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They did not say how long they will continue the policy of sending a PAX wheel tire assembly to you if you are out of range from a service center. they just mention "during the initial rollout phase".
Warranty: If flat due to road hazard in first 2 years and more than 50% tread remains- you get full free replacement. If between 2 and 6 years and/or more than 50% tread gone it will be pro-rated.
I don't know about replacing with non PAX tires. If I were that concerned with PAX I would go with EX-L because a large part of what you pay for touring is for PAX and by the time you pay for all new wheels and tires you end up paying $6,000 more than an EX-L for a couple thousand worth of upgrades.
Anytime there is new technology there are the people who applaud the changes and those who look for all of the negatives and talk about what **could** happen. I find it interesting to hear both sides. I'm sure Honda thought long and hard and weighed everything before deciding to move forward on this system. Only time will tell if they were right or wrong.
Personally, I think it won't be long before we see many more cars with PAX technology and tire makers then Michelin going to similar systems.
I strongly agree with the previous poster. If this is a concern to you, I wouldn't buy a Touring. After all, nobody really NEEDS the extra features a touring offers.
"Try calling Michelin or Honda" Michelin would refer you to Honda and Honda would refer you to the dealer. And the dealer will tell you that he is not sure what PAX is. There is a reason for the lack of knowledge that you state.
"Anyone who has a decent knowledge of the automotive warranty" this is about Ody not about any other car. Just because in other car you can change wheels does not mean you can do it in Ody. Do you have a relevant piece from Ody warranty to back you claims?
So far, this is what I can figure out:
1. None of the dealers have PAX mounting system. Be prepared to pay 500$ to replace both wheel and tire. Michelin warranty will not apply to the wheel only to the tire.
2. You can not replace wheels with non PAX without voiding warranty.
3. There is no spare and I have seen some info indicating that installing a spar would void you warranty (this was from some other post).
PAX number:1-877-PAX TIRE or 1-877-729-8473
Honda number:1-800-999-1009
see if you can find out more.
I value you opinion, but can you add some facts if you know them?
Can PAX tires be replaced without voiding warranty? If warranty is voided is it a warranty for the car of just sub-system (and which?)
Do you know if there is a "certified/official" tire that can be used as a spare on Touring?
Would an emergency donut make some people feel better?
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Cool.
So PAX has saved me $1.50! :-}
I understand that some may not want to be early adaptors of new technology and that is fine but this repeated claim of having to pay $500 if you get a flat seems a bit extreme. this seems to imply that Honda will say:
"You have a flat and we could replace the tire under warranty but since we don't have the equipment to fix it you have to buy a $500 wheel and tire."
I just don't see Honda wanting to take the PR hit for doing that.
or years in some cases....
What you've figured out is wrong. I've already researched run flat tire systems (Michelin and Pirelli). For Michelin:
1- You will not have to pay for an entire wheel assy within the warranty period unless the wheel is damaged from abuse (hitting a curb,etc..)
2- Car dealers are known to go outside of the norm, so a person should speak with the dealer about going with conventional tires.
3- There is still space for a conventional spare tire in the left rear panel and there is still the conventional jack. If they were against the use of a conventional tire why have the jack and the space for the spare??
The posts from fbear (#1284) and isellhondas (#1285).
- rubber mats
- backup sensors
Are the backup sensors worth the 500 and change dollars they want for it? Also is this a factory or dealer option?
The rubber mats could be nice, and will save wear and tear on the carpeted ones. There are also aftermark ones that are very well designed, but they may not be available yet for the Ody (as a custom fit). I haven't seen the Honda ones though.
You might be ablt to get the mats cheaper on-line, since they qualify as DIY installation.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
never owned a car this big so I am concerned about bumping into thing I would put aftermarket ones if they are cheaper.
I don't pretend to speak for Honda but I would probably be accurate is saying your warranty wouldn't be affected by changing out the PAX wheela and tires unless something else got affected by this.
I don't know why someone bound and determined to have a spare couldn't put one of those temp ones in the space in the back but I'm really not sure so please don't quote me. If I find out anything, I'll report it here.
If the traction control/VSA systems work by constantly measuring the turning rate of each tire (in addition to input regarding steering wheel angle and yaw sensors) would running a temp spare with a smaller diameter (and therefore turning faster than the other 3 wheels) screw up the traction control/VSA? Or is it critical that all 4 tires (3 permanent + 1 temp spare) have the same overall diameter?
Is the overall outside diameter of the PAX tires the same as the standard tires?
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No, you don't need the Touring model to turn on things like auto-lock. However, it is easier with the Touring model, because the Touring has the MID (multifunction information display?) which allows the changes to be made in a more user friendly way.
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Great!!! So I don't need a Tourning to turn them on. How do I do it on an EX-L??? (Step by step please - Because we tried what the quick start guide said but it only tells how to do it with the Touring model MID)
So without "official" spare tire, using a regular wheel as a spare might be a risky proposition, unless 500$ for the new wheel/tire is not a big deal for you.
Speaking of which I've read (not sure if true) that Toyota is selling official spare for AWD Sienna (it's very pricey, but available). Maybe Honda will offer one for Touring?
I own a lot of region 2 DVDs (more specifically, region 2 and PAL). Does anybody know if the DVD player in the Touring model (or others) allow limited or unlimited region changes, and whether it can play PAL in addition to NTSC?
And if not, does anybody know of any joint that can make these modifications? (Which, by the way, are completely legal, but not liked by the movie industry).
I suppose I could always crack the DVDs, reencode the video in NTSC, and burn new DVDs, but that's a lot of work...
Thank you
Luigi
I am about to order a Touring to replace my '02 EX-L (silver/grey).
I prefer the Ivory interior:
a) the two-tone dashboard looks much more upscale
b) I find the grey, well, dark - Ivory makes for a brighter, more luminous interior
Does any of you regret the Ivory interior and which he/she had chosen the grey leather?
Thanks!
Looks more upscale,but this showroom Oddy had significant dirt visible on the seats.It is only a showroom model.The answer is if u have kids,go for grey.
Some say that the tan gets dirty too easily or is too hard to keep clean, but that has not been our experience. We have a ten year old car with a tan leather interior and 150,000 miles. My kids were 10 and 13 when we got it and now drive it. They pile into it with their friends, spill junk food in it, go to beach, go camping, etc. The interior takes a beating but still looks great. The leather is easy to clean, and I clean it maybe once a year. We put another set of mats over the factory ones and an occasional vacuuming takes care of the dirt.
We have some friends who keep the interiors of their cars in a state of disaster. I once tried to pick up a coin from an armrest in one of them but couldn't. I then realized that the coin was submerged in a layer of dried cola. Someone spilled a can of cola and never cleaned it up. A darker interior probably works better for these folks.
Do not replace the PAX system tires and wheels with conventional tires and wheels. Doing so would disable the PAX system and the tire pressure monitoring system (TPMS), and may void your new vehicle warranty.
Note that it says "may", not "will", void the warranty. A mini-spare or snow tires would be conventional tires. A good question to ask the dealer or Honda is what kind of damage is possible if the PAX system is disabled. It doesn't seem as though disabling the TPMS would cause any damage. Another question is whether it is possible to fit conventional tires of the same circumference on the Touring model.
According to the info that came with my 05, it plays only region 1 and region free DVDs that are NTSC
I second that, and note that Honda would not sell me one if I went that route. It is not an option to add to the touring (or any model for that matter) but you can get the tourning console for the EX (not for the LX)
You could try to get it as a replacement part for an EX/EX-L and not have a seatbelt but I would personally not recommend it in anyway shape or form.
I've never owned a car with leather before, but I just traded a 2003 Jetta Wagon in for a new (discounted) 2004 Passat Wagon with Tan leather. I love the tan and I will like the Ivory in the Ody. Earthtones really "warm" up the driving feel and that is important to me.
We now will have leather in both cars because we have kids and I'm convinced that leather is much easier to clean than cloth.
Although there are a few features on the Touring that I would like, I can't see paying such a higher price and the PAX system could turn out to be a flop.
The only thing I don't like is the wasted center space in the front row. I don't need to flip down this center console. I wish it was similar to the one in the Sienna (this is the only thing I like more about the Sienna). The Sienna's has lots of extra space but doesn't flip out of the way.
Honda offers an upgrade to the 2nd row called the "Plus One Console". Anyone know if or how I can upgrade the front row?
That was absolutely brilliant by Honda!
I was being sarcastic, by the way:-)
Not only is it disappointing that Toyota has not made side curtain airbags standard, but they are very difficult to find on the Sienna. The Sienna with all the options you have to add is just too expensive and you still might not get the added safety that Honda makes standard in the Odyssey. Toyota needs to get rid of the numerous variations and make it simple for the consumer. When you go to a Toyota dealership is nearly impossible to find a vehicle equipped the way you one and they force the consumer to either pay for even more options they don't want or need or forgo them all together.
Toyota needs to stop compromising on safety and start making all of typical options consumers want as standard equipment. The problem with this then would be that the Sienna would be even more expensive than already exists the price difference.
Thank you Honda for keeping things simple. When all you have to do is pick the color of a 2005 Honda Odyssey EX costing $28,510, while on the Toyota Sienna XLE costing $29,025, here what you have to consider:
13 different option packages which are expensive (one of them actually costing $8,555) and brings the Sienna to a total grand price of $38,145.
Just look on this site at the comparison of the two vehicles and the demand is accurately reflected in the TMV (What Others Are Paying). The Honda Odyssey is selling at MSRP, but the Toyota Sienna is well below MSRP.
If you need further consideration of value, simply refer to Intellichoice or ConsumerGuide to note who get the best value rating...once again, the benchmark of minivans...the 2005 Honda Odyssey.
The Honda Odyssey receives the highest ranking, while Toyota Sienna receives "recommended" rating as it is on par, but may lack refinement, have a high price, or appeal to limited audiences.
1) Does the Lady Susan rotate when you open the small door (versus the whole access panel)? Went to look at one of the first units to enter Canada (Montréal) and was very surprised of not being able to rotate it. If it, doesn't, then Susan is very lazy... It is much more cumbersome to pull on the whole panel...
2) Touring ride comfort: Is it "better" (whatever that means for you, it is so subjective) or worse than the '02? I only could test drive the EX-L.
3) Touring torque steer: is this real?
Have been following the thread for well over six months...
Thanks.
ggs describes on post #561 "VCM technology is more than just valves opening and closing--it involves a series of processors and monitoring systems..."
What are the chances of this system failing to return to all 6 cyl. when I really need it?
its not green, its grey.
Or anyone for that matter?
Also, does anyone know if you can add the cassette if you get the DVD? They look like they go in the same slot in the lower dash.
Also if the ANC fails, we'll be stuck in an air tight, lux box w/ booomm....bommmmm... type of noice:-)