Mystery car pix

andys120

< class="Quote" rel="fintail">You're right, @ab348, yellow car at far left appears to be a likely 4cyl Ponton.

I also agree about the apparent Hillman Minx, but I think the black wagon could be a Borgward. I don't recall the Husky existing with a two piece rear window treatment like that.


I don't see a two-piece rear window. Do you mean the rear side window ?



BTW-I think the chrome strip on the '59 Caddy's side means it's an Eldo.

andys120

TECH ALERT! I am unable to post photos with Safari,Chrome or Firefox bowsers!

Please fix!

JustinS

Hi @andys120, we're going to create a support ticket. Would you mind checking your email shortly?

stickguy

stickguy

not a mystery, but the quickest car picture I could grab. Andy, must be you. This is running Chrome on an HP Laptop.

berri

Did one of you guys have a Microsoft 10 update recently? There was some security protections in the latest package that might be involved in this.

imidazol97

Mine is working. HP Laptop Pavilion G7 Win 10 Chrome
Win 10 updates:
I had the double update last week, where it requires a restart, does an update to about 30%. Comes back finished. Then downloads the same update and installs again and finishes. Apparently that's normal for that update.

And since today is update Tuesday, I had an update requiring a restart.

My machine is still on Version 1809 Build 17763.529
There's a Version 1903 if I understand correctly.

I loaded a pic from URL and from my saved file on my machine.

lostwrench1

Well, it's a Kaiser-Willys Manhattan.
As to the year, it's a '54 or '55. I would need to see the hood ornament.

ab348

Firefox actually started working again on this site yesterday and was letting me post pics and emotorcons from the pull-downs again.

Here’s a test in Safari on the iPad.

imidazol97

I think the Manhattan was listed as a '54. I always liked the angularity of the rear C-pillar along witht he divided rear windows added to the dip in the body line in the rear door then the taillights.

kyfdx

Safari on iPad

transamsd73

Nice Bonnie convertible!

fintail

Yep that's what I mean, the rear side window. To my eyes, the dark colored car in the old pic is shaped much different, and I would wager it is a German car.

andys120 said:

I don't see a two-piece rear window. Do you mean the rear side window ?



BTW-I think the chrome strip on the '59 Caddy's side means it's an Eldo.

lostwrench1

imidazol97 said:

I think the Manhattan was listed as a '54. I always liked the angularity of the rear C-pillar along witht he divided rear windows added to the dip in the body line in the rear door then the taillights.

Could you again find the listing? Perhaps there is also a photo showing the hood.

Michaell

ab348 said:

Someone over at The Old Motor also pegged the little wagon as a Borgward and it does look like it could be a Goliath now that I've looked at some pics of those. It's fascinating to think that such relatively obscure import cars could have had such a presence in a place like Wyoming back in 1959 with wide-open spaces, Big Sky country, etc not being a place where one would have thought they would have much of an impact back then.

Warren AFB is in Cheyenne, so it's possible that folks who were stationed there brought their foreign cars with them.

Factoid: Warren does not have a runway for fixed wing aircraft.

andys120

stickguy

Inspiration for the Smart car?

lostwrench1

stickguy said:

Inspiration for the Smart car?

My first thought was the Suzuki X90.

fintail

Vespa 400, yes, that Vespa.

ab348

I know what it is but all I'm going to say at this point is that it looks like trouble.

ETA: Pulldowns are not working again in Firefox.

imidazol97

lostwrench1 said:

imidazol97 said:

I think the Manhattan was listed as a '54. I always liked the angularity of the rear C-pillar along witht he divided rear windows added to the dip in the body line in the rear door then the taillights.

Could you again find the listing? Perhaps there is also a photo showing the hood.

Couldn't find the original pic the way I did before. But I think this is the same car in a suburban driveway with tall trees. The red plastic on top of the "tailfin" is unique. I love it.

This says '55.



More pics of this and other Manhattans...
https://www.google.com/search?q=kaiser+manhattan+1955&amp;sa=X&amp;biw=1558&amp;bih=720&amp;tbm=isch&amp;source=iu&amp;ictx=1&amp;fir=ZTIf8gtoXOssQM%3A%2CnrKN3yoMkNeotM%2C_&amp;vet=1&amp;usg=AI4_-kQmIQ9LYqaoz0vUipX7rgvJ6nwrCg&amp;ved=2ahUKEwj4rb2Joa_iAhUP0awKHeLCB3MQ9QEwB3oECAcQEg#imgdii=D0E8CFb1NUVR-M:&amp;imgrc=ZTIf8gtoXOssQM:&amp;vet=1

berri

The Kaiser was a spiffy looking vehicle when it first came out. Unfortunately, there was little money for upgrades and styling changes and that made the car wear thin over time. I believe they made them somewhere is South America (maybe Argentina) for a number of years beyond US production.

ab348

I understood the main issue with Kaiser was that they were undercapitalized, so they had no money to develop a modern engine or develop other body styles as became necessary for the mid-'50s evolution of the U.S. market.

lostwrench1

imidazol97 said:

lostwrench1 said:

imidazol97 said:

I think the Manhattan was listed as a '54. I always liked the angularity of the rear C-pillar along witht he divided rear windows added to the dip in the body line in the rear door then the taillights.

Could you again find the listing? Perhaps there is also a photo showing the hood.

Couldn't find the original pic the way I did before. But I think this is the same car in a suburban driveway with tall trees. The red plastic on top of the "tailfin" is unique. I love it.

This says '55.



More pics of this and other Manhattans...
https://www.google.com/search?q=kaiser+manhattan+1955&amp;sa=X&amp;biw=1558&amp;bih=720&amp;tbm=isch&amp;source=iu&amp;ictx=1&amp;fir=ZTIf8gtoXOssQM%3A%2CnrKN3yoMkNeotM%2C_&amp;vet=1&amp;usg=AI4_-kQmIQ9LYqaoz0vUipX7rgvJ6nwrCg&amp;ved=2ahUKEwj4rb2Joa_iAhUP0awKHeLCB3MQ9QEwB3oECAcQEg#imgdii=D0E8CFb1NUVR-M:&amp;imgrc=ZTIf8gtoXOssQM:&amp;vet=1

Aha, I was looking for that tall fin on top of the nose making it a '55. I wonder if that car has any connection to May 7, 1955 as the license plate hints.

berri

55-57 Hash were also kind of unique looking

andys120

fintail said:

Vespa 400, yes, that Vespa.

That's right!

andys120

berri

One of the latter VW Karman Ghia's? Don't recall the years though.

magnette

I'd go with a Goliath for that black estate car - the rear half looks like a Lloyd but I am fairly sure that the front wings look more Goliath.

magnette

Yes - the Vespa 400. Made by the French Vespa company in Paris rather than an Italian one, and they made quite a few - fist one I saw was in Paris back in the early 80s when they were still in use but I've seen a couple since in museums etc.

magnette

Would that Goliath have been shipped to US by a serviceman from Germany perhaps - I can't imagine many got there as regular sales?

berri

So the yellow coupe is a Vespa? I'd never guess that. It sure looks like a Type 34 VW Karmann Ghia. Even looked one up on Wikipedia. Not sure if I saw one in the States, but pretty sure I did in Australia or Europe. Was this design maybe shopped to different brands? Probably the only reason I recall the Type 34 is because it was so different from the Karmann Ghia's I was used to seeing.

andys120

berri said:

One of the latter VW Karman Ghia's? Don't recall the years though.

Yes, a 1966 Volkswagen Karmann-Ghia/Type 2 I don't think they ever officially exported the Type 2 version to the USDM which is odd since the first series was pretty popular.
Did they get into Canada?

stickguy

Berri, the little blue car was the Vespa.

ab348

andys120 said:

berri said:

One of the latter VW Karman Ghia's? Don't recall the years though.

Yes, a 1966 Volkswagen Karmann-Ghia/Type 2 I don't think they ever officially exported the Type 2 version to the USDM which is odd since the first series was pretty popular.
Did they get into Canada?

Isn't it called a Type 34?

Not in Canada either unless a service member stationed in Europe brought one back with them.

Mr_Shiftright

Or the even rarer TC 145 Karmann-Ghia

andys120

That's kind of cool, is it Brazilian (I can see a slice of VW Puma next to it)?

berri

That is a Karmann I don't think I've seen. Very clean looking styling. unlike (in my opinion) the Type 34.

magnette

Sorry - I followed a previous response from Fintail - the Vespa is the little blue car - the yellow one is a Karman Ghia. I think the responses got out of alignment somehow.

andys120

Note to Tech: Loaded this photo via Chrome, neither Safari or Firefox worked.

fintail

Pinto of course, must be pre-74 with those bumpers, and by the background I get a strong PNW vibe.

andys120

fintail said:

Pinto of course, must be pre-74 with those bumpers, and by the background I get a strong PNW vibe.

Yup, it's a 1973 Ford Pinto SW.

kyfdx

fintail said:

Pinto of course, must be pre-74 with those bumpers, and by the background I get a strong PNW vibe.

From the pedestrian?

stickguy

and lack of rust on the Pinto.

fintail

Yeah, condition of the car along with the house and people, I think Portland or environs.

andys120

stickguy

Yugo. GVX apparently. looks like a late model but no clue on years. 1989?

andys120

stickguy said:

Yugo. GVX apparently. looks like a late model but no clue on years. 1989?

Yup, it's a 1988 Yugo GVX, supposedly the sporty version (who knew there was one?)

tjc78

Well the GTI had nothing to worry about...:)

texases

Saw one (not this one) this morning: