic. 669 Euro. I just picked something I figured an old car would need. Many parts on that website are quite pricey. No doubt you know better sources.

  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,338
    edited June 2014

    I used the infamous Russian online ETK, which gave the price in US dollars@375.

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  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,338

    RB Jr. saw a 2015 GTI and really liked it. Mrs. RB may yet repo the X3(we both prefer driving it to the 328i) so we'd pitch the 3er and get a base GTI.
    That 135i I mentioned is tempting, but it will have to be an EXCEPTIONAL deal to get me to give up the MS3. It is really running so well that it is almost as much fun to drive as the ti.
    Heresy, I know...

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,384

    the base model (gray) GTI I saw was really sweet. Stick and everything. Lot of car for 25.2K. Just no moonroof!

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,384

    speaking of BMWs, I took a trip up to NY this weekend (Albany, to find my son an apartment, since he is finally moving out!) and always sight see along 206 from Princeton past somerville. Lots of cars for sale along that busy road. Anyway, there is a shop that I have driven past many times but never really paid attention to. Until this weekend, since they have a silver Z3 "coupe" out front for sale. I should have stopped. Well, I shouldn't have but I should have, if you know what I mean.

    Loved the name since I paid attention on the way home. Turns out to be a BMW indy specialist.

    http://www.ziggysbimmercenter.com/

    too bad no listing for that car.

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,907

    @stickguy said:
    the base model (gray) GTI I saw was really sweet. Stick and everything. Lot of car for 25.2K. Just no moonroof!

    Just $3K more for the SE model with leather and a roof.. ;-)

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,384

    I actually prefer the cloth seats. So a base car plus 1K for the roof would be even better! call it, oh, I don't know, a Wolfsburg?

    When I browsed, they had that base car, and a loaded DSG Autobahn that was up over 31k I believe. A whole lotta money for a slushbox and some gadgets.

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,907

    @stickguy said:
    I actually prefer the cloth seats. So a base car plus 1K for the roof would be even better! call it, oh, I don't know, a Wolfsburg?

    When I browsed, they had that base car, and a loaded DSG Autobahn that was up over 31k I believe. A whole lotta money for a slushbox and some gadgets.

    The SE has some other desirable stuff, as well.. If I'm still in the market in October, I might make a run at one.. (you know, if we don't buy that 205K mile '95 M3).

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  • breldbreld Member Posts: 6,922

    @stickguy said:
    I actually prefer the cloth seats. So a base car plus 1K for the roof would be even better! call it, oh, I don't know, a Wolfsburg?

    That's a great idea - wouldn't be surprised at all if they did something like that. They may have underestimated the buyers' desire for the plaid cloth seats.

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  • 28firefighter28firefighter Member Posts: 9,832

    The saga with my wife's 2011 Mazda3 continues. This morning she went to go to the gym and the car would not start. Auxiliary power comes on, as expected, but the steering wheel and brakes won't unlock and the car won't turn over.

    My presumption is that when AAA gets here, they'll test the battery and tell me it is bad. At 2.5 years old, it seems a bit early for an OEM battery to bite it. I'm frankly a bit baffled, as this is our second Mazda with electrical issues.

    If it wasn't paid off, I'd have dumped it already....

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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454

    We were able to spec out a Soul Primo with heated cloth and panoramic roof a month or so ago.

  • henrynhenryn Member Posts: 4,289

    My presumption is that when AAA gets here, they'll test the battery and tell me it is bad. At 2.5 years old, it seems a bit early for an OEM battery to bite it. I'm frankly a bit baffled, as this is our second Mazda with electrical issues.

    If the battery is indeed the issue, it’s most likely a problem with one of the internal connectors between the cells.

    A quick review is in order here. A car battery is made up of 6 individual cells which each produce 2 volts. The 6 individual cells, wired in series, produce 12 volts. When your battery dies, it is usually because one of the connections between cells went bad, not because of the battery cells themselves going bad.

    A higher quality battery should have better internal connections, and a lower chance of premature failure. However, to a certain extent, premature failures are going to occur on some individual units, much as they do with say a light bulb.

    Of course, all of this is predicated on the battery being the actual point of failure. If the battery is still good, but was drained by something on your car, that is a different kettle of fish entirely. Let us know how it works out, I for one haven’t heard of Mazda’s being subject to electrical problems. That’s usually reserved for high end luxury cars with 10,000 electrical gadgets (smile).

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  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    edited June 2014

    Just reading your post and thinking about the battery issue. Todays vehicles it seems the headlights and interior lights stay on alot longer after the car shuts off.. It probably drains more battery life. On my 13, Accord when you open the doors the headlights go on even before starting up. On my Genesis the headlights are on alot longer than i like. I sometimes wait for them to go off thinking there is something wrong.

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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454

    There's also more electronics and "computers" that never really turn off.

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