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With only three gears, you have to learn to love 2nd... It takes the place of 2-3-4 on a 5-speed...
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Except mine was a 6 speed.
(You never put yours into 4WD low eh?).
Still don't get why leaving it in second all the time would somehow magically extend the life of anything except perhaps the clutch spring.
That thought reminds me of a car a high school friend of mine had, a 69 Nova with a 307/powerglide. On acceleration, it would stay in low until about 45-50mph, then clunk into high/drive. That was it. Manual lovers must have hated that.
That was just like my dad's '62 Impala.
So now it's not only the base model any more.
You could get Accent manuals with more features, now Kia offers them too.
0-60 mph for I4 CVT 7.6 seconds. Not too shabby.
0-60 mph for I4 MT 6.8 seconds. Quite nice.
Stick wins by a substantial margin - once again. In fact it was within a couple tenths of the V-6 automatic from the previous generation. Impressive for a large sedan with a 4 cyl engine and no turbo.
They put a standard backup cam, even on the LX model, too. They're gonna challenge the Camry with this gen.
Here is an easy one. When my 03 Jetta TDI needs a new clutch app 600. This is projected @ 400,000 miles . IF it were an A/T aka 1M model, a minimum of 4,000 and that is if you can get a shop that knows about it. Mostly likely mileage for most failures 250,000 miles.
Now if you truly believe that then I would amend my original post in the most folks have actually swallowed the kool aid
For most people, the cost of maintaining or replacing an automatic transmission is not an issue that factors into their decision. And it didn't dissuade us from buying an automatic X5d over a Cayenne V6 manual. I just hope I don't experience a transmission repair bill on the X5 in my future.
I did many years ago have a clutch changed on a 1970 VW, which wasn't needed, but since it was apart..., YOU may as well. I was in the service at the time and the owner (German immigrant?) took pity on me and made me pay for the parts and for a couple of cases of Heineken had his crew change my clutch. We drank AFTER the clutch job. :shades: Great thing to do after work in the Miami, FL summer !?
If we're going to quote a price for a "rebuilt" auto trans, we should compare that to a "rebuilt" clutch as well I think.
Also, lots of drivers burn out clutches in 60,000 miles. We see this all the time.
Really? Then I must be very lucky. I have had one clutch replacement in my driving life - on my 1987 Acura Integra at 115k miles for about $700. Three other cars have exceeded 100,000 miles with no clutch replacements: 1978 Datsun B210 (105k), 1995 Nissan Maxima (160k), 1996 Isuzu Trooper (100k). I had my current 2004 Acura TL with 63k miles checked out by an independent mechanic when I was considering selling it to a friend and he estimated the clutch as having at least 75% life remaining (i.e. virtually no signs of wear based upon pedal travel and gripping strength)
Conversely, a friend of mine who bought a 1996 Mercedes E420 new shortly after I bought my Maxima ended up selling it at a big discount in 2003/4 because it was out of warranty and started experiencing transmission "shudder" at 90k miles. Cost of repairs would have exceeded $6,000 back then. His old 240d 4-speed manual that he gave to his niece when he bought the E420 is still alive and kicking today - albeit with two clutch replacements - at 275,000 miles.
Real world meaning the average owner not paying much atttention to the task of shifting the MT consistently.
So I can go from 35 mpg lifetime in my MT5 Accord to 45 mpg just by putting in a CVT.
BTW how is it that the new Accord is .8 seconds faster to 60 mph with the outdated manual than with the marvel called the CVT?
Not that I really have anything invested in it, but I hope it remains true. I understand that 75% of 911's and Porsches in general are A/T/PDK's. This by default leaves M/T @ 25%.
This is even less than the Corvette line, whose percentage I last read was at 45% M/T and of course by default 65% A/T. I know both the Zr-1 and Z06 lines have previously been100% 6 speed M/T (standard). Other Corvettes have A/T as an option.
I do not think it can be disputed there are a percentage of drivers either intentionally or un... that are ready willing and able to trash a clutch.
They can also last indefinitely. My brother has two sticks with over 300k miles on the original clutch (Corolla and G20). I have an Integra with 230k and an Accord with 155k on original clutches. Never had to replace a clutch and always keep my cars well over 100k miles.
BTW if 45% of Corvettes are stick then 55% are auto not 65%.
The Echo I sold 9 months ago was at 170K miles, original clutch. I know the new owner, who has driven it 10,000 miles since then, still no clutch replacement. The real issue of clutch vs automatic is which will typically last longer given normal use. My money is on the clutch. ;-)
But even if it does need replacement, it's a heck of a lot cheaper than rebuilding that automatic.
As for replacing manual transmissions, it's all but unheard of isn't it? Sure, there is the rare car that gets over the 200K mark and the synchros wear out, but that is statistically a lot rarer than an automatic that stops functioning by that mileage, and gee whiz with the manual you can just skip the worn-out gear and keep driving it if it comes to that....can't do that when the automatic stops shifting.....
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
When downshifting a manual, is it ok to skip gears? (feel free to head over there with your tips).
2. The engine driving the CVT is quite possibly derated for low speed acceleration due to the "fragility" of the CVT.
Many of todays purchasers are buying FE, NOT 0-60 times.
I bet over 50% are PDK/Tiptronic..
Just check a dealer's new car inventory....
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While I've never had to swap out a clutch myself in any of the cars I've driven, I do know that the '92 Subaru Legacy I inherited from my FIL needed to have it's clutch replaced not long after I gave the car to my son as a HS graduation gift.
The Legacy had about 140K miles at the time. I drove the car sparingly for a few months before driving it from CO to CA (1100 miles) to give to my son. Taught him the basics of driving a stick, but only a few months later I heard that the clutch needed replacing.
I never noticed any problems with gear changing, so I wonder if the abuse of a new driver put it over the edge.....
The PDK is a slightly tougher call. Porsche's newest PDK is generally regarded as the best on the market (i.e. better than Ferrari, way better than everything else). In the hands of a professional driver on a track, it allows them to keep both hands on the wheel in high speed turns at high G's. I experienced something like this first hand in the back seat of an M3 at BMW's Performance Delivery Center two weeks ago. I would have liked to see how an M3 with manual transmission would have compared as the driver accelerated at 30 mph out of a sharp turn to 130+ on an slight uphill straight and then slammed on the brakes to dive into a 150 degree downhill right turn and into the next straight. I was fully occupied in the back seat trying to keep my eyeballs in their sockets. I don't think I would have done too well in the drivers seat with only one hand on the wheel. On the other hand, I have a neighbor who is a highly accomplished amateur club racer (Porsche) and he claims he would still take a manual for the "heel-toe" shifting ability that no DCT -including the PDK - has been able to electronically match. So which is "better" appears to be personal and subjective. Given that I have never given myself a nosebleed or lost an eyeball in the footwell, I'm sticking with my right hand and left foot for everyday (albeit slightly enthusiastic) driving pleasure.
It was also clear what I said.
... I understand that 75% of 911's and Porsches in general are A/T/PDK's. This by default leaves M/T 25%...."
I even addressed what you said. So what about what you SAID didn't you think that I understood? I just put it in over all "Porsche" context. You don't like that? Then ignore or address it. But then you ignored the context, which is fine.
More to the point, you ignored the part about most (75%) 911's being A/T. Then you later claim, I didn't understand what you said. :sick: :lemon: The truth imight be more, you didn't understand what I wrote. Or you didn't like me actually SAYING 25% (MINORITY) of 911's are M/T. By default, 75% (MAJORITY) are automatic.
However, according to a couple of Porsche sales managers I have talked to, this was skewed by the fact that almost all of the initial cars delivered to dealerships for the 991 introduction events were PDK's and dealers couldn't even order the 7-speed manuals until after the initial introduction. At the dealerships I have been checking in our area, it appears that PDK's account for anywhere from 50 to 70% of their new 911 inventory. If I have some time to kill, I will do an actual statistical analysis, as I am more interested in facts than guesses or fourth hand information. Unfortunately, I don't know how to factually verify this, but according to the sales manager that invited me to a track event this Sunday, approximately 50% of the 911's that he custom orders are 7-speed manuals. They never make it to the website inventory.
Even the 20% passenger vehicle fleet M/T figures is a guess. (80% being some sort of A/T) 257.5 M P vehicles, 2010 figures.
GM for whatever reason was a little more transparent about the 5773 unit 2001 Z06 production. 100% were 6 speed manuals.
Somebody posted a link a few months ago to "10 cars you didn't know you can get with a stick" that was pretty interesting:
TL SH-AWD: 5% (does not include TL FWD in denominator, where all are A/T)
Audi A5: 10%
Buick Regal: Less than 10%
Hyundai Tucson: 1.5%
Lexus IS: 1.5%
Mazda 5: 6%
Porsche Cayenne / GTS: 1.3% and 7.2%
Subaru Outback: 10%
Toyota Camry: 3%
VW Tiguan: 1.8%
To which I would add my favorite car, dollar for dollar:
Honda S2000: 100% (as it should be)
I bet Forester is similar and Impreza is much higher (including all WRXs).
That is probably why it was left off that "top 10 list."
In regards to the over all 20% M/T passenger vehicle fleet (app 51.5 M of 257.5 M) , it is probably fair to say that as long as the replacement M/T percentage is slightyly greater than the SALVAGE percentage of M/T equipped vehicles ( I have read in passing that industry averages are pegged @ between 7 to 7.5%), then the population of M/T should be pretty stable. In that context, the average age of the fleet is now going on 11 years old. Average yearly sales are a (low) 9.5 M to 14.5 M (high or "good year")
"With the five-speed manual tranny, the Crosstrek returns a rated 23/30 mpg, city/highway, as compared with 25/33 for the car with the CVT."
From reading the review, you'll be happier paying more at the pump.
Sorry, Can't Hear You Over the Subaru Crosstrek
And there's plenty of warning, unlike a typical manual which gives you about 3-4 blocks warning when it decides to die.
A clutch? Sure. But a factory clutch is typically $100-$150 for most vehicles and changing it is usually a simple drop and swap. I think the last clutch master I changed was $40 for the part.