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How sad is that. :sick: :confuse:
But the reliability on the newer Volvos had totally turned me off on ALL of them!
All I need are those 6 lottery numbers that have so escaped me lo these many years...
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
2018 430i Gran Coupe
Mack
Jaguar blew it, IMO, with the X-Type, the styling would have worked, but the car was a total dog. No power, bad quality, interior that looks like it came from an econobox with wood stuck on and some leather, you name it they blew it. The S-Type was another.. when it came out it was stuffed with cutting edge technology.. and little has changed since then.. it came out almost 10 years ago!
And the XJ is a shame.. it's really that good of a car.. IMO they should have made Nav standard from day 1, and advertised it properly.
The freaky thing about Jags is, all you have to do is throw a buyer the keys to one.. even the skeptics will buy half the time. Take someone out of an E430 and throw them in an XJ8... it's intoxicating inside that car. Then tell them that it gets darn near 30 to the gallon!
No, they did those stupid "Gorgeous" ads. Fools.
BMW had it standard before you could even get it on a Jag.. sheesh
It has Navi... heck, Oldsmobuicks could have had it in 95.. and my 97 740iL has it (Granted I retrofitted it but it was available).
Jag was also way late with Bluetooth among other things.. you couldn't get Navi that wasn't text based until 2004 in an XJ... welcome to the 21st century...
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
God is that the truth. I have a lot of CCBA customers and some of them are car people and some are not really.
I desperately need to get a contact at one of the local Jag stores for bird dogs but the people I talk to never last that long in the dealership. Whenever I have someone that is looking for a replacement executive sedan type car or a sporty GT I recommend jags. I had a guy about a year ago who had a lease ending on a 2004 M5 and didn't like the new body M5. I told him to get a XJR and he has never been happier. Only thing he wishes it had was a manual available.
In short that 60-100K miles is the period where a car (if properly maintained) is least likely to have major problems.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I now have an 04 Ody EX that I bought as a CPO (only moved up two years, but dumped 90K+ miles in the deal). The only thing I'd worry about on warranty are the motors for the sliders. Don't think I'm too concerned.
The ones that drive the 15k per year exhaust their factory warranty after 4 years. The next three years they will drive 45k miles so it works out better for these people. So these people have an extended warranty thats' 2 years 30k miles. In effect the extended warranty is a better buy for the 15k mile per year driver.
:shades:
Mackabee
Honda did the right thing and stepped up to the plate and covered these to 100,000 miles.
Mack
Funny thing on Siennas. When we bought our first Ody we were comparing against the old, smaller Sienna. We loved the Sienna but it was too small for our needs. We tried the new ones and didn't like them nearly as much. I do believe that just falls into matters of taste. I certainly wouldn't tell someone who bought a Sienna " You did WHAT??!!??"...... As they are finally culling the misfits out it's getting harder and harder to find a bad van.
A few? LOL. You always seem to be minimizing this Honda problem with Ody transmissions. There usually aren't recalls involved, and class action suits, when only a "few" transmissions are involved.
MPV getting a bit cramped and underpowered for you?
The recall was to check for possible problems that could cause trouble down the road. Honda did that on their own.
Our shop checked HUNDREDS of them and found ***two*** that "might" have had a problem and those transmissions were replaced. Who knows how those two may have been abused or what they may have towed?
Mack
Regardless of what the guys in the biz say about styling being the problem, (the guys in the biz aren’t the ones buying, customers buy) customers know it is a lack of quality. Once you have the stigma of poor reliability it sticks with you quite awhile. Just ask Honda and Toyota, they went through it and it took awhile for them but it’s paid off handsomely, hasn’t it?
Hyundai might actually be their equal now but the main stream buying public isn’t convinced yet and it will probably take a few more years but they better not mess up, even once, or they are back to square one. Honda and Toyota could have a dozen cars blow up, for no apparent reason, killing all occupants and they will come through it just fine. But let this happen just once to the guy that’s trying to overcome a poor legacy and he’s done.
Yes, most people want reliability not just styling. When your upscale stylish sedan is more comfortable in the service bay with others of its kind than in your garage, it’s a tough sell to convince yourself that styling is the way to go and what’s worse is you have nothing to show off in.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
2018 430i Gran Coupe
I don’t have an absolute answer for you. However, I learned years ago that only a rich man can afford to buy poor quality tools. Maybe this applies to cars too when the snob appeal is high enough.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
LOL, that was my first thought too, the "look at me factor"
We had a neighbor who tried to make people believe he was something he really wasn't. Just before he was forced to sell his house, the repo man came and towed away his Benz! Sad but he planned it all out himself...
You folks that think Ford is going to tank absolutely kill me
I wonder what we will do with our new $20,000,000 store when Ford shuts down
As far as I am concerned we are Appalachian State and the imports are Michigan right now. The game kicks off in the next few years
Because some people have more dollars than sense.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
I have inside information but I don't know who the buyer is yet or what the details are. No one will talk to me about that.
Poor Ford they are so convinced that Jaguar is toast they they are willing to dump Land Rover that has set record sales for the past three year running and makes between 500 million and ONE BILLION dollars of profit annually on a little over 200,000 sales worldwide.
Get in line for a 'Yota franchise? :P
2018 430i Gran Coupe
Glad you drank the Ford Blue Oval Kool-Aid. Hope the Ford Flex is the savior that your need, The F-150 isn't trounced by the Tundra( who is making a MONSTER push) and I hope the union negotiations go well.. I don't think you go out of business per se but I dont think your a top 3 or 4 car manufacturer either in a few years.
The Fusion and Edge will help bring us backed to the promised land along with the Flex.
The new Focus will be a good seller to as long as all consumers are not blind like Mack is
The new Sync system alone will get people in our doors who had normally not even considered a Ford.
We were talking last week in a Managers meeting about needing to find a buyer for all the older imports we are trading for now. I can remember in the past we could go a month or two and not trade for a Honda or Toyota, now we trade for 10-15 a month for the last 5 or 6 months. The majority of those have been on Edge and Fusion sales.
Product is not our problem, the problem is reputation. Ford is living proof that it takes years to build a good reputation and minutes to loose it.
We will have another down year next year I would guess then the surge will begin. The buyouts and plant closures were not cheap.
I just keep adding names to my list of people I get to say "I told you so" when the time comes
Wow! :surprise: "Overpriced" doesn't even begin to describe that!
Now what? These "quick shot" incentives simply train customers to expect and demand this all of the time.
Who REALLY pays for the zero interest?
They make $500,000,000-1,000,000,000 on sales of what, 200,000 units at probably an average of $40,000 each... that's $80 BILLION in sales volume per year.
Damn right they ought to net .75-1.5% or thereabouts. :confuse:
What do you think the profit margin is on one of those Louis Vuitton bags that so many women carry around? Everyone has a choice, don't like the price, buy something else.
At the end of the day it's good for competition. If profits get too big, others will gun for it and everyone steps up their game.
Edit: Now that I think about it, I bet there is more gross in a Hermes handbag than many cars.... kinda sad :sick:
That's my biggest problem with Ford right now. Nothing appeals to me ...
At the end of the day, the Ford shareholders do with lower returns and depressed share prices.
And your math is off. Forty thousand dollars X 200,000 = $8,000,000,000. Not $80,000,000,000. I don't even think Microsoft makes $80,000,000,000 a year, and they move waaaay more overpriced product than Land Rover.
That is the profit that Land Rover corporate makes off the dealers. For example on a Range Rover they might sell us the car for 71,000 dollars or so and we sell it to someone for 76,000ish. I have no idea how much it costs Land Rover to make a Range Rover and that number doesn't really matter because you have to pay for warranty claims, occasional incentives(we don't have many of those) business builder, etc.
You aren't one of those people who think the car company owns the dealerships are you? :surprise: