Honda Odyssey 2005+

lumbar

Does repeating the identical post twice an hour apart, when I answered you the first time, qualify as an answer in your world?

revit

There should be a forum for the Pilot where you can probably get an answer to that question, but a friend of mine has one and I believe it has standard side airbags.

Too funny, but for all the people here who seem to not like the Honda Odyssey or think it is not the BENCHMARK OF MINIVANS, they sure do have alot of interest in the Honda Odyssey instead of posting under the other minivan forums.

GO HONDA!

popper

I emailed you w/ the specifics.

bamacar

"Pilot is nice, but it doesn't handle like new Odyssey or Acura MDX. More prone to rollovers, than Volvo XC 90 and the Ford Freestyle."

Funny, NHTSA says both get 4 stars for rollover. Where did you get your data?

Any consideration to the Volvo's reliability. Consumer reports says the XC90 has a reliabilty 83% below the average midsize SUV. The Pilot is about 40% above the average. Maybe if Volvo could borrow the "questionable" Honda transmission they might not be next to last in reliability (only Land Rover is worse).

indy93

Wrong answer... Honda's own web site shows no side curtain air bags.

billbob

I'm looking for the same MVAN. Could you also email me the contact information of the Honda dealer.

THANKS!

bamacar

Although it is remiss that the Pilot does not have curtain airbags for 05, check out the following.

2005 CRV Curtain Airbags Standard all models, RAV not.
2005 Odyssey Curtain Airbags Standard all models, Sienna not.
2005 Accord Curtain Airbags Standard all models, Camry not.

Honda is way ahead of the competitors though not perfect on safety.

lumbar

I'm still wondering why the fact that something is standard--and well charged for in the MSRP-- instead of optional adds up to being way ahead of the competition. Now I'll grant you, if the bags are not available *at all* (such as on the 04 Odyssey versus the 04 Sienna), that could matter.

eyeblind

FYI: Your claim that the 05 Odyssey is the first mini van to have standard side curtain air bags is incorrect. The 04 Nissan Quest has had standard side curtain airbags since its release back in July of 2003.

samnoe

Sorry for that one. I didn't realized. Tell that for Revit, too.

samnoe

All Toyota SUV's have "standard" stability control. Honda SUV's does not.

So it's one way or the other.

And see my point above that not everybody wants side curtain airbags. I for one like options, and take what you want. I would wish all minivans should have stand alone options for the following: Side curtain airbags; power sliding doors and liftgate; DVD player; NAV system; leather seating; sunroof. Most people would be pleased this way (at least I would!).

bamacar

Where is this 100k mile failure data? No year of Odyssey since 1996 has below average reliability for its transmission.

Why did the Volvo with all of those features still not score any better on the actual rollover test? I would have thought 5 stars would be in order. Actually the chance of rollover is slightly higher in the Volvo than the Pilot (17% vs 15%), but both are at the top of the category. 10% or less would get you 5 stars, but no SUV or van scores 5 stars.

bamacar

I would agree with you on power doors, DVD, NAV, Leather, sunroof, but I think Curtain airbags and stability control will be standard in a couple of years on all Hondas and Toyotas. I agree some people would not pay for the safety features if optional, but with them standard the unit cost will be less and long term deaths and insurance claims will also be less.

sepa

Outside Philadelphia, the Sage Brush Pearl (SBP), when seen on the lot, looks like charcoal gray. On the dealer websites, many dealers are now calling it "graphite" instead of SBP. Are others seeing this?

Also, has anyone noticed the great variation in the depiction of the Ocean Mist Metallic on Honda's website? On the color pallete page, it looks like a muted bluish-gray, yet if you click on the page that shows exterior accessories, it looks like a bright blue (similar to the brochure).

The variation between the brochure and the website makes me think it is necessary to see one before buying, unless you decide on the more standard colors (navy, black, white, silver, etc.).

bamacar

OK, awdman, truthsquad, hondano, sanityprevails probably all the same poster, go back to your Toyota and Volvo board, guess what? This is the Honda Odyssey board. Please talk about it or go elsewhere. Thank you.

None of my facts have been proven wrong. Check the Consumer reports reliability - Volvo is second from last. Pilot is rated higher on overall safety and rollover than the XC90 (check the NHTSA website). Any other Volvo commercials that I need to debunk for you?

Revit may be a little overzealous in favor of the Honda, as I believe the Odyssey will be about 1000 over invoice by the end of this model year. It is a good value at anything below MSRP, but will be an excellent value at invoice to invoice+1000.

isellhondas

The constant bickering between a couple of "experts" has run this board into the ground.

No car is right for all people.

Both Honda and Toyota build a fine product and people have to decide for themselves which is best for their needs.

As far as looks go, for crying out loud! It's a MINIVAN we are talking about here!

***sigh*** back to lurking...

hifisoftware

Do not ever trust colors shown on the web site. It's hard to control. To properly reproduce the color everything must be color profiled (even your environment, temp and amount of ambient light in your room). In addition to color there is a specular component (if it's a metallic paint)... I do not want to go into specifics here.
Brochure on the other hand must be very, very close to the actual colors. If it is not, then Honda is intentionally misrepresenting colors. Yet even if Brochure shows exact color properly it's hard to image how the van is going to look in that color. I've been talking with my wife over and over about which color we like most. We are more and more incline to wait until there is a sufficient selection to be able to see van in all colors that interest us.
Some colors take different hues at the evening vs during the day, too. So it might be useful to check color that you like during different times of the day.

stickguy

I agree about the colors. Sometimes the impact in person is much different than what you get from the Web or a flat picture.

The dark blue is nice, and the sage brush pearl(?) was real sharp, but my wife might not want it since it is real close (I think) to the color of my car, and that would be boring!

Slate green looks more like battleship gray, but I don't think I have seen it in person. Ocean mist might be right, if it is similar to the light blue Sienna color. it looks good on the Web, but the one picture in the brochure looks like robins egg blue, and not in a nice way.

The best thing is to have one of each color you are considering all together.

hansienna

Fern Green was very attractive. Why the switch to Ivory (which is really a light tan)?
    The tan interior looks horrible with the black dash.

isellhondas

White cars should have dark interiors!

The 2002 CRV's that were white had tan interiors and these were poor sellers. Next year they switched to black and sales soared on these.

So, guess what? White 2005 CRV's went back to the tan interiors!

But, what do I know...?

scottphillip

How do you think Black/Black Touring would look? I don't remember seeing a black minivan. BTW, I am in Florida and am concerned with resale...

stickguy

Very dark. I thought the all-black insides would look like a cave, but it wasn't too, too bad, but that was sitting in a showroom with very bright lighting.

I think you are right that black on black in Florida will come back to bite you at resale time.

blackexv6

I agree. Taffetta White with dark grey or black would be my choice. Guess i'll have to settle for the silver.

mot

My wife and I drove a 2005 EX over the weekend and experienced the issue with wind noise/whistle emanating from somewhere around the driver's door/window. Presented just like what others have previously written about, begins around 30 mph and increases in volume as your speed increases. Seems like a design flaw may be the cause. This issue is the biggest factor with us possibly not buying the Odyssey and going with a Sienna. Has anyone had a dealer acknowledge the problem and correct it?

Also can anyone recommend a Honda dealer in the Chicagoland area?

aab4

I actually agree with you!!!

There is hope for me!!!

Safe to say if Looking at a new Van, Toyota Sienna and Honda Odyssey are two great choices.

sanityprevails

aab4 said: "Anyone with half a brain knows that Volvo XC 90 is a safer vehicle."

You agree it is safer = Someone with half a brain?

What about all the people with a whole brain?

hansienna

Agree with isellhondas and blackexv6. I prefer Taffeta White exterior with Silver interior. Silver exterior is not be first choice for exterior but the EX Gray cloth interior looks very nice with the Silver Pearl Metallic Exterior.
     I prefer the appearance of the 5 spoke alloy wheels of the EX to the 10 spoke alloy wheels of the Touring BUT felt the 7 spoke alloy wheels of 2002-2004 EX were the most attractive.
     The 10 spoke alloy wheels look too much like pre-2005 Chrysler T&C Limited wheels.

isellhondas

If you have a reason or desire to go off road you should have a truck or a beefy SUV that is up to the task.

hifisoftware

You in the wrong forum. You should never ever go off road in a low clearance vehicle Ever. Period.

Look for an SUV or even better a vehicle with tracks instead of wheels.

Minivans are not for you.

alamid69

off-road? minivan? somethings wrong here. hmmm... i don't think you can use these words in the same sentence. even with AWD.

mot

I saw the same thing as you with the Sage Brush Pearl, it definitely looks dark gray without much of a green quality to it. This was midday on the lot so lighting was not an issue. Nice but very different than how it looks in the brochure at dealers. Has anyone seen the Slate Green in person? Does the Honda paraphernalia do a good job representing this color?

stickguy

I did notice a flapping noise on my last test drive, but that was from a piece of the white shipping plastic that had peeled up.

It seems that maybe there is a manufacturing problem (loose or misaligned trim, or something like that) that hopefully will be addressed as a running change, or fixed by the dealer. With all the testing that a new car goes through, it seems real unlikely that they would build something with a noticable problem like that intentionally.

I will have to listen closer next time I drive one (maybe for this reason). Although with noises, people have different opintions. Some cars that I think are quiet, others make sound like a boom box.

The other item to check is the roof rack. Sometimes you can get a whistle from that, particularly with crossbars.

kip2

My 05 Odyssey had the same wind noise problem. The dealer found the problem to be a warped cowler under the windshield. Once we snapped it back into place, the wind noise disappeared. They have ordered a replacement cowler.

graystrickland

Cargo area dimensions:
-length (inches): 111
-front width (inches): 68.5
-width between arches (inches): 68.5
-height (inches): 51.2
  
Cargo capacity:
-rear seat down (cu ft): 146.1
-all seats in place (cu ft): 38.1
-all seats removed (cu ft): 170.7
-third row seats removed (cu ft): 88.5

I had asked for the cargo dimensions here before, but nobody responded. Subsequently I found the above on Automotive DOT com.

stever

Please ignore the troll posts. We're trying to swat them as soon as they are posted and have notified legal.

Steve, Host

rorr

"-third row seats removed (cu ft): 88.5"

???

Just wondering how easy it is to REMOVE the third row seats......

revit

Great message!

But please don't bring up the poor RAV4 which you cannot find one with side airbags and without them, it received a POOR rating.

revit

There is a difference between having options and it is another one to actually find a vehicle with those options which is the case with every Toyota.

Honda keeps it simple.

revit

Just a little observation..this is a forum for the Honda Odyssey yet for those who seem to not like it sure do express ALOT of interest in it.

lumbar

I like Honda, I like the Odyssey and I am not here to slam either. I just have problems with forum posts where certain illogical nonsense about commitment to safety is passed off as the gospel truth.

jchan2

Shouldn't we be talking about the redesigned Honda Odyssey and not Honda vs. Toyota: Which one is better?

OK, and for those of you who just plain don't like the Odyssey and are slamming it, just leave. What point are you making by coming in here and praising other minivans and saying the Odyssey is a piece of junk? If you don't like the Odyssey, then just vote with your wallet and get something else.

grayghost

What year Odyssey was that for??
The picture displayed was for the old Odyssey and I didn't find anything for the 2005 Ody.

ace1000

These dimensions cannot be right. Last year the width between the wheel arches and the length behind the front seat were a little bit bigger than a 4'x8' sheet of plywood. Honda added 3inches of legroom to the third seat this year. So the length behind the front seat is probably 101 inches, not 111 inches, and the width between the wheel arches is probably 48.5 inches, not 68.5 inches. The height of 51.2 inches must be from the bottom of the third seat well to the ceiling.

The cargo capacities don't agree with the figures that Honda shows in the Odyssey brochure:

cu.ft. behind 3rd row: 38.4
cu.ft. behind 2nd row: 91.1
cu.ft. behind 1st row: 147.4

ace1000

The owner's video confirms what a previous message said: The ECO light does not show when the engine is running on just 3 cylinders. It is suppose to show the economic operation of the engine when it is running on 6 cylinders as well as when it is running on 3 cylinders. That is why it comes on so often.

graystrickland

On closer inspection, the story at Automotive DOT com was about a 2004. I was confused by the fact that immediatey above the story is an ad/link inviting you to get a price quote on a 2005 model. When you read all the details, it becomes clear that it *must* be about the 2004, because too much is different.

Alas... no back to the hunt for 2005 cargo dimensions (not just cargo volumes).

revit

For those trying to get a good deal on an 04 Honda Odyssey or to go with the redesigned 05 Honda Odyssey; you really cannot go wrong with either.

I noticed that for 2004, Intellichoice name the Best minivan Over $27,000 to the 2004 Honda Odyssey and the Best minivan Under $27,000, also went to the 2004 Honda Odyssey.

Also, it the Top 10 list for Intellichoice, the 2004 Honda Odyssey earned the following:

- Top Winner for Highest Retained Value
- Among the Best for Lowest Depreciation
- Among the Best for Lowest Maintenance
- Among the Best for Lowest Ownership Costs

suio

For most dealers, they are dumping 04 models at $1000+ under invoice. I am working with a local dealer for $1500 under invoice on an 04 EX model.

blackexv6

I pass a Honda dealer everyday on my way to work in SE PA. They have the same 2 Touring, 2 EXL-RES, and 2 EX-L Odys for about three weeks now. None have sold.

Are people waiting for price cuts or is the Sienna beating them out?

stickguy

Just curious, but what area are you in?

Also, are you sure they are the same vans? I seems that the initial batch were only in a few of the colors, so it's possible they sold one and replaced it with another of the same color.

Also possible they have the price jacked up, hoping to get a few suckers to pay a hefty ADM, and will eventually cut the price.

Actually, when I went to the dealer by me last Friday, they had a choice of every model (LX, EX, EX-L and touring) to drive, 8 available in all.

racerx1

I think that the new Odyssey will come down in price very shortly. Honda has plenty of plant capacity (unlike the 2000 launch) and there are competitive substitutes (Sienna, Quest, Pacifica). When the redesigned Ody was launched in 2000, Honda had only one plant (or 1.5 plants)making Odys, and the Ody was clearly head & shoulders above the competition.

Most dealers are selling at MSRP. When I bought my 2000 Ody, some dealers were selling at $1500 above MSRP.