VW TDI Settlement - buying a TDI now

qbrozen

Can't wait to get out of mine. Its killing my back.

28firefighter

I still like the A3, but if I had to pick between that or my GTI, the GTI wins every time. 

I did throw a coat of wax on the A3 today because it was becoming abundantly clear it hadn't seen one since it was driven off the lot as a new car. 

corvette

The A3 looks great. I haven't waxed the Murano since I bought it earlier this year. Unfortunately, since I'm driving it, it sits parked outside for now, since I have a one car garage and a one lane driveway. The JSW goes in the garage. Once the JSW goes, the Murano will go back in the garage.

fintail

I see it has the "blade" (as I call them) wheels, those are cool. Also fun to see old and new Seattle in the pic.

andres3

28firefighter said:

I still like the A3, but if I had to pick between that or my GTI, the GTI wins every time. 

I did throw a coat of wax on the A3 today because it was becoming abundantly clear it hadn't seen one since it was driven off the lot as a new car. 

I like the wheels (a lot), the paint quality now that you waxed it, and the blue color.

28firefighter

My GTI gets a coat of wax once a month or so. 

Wife's car will always go in the garage, or so I've been told. 

@fintail our street is slowly losing all of the old Seattle homes. The house next door is actually a duplex on a relatively large lot. I don't give it too much longer before a developer makes an offer that is too good to refuse and it disappears. We've seen 4 homes on our block replaced with modern townhomes in the last 12 months. 

stickguy

I love that blue color.

wax every month? wow. I am lucky I keep to my 2x a year schedule (early spring to clean off any remnants of winter, and in the fall to clean off any summer stuff and prepare for the winter onslaught.

fintail

None with ample parking, no doubt. Some funny zoning approval happens in that city.

Seattle is an odd mix right now - new modern (which has replaced faux craftsman) multifamily/townhouse boxes on what used to be a single family home lot, next door to a 20s-50s bungalow that will soon be knocked down for more modern boxes. Out here in Bellevue, the architecture is still a little more traditional, but I notice more modern boxes being built in west Kirkland now, too.

I'll end up waxing my dark blue diesel every other month or so, even though it is garaged. Looks so nice when cleaned, and keeping up with it will keep it from going downhill.

28firefighter said:

My GTI gets a coat of wax once a month or so. 

Wife's car will always go in the garage, or so I've been told. 

@fintail our street is slowly losing all of the old Seattle homes. The house next door is actually a duplex on a relatively large lot. I don't give it too much longer before a developer makes an offer that is too good to refuse and it disappears. We've seen 4 homes on our block replaced with modern townhomes in the last 12 months. 

28firefighter

fintail said:

None with ample parking, no doubt. Some funny zoning approval happens in that city.

None. We were "lucky" in that when we bought the builders were including garages. Now most you're lucky to get a parking pad big enough to hold a Fiat. 

fintail

It's a win for all sides. Well all sides except the buyer. The bleeding heart nanny zoning types get to have their social engineering dreams met by thinking they are getting people out of cars (without much implementation of working transit options, of course, nor they themselves giving up a car), and the developers get to save money.

28firefighter said:

None. We were "lucky" in that when we bought the builders were including garages. Now most you're lucky to get a parking pad big enough to hold a Fiat. 

28firefighter

fintail said:

It's a win for all sides. Well all sides except the buyer. The bleeding heart nanny zoning types get to have their social engineering dreams met by thinking they are getting people out of cars (without much implementation of working transit options, of course, nor they themselves giving up a car), and the developers get to save money.

Exactly right. Don't get me started on the politics over here on the Seattle side - I swear I haven't the foggiest idea where my property taxes are being used.

We could actually use zoned parking on the streets now because of how little parking there is associated with the residential properties now.

andres3

It annoys me to no end to pull up to a "Green LEED" new building, only to see the dozen or so spaces reserved for carpool and EV vehicles while the rest of the spaces are always fairly full.

I wonder if they've ever calculated how much smog and wasted gasoline is caused by people idling or circling the parking lot looking for a space when things get crowded all in an effort to be "green?"

henryn

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=466801

All eligible sellers have until this Friday September 16, 2016 to identify themselves and apply for monies.


For those who will be effected by eligible sellers applying and as the current owners, will we see what our new total will be?

Answered by:

Yes, the pool of unclaimed money gets proportionally split among the current owners after 9/16. It's not if the seller to you applied, but in total of all possible sellers, how many applied.

Page 58 of the CAS doc:
For an Eligible Owner who acquired the Eligible Vehicle after September 18,
2015, Owner Restitution is equal to 50% of Owner Restitution under ¶ 5(a), plus a
share of any unused portion of the funds set aside to pay Seller Restitution in an
amount determined by dividing the unused funds among all Eligible Owners who
acquired their Eligible Vehicles after September 18, 2015 on a proportionate basis
using the restitution amount for each Eligible Vehicle that was determined in
arriving at the allocation of the Funding Pool. The unused portion of funds will
be determined at the conclusion of the Eligible Seller Identification Period and
prior to the start of the Class Action Settlement Program based on those Class
Members who identify themselves during the Eligible Seller Identification Period
as Eligible Sellers entitled to benefits under the Class Action Agreement.

I’m keeping my fingers crossed that a very low percentage of eligible sellers actually apply. Heck, from what I read, less than 50% of owners applied for the $1,000 in “good will” money.

qbrozen

I'm pretty surprised at how many people don't know, just based on my anecdotal evidence. Not just the general population, but other TDI owners I have spoken to. "Oh, I heard something about money, but don't know any details." is the approximate answer I have gotten a few times.

andres3

henryn said:

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=466801

All eligible sellers have until this Friday September 16, 2016 to identify themselves and apply for monies.


For those who will be effected by eligible sellers applying and as the current owners, will we see what our new total will be?

Answered by:

Yes, the pool of unclaimed money gets proportionally split among the current owners after 9/16. It's not if the seller to you applied, but in total of all possible sellers, how many applied.

Page 58 of the CAS doc:
For an Eligible Owner who acquired the Eligible Vehicle after September 18,
2015, Owner Restitution is equal to 50% of Owner Restitution under ¶ 5(a), plus a
share of any unused portion of the funds set aside to pay Seller Restitution in an
amount determined by dividing the unused funds among all Eligible Owners who
acquired their Eligible Vehicles after September 18, 2015 on a proportionate basis
using the restitution amount for each Eligible Vehicle that was determined in
arriving at the allocation of the Funding Pool. The unused portion of funds will
be determined at the conclusion of the Eligible Seller Identification Period and
prior to the start of the Class Action Settlement Program based on those Class
Members who identify themselves during the Eligible Seller Identification Period
as Eligible Sellers entitled to benefits under the Class Action Agreement.

I’m keeping my fingers crossed that a very low percentage of eligible sellers actually apply. Heck, from what I read, less than 50% of owners applied for the $1,000 in “good will” money.


Some of those suckers that didn't apply for the goodwill $1,000 might have been scared off by people saying that you were signing your rights away to the lawsuit money if you accepted the goodwill offer. Non-sense of course, but I'm sure it had an effect on people filling out the forms.

fintail

Failing bikeshare companies aren't going to bail themselves out, you know

28firefighter said:

Exactly right. Don't get me started on the politics over here on the Seattle side - I swear I haven't the foggiest idea where my property taxes are being used.

We could actually use zoned parking on the streets now because of how little parking there is associated with the residential properties now.

kyfdx

Individually, I hope everyone puts in for what they are entitled to.

As a group, I hope a big percentage of them don't do it.

henryn

Sounds like things are progressing, VW is getting ready, preparing for when the buybacks start.

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=466932

I just read a dealer only document and saw this mentioned on the dealer Ambassador program. The settlement states that vehicle condition wont matter but the vehicle will go through some type of inspection process.

1.United Road Services, Inc. - Primary transportation carrier for all TDI buyback turn-ins
2.SGS - Responsible for conducting vehicle inspection of all TDI buyback turn-ins
3.CarsArrive - Transporter of TDI vehicles purchased by non-grounding dealers when remarketing phase starts.

Sandman6472

Henryn, looking to possibly get an extended warranty for my 2015 Golf SE, gasoline powered. What kind of info did V W send to you? I've received nothing about any warranty's and am interested in what you got. Give me a shout out if you can.

The Sandman

henryn

Sorry, Sandman, I don't have any information about an extended warranty on a Volkswagen.

mjfloyd1

Sandman,

Troy at fd-warranty.com sells the factory branded extended warranty for VW. I've gotten a couple of Audi pure protection warranties from him.

Sandman6472

Thanks for the info, will check it out soon.
Looked at all the plans and the last one seems like it covers everything but bet it's pricy. Once I contact them, will know for sure. Just not sure yet what to do.

The Sandman

henryn

You can now upload your documents to the VW claims center:

https://claims.vwgoa.com/

28firefighter

I can do all but the title. Still waiting on it from the state...

qbrozen

Finance company has my title, of course

kyfdx

qbrozen said:

Finance company has my title, of course

They keep your title?

In KY, they just record a lien on it, with the state. Once that happens, you get the title.

henryn

In Texas they used to give you a "non negotiable title". I'm not sure if those are the exact words, but that was the right idea. These days, they give you no title until you pay it off.

However, if you (@qbrozen) chose different answers (that you owe money, don't have a clear title), then I assume the VWGOA site will ask for different documentation. I told them when I registered initially that I have a clear title, so they asked for a photocopy of said clear title.

Here is where I wound up:



And this in an email:

Thank you for submitting your documents in the Online Claims Portal. Next, we will begin reviewing your documents to ensure that you have provided all of the necessary documents and information to determine your eligibility. We will contact you when the documents are reviewed.

qbrozen

determine your eligibility? I don't like the sound of that. Entering the vin before gave that answer. If they give a differemt amswer this time, we got a problem.

kyfdx

qbrozen said:

determine your eligibility? I don't like the sound of that. Entering the vin before gave that answer. If they give a differemt amswer this time, we got a problem.

Based on when you bought the car, etc..

The VIN determined the vehicle eligibility. The other wording has been on the website, all along.

henryn

Further clarification. Unofficial, but sounds right.

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=467043&page=4

I currently own a 2015 Golf TDI, which I purchased new. I submitted scans of my registration and driver's license. (The introductory text mentions the title, but the site didn't ask for that, presumably because they already knew that I still owe money on the car, and so am not in physical possession of the title.) Since the site seems to be customizing what it's asking for based on your answers to previous questions, different people may be required to provide very different sets of documents.

qbrozen

Weird. Just checked the site and it doesn't want anything from me.

In the coming weeks, you will be contacted about the option you selected, including requests for any documentation required. You will also be notified if an emissions modification becomes available for your vehicle. Your election will not be considered a claim until the Court approves the final Settlement, which may occur in Fall 2016. All claims will be subject to verification of individual and vehicle eligibility.

corvette

Hmm, I went to upload the documents and realized I don't have the title yet! (Nor do I have a permanent license plate.) It didn't take that long when I bought the Murano.

kyfdx

This afternoon, on another computer, it asked me questions, but when I answered them, then clicked "continue", it gave an error message, and told me to call a number.

Tonight, on my home computer... it asks me no questions.

Makes me wonder if they were testing the system, today.

kyfdx

corvette said:

Hmm, I went to upload the documents and realized I don't have the title yet! (Nor do I have a permanent license plate.) It didn't take that long when I bought the Murano.

Got my KY title in about 3 weeks, after registration.

stever

Whoa, this is unexpected breaking news!

Is it a bit too early for April 1?

28firefighter

stever said:

Whoa, this is unexpected breaking news!

Is it a bit too early for April 1?

This isn't nice. 

stever

Sorry. Heart palpitations?

Michaell

28firefighter said:

stever said:

Whoa, this is unexpected breaking news!

Is it a bit too early for April 1?

This isn't nice. 

Do you have a link for that article, @stever ?

stickguy

probably gave QB a heart attack.

stever

Michaell said:

28firefighter said:

stever said:

Whoa, this is unexpected breaking news!

Is it a bit too early for April 1?

This isn't nice. 

Do you have a link for that article, @stever ?

You have to click the spoiler button:

qbrozen

Me? Nah. I'm way too cynical to believe anything in a "newspaper" that looks like that.

stever

Okay, this story is real:

"Beshear and the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) are warning TDI owners that scammers are looking to take advantage of the emissions settlement and willing to lie to owners so that they can acquire a vehicle and profit from the buyback.

“Due to the emissions scandal, these vehicles have become highly sought after by scammers who are looking to cash in on the buyback,” Beshear said. “My office fought to ensure that Kentucky car owners were compensated for being deliberately deceived by Volkswagen and now we want to make sure owners have the facts around the ‘buyback’ scam so they are not cheated again.”

AG: ‘BUYBACK’ SCAM TARGETS VW, AUDI DIESEL CAR OWNERS (wtvq.com)

stickguy

They aren't scammers. Just enterprising businessmen.

And there has been a ton of publicity on this, and much direct to owner contact. If the owners still have not paid attention, I don't really feel sorry for them.

fintail

We must feel sorry for the ignorant or simply dumb.

"My office fought to ensure that Kentucky car owners were compensated "

Oh you brave warrior for truth and justice. Your office fought hard to make it look like it is actually doing something, to justify the overhead.

qbrozen

I gotta say, it is shocking to me how many people feel they are getting "screwed" by this deal. It seems they expect to get their full original MSRP plus all taxes and interest for their used cars. Ridiculous.

andres3

qbrozen said:

I gotta say, it is shocking to me how many people feel they are getting "screwed" by this deal. It seems they expect to get their full original MSRP plus all taxes and interest for their used cars. Ridiculous.

that is an interesting phenomenon. Of course, you can always keep the car and no harm done as resale is only relevant if you sell.

I at least concisely only say that NADA has screwed me on the $22,500 value put upon a 3 - 4 month old '15 VW Sportwagen SE TDI that stickers for over $30K.

Everything else is fine and dandy, and that $22,500 value is perfectly fine if we return the car 2 years from now. However, if we decide we don't want to risk an insurance loss, we'll probably return it either late this year or very early in '17. The extra almost $7,500 VW is throwing in helps alleviate and lubricate the screwing by NADA.

stickguy

Nada is basically just reflecting the market reality. Only thing that matters is the bottom line in your pocket, and you come out ahead there.

Have they even come up with the fix yet, to even give you the option of taking some cash and keeping a then legal car?

henryn

I don’t know that NADA screwed you so much as you screwed yourself. You bought a new car that depreciates badly. If you had wanted low depreciation, you should have bought a Honda, not a VW.

In a certain sense, VW screwed everyone by lying to us. But with the extra $7,500, you are probably getting back more money than you paid when brand new, so how can you possibly complain about that????

Sandman6472

Agree with Henryn about the depreciation drop. I bought a gas powered Golf SE and paid a somewhat high price, but I wanted the vehicle. Really wanted the A3 my wife got but didn't have the total funds available at the time and didn't want to lease or finance. When Q told me what I could get for it recently, was quite surprised it was so low but again, it ain't no Honda. My timing was off also because if I had bought the same vehicle recently, I'd have paid less. Enjoying the vehicle so much, am deciding about possibly buying an extended warranty because VW reliability is a crap shoot and not sure how lucky I feel.
Just wish I had bought a TDI and could benefit from the buyback.

The Sandman

qbrozen

andres3 said:

qbrozen said:

I gotta say, it is shocking to me how many people feel they are getting "screwed" by this deal. It seems they expect to get their full original MSRP plus all taxes and interest for their used cars. Ridiculous.

that is an interesting phenomenon. Of course, you can always keep the car and no harm done as resale is only relevant if you sell.

I at least concisely only say that NADA has screwed me on the $22,500 value put upon a 3 - 4 month old '15 VW Sportwagen SE TDI that stickers for over $30K.

Everything else is fine and dandy, and that $22,500 value is perfectly fine if we return the car 2 years from now. However, if we decide we don't want to risk an insurance loss, we'll probably return it either late this year or very early in '17. The extra almost $7,500 VW is throwing in helps alleviate and lubricate the screwing by NADA.

BUT, now VW is paying $22,500 for a 2-year-old vehicle by using the NADA value from Sep 2015. VW is completely disregarding an additional 14 months of depreciation, more if you continue to keep the car, yet people still want to complain.