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Without TPMS there is NO "safety for everyone".
Although someone is careful enough to check the tire pressure before starting a long drive, there is always the possibility that the pressure will change in between stops . I sometime drive 70-75 mph on a freeway with hundreds of cars and trucks around me, for hours not knowing the actual pressure on the tires.
I remember one time, along I-280 in the Bay Area, when my brother saw a car in front of him suddenly flipped over and burst into flames. A blown out tire was the main culprit. Why the blowout? Was it sudden change in tire pressure? Was it slow agonizing decrease in tire pressure ? Nobody knew at that time. However, with TPMS, maybe, just maybe one life could have been saved. He maybe someone else's brother, father or grandfather who will be enjoying the Fathere's Day this weekend! I was glad it was not my brother.
So, TPMS is really worth buying in my opinion. $75.00 is nothing if you are getting a $27k minivan. I am glad TPMS, I think will be a mandatory feature in the next few years (that is what I heard).
Also does it really automatically lock after 15 or 30 seconds when the all doors are closed and you did not lock it with the key remote?
I have a Ody 2005 EXL w/ Nav and Res. does mine come with the alarm? I know it has the immobilizer. I just cant identify if I have the alarm...
The Government has stated that TPMS is not an "optional" or "luxury" feature. TPMS is a safety feature just like Airbags, Traction control etc.
It is sad and incomprehensible that Honda which has shown leadership by making safety features standard, offers TPMS only on the most expensive trim level.
Which at retail will translate to about $300-$525. Are you ready to pay the extra amount? Most people won't.
It does not. You can buy it now for $22,750 new and add a rack for $250. Any car, no matter how well it holds price will loose quite a chuck the second you drive it off the lot (unless it is in a real demand with long waiting lists).
Your comment on seats is quite odd to me, but stranger things happen to people. Odyssey seat is not that much different from any other.
If you are indeed that sensitive, there are many places where you can custom fit the seat for quite less money then you will loose on the sale. Lot of places to do custom foam work.
Or just find some good mechanic nearby and fit yourself some Momo or Sparco with a 5 point harness. That would be a cool looking minivan.
Or just rip the lumbar support out yourself and get one of those orthopedic cushions on top of it.
It'll only go off when you try to open the door, not when you try to unlock it.
Hope this helps.
"I'm not saying they would charge $500. Just noting that $75 cost isn't $75 retail...."
The concept of "retail" does not apply here. Honda is not going to go to Auto Zone or Walmart to buy parts for the TPMS system! Honda negotiates the prices with its supplier(s). This price is dictated by the number of units Honda is willing to order or commit to.
If anything, the concept of "wholesale" applies here i.e. the more units Honda buys the lower the price.
Here is some food for thought:
If the Toyota Sienna can offer TPMS in the LE trim level, why not Honda Ody EX?
Please let me know if you have the answer.
Please let me know if you have the answer. "
I guess that the same can be said of the dual power electric sliders in the Ody EX vs the single slider on the Sienna. It all boils down to cost and to what the manufacturers perceive as more important to the customers at large. Personally, I believe that most customer prefer the convenience of dual sliders, given the choice.
In any product, one can have almost anything if you are prepared to pay the price.
Exactly.
What some people just can't seem to understand is the fact that the feature they just think is SO IMPORTANT is of little concern to the masses.
One car has this so they think that every car should come equipped the same way. TPMS is a great example of this. I know I couldn't care less about having this on my car.
The TPMS in the Sienna (all levels of the Sienna) is a fairly primitive system in that it DOESN'T actually measure tire pressures. What is does is measure tire rotational speeds using the ABS sensors. A tire which is low in pressure has a slightly smaller diameter and will therefore rotate slightly faster than the other tires. If the TPMS system in the Sienna detects a SINGLE tire rotating slightly faster, it indicates this is a "low" tire. However, if you have MORE than one tire which is slightly low, the system won't detect a problem. In other words, you STILL MUST MANUALLY check your tires periodically if you own a Sienna. But, since Sienna owners are told they have TPMS, how many do you think take the time to check?
What you get for your $75 is peace of mind and little else. A system which monitors the actual tire pressure in each tire is NOT a $75 system.
I've got a different question for you:
Which would you consider to be more important - rollover sensors which will inflate the STANDARD side curtain airbags and keep them inflated during a rollover event (Odyssey) or a TPMS system which can only detect a single tire which is low in air pressure (Sienna).
Personally, I can manually check my tires to ensure I don't have a problem. I can't manually activate my airbags during a rollover event to protect my family. So the question becomes, how much does a rollover sensor cost and why isn't it standard in the Sienna?
Or are you of the opinion that ALL POSSIBLE safety features should be standard equipment in all cars?
The original poster noted the NHTSA said that adding a TPMS to a vehicle would cost - note cost - the auto maker about $75. That is wholesale.
When I say retail, I'm talking about the actual MSRP added to the sticker price of the vehicle for the system. If Honda were to add a TPMS without removing any other features, you would see the MSRP of that feature to be about 4-7 times their actual product cost (to cover engineering, labor, et al). Honda - or any manufacturer for that matter - isn't going to be satisfied to make $5 on it. It doesn't fit into the profit formula they have to meet.
If the Toyota Sienna can offer TPMS in the LE trim level, why not Honda Ody EX?
I'll concur - why are power doors optional on the LE?
Can the seats slide forward with a car seat installed if you use the Latch system? Or must the seat fold foward then slide (i.e. not something you can do with 2 car seats).
The more "toys" or features you have on any car, the higher the probability of a failure. That is the law of reliability no-one can change. One can add redundant systems in place to increase uptime or availability, but there is still that smaller probability of that feature being non-functional and hence a failure.
One chooses a "toy" or feature because of the convenience or pleasure it provides, but one will have to live with its consequences.
That is true of our lives where there are consequences for our actions or choices we make.
The reader's digest version is that they replaced the brake pads post haste. I had reminded them that I had the EXACT same problem with my 2000 Ody, also within a few months of our purchase, and at that time, they also replaced the pads due to a service bulletin. I wonder if this is not a common thing. BTW, my service receipt notes the technician found a "hard spot" on the brake pads.
It feels like I have had an awful lot of issues with this '05 Ody in the few months I've owned it, but....man do I love this car. It's a peach. I can't imagine driving any other minivan.
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Has anyone ever tried using 'non-Honda' wireless headphones with the factory installed RES? I heard some RCA infra-reds work. There are also UHF models as well.
Please advise with the exact make and model of an aftermarket unit. Thanks in advance!!
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There are a few on Ebay. They Factory headsets are $69 (+ship) on Ebay.
Basically, I was told that the maintenance minder will display what service needs to be done at the next oil change. The codes (at least for my exl) are in the manual. This give you a few thousand mile heads up what needs to be done the next time the oil is changed. I dont think dealers like this since that cant push their severe intervals.
Where'd you get that? Mine says to change the oil when the monitor tells you to, right from day one. From what I've gathered, the consensus is you should leave the initial break-in oil in until it tells you to change it. I'm at 2400 miles and 65% oil. I won't be changing mine until it tells me to. It knows your driving style and adjusts for that. It's not anything new. GM has been using this in their trucks for years. My Tahoe would usually send me for service between 5k-7k miles, unless I was towing then it was lower.
If you're ever in doubt about it, run it through until it tells you to have the oil changed. Then send the oil in for testing. I've done this on other vehicles and even well in excess of the recommend intervals (my VW calls for 10k intervals, i've gone 15k before with good test results). It only costs about $20 and should at least put your mind at ease and maybe save you money instead of prematurely changing the oil.
Mailings from DaimlerChrysler suggest a $469.95 service (30,000 Mile Interval Maintenance) for my 2002 T&C LX but the owner's manual suggests MUCH less (Oil and Oil Filter change and check air filter if I recall correctly). The bill for this service was $49.32 which included the sales tax.
I do NOT rotate tires and have never had the front end alined on my 2002 T&C that now has 35K miles. Tires look good for another 25 to 35 K miles and the rear tires have almost as much tread as when new.
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Where did you send the oil to be tested??
I called honda-usa twice and got two different answers. Has anyone seen the codes before the 15% oil life...
You can get them at most auto stores, but I buy bulk synthetic from the link below and get the test kits from them. I semi-routinely test oil on my diesel pickups which haul at their max or beyond regularly. I also test my VW diesel occassionaly as the mileage is getting up there. I'm not planning on testing the Honda, but if you do let us know what you find out.
http://store.avlube.com/oilanalysiskit.html
I didn't know the minder (I ahve an EX-L) showed other codes, but I do think it showed an "A" someplace. I knew that I wasn't doing anything but oil, so it doesn't really matter to me.
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Do you have the cloth or leather interior?
http://www.safercar.gov/
See the "Safety Concern" they note in bold letters. Shame on Honda.
So, let me see, your wife gets hit driving it, she's ejected and killed....
If you don't skip this vehicle for that reason, you aren't human !