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Sales Flops of 2005

PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 7,741
Ran across this story about the vehicles with the biggest sales declines for the year.

Anything surprise you on this list:

No. 1: Volvo C70 convertible

Sales decline this year: 59.6%

No. 2: Land Rover Freelander SUV

Sales decline this year: 55.3%

No. 3: Mercedes-Benz CL-Class coupe

Sales decline this year: 53.2%

No. 4: Volkswagen Phaeton sedan

Sales decline this year: 52.1%

No. 5: Mercury Monterey minivan

Sales decline this year: 51.2%

No. 6: Jaguar X-Type sedan and wagon

Sales decline this year: 49.2%

No. 7: Audi TT convertible and coupe

Sales decline this year: 47.2%

No. 8: Mitsubishi Montero SUV*

Sales decline this year: 44.6%

No. 9: Chevrolet Monte Carlo coupe

Sales decline this year: 43.4%

No. 10: Mazda B-Series pickup

Sales decline this year: 43.0%

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  • jlawrence01jlawrence01 Posts: 1,828
    ***While something like the current Lexus LS is a very 'nice' car, they sure haven't changed much in fifteen years in terms of basic shape, power or size, and now their neck-and-neck in price with a Mercedes E430, if not more costly.***

    That is true. However, unlike the Mercedes, they come with outstanding customer service and great reliability.

    I have been to both the Mercedes and the Lexus events this past year at Arlington Park and I hear two constant themes

    1) They don't make Mercedes like they used to.

    2) You get so much more from Lexus with fewer problems (and I heard that at the Mercedes event).

    One of the local businessmen always reminds me that he paid "$20k for a used Lexus with 80k miles and he's driven it for ten years and it doesn't look or ride any different than the day he bought it."
  • No. 8: Mitsubishi Montero SUV*

    Sales decline this year: 44.6%

    Mitsu just can't catch a break... Just as well I guess, the Montero is OLD and maybe the Endeavor will pick up those sales.

    The Monterey decline is pathetic, but not surprising...
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    That list is interesting, but there is more to it for some of those models. Some have been dropped and/or are being replaced in a few months. As for the newer models on there, uh-oh.

  • lemmerlemmer Posts: 2,687
    Not really any surprises in there, except for that I didn't think they sold enough Freelanders in any year for there to be a measurably decline.
  • xkssxkss Posts: 722
    Why not just get the aluminum Audi A8?
  • navigator89navigator89 Posts: 1,080
    The Freelander is crap. They say it has poor reliability, and is small and overpriced. Someone in my garage has one, and by looking at it I can tell it is small with a total lack of headroom or legroom. I'd much rather buy a Torrent/Mariner/RAV 4.

    I'm surprised the Mercedes G Class isn't on that list. I rarely see them, even though they were released 2 years ago.

    Here in the Middle East the Montero/Pajero is one of the most popular SUVs, although in America its not probably because of the immense variety offered there. In any case here most of its popularity is due to fleet sales.
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 7,741
    I've only seen a few G class as well. I'm guessing the sales haven't varied much on them one way or the other. The cars on the top ten list all had significant percentage sales drops.

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 41,885
    Yeah some of those are old and due for replacement. Like the CL and the Monte, everyone knows a new one is coming, and most people who want a current one have already bought one.

    G-wagen came out here for MY 2001 or so, I see them fairly regularly in my neighborhood, but I'll admit it's not a normal place.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Sonoma, CaliforniaPosts: 57,564
    No surprises at all. They are all, to a car, either tired old models that people are tired of, (Montero, Audi TT, Monte Carlo) or grossly mis-marketed cars IMO, that never had an audience to begin with (the rest of them. Also is no surprise that most of them have a very mediocre reputation. ( or worse, like the Jaguar X-Type and the Land Rover)

    There's not a car on that list that doesn't deserve to die for one reason or another.

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  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    the cars that have been on the market a year or less, brought out with much fanfare, oftentimes to the tune of "THIS time, we really got it right and we're sure this will be a hit", only to find stagnant sales or even declines, or missing sales forecasts badly?

    I can think of a few off the top of my head, with varying degrees of up-to-datedness:

    Acura RL (running, I think, at roughly half the volume Acura was hoping for with the much-revised model)

    Subaru Tribeca (production cuts set at 50% beginning in the new year)

    Everything Saab that is a rebadged something else

    Heck, toss in the 9-3 for good measure: it has been around more than 12 months IIRC, but it certainly hasn't measured up to the hopes they had for sales

    Q45 - poor ol' Infiniti. I forget how long ago the last model update was, but it wasn't that long ago and there was a lot of fanfare with that one. They continue to sell at a rate of roughly 1000 a year - why bother?

    Need I mention the all-new Jetta, the car that was going to "grow up" the VW image overnight? Now the new Passat is busy following in its footsteps. And thank GOODNESS they cancelled the Phaeton.

    And for this space, same time next year, let's mention the Grand Vitara, released with more hoopla than I can remember from Suzuki in forever, and already every reviewer hates it. And the Range Rover Sport, another case of why bother. And possibly the Honda Ridgeline and the Buick Lucerne, both of which will sell in decent numbers but will fall short of their manufacturers' hopes and dreams by a goodly amount. Oh yeah, and add the Torrent on that last count. I would mention the new Mercury/Lincoln Fusion clones, but does Ford even have hopes and dreams for Lincoln/Mercury any more? Final entry and then I will quit: the new Jeep (what is it? Commander or something?). It is so similar to Grand Cherokee in mission, all it will do is suck a few sales away from the GC before falling into automotive oblivion.

    So sayeth the sage...


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  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 18,647
    It's too early to say if the Commander is a flop, likewise the Milan/Zephyr and the new Passat.

    OTOH the Buick Lacrosse is pretty rare even though it's been out for a year. The
    Infiniti M35/45 doesn't seen to be any more prevalent than the Acura RL so sales of them have to be disappointing.

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 41,885
    I see the new M quite a bit in my area, much more than the strangely dull looking JDM style old M, and probably 5 or 10 times more often than a new RL. Around here, the G is very trendy, so I think this might be an offshoot.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    The RL is on track track to sell about 18K units this year. They forecast 20K, IIRC. So they're off by about 10%. The Ridgeline is off by 6%.

    Have to agree with you on the Saabs, though.

    Andys120, I haven't seen recent sales figures, but the M35/45 was selling as well as the Lexus GS and others in the class. I dunno what Infiniti projected, but I gotta figure it's doing well enough.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 23,040
    more LaCrosses finally. Their popularity may be a regional thing, and I'm guessing a lot of them do still go into rental fleets, but I've heard that nationwide, the LaCrosse is selling about as well as the Century/Regal used to.

    I haven't seen the Grand Vitara yet, except for that commercial where the dude skydives out of his house. I almost hate to admit it, but I think it's actually pretty attractive! I think it's one of the better looking SUVs out there nowadays. There's just something nice and clean about its styling. Still, style will only get you so far, and according to the buff rags, there are much better buys out there.

    I don't see Acura RLs very often, but then they're styling just blends in. They're easy to miss. As for Infinitis, I don't think I see ANY kind of Infiniti on a regular basis, except for this green I30 that one of the secretaries at work drives.
  • jrosasmcjrosasmc Posts: 1,711
    Yes, the new Jeep is the Commander. And I think it will be a huge hit, especially with the Jeep faithful such as my dad, who thinks it is the most gorgeous SUV on the market.
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    I really doubt the Commander will be successful. It's only 2 inches longer than the Grand Cherokee and 4 inches taller.

    All reviewers have commented that the third seat is a joke for anyone larger than a small child.

    So unless you really like the squared off styling or have small children that can fit in the rearmost seats, there's really no point in buying one in place of the Grand Cherokee.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 23,040
    of the Commander is that they can advertise that third row seating. But it's basically the same as advertising a Mustang, Camaro, etc as a 4-seat sports car. Yeah, so it has a back seat. Doesn't mean you want to put anybody in it!

    FWIW though, I'm guessing that very few SUVs have a useable 3rd row seat. Even in my Mom & stepdad's Expedition, or even some Suburbans I've been in, it's not a very hospitable place to be.

    How safe is the 3rd-row seat on your typical SUV, anyway? Most SUVs that I've seen that get rear-ended basically cease to exist behind the rear axle. I imagine it would be almost as bad as the 3rd row seat you used to get in station wagons back in the day.
  • lemkolemko Philadelphia, PAPosts: 15,294
    Geeze, they're as common as dirt around here, and no, they aren't all rentals. Seems my girlfriend started a trend. As soon as she got her car, LaCrosses have been popping up like mushrooms all over the neighborhood.

    Shame about the Q45. I bet it's every bit as good a car as the Lexus LS430. Well, if you don't want to run into your car on every block, get a Q45!

    Ooo! Ooo! I DID see a Tribeca today!
  • ghuletghulet Posts: 2,628
    ....with the higher end Japanese sedans now is twofold: when they first debuted (particularly in the case of the Acura Legend and Lexus LS400), they were new and different to the market, and because of the inflated deutschmark at the time, the Japanese cars were great values compared to the Germans. For about $24k new in '86, the Legend had a V6 and a lot more room for at least a couple thousand dollars less than a 190E 2.3; the '90 LS400 was about $36k at a time when a 6-cylinder Mercedes 300E was about $45k. Now, they don't compare nearly as favorably. Second, particulary in the case of Acura and Infiniti, their lower end cars are so nice, why pay an extra $10-20k for an RL or Q? Diminishing returns, big time, especially if you factor in resale on Infiniti Ms and Qs. While something like the current Lexus LS is a very 'nice' car, they sure haven't changed much in fifteen years in terms of basic shape, power or size, and now their neck-and-neck in price with a Mercedes E430, if not more costly. Their kind of Japanese Cadillacs now, most drivers I see are seniors.
  • jrosasmcjrosasmc Posts: 1,711
    I didn't know your girlfriend had a LaCrosse- when did she purchase it?
  • lemkolemko Philadelphia, PAPosts: 15,294
    She purchased it on March 18th of this year. She is extremely satisfied with the car. The Buick customer service so far has been excellent. I might go back there to check out a Lucerne.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 23,040
    how the Lexus LS and Infiniti Q-ship seem to have "grown up" and aged. IMO the old models, especially those first, grille-less Q's, seem down right youthful in comparison!
  • prosaprosa Posts: 280
    Pricing is probably the B9 Tribeca's weak point. While the 5-passenger base models can be had for under $30,000, they're few and far between. Almost every model shipped to dealers is a 7-passenger model with leather and is priced in the mid-30s. Come to think of it, Volkswagen is doing basically the same with the new Jetta and Passat, loading up almost all of them with expensive packages. I know, this load-em-up strategy worked fine for Chrysler when it brought out the 300, even today it's hard to find V-6 base models, but the 300 was a big enough hit that Chrysler was able to get away with it. Not so with the Tribeca and Jetta/Passat.
    As for the Lucerne, GM has excluded it from the Red Tag promotion, which might be a sign of strong sales.
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    As for the Lucerne, GM has excluded it from the Red Tag promotion, which might be a sign of strong sales.

    Maybe wishful thinking?

    In reference to Chrysler, the load-em up strategy failed miserably on the Pacifica.
  • au94au94 Posts: 171
    the Ford Freestyle and to a lesser extent the 500? I don't see many Freestyles around and it seems that customers just opt for one of the alternatives (SUV or sedan) rather than an attempt at a hybrid.
  • prosaprosa Posts: 280
    There have been rumors that Ford is going to drop the Freestyle. Dunno if they're true, but I certainly don't see many of them on the road. 500's are slightly more common but certainly not as common as they should be.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 23,040
    from their mistake on the Pacifica. Took them a long time to learn though, because they did the same thing with the Reliant/Aries in 1981, and the Aspen/Volare in 1976!

    When the 300 came out, Chrysler had more of a variety in stock. Also, it seemed like they didn't flood the lots with them at first...they let them trickle in to see which ones the customers wanted. And in a rare occurence, it turns out this was one model where a good chunk of the buyers WANTED the pricier trim level! For awhile, something like 40% of 300 sales were the Hemi C model, leaving the three cheaper lines to scrap for the remaining 60%. In contrast, the vast majority of Intrepids and Concordes were usually the cheapest trim line. And even with cars like the Accord, Camry, and Altima, the top trim levels usually only account for a relative handful of sales.
  • au94au94 Posts: 171
    thats the beauty of the Honda and Toyota marketing plans.

    They sell the high volume models (think Accord LX, Camry LE) at a great price and well equipped to the majority of their buyers. But for the percentage that wants a baby Lexus or Acura, they can have a V-6, leather clad offering available as well. All off the same platform, same factory etc.

    This allows them to make larger margins on the meat and potatoes of the line up, but still not turn off a potential buyer with a few more bucks in their pocket.
  • martianmartian Posts: 220
    Did I spell that right? I hardly ever see these SUVs on the road-are they selling well? Is the rebading issue hurting the cayenne's sales? Whatever, they appear to be very gas-thirsty and ugly to boot-why pay more for one of these when you can get a better SUV for less money?
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 22,070
    actually, i see a relatively large number of cayenne's here in central Jersey. More often than i see toureags (i'm unsure of the spelling as well). As a matter of fact, the only Porsche I see more of is the Boxster. Its quite surprising.

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