Today I had someone trying to get out of a 2007 Dodge Crew Cab STX 2WD with 10,700 miles on it. 8 cyl. It also had a cap on the back. They owed $21,000.
What would you guys ACV this for vehicle? Real Money????
We're facing a similar situation, though ours is a little better in that we're leasing. My wife is interested in the Lexus 400h SUV. We've priced them and got a pretty good deal, but given the market for SUV's and vans, I doubt we'll get a decent offer on our 06 Odyssey EX-L w/ RES/NAV. The payoff right now is around $24,800, though the best I think we'd get is in the $22,000 range, and that's being generous. Since I don't want to roll about 4 grand into a new lease, we'll be waiting. The wife's not thrilled, but she understands. Maybe I'll let her sit in one when we go to Disney.
Some people are just ignorant; or they decide on something, and nothing can persuade them otherwise.
Two weeks ago my wife comes back from her European trip and informs me that she is ordering the “Smart for Two”, because it’s only $15K and she’ll save so much on gas. When I asked her where she’s going to put the kids, she tells me that she will keep her one year old Odyssey, and use Smart for her commute to work to save on gas. When I pointed out that her commute is only four miles each way, she started talking about environment. After I told her that it takes a lot of energy to build a car that we don’t need, she screamed at me: “Don’t you use your logic on me!” Finally, I read her the CR review that trashed this car, and she backed off.
Are you sure we are not married to same woman? Oh, my wife drives 07 EXL w/ RES and NAV.
Ever since she got this bus she had been nagging me about Lexus RX, or any other Mid-size or small SUV, because the minivan uses too much gas. I don’t think there is an SUV that is better on gas than the Odyssey.
Be careful with the 400h. CR says that they got 16 city / 29 highway in it.
This is not from the Sales Front, but the home front. Long story short: Friday the daughter ran a red light and totaled (her description, we are still waiting for the insurance adjusters report) her boy friends pick-up. The good news, no one hurt physically.
So the wife and I sort of agreed that if the truck is totaled we would sign over our 1993 explorer with 200K + miles to the boy friend and we would get a new car. This plan has not been discussed out side the wife and I and we are waiting on the adjusters report.
Now the new car purchase is/was going to wait until July or August to give us some time to get some money moved around and a bill paid off and we would get by on one car for a few months.
I checked out the local Ford dealer on line and see that the Taurus I want is still available and I mention that to the wife. :shades:
NEW PLAN: The wife now informs me that she wants to wait until the 2009’s come out instead of getting an “older” car. What? 2008 is older? :confuse:
In a kind as I could be manner, I tried to explain that it will cost more to get a newer car as they have good prices on the close out models and the 2009’s will have a 3% to 5% price increase plus no deals. Of course that fell on death ears. :surprise:
Maybe when I get off this boat and I can talk in person and not on a cell phone it will make more sense to her. Why would I think that? :sick:
Well a Range Rover is a little bigger then a LR3 on the outside but actually has less passenger room since it only has two rows of seating.
The Range Rover is wider and taller too. Its not hard to be 12,000 dollars upside down in a Range Rover as the only vehicles that depreciate faster then them are AMG mercs, 7-Series BMWs and S/RS Audis.
Yes, he did. Go back and read the post. It was just last summer. See how cheap he is? It is no wonder that poor Mrs. jmonroe never gets to buy anything. Now she needs to put a hot pot on the dining room table. Then just maybe she'll get that dining room suit. :P
Reminds me of the couple awhile back who were in for service and the women decided that she wanted to buy a new Fusion and park her Expedition. She used the same logic with her husband, save gas, environment, etc. he said "Honey I had no idea you had gone green on me. If you really want to step up and help out I will just start dropping you off at the Music Valley Star depot (a commuter train that runs from the burbs to down town) and you can walk the six blocks from the depot to your office." She didn't like that idea, so she asked him to come out side and talk about it. She got a blue 4cyl with a moon roof.
Hell, she has not paid for a gallon of gas, an oil change, or a new set of tires since the day Bill went in to office. The Secret Service takes care of them.
All of the politicians talking about how tough it is just talk about it, they sure as hell don't live it like we all do on a daily basis.
Now she needs to put a hot pot on the dining room table. Then just maybe she'll get that dining room suit.
OK wise guy, just in case she finds this place and reads your post, I’m going to permanently attach the dining room table pads with pop-rivets. :P
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
I would bet the mini van would get better mileage than the hybrid RX. We have a friend that averages around 22 mpg combined and 90% of their driving is in the city.
Be like Al Gore and even though your 10,000 Sq Ft house uses 20 times the electricity of the average US home, be GREEN. These folks are so far out of touch with reality, they can sleep at night thinking they are doing good:
"A spokeswoman for Gore said the former vice president invests in enough renewable energy to make up for the home's power consumption. The spokeswoman said Gore purchases enough "green power" — renewable energy sources such as solar, wind and methane gas — to balance 100 percent of his electricity costs."
"Gore participates in a utility program that sells blocks of "green power" for an extra $4 a month. Gore purchases 108 such blocks every month, covering 16,200 kilowatt-hours and helping subsidize renewable energy sources"
"The Gores used about 191,000 kilowatt hours in 2006, according to bills reviewed by The Associated Press spanning the period from Feb. 3, 2006, to Jan. 5. That is far more than the typical Nashville household, which uses about 15,600 kilowatt-hours per year. "
"His Nashville home is more than four times larger than the average new American home built last year — about 2,400 square feet, according to the National Association of Home Builders. "
Gore has said he leads a "carbon-neutral lifestyle." To balance out other carbon emissions, the Gores invest money in projects to reduce energy consumption around the globe, Kreider said.
"For every ton of carbon they emit, he offsets that by doing investments in renewable energy sources," Kreider said.
Why is it okay for Gore to use excess resources that he preaches to others not touse and he just makes it "okay" by investing in a mutual fund which allegedly invests in renewable resources? He should just conserve.
Somehow this seems like someone with money excusing that it's okay for them to consume huge amounts of resources driving up the cost for the rest of us poor folk.
"To stay on topic: I wonder what he drives for his personal car? "
I hear he drives a Lincoln Navigator with 25 inch gold chrome rims with spinners, tinted glass all the way around, 500 watt stereo with sub woofers in the back. How's that for stereotyping? Mack
"His Nashville home is more than four times larger than the average new American home built last year — about 2,400 square feet, according to the National Association of Home Builders. "
You mean the average house built last year was only 600 square feet? That doesn't seem right. Just nit picking.
His Nashville home is more than four times larger than the average new American home built last year — about 2,400 square feet, according to the National Association of Home Builders. "
You mean the average house built last year was only 600 square feet? That doesn't seem right. Just nit picking.
Our 2 bedroom 3 bathroom condo is 2,415 square feet.
Be like Al Gore and even though your 10,000 Sq Ft house uses 20 times the electricity of the average US home, be GREEN.....
"His Nashville home is more than four times larger than the average new American home built last year — about 2,400 square feet, according to the National Association of Home Builders."
The article states that his home (10,000 Sq Ft) is more than 4 times larger than the average US home (2,400 Sq Ft).
We would be in the $11K-$12K range depending on if it was the 4.7 or 5.7 V8
Can't really remember. I knew I was going to be practicing when they were paying 450/mo and wanted to lower their payments. I just wasn't sure how much diffeferent it would be down South. The customer really thought their ACV would be at least $17,000..... :surprise:
Two weeks ago my wife comes back from her European trip and informs me that she is ordering the “Smart for Two”, because it’s only $15K and she’ll save so much on gas. When I asked her where she’s going to put the kids, she tells me that she will keep her one year old Odyssey, and use Smart for her commute to work to save on gas. When I pointed out that her commute is only four miles each way, she started talking about environment. After I told her that it takes a lot of energy to build a car that we don’t need, she screamed at me: “Don’t you use your logic on me!” Finally, I read her the CR review that trashed this car, and she backed off.
That was the funniest thing I have read all day...
"My Gawd...WHY?? Hasn't she seen gas prices lately?"
Some of the Hybrids are making much more sense at the current gas prices, others not so much. I was reading an article that listed the break-even time line for some popular hybrids when compared with equivalent non-Hybrid versions. The chart is based on $3.60/gallon gas and 15K/year mileage and research was provided by Edmunds:
Toyota Camry Hybrid--1.7 years Toyota Prius--2.6 years Chevrolet Yukon Hybrid-- 4.9 years
Toyota Highlander Hybrid--12.7 years Saturn Aura Hybrid--24.0 years
and my favorite:
Lexus LS600h (when compared to Lexus 460)--102 years!!
By the time the original buyer's grandkids or great grandkids inherit the car gas will likely be $20/gallon and so the 102 year time span may shrink some--providing gas is even available. Richard/jmonroe--sorry there was no break-even point listed for engineered quartz vs. formica, but opting for the formica has its own perils (or is that disincentive?).
As I recall, just a couple of years ago the break-even point for the Prius (compared to a comparable Corolla) was 8 years--maybe Mack remembers.
Well maybe my wife has a lead foot or something, but when I filled it up the other day, it was getting a smoking 16.5 mpg! I'm still trying to figure that one out since she only commutes about 15 miles a day. I took it on a highway trip of over 650 miles and the best I got was almost 24 mpg. To put it in perspective, the 96 S-10 extended cab V6 truck I drive for my rural mail route gets me almost 14 mpg, and that's on a 75 mile route with some 700 boxes and all the stop-and-go that go with it. Granted, I don't run the AC, but that's only because it quit working two years ago and I'm too cheap to replace the condenser not to mention the mileage hit I'd take and extra wIear on the engine. I'm still researching the 400h, but at this point with such short drives it can't get any worse mileage. I just don't know if it's worth the premium on top of the RX350.
"As I recall, just a couple of years ago the break-even point for the Prius (compared to a comparable Corolla) was 8 years--maybe Mack remembers. "
Heck I can't remember what I had for lunch yesterday, much less 8 years ago. They say the mind is the first to go. I don't mind going first but I'd rather wait. :shades:
The RX and Highlander hybrids were designed for performance and not fuel economy. The fact that it gets just slighty better gas mileage than the gas version was a byproduct IMHO. These vehicles are for the affluent that consider themselves "tree huggers" and want to save the planet. I think it's a little too late for that. We are running out of oil and things are going to get really ugly. Mack
you may save a little gas with a Lexus XXXh, but the maintenance costs are pretty high. crap and drivel just finished up their long term test on a 450h. the cost per mile worked out to be 80 cents. in fairness, it is a 2007 and they drove it 50k miles(extra 10k in depreciation). they averaged 25 mpg. it's a nice vehicle, just don't expect it to save you any money. i am keeping my paid off v8 suv for the foreseeable future and a couple of months ago, i upsized from a compact to mid size. i am hoping for 2/3 to 3/4 the mpg.
2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
Heck I can't remember what I had for lunch yesterday, much less 8 years ago. They say the mind is the first to go. I don't mind going first but I'd rather wait.
I thought they said the mind was the 2nd thing to go.
I thought they said the mind was the 2nd thing to go.
C'mon mike, you've been around here longer than me so you otta know it is the mind that goes first for the regulars here; hell, we don't even have a second thing to go bad. :shades:
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
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What would you guys ACV this for vehicle? Real Money????
We ACV'd it at $10,000
Just curious about the different markets...
GP
Two weeks ago my wife comes back from her European trip and informs me that she is ordering the “Smart for Two”, because it’s only $15K and she’ll save so much on gas. When I asked her where she’s going to put the kids, she tells me that she will keep her one year old Odyssey, and use Smart for her commute to work to save on gas. When I pointed out that her commute is only four miles each way, she started talking about environment. After I told her that it takes a lot of energy to build a car that we don’t need, she screamed at me: “Don’t you use your logic on me!” Finally, I read her the CR review that trashed this car, and she backed off.
Ever since she got this bus she had been nagging me about Lexus RX, or any other Mid-size or small SUV, because the minivan uses too much gas. I don’t think there is an SUV that is better on gas than the Odyssey.
Be careful with the 400h. CR says that they got 16 city / 29 highway in it.
Long story short: Friday the daughter ran a red light and totaled (her description, we are still waiting for the insurance adjusters report) her boy friends pick-up. The good news, no one hurt physically.
So the wife and I sort of agreed that if the truck is totaled we would sign over our 1993 explorer with 200K + miles to the boy friend and we would get a new car. This plan has not been discussed out side the wife and I and we are waiting on the adjusters report.
Now the new car purchase is/was going to wait until July or August to give us some time to get some money moved around and a bill paid off and we would get by on one car for a few months.
I checked out the local Ford dealer on line and see that the Taurus I want is still available and I mention that to the wife. :shades:
NEW PLAN: The wife now informs me that she wants to wait until the 2009’s come out instead of getting an “older” car. What? 2008 is older? :confuse:
In a kind as I could be manner, I tried to explain that it will cost more to get a newer car as they have good prices on the close out models and the 2009’s will have a 3% to 5% price increase plus no deals.
Of course that fell on death ears. :surprise:
Maybe when I get off this boat and I can talk in person and not on a cell phone it will make more sense to her. Why would I think that? :sick:
So exb0, I feel your pain.
The Range Rover is wider and taller too. Its not hard to be 12,000 dollars upside down in a Range Rover as the only vehicles that depreciate faster then them are AMG mercs, 7-Series BMWs and S/RS Audis.
Richard
If you were back on this side of the Atlantic Ocean, it would be even harder. :shades:
Richard
LOL!!! It appears that Adam and Eve turned into Jack and Jill.
Richard
Make that two of us. According to the polls, we must be the only two. :shades:
To stay on topic: I wonder what he drives for his personal car?
Richard
That is UNTIL you become a victim and you need to prove you are innocent before they can prove you are guilty :sick:
Richard
Which I am...... :shades:
BTW, if Hillary Clinton was anything of a politician like Indira Gandhi was, she would have been THE democratic candidate by now
All of the politicians talking about how tough it is just talk about it, they sure as hell don't live it like we all do on a daily basis.
OK wise guy, just in case she finds this place and reads your post, I’m going to permanently attach the dining room table pads with pop-rivets. :P
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
My Gawd...WHY?? Hasn't she seen gas prices lately?
How I wish we had an Indira Gandhi now. Obama---a Gandhi he is not.
Richard
Richard
Richard
"A spokeswoman for Gore said the former vice president invests in enough renewable energy to make up for the home's power consumption. The spokeswoman said Gore purchases enough "green power" — renewable energy sources such as solar, wind and methane gas — to balance 100 percent of his electricity costs."
"Gore participates in a utility program that sells blocks of "green power" for an extra $4 a month. Gore purchases 108 such blocks every month, covering 16,200 kilowatt-hours and helping subsidize renewable energy sources"
"The Gores used about 191,000 kilowatt hours in 2006, according to bills reviewed by The Associated Press spanning the period from Feb. 3, 2006, to Jan. 5. That is far more than the typical Nashville household, which uses about 15,600 kilowatt-hours per year. "
"His Nashville home is more than four times larger than the average new American home built last year — about 2,400 square feet, according to the National Association of Home Builders. "
Gore has said he leads a "carbon-neutral lifestyle." To balance out other carbon emissions, the Gores invest money in projects to reduce energy consumption around the globe, Kreider said.
"For every ton of carbon they emit, he offsets that by doing investments in renewable energy sources," Kreider said.
Somehow this seems like someone with money excusing that it's okay for them to consume huge amounts of resources driving up the cost for the rest of us poor folk.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Quit picking on Al Gore!
Were it not for him, the internet wouldn't exist and we wouldn't be able to "talk" to each other! :P
I hear he drives a Lincoln Navigator with 25 inch gold chrome rims with spinners, tinted glass all the way around, 500 watt stereo with sub woofers in the back. How's that for stereotyping?
Mack
You mean the average house built last year was only 600 square feet? That doesn't seem right. Just nit picking.
Nelson
You mean the average house built last year was only 600 square feet? That doesn't seem right. Just nit picking.
Our 2 bedroom 3 bathroom condo is 2,415 square feet.
"His Nashville home is more than four times larger than the average new American home built last year — about 2,400 square feet, according to the National Association of Home Builders."
The article states that his home (10,000 Sq Ft) is more than 4 times larger than the average US home (2,400 Sq Ft).
She was a shrewd politician, and even more a determined ruler. hint...hint....she would do anything to get the nomination. get the drift?
Can't really remember. I knew I was going to be practicing when they were paying 450/mo and wanted to lower their payments. I just wasn't sure how much diffeferent it would be down South. The customer really thought their ACV would be at least $17,000..... :surprise:
GP
That was the funniest thing I have read all day...
GP
"My Gawd...WHY?? Hasn't she seen gas prices lately?"
Some of the Hybrids are making much more sense at the current gas prices, others not so much. I was reading an article that listed the break-even time line for some popular hybrids when compared with equivalent non-Hybrid versions. The chart is based on $3.60/gallon gas and 15K/year mileage and research was provided by Edmunds:
Toyota Camry Hybrid--1.7 years
Toyota Prius--2.6 years
Chevrolet Yukon Hybrid-- 4.9 years
Toyota Highlander Hybrid--12.7 years
Saturn Aura Hybrid--24.0 years
and my favorite:
Lexus LS600h (when compared to Lexus 460)--102 years!!
By the time the original buyer's grandkids or great grandkids inherit the car gas will likely be $20/gallon and so the 102 year time span may shrink some--providing gas is even available. Richard/jmonroe--sorry there was no break-even point listed for engineered quartz vs. formica, but opting for the formica has its own perils (or is that disincentive?).
As I recall, just a couple of years ago the break-even point for the Prius (compared to a comparable Corolla) was 8 years--maybe Mack remembers.
Gogiboy
Toyota Prius--2.6 years
What are they comparing the Camry hybrid to the V6 or 4 cylinder model? Looks like the 4 cylinder model from the time period they are using.
What model are thy comparing the Prius too since it doesn't have a gas only version? Are they using the Corolla?
No, it was a Camry. Here is the original article:
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/environment/2008-05-11-hybrids-gas-prices_N.- htm
To put it in perspective, the 96 S-10 extended cab V6 truck I drive for my rural mail route gets me almost 14 mpg, and that's on a 75 mile route with some 700 boxes and all the stop-and-go that go with it. Granted, I don't run the AC, but that's only because it quit working two years ago and I'm too cheap to replace the condenser not to mention the mileage hit I'd take and extra wIear on the engine.
I'm still researching the 400h, but at this point with such short drives it can't get any worse mileage. I just don't know if it's worth the premium on top of the RX350.
Heck I can't remember what I had for lunch yesterday, much less 8 years ago. They say the mind is the first to go. I don't mind going first but I'd rather wait.
:shades:
Mack
it's a nice vehicle, just don't expect it to save you any money.
i am keeping my paid off v8 suv for the foreseeable future and a couple of months ago, i upsized from a compact to mid size. i am hoping for 2/3 to 3/4 the mpg.
I thought they said the mind was the 2nd thing to go.
C'mon mike, you've been around here longer than me so you otta know it is the mind that goes first for the regulars here; hell, we don't even have a second thing to go bad. :shades:
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl