Mystery car pix

tjc78

fintail said:

Chrysler 300 or Charger/Magnum?

What was it?

Yep 300.  

fintail

Looks like it held up OK for something of its age. A-pillar deformation is alarming, but that appears to have been a point of impact. I credit the MB roots

tjc78 said:

Yep 300.  

fintail

Ah Humber, another one that slips my mind, gone for so long now, and only sold over here in very small numbers.

Here's an easier one, again from Pop Snap - Vancouver, March 1978:

magnette said:

Fin, I agree with all those - I think the car behind the Dodge is a Jag of the immediate post war type (retrospectively called the Mk IV) but the approaching car isn't a Rover but instead a Humber.
I think the Riley is a 1938/9 Twelve but its a guess as they made a wide range of similar cars at that time.

stickguy

The door on that 300 looks like it was levered open with the jaws of life.

berri

Over the years it seems like the old body on frame cars often don't do as well as the unibody ones in collisions. At least that is what I've seen. But don't know if there are any statistics on that?

texases

You're probably right, and it has a lot to do with 'old' - the BOF designs don't incorporate all the new info on crush zones, etc. So newer designs (all of which are unibodies) do better in crashes.

Mr_Shiftright

'48 Packard vs. Chevy Cruze. Whaddya' think?

texases

That's a tough one. The '48 Packard body may survive better, but the bodies inside wouldn't!

bhill2

fintail said:

Ah Humber, another one that slips my mind, gone for so long now, and only sold over here in very small numbers.

Here's an easier one, again from Pop Snap - Vancouver, March 1978:

magnette said:

Fin, I agree with all those - I think the car behind the Dodge is a Jag of the immediate post war type (retrospectively called the Mk IV) but the approaching car isn't a Rover but instead a Humber.
I think the Riley is a 1938/9 Twelve but its a guess as they made a wide range of similar cars at that time.

My eye is drawn to the blue '65(?) Ford whose back half is visible. A 2-door hardtop with dog dish hubcaps just seems wrong. I've only seen those on the lowest trim lines (Custom and Custom 500), and those lines don't have hardtops.

fintail

Yep that's a 65. I suspect on a base car, esp a 6 cyl car, dog dish hubcaps were standard. Notice another similar car at lower right.

bhill2 said:

My eye is drawn to the blue '65(?) Ford whose back half is visible. A 2-door hardtop with dog dish hubcaps just seems wrong. I've only seen those on the lowest trim lines (Custom and Custom 500), and those lines don't have hardtops.

berri

Some kind of Mopar wagon, maybe a Plymouth behind the Ford coupe.

qbrozen

texases

I gotta take that one - a Maserati Indy, '72 or so. Dad had one when I was in high school, very neat! But with the AT it had, it wasn't any peppier around town than my mom's '69 Cutlass with the 350.

qbrozen

Yup. a '71. This one is a US model with 5-speed trans, 4.9 engine, and a claimed 37k miles. 1 of 39 imported to the US so equipped, per the ad. Asking $195k!

texases

$195K?? That seems HIGH, Indys have always been a 'second tier' exotic, at best. Where's it listed?
edit - never mind, I found it.

Mr_Shiftright

qbrozen said:

Yup. a '71. This one is a US model with 5-speed trans, 4.9 engine, and a claimed 37k miles. 1 of 39 imported to the US so equipped, per the ad. Asking $195k!

Silly money, I think. The 4.9 does bring a premium, but not 100% over! Median auction prices about $100K, so add for condition above median---what...another $30K-$40K?

andys120

Michaell

Datsun 1200?

andys120

Michaell said:

Datsun 1200?

Nope.

Mr_Shiftright

It's a Nano! (extra points if you get the joke).

andys120

Mr_Shiftright said:

It's a Nano! (extra points if you get the joke).

I don't

kyfdx

andys120 said:

Mr_Shiftright said:

It's a Nano! (extra points if you get the joke).

I don't

Something to do with math.

nano is 1/1000th of micro, so maybe a Wurzenschnitzler 1000?

lostwrench1

The measurement "Nano" came about in 1960. Is the car's MY 1960?

andys120

lostwrench1 said:

The measurement "Nano" came about in 1960. Is the car's MY 1960?

No, it's a '65, the prototype was first shown at Geneva in 1960. Production debut was '61.

iluvmysephia1

As oppsed to it being an Indian Tata Nano. Automobile.

Mr_Shiftright

Nano means "midget" in Italian.

andys120

Mr_Shiftright said:

Nano means "midget" in Italian.

Okay now, I get it. Anyone get it?

bhill2

Yes, but I had to look it up to convince myself. I suspected that the trunk badge said 'Innocenti', but had to look it up to reassure myself because I didn't know they turned out a roadster.

Mr_Shiftright

Pretty rare these days. I've only seen one in real life I think...maybe two.

andys120

bhill2 said:

Yes, but I had to look it up to convince myself. I suspected that the trunk badge said 'Innocenti', but had to look it up to reassure myself because I didn't know they turned out a roadster.

Yup, it's a 1965 Innocenti 1100S Spider, essentially a license built MG Midget/Austin-Healey Sprite Mk.II with a Ghia designed body and interior. The stylist was Tom Tjaarda, an American who later designed the Fiat 124 Spider. The Innocenti version was a little more deluxe than it's British cousins. Later versions of the Midget and Sprite got roll-up windows but the Innocenti had them from the get-go.

I'm particularly impressed by the modern way the gauges are housed in a pod rather than splayed across the dash as in most sports cars of that era.

A small number of Innocenti 1100C Coupes were made. Pictures are hard to come by:



Neither version was ever exported to the US which is too bad because I'm sure they'd have sold well here.

Mr_Shiftright

I like MG Midgets. Tough little buggers. I think they would have run better in the US than the Fiats we got. Perhaps not as smooth and gentile, but more reliably.

andys120

iluvmysephia1

1963 Mercury Comet station wagon.

iluvmysephia1

I like MG Midgets. Tough little buggers. I think they would have run better in the US than the Fiats we got. Perhaps not as smooth and gentile, but more reliably.

Mr. Shiftright - how would the late 60's MG Midget's compare to the late 60's Datsun 411 Bluebird sedans, in your opinion? Does it just depend on the shape of the particular specimen you get, or would the Datsun's be more reliable overall?

lostwrench1

Ex-ambulance?

berri

Remember when a roof rack could actually be functional out of the factory without having to buy extra supports and the like.

Mr_Shiftright

iluvmysephia1 said:

I like MG Midgets. Tough little buggers. I think they would have run better in the US than the Fiats we got. Perhaps not as smooth and gentile, but more reliably.

Mr. Shiftright - how would the late 60's MG Midget's compare to the late 60's Datsun 411 Bluebird sedans, in your opinion? Does it just depend on the shape of the particular specimen you get, or would the Datsun's be more reliable overall?

I think the MG would win out on reliability simply because you can't get parts for a Datsun 411--well you can but you'll have lots of downtime for the simplest things. For an MG, the aftermarket is vast and affordable. You can buy any part you need, UPS to your door in 2 days.

andys120

stickguy

early 50's bathtub nash?

lostwrench1

I'll take the old Willys in the back. Where do I sign?

andys120

stickguy said:

early 50's bathtub nash?

A '50 Nash Statesman Super to be more exact.

lostwrench1 said:

I'll take the old Willys in the back. Where do I sign?

Over at The Old Motor, someone ID'ed it as a 39-40 Willys Coupe but those had rounded 30's/Aero type bodies. He's a little off but the 1936 Willys five-window looks like a match
Either style Willys were favorites of postwar hot rodders.

fintail

I'd wager the car in the background is a 33-34 Ford.

andys120

fintail said:

I'd wager the car in the background is a 33-34 Ford.

That was my first thought but I'm not so sure

'34 Ford 5 window



'36 Willys 5 window


Original image


Could go either way IMO.

fintail

A lot of cars of that era are so similar, it is all about the small details. For the car above, in my eyes, the proportions of the windows are closer to the Ford - the Willys looks like it has a relatively smaller door window, and relatively larger rear quarter window. Of course, a Ford was also much more common, but both were being hopped up in the 50s.

andys120 said:

fintail said:

I'd wager the car in the background is a 33-34 Ford.

That was my first thought but I'm not so sure


Could go either way IMO.

lostwrench1

lostwrench1 said:

I'll take the old Willys in the back. Where do I sign?

The upper external door hinge is strong evidence that it is a Ford.

berri

See Fin, that backroads driving came in handy!

andys120

lostwrench1 said:

lostwrench1 said:

I'll take the old Willys in the back. Where do I sign?

The upper external door hinge is strong evidence that it is a Ford.

It's barely visible but it's there. Case solved it's a '33-'35 Ford five window.

andys120

qbrozen

That awful mitsu imiev thing. I nelieve that is the name.

qbrozen

lostwrench1 said:

I'll take the old Willys in the back. Where do I sign?

The upper external door hinge is strong evidence that it is a Ford.

Well, that works, and more discernible than what I was going to point out which is the raised line which runs down the rear quarter in the Ford and in the pic, but ends just behind the rear window of the Willys.