shifty will certainly have strong opinions. But, I bet the "minor" issues they gloss over are still probably 1-2K to fix!
The red one is scarier to me for some reason, but I love the current bid ($501.52). I'm tempted to go on and bid it up to $501.53!
And yes, most of them were ATs, and there were issues with some of the earier years that were later corrected, but I don't recall the details. Just buy cheap, and hope nothing breaks for a while.
I like this one. For some reason I just like wagons, and the 70-72 Chelles are my favorite domestic passenger car (excluding ponys and sports cars) of the era, actually ust about the only ones I can stand).
The guy would do better finishing the cloning (who wants a ripped up bench seat?), but the BIN is too high IMO.
Oh yeah, bad AC could set you back $1K-2K, no problem, if say the compressor were bad or the whole system were contaminated.
Most 928s WERE automatic and for the early cars this is probably better for most people. The car loses its thrill with the auto, but the twin-disk clutch on the early cars needs to be done "just right", by a knowledgable wrench--which doesn't mean a 911 mechanic or a guy with a German accent and an attitude. It means somebody who knows and likes 928s. My clutch is very smooth but most aren't.
78-79 were prototype cars and should be avoided. With a 928, the newer you can afford, the better....but if you get a good one from the get-go, they'll run literally forever. None of us have ever seen a blown 928 motor but we have seen head gaskets go out when the driver overheats and "just drives another 60 miles" to get home.
The auction car seems a bit raggedy-assed. Biggest problem is repainting over white. If you could buy it for a grand, never touch it, and punch the gas and go YAHOO for a year...hey, that's okay.
But this is not the old 928 you want to invest in. At least go find a more original car.
Someday these cars will be worth something, but not yet.
What's a REALLY nice one of these worth, maybe $5000? Here's one that definitely needs some paint work, and likely engine work, but it looks like a good start (complete, running, original):
Pristine = 5K, good solid presentable driver that needs nothing = 3500, so there's no upside. But if you do all the work yourself, and aren't looking for profit, it could be worse. Also a good deal for a parts car. Beware of those carbs.
What did this "old lady" do? Deliver coal on Sundays?
Another car that should be free. I JUST saw a very clean one-owner 250C with all maintenance records and three year old paint job---very sharp car and I think $3,500 would definitely take it.....so why bother with a $500 pile of parts?
Drove that Audi S4 today -- the car is very quick, faster than my 928 by what feels like a good margin. A bit too quiet for me but maybe that can be fixed. :P
this bugs me on Ebay. People put big no reserve banners up, then put a hight opening bid. If you have to bid at least that amount, then there is a reserve!
I agree with lemmer - the seller is certainly high on something if he believes that someone would plunk down that much money for that car. Every mile you drive it diminishes the value.
I gotta believe that there are many examples of gen-1 MR-2's out there that can be picked up for not much scratch and be perfectly serviceable as a weekend toy.
new it was way cheaper than that! To me, even the high bid (12.5K) is too much. As noted, if you pay for the low miles, you will take a bath if you drive it.
But, it just might be the nicest original example anywhere, so if you relaly want one, what the heck it's only money (just not mine).
I worry more since it only was driven about 200 miles a year on average - why bother to own it? Of course, that assumes it is legit.
I'd like to know more about your prospective S4, if you don't mind me asking...How many miles does it have, is most of the car stock, are the maintenance records there?
It's got 116K, nice looking car. There are a few issues that will be taken care of prior to sale...the owner has an Audi/Porsche repair facility, so the records are good.
My only "complaint" about the car is that it doesn't sound or look anywhere near as ferocious as it is---also it smells like an old German car inside, and there is a tint on the rear door glass and rear windshield. I hate tinting that has that kind of blue/purpley hue to it.
Just debating here whether to rehab the 928 for $3K (mechanicals, tires, detailing, new seat covering and padding, and cocoa floor mats) or spring for a new/old car-that-costs-a-lot-to-fix for $7,500. Theoretically the Audi has all been gone through and won't be bad to me, but......
I'd like this truck but the price is....well....about 4 times what it's worth. This is the kind of deal I'd just hover around and wait him out. My dream has always been to put a more modern 6 cylinder in there with vintage air and go tour the USA.
......ad is funny!! I love 'I don't want to part it out, so don't ask.' What, of any real value, is there to 'part out' of a shell of a car that has no engine/trans, missing most of the interior and has no body trim whatsoever? Oh, this is even better: 'The car has a good body from what I can tell, there does not appear to be any repaired body damage', then goes on to explain the welding, rust repair, body filler and existing rear and engine compartment damage. Uuuhhmmm, OK. And who the hell buys one of these from Illinois (I wouldn't and I live here) and takes it to California? Just a little bass ackwards.
Methinks this is as little of a car as is allowed to sit in his driveway without being towed away by the local authorities! Needless to say, $2100 is about three times crazy; how much is a nice one worth?
That '63 (seller refers to as a '64) Cadillac seems like a relative bargain. I mean, nice ones aren't worth all that much, so an over-restoration would be a mistake, but at least the interior and body look decent and intact, and seller claims engine and trans are good. I think, especially on cars like Cadillacs that have lots of electrics and fancy trim, that the interiors end up being a BIG pain and expense that many amateur restorers don't consider.
I know this is probably predictable on my part, but I love that '60 Dart! I actually prefer the larger Matador and Polara, which have nicer grilles (the Dart's grille makes me think of that walrus-looking dude on "Futurama" or various monsters in the original "Outer Limits"), longer wheelbases, and a stretched-out rear deck with fins that actually end short of the rear of the car. But those Darts are pretty cool.
And compared to a 1960 Plymouth, they're drop-dead gorgeous! :P Those things were very popular for Dodge when they were new, too. IIRC, Dodge sales jumped from something like 156,000 in 1959 to around 370,000 for 1960. Dart sales were actually higher than the full-sized Plymouths, and Dodge would've probably outsold Plymouth that year were it not for the Valiant, of which Dodge had no equivalent that year.
I like that 1960 Dodge as well, but it's not remotely as wierd as the '61 with its reverse slanted fins! The '63 Cadillac is tempting. A common place for these cars to rust was the lower front fender ends as they're a good place to catch a lot of crud.
that could be a fun project. For some reason, I alwys liked TVRs like this, except it would have to be a convertible, and they ruined it putting in that Ford tranny. The engine was probably an improvement, but I wonder how well it fit, and what it did to the balance of the car (extra weight up front).
Wonder how hard it is to find the missing parts?
I'm sure this unit is a bath waiting to happen (once you got it painted, completed and sorted out), but what the heck.
I'm headed to far eastern WA in about an hour, so maybe I'll find some good project cars...things don't rust there hardly at all. I'll have my camera with me.
Other than the price, I really like that pickup as well. I suppose I should probably get my truck restored before I seriously consider any newcomers....
Hey.... would anyone consider this for a project "car" at $25K? Two new Mercury V8 engines and in great shape. Could use reupholstering, new carpet, and a paint job above the water line..... 1979 Marinette. Comes with quad axle goose neck trailer and "oversize load" signs... if you have a truck to haul it!!!! :P
I would if I actually had the time to use it.... my grandparents own this boat and have wanted to sell it for years, but they want substantially more for it and nobody will invest that much in a 26 year old boat with a small "fishing" deck. I keep telling them to drop their price, but they go back to the "do you know how much we've invested in it?!" argument. I tell them that price is dictated by the market, but who am I? :sick:
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Nah it's overpriced. Your grandparents need to see what you can buy for $25K and that will sober them up I think. It's probably worth $8K-$12K at the most.
Hmmm... Maybe regional variations? I imagine the markets are a lot different as far as what people buy/want down in the L48. This is not a lake vessel, though I imagine it could be used for that.
A friend of mine just purchased a Bayliner (worthless for Alaska waters) for more than that and it was smaller in length, width, had ONE engine (I'd never take a one-engine boat on the ocean), and needed some fairly serious redecorating/upholstering. I told him he was nuts, but he got a "good deal" compared to a lot of the boats out there. I didn't say too much because it was his money.
8K would be giving it away. I cannot agree with you on that one. Oh, but maybe you're on the right track with the 12K suggestion assuming no trailer. The trailer is probably close to half the value. While nobody has been too interested in buying the boat itself at the price they want (Last I heard they had gone DOWN to $42K), many have begged and pleaded to get the trailer. :confuse: I can think of maybe one time a year when I would use a trailer that large.
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that guage is kinda funky. What is that pump like gizmo it is atached to (with the hose that runs up to the console)? Scary in some ways, but a sharp looking car.
Well I'm no boat expert. I only know what you can buy for that in California, so you may be right about regional differences. Still, there's nothing quite so weak in the marketplace as an old boat needing work. Regardless of region, any object for sale be it boat or car has to speak for itself.
Just because people put money into something doesn't mean that increases the value of it.
PORSCHE 928 -- looks like a real nice car. Might be worth more than the equivalent year domestic 928 due to vast power increase. Don't bring it to California though, it won't pass smog regulations unless you have DOT/EPA papers and stickers affixed. I'll track it and see what it sells for. It's nicer than mine at any rate.
MONDIAL -- to put it bluntly, you'd be freakin' nuts to buy a Ferrari like this on the blind.
I bet that baby can swap ends real quick. Awful lot of weight hanging way out the back. At least it looks like a tidy install, but not much room to spare back there.
I was wondering that was well. It all fits in there when it is open, but I am not so sure that a bungie cord was one of those miscellaneous "accessories" the seller failed to mention..... :P
He got it all in there, sighed with satisfaction at his handy work, and then started looking over the wiring diagrams. "Hmm.... maybe I should sell this car....."
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what kind of handling and weight distribution nightmare would hanging a Chevy 350 out the rear end of a Porsche do to it? While the Chevy smallblock is physically compact and its claim to fame is the low reciprocating mass, one oft-forgotten "feature" of the Chevy smallblock is that it's heavy. I have no idea how much the original Porsche engine weighed, but I'm sure it's a lot lighter than a Chevy smallblock! :surprise:
In highly technical terms, it would do "bad things". You need quick hands to catch one of these bad boys coming around, and there ain't no electronic nannys to do it for you.
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Corvair ragtop
Sound looking Buick
We should have a rule against pink cars.
The Buick looks pretty good, but maybe the price is a little high.
Buick looks like a good starting point, but is a bit pricey to me.
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Lots of brown fur in this one.
Big Caddy - goes but doesn't stop
The red one is scarier to me for some reason, but I love the current bid ($501.52). I'm tempted to go on and bid it up to $501.53!
And yes, most of them were ATs, and there were issues with some of the earier years that were later corrected, but I don't recall the details. Just buy cheap, and hope nothing breaks for a while.
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The guy would do better finishing the cloning (who wants a ripped up bench seat?), but the BIN is too high IMO.
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I don't have a problem with an SS conversion on this since there never was an SS wagon to begin with. Make mine red with black SS stripes please.
Most 928s WERE automatic and for the early cars this is probably better for most people. The car loses its thrill with the auto, but the twin-disk clutch on the early cars needs to be done "just right", by a knowledgable wrench--which doesn't mean a 911 mechanic or a guy with a German accent and an attitude. It means somebody who knows and likes 928s. My clutch is very smooth but most aren't.
78-79 were prototype cars and should be avoided. With a 928, the newer you can afford, the better....but if you get a good one from the get-go, they'll run literally forever. None of us have ever seen a blown 928 motor but we have seen head gaskets go out when the driver overheats and "just drives another 60 miles" to get home.
The auction car seems a bit raggedy-assed. Biggest problem is repainting over white. If you could buy it for a grand, never touch it, and punch the gas and go YAHOO for a year...hey, that's okay.
But this is not the old 928 you want to invest in. At least go find a more original car.
Someday these cars will be worth something, but not yet.
http://chicago.craigslist.org/car/104968257.html
Not my favorite Benz, but kinda cool nonetheless.
Another car that should be free. I JUST saw a very clean one-owner 250C with all maintenance records and three year old paint job---very sharp car and I think $3,500 would definitely take it.....so why bother with a $500 pile of parts?
Drove that Audi S4 today -- the car is very quick, faster than my 928 by what feels like a good margin. A bit too quiet for me but maybe that can be fixed. :P
Audi V8 - cheap but not inexpensive.
More like it - a nice looking S4. Seems to need a lot.
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I agree with lemmer - the seller is certainly high on something if he believes that someone would plunk down that much money for that car. Every mile you drive it diminishes the value.
I gotta believe that there are many examples of gen-1 MR-2's out there that can be picked up for not much scratch and be perfectly serviceable as a weekend toy.
But, it just might be the nicest original example anywhere, so if you relaly want one, what the heck it's only money (just not mine).
I worry more since it only was driven about 200 miles a year on average - why bother to own it? Of course, that assumes it is legit.
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He should take the money bid and RUN to the bank.
My only "complaint" about the car is that it doesn't sound or look anywhere near as ferocious as it is---also it smells like an old German car inside, and there is a tint on the rear door glass and rear windshield. I hate tinting that has that kind of blue/purpley hue to it.
Just debating here whether to rehab the 928 for $3K (mechanicals, tires, detailing, new seat covering and padding, and cocoa floor mats) or spring for a new/old car-that-costs-a-lot-to-fix for $7,500. Theoretically the Audi has all been gone through and won't be bad to me, but......
Read this: brentwoodvolvo, "Real-World Trade-In Values" #7445, 26 May 2002 11:03 pm
Good heavens.
Anybody want to hear about the UFO rear brakes?
Ugh.
-Mathias
(I'm not making this up).
Here's a possibility:
http://www.craigslist.org/sby/car/105089756.html
Another maybe but some questions here, like what about the wiring for the modern engine in the old car?
http://www.craigslist.org/eby/car/105043983.html
This person needs to be slapped silly:
http://www.craigslist.org/nby/car/105028957.html
I'd like this truck but the price is....well....about 4 times what it's worth. This is the kind of deal I'd just hover around and wait him out. My dream has always been to put a more modern 6 cylinder in there with vintage air and go tour the USA.
http://www.craigslist.org/eby/car/104877349.html
Methinks this is as little of a car as is allowed to sit in his driveway without being towed away by the local authorities! Needless to say, $2100 is about three times crazy; how much is a nice one worth?
That '63 (seller refers to as a '64) Cadillac seems like a relative bargain. I mean, nice ones aren't worth all that much, so an over-restoration would be a mistake, but at least the interior and body look decent and intact, and seller claims engine and trans are good. I think, especially on cars like Cadillacs that have lots of electrics and fancy trim, that the interiors end up being a BIG pain and expense that many amateur restorers don't consider.
And compared to a 1960 Plymouth, they're drop-dead gorgeous! :P Those things were very popular for Dodge when they were new, too. IIRC, Dodge sales jumped from something like 156,000 in 1959 to around 370,000 for 1960. Dart sales were actually higher than the full-sized Plymouths, and Dodge would've probably outsold Plymouth that year were it not for the Valiant, of which Dodge had no equivalent that year.
I like that 1960 Dodge as well, but it's not remotely as wierd as the '61 with its reverse slanted fins! The '63 Cadillac is tempting. A common place for these cars to rust was the lower front fender ends as they're a good place to catch a lot of crud.
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Wonder how hard it is to find the missing parts?
I'm sure this unit is a bath waiting to happen (once you got it painted, completed and sorted out), but what the heck.
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Hey.... would anyone consider this for a project "car" at $25K? Two new Mercury V8 engines and in great shape. Could use reupholstering, new carpet, and a paint job above the water line..... 1979 Marinette. Comes with quad axle goose neck trailer and "oversize load" signs... if you have a truck to haul it!!!! :P
I would if I actually had the time to use it.... my grandparents own this boat and have wanted to sell it for years, but they want substantially more for it and nobody will invest that much in a 26 year old boat with a small "fishing" deck. I keep telling them to drop their price, but they go back to the "do you know how much we've invested in it?!" argument. I tell them that price is dictated by the market, but who am I? :sick:
A friend of mine just purchased a Bayliner (worthless for Alaska waters) for more than that and it was smaller in length, width, had ONE engine (I'd never take a one-engine boat on the ocean), and needed some fairly serious redecorating/upholstering. I told him he was nuts, but he got a "good deal" compared to a lot of the boats out there. I didn't say too much because it was his money.
8K would be giving it away.
I actually like Mondials, but I would have a lot of questions about this one.
It is hard to find a luxury convertible for less than these old Infinitis.
Same goes for Q45s for a V8 luxury sedan. Surely it is cheaper to run than an Audi V8.
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Just because people put money into something doesn't mean that increases the value of it.
PORSCHE 928 -- looks like a real nice car. Might be worth more than the equivalent year domestic 928 due to vast power increase. Don't bring it to California though, it won't pass smog regulations unless you have DOT/EPA papers and stickers affixed. I'll track it and see what it sells for. It's nicer than mine at any rate.
MONDIAL -- to put it bluntly, you'd be freakin' nuts to buy a Ferrari like this on the blind.
Let's hope the first 200 MPH guinea pig updates the fine Cooper Cobra tires.
I bet that baby can swap ends real quick. Awful lot of weight hanging way out the back. At least it looks like a tidy install, but not much room to spare back there.
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I also starting wondering if the decklid will actually close.
He got it all in there, sighed with satisfaction at his handy work, and then started looking over the wiring diagrams. "Hmm.... maybe I should sell this car....."
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