Mystery car pix

andys120

qbrozen said:

Avanti!

Yes, a 1963 Studebaker Avanti from the second and last year of production by Studebaker. You can tell the Studebaker Avantis from those made by a succession of later owners thru 2006 at a glance because only the Studes had headlight surrounds that were round in shape. Most later Avantis had square shapes surrounding the 7" round headlights (not a happy look IMO).

andys120

qbrozen said:

Avanti!

Yes, a 1963 Studebaker Avanti from the second and last year of production by Studebaker. You can tell the Studebaker Avantis from those made by a succession of later owners thru 2006 at a glance because only the Studes had headlight surrounds that were round in shape. Most later Avantis had square shapes surrounding the 7" round headlights (not a happy look IMO).


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I recall being quite taken by the styling of the original Avanti but it hasn't aged well. There are several 1962 shapes that still appeal to me but by comparison the Avanti is rather blah.
YMMMV

berri

For me, the Avanti was cool for its time, but I always liked the lines of the Hawk GT better.

Mr_Shiftright

I agree, the design looks very dated now but the GT Hawk has a kind of timeless quality to it.

andys120

The Avanti design had a basic lack of harmony, the relatively upright windshield just doesn't go with the beautifully sloped rear glass. The Hawks actually had a more raked windshield.

andys120

Notice how upright the windshield of the Avanti is

fintail

I think the Avanti has a lot of nice details, but reverse angled C-pillars have always irked me for some reason.

andys120

qbrozen

My first reaction is A-H 3K, but could it be that simple?

iluvmysephia1

1960 Austin Healey something or other.

andys120

qbrozen said:

My first reaction is A-H 3K, but could it be that simple?

iluvmysephia1 said:

1960 Austin Healey something or other.

Not quite that simple, it's a 1960 Austin-Healey 3000 Mk.1 and in big Healey-speak it's a BT7 (2+2)

texases

2+2?  Four seats?  Must be tight!

qbrozen

well, it is A-H 3k. ;b

Mr_Shiftright

andys120 said:

The Avanti design had a basic lack of harmony, the relatively upright windshield just doesn't go with the beautifully sloped rear glass. The Hawks actually had a more raked windshield.

It has the awkwardness of the Jaguar E-Type 2+2 coupe.

kyfdx

I don't find the Jag awkward, at all.

But, I also like the Z3 M Coupe, so maybe I'm not the best judge.

stickguy

I love the clown shoe too. But I also owned a Gremlin, so might not be best judge.

Mr_Shiftright

kyfdx said:

I don't find the Jag awkward, at all.

But, I also like the Z3 M Coupe, so maybe I'm not the best judge.

Well yeah, you just sunk your own case with that comparison.

texases

Maybe this angle better shows off the 'hunchback of Coventry':

kyfdx

Still think it's a whole bunch of awesomeness.

Mr_Shiftright

You'd have to see it parked next to the regular coupe to get an idea of its "relative" ugliness. The windshield angle, the proportions--it's all wrong.

'62 Series 1 E Type Coupe = median value of $135,000

'66 Jaguar E Type 2+2 Coupe = median value of $48,000.

See? Collectors do punish it......

andys120

fintail

Lancia Aprilia

andys120

fintail said:

Lancia Aprilia

Good guess, but it's the Aprilia's older sibling the Lancia Ardea a prewar design that was produced until 1953. It featured the first production V4 engine.

andys120

The newest car is an easy one in this photo.

kyfdx

1959?

kyfdx

Or, maybe something newer over by the entrance?

fintail

I'll pick off the 50 Ford woody.

stickguy

Is the red roofed black car a 1959 desoto?

texases

Must be pretty soon after "Unkel Joe's Woodshed" opened, in Altoona. They're still in business, "for over 50 years".

Mr_Shiftright

In the 4-car row facing the brick building...is that a Nash and a Lincoln?

berri

I think the Desoto is either a 57 or 58. I have trouble distinguishing those two years. I'll go 58 because the odds are in my favor since 57's had a mix of single and dual headlights

andys120

berri said:

I think the Desoto is either a 57 or 58. I have trouble distinguishing those two years. I'll go 58 because the odds are in my favor since 57's had a mix of single and dual headlights

I think you're correct about MY. '58 was the first yr for most cars to get 4 h/ls but there were a few that got 'em mid- 1957. If it's a '59 it's the newest car visible.

Mr_Shiftright said:

In the 4-car row facing the brick building...is that a Nash and a Lincoln?

Yeah the Nash is the dark car w the rounded roofline, next to it looks like a ca. '57-58 white Lincoln. To the right of the Lincoln looks like a'58 Ford wagon. To the right of the Nash, what could be a tu-tone '54-'55 Hudson Jet and a red '54 Ford facing the building

texases

Pretty sure that's a '57 Desoto, based on the grill and side trim:

andys120

Good call, Tex. I took another look at the Ford wagon on the top of the pic and it too could be a 1957MY. The white Lincoln is almost certainly a '57 as well now that I look at it. It looks as if there's nothing newer than'57. So now we have the challenge of figuring out the oldest cars.

The Oldsmobile next to the DeSoto appears to be a 1950MY car (first year for those to get 1-piece windshields?) so it's about the same age as the woody wagon but I've checked some photos and it appears the Ford wagon is a 1949, 50/51s had turn signals in the grille.

If you look all the way to the middle right there's what appears to be the roofs of a GM slopeback and a notchback next to it. They are probably 1940s models.

fintail

Aside from the signals, 49 Ford - center chrome grille bar ends at the corner. 50 center grille bar wraps around the side a little. Looks like a 50 from here, signals are just hard to see.

magnette

I think the oldest cars or whatever in this picture are down the slope to the left behind Uncle Joe's. There are two very curvy sedans there and one old van / truck with a flatscreen - all of those look 40's to me - but I'm a limey....

magnette

Is the cream and black car a 53 Chrysler? In which case I guess a New Yorker based on the V emblem on the bonnet. And if that then a Club Coupe

andys120

magnette said:

I think the oldest cars or whatever in this picture are down the slope to the left behind Uncle Joe's. There are two very curvy sedans there and one old van / truck with a flatscreen - all of those look 40's to me - but I'm a limey....

Yup those are the cars I referred to, very 40s looking.

magnette said:

Is the cream and black car a 53 Chrysler? In which case I guess a New Yorker based on the V emblem on the bonnet. And if that then a Club Coupe

I can't tell a '53 from a '54 Chrysler but it's one or the other. I had a stamped metal Tootsie Toy of one.

fintail

Another gem from Pop Snap - Vancouver 1978:

stickguy

2 pintos. the white one is an early car. And a fiat 128 I can see rusting (almost). Yellow car is tricky, but smells like a Toyota to me.

berri

The black coupe; maybe a 67 or 68 big Pontiac?

stickguy

definitely a big pancho. just don't ask me which year or model!

stickguy

the blue one, I first thought was a Chevy II Nova, but looking again, I think it is a late 60s AMC (matador or american?)

tmart

andys120 said:

I think the Desoto is either a 57 or 58. I have trouble distinguishing those two years. I'll go 58 because the odds are in my favor since 57's had a mix of single and dual headlights

I think you're correct about MY. '58 was the first yr for most cars to get 4 h/ls but there were a few that got 'em mid- 1957. If it's a '59 it's the newest car visible.

In the 4-car row facing the brick building...is that a Nash and a Lincoln?

Yeah the Nash is the dark car w the rounded roofline, next to it looks like a ca. '57-58 white Lincoln. To the right of the Lincoln looks like a'58 Ford wagon. To the right of the Nash, what could be a tu-tone '54-'55 Hudson Jet and a red '54 Ford facing the building

Believe the red Ford is a 52, not a 54 based on the side trim. 

fintail

I agree about the yellow car, I see a Corolla.

I think the Fiat is even better than that, I believe it is a Lada. I am not sure if they used the "Signet" name at that time.

fintail

One more this evening - February, 1978 (might need to zoom in):

Michaell

stickguy said:

2 pintos. the white one is an early car. And a fiat 128 I can see rusting (almost). Yellow car is tricky, but smells like a Toyota to me.

I don't think that's a Fiat - likely a Lada.

Michaell

Pontiac Astre between the two Ford vans.

And I'll go out on a limb and say that's a copper Renault -16?

iluvmysephia1

The tannish looking vehicle to the right looks like a 1968 Toyota Corolla.

andys120

Michaell said:

stickguy said:

2 pintos. the white one is an early car. And a fiat 128 I can see rusting (almost). Yellow car is tricky, but smells like a Toyota to me.

I don't think that's a Fiat - likely a Lada.

From that angle it's nearly impossible to tell a Fiat 124 from a Lada but that's definitely not a Fiat 128. It's possible that the 124 sedan was made in so many places under so many brand names that it has been the most numerous model. ever produced