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marine2: "Ow! Honey, just put down the pan and we can talk about it.. OW! It was just a joke"
So the dealer asked the help from Honda engineers now.
I asked my friends sitting in my car, and they all don't think the "music noise" is from the speaker,
which means it should not generate by the active anti-noise system.
Everyone can hear the noise, so it isn't because of my special ear. The high-pitch, high-frq noise
is always there once the speed is above 30 miles, and becomes clearer or louder when
the car cruise or deaccelerate (the engine and the road make less noise at that time).
I am kind of upset about this. Maybe I should stick on toyota instead of switching to Honda.
my camry(2004), there is a problem. dealer refused to notice the load metal sound. Now it is official toyota gave out a service bulletin saying that it is because of bad ait intake... My dealer still can not hear it...
All machines will have problem. No two would be same. Some time it is just luck...
you may want to switch for the luck factor... :shades:
Anyone knows if its appropriate to begin using 5W-20 Synthetic Oil starting the first oil change (after break-in period)?
I recall seeing in the Owner's Guide states "...not to change the oil sooner than what is recommended...", I assume that would be after 7500 miles or 6 months...correct?
Can't see any reason why synthetic couldn't replace the factory oil then.
1. Unable to switch from map to audio at times
2. DVD screen in back is blank sometimes. Was delivered in that condition and later supposed fixed but still has same problems
3. On drivers side sliding door, I found a loose bolt and another bolt that was not flush with the frame. Dealer told me loose bolt did not come out of a hole? Worker in the plant left it there?
Overall I am happy with the car but a bit disappointed in these problems and response from my dealer. I was also told that this particular batch of vans was rushed out of the factory last year from Alabama due to impending hurricanes?
Rob
My mechanics teacher taught in his classes that to prevent the metal debris of the new engine--as a result of the break-in process--from scratching the pistons, cylinder walls, and the rings, one should change oil once during the break-in period and again at the end to the break-in. It seems to make sense.
Can somebody inform Honda that TPMS is NOT a luxury feature but a SAFETY issue. Honda is plastering ads touting safety all over the place. Yet, Honda balks at including a TPMS in every trim level the cost of which is only $70 (NHTSA estimate).
Honda needs to implement TPMS in every trim level. Safety should be for everyone, not just those who can afford to spend $35 K on a Touring model.
Touring models are readily available for under $32,000 (street price).
Apparently NHTSA does not believe in personal accountability?
When my wife and children got in the vehicle I did not know that I had a flat (or low tire). We were at a birthday party and were leaving when all was said and done. We were near the highway and were about to get on the on-ramp when our TPMS went off telling us we had a flat (I think it gives an alarm at anything under 28).
While a TPMS does not have as a dramatic effect as side curtain air bags, I was glad to discover the flat going 20mph on a side road rather than 70pmh on the highway. Maybe I would have noticed it anyway and pulled over, but I know my wife wouldn’t have.
However, I do agree that it should not be made mandatory.
My mechanics teacher taught in his classes that to prevent the metal debris of the new engine--as a result of the break-in process--from scratching the pistons, cylinder walls, and the rings, one should change oil once during the break-in period and again at the end to the break-in. It seems to make sense.
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Normally you are correct. However, I believe that Honda's factory installed oil contains special additives designed to properly break in your vehicle. It would be a bad idea to replace the oil prematurely. I don't know of any other car manu that do this.
What's that?
Oh, I guess nowdays, we have to have a system to warn us of any potential problem. It's not enough to simply look at or check our tires once in awhile.
Not important to me either and I DON'T check my tires very often. I do walk around and look at them once in awhile.
The bad part is, folks these days will drive around with a flat and not notice. My daughter recently destroyed an expensive tire on her Celica GTS because she didn't notice her tire was flat for a good mile or so. Maybe the loud music didn't help. But this is a smart pre-med student, that unfortunetely doesn't pay a bit of attention to how a car drives after the key is turned. I can tell if a tire is a couple pounds low, but I raced for many years and tend to notice things. We've got to be protected from ourselves as well as everything else I guess.....
Hey, don't blame journalists. Journalism just reflects society. I was a reporter for a D.C. newspaper in the 80s and we wrote for 8th grade back then. It has gone on a long time. I hate to say it, but the general public isn't very smart.
And back in the early 80s I worked at a neighborhood theatre where we had to count out change. When new applicants for jobs came in, that was one of the tests. We used to delight in giving them math problems to solve in their heads and watching them squirm. We were bad. :P
But back to Odys ... it is surprising that more people do not realize that EPA estimates are "best of all possible world" estimates.
The last time I had a flat was, well let me think.... Oh yes, last week when my dear wife accidentally drove into an overly-ambitiously-sloped street drain. She heard the aluminum wheel grinding on the curb-level concrete followed immediately by a loud whoosh. She had the presence of mind to drive only another 3 feet or so before stopping. We were blessed that the spare donut was properly inflated, all the tools worked as designed, the wheel was neither cracked nor bent (though it has more texture now along one edge than previously), and it was only the valve stem knocked loose that was the problem (fixed free at a certain discount merchant of tires whom I bless).
My last experience was with the very expensive tires I had put on my '95 Civic that for some reason (the rain-channeling tread perhaps?) tended to suck up nails and embed them into the tire: I had 4 such near-flats fixed in under a year. In those cases, my "what's-that-noise/bumping?" neurosis served me well....
Odysseys are (to stay on topic) much smarter now!
I'll take TPMS all the time. My only regret is, I bought 2005 ODY EX without it. After paying thousands of dollars, Honda is too "greedy" I may say, not to include a lousy $35 TPMS unless I buy the touring!
We just purchased a 2005 Odyssey EX last week. Love the car.
I was wondering if any one else feels that the head rests for the driver and front passenger seats are set too far forward to be comfortable? Both my wife and I were not comfortable with the position of the head rests until I re-shaped the support rods to move the rests back about ½ inch.
Sailorich.
If that's true, send me there. I'm ready to get another Odyssey.
Modifying their position may also have your head landing at odd angles during an accident and neck comfort may never be possible after such an accident.
I do recall seeing some drivers driving in a reclined position, but their vehicle is usually wrecked in the front end. :shades:
Where do you get the "greedy" part? TPMS are pretty new technology. do you expect Honda or anyone else to immediately jump on this and rush to install this on all models?
And I don't think the majority of people even care about TPMS.. I know I sure don't!
So I'm not crazy about TPMS, since my chances of getting a flat tire are pretty slim.
availablestandard on big barges like the ody. But then, honda can no longer rip us off in the sale of factory touch-up paint.I also think honda should put a barebone nav in the ody, standard, which is all the rage right now in europe
Honda, along with other minivan makers can make most everything standard. But just because they could be standard, doesn't mean your not going to pay for them. They would just keep jacking up the price until some would be priced out of the market.
Three points:
First - a 'barebone nav' would essentially be an electronic map. I know how to read a map. If I am WANT a nav, I'm pay for it. If I DON'T want a nav, even a 'barebone' one, why should I pay for it? If YOU want a barebone nav, go buy one.
Second - what do you think the big differences between a 'barebone nav' and a full-blown nav would be? Any and all hardware required for a full blown nav would also be needed for a barebone one. The difference? Programming and the amount of info (memory) required for the full-blown version. Where do you think any huge cost savings would come from between a bare-bones version and a full boat version?
Third - there are lots of things which are/have been the 'rage' in Europe. However, I don't let any European 'rages' dictate my personal decisions.
And it would make sense to make, as standard equipment, something which is currently about a $2k option on the EX-L and Touring? Personally, I don't see it. I'm not saying no LX buyers are interested in NAV (or at least a
cheapinexpensive version); what I'm saying is that for that 10% of LX buyers who may want NAV, there are plenty of inexpensive aftermarket versions available.I don't know how much a full blown nav costs, but the above mentioned nav can be had as an accessory in a toyota echo (anywhere but here of course), so I don't think nav should be viewed as an luxury item.
Easy, no one is telling you what to do from across the pond(s), they stopped preaching to us when they saw our expeditions and hummers
It's not like side airbags or sunroof or some item which is difficult/time consuming to get aftermarket. If a buyer WANTS a cheap gps nav system, they can just troop on down to BestBuy/CircuitCity and buy one. So why force people who DON'T want one to pay for one?
"the above mentioned nav can be had as an accessory in a toyota echo"
Great. Super. The key words are as an accessory. You want a nav offered as an accessory on the Odyssey? I'm 100% behind you. I just don't think it should be standard equipment.
"Easy, no one is telling you what to do from across the pond(s), they stopped preaching to us when they saw our expeditions and hummers"
Ha! If only that were true.....
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It still isn't as good as the OEM one, but it sure costs A LOT less.
When I see a NAV system, I see a piece of transitional technology that will either be (i) obsolete/out of date or (ii) require it to be working perfectly (unlikely) - by the time I wish to sell the vehicle.
If these things are so important, buy an aftermarket system that can be whipped out when you sell. Any OEM NAV system will be like an Albatross around your neck when you sell in 3 years time.
Actually, the contrary is true. Financial institutions are already building higher residuals for NAV systems than other luxury options. The reason? Manufacturers have seen the demand and are revving up to offer/feature NAV in all vehicles. In five years, it will be very common even on cheap cars therefore any used vehicle without it will be at a clear disadvantage. It will also be tremendously cheaper as the software/mapping are only produced by a couple companies and the economies of scale will bring the prices down significantly. There have been extensive articles in Automotive News concerning this.
They are also easily upgraded since they're DVD based.
sebring95, I don't doubt your statement one bit. My point is that youre dealing with a piece of technology that will either "age" fast or just "break down". How many of us have ever tried to sell a 3 year old piece of comsumer electronics through eBay?
I would bet that if consumers really want this product, then, like ICE, the aftermarket suppliers will corner the market not the original manufacturers.
My own feeling is that nothing dates faster than the newest technology. What is "cutting edge" today, is "old hat" tomorrow.
Portable system saves money but the in-dash is a lot better to use. Digital technology will keep on changing , if you wait for it to mature, you'll wait for ever. In less then five years, my portable nav will be worth as much as any portable CD player is these days.