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just a quick off-topic question to you pal, what do you think about the new BMW 1 series ?
I'm now in love with the new Bimmer 135i Coupe. I read some where you can buy a chip and 0-60 times can get in the 4.3 range !!!! Holy Smokes, forget the M3, the 135i Coupe with that $1300 chip is definetly the way to go !!!!
Of course it's not a GM, product thus I probably wouldnever buy one but it's still a cool car IMHO. I'm still excited about the Saab 9-3 "Black Turbo" 0-60 times are estimated in the low 5's. Throw a chip on that puppy and 4's could be achieved. :shades:
-Rocky
I have not seen the new CTS in the metal, so I am not sure I am gonna like it or not, but why not keep that on a list of future dream cars? Sure, it lists for $33k, but I bet ya it will sell some day at $30K with all the new good stuff, and the better engine which is now standard.
Then there is the Opel Astra. I assume a Red Line will be added, and blowen engines and all that jazz -- oh yeah chips too.
Or you can wait to retirement age, and buy a Corvette or something.
:shades:
My new car seems to be fun enough to drive on a daily basis, but I am still considering in the future another car for just sporting. Something used. You know, used cars are not always a bad thing. I had just as good of luck with used as new, when I think about all the years-gone-bye. Rocky , you like GM so buy a used CTS with the 3.6 V6 some day. I bet some are out there under $20K with low miles. If not in a few year there will be. And the older one may be the true classic.
Anything which goes faster than 0-60 in 7 sec. is pretty darn quick. Be careful with that speed. Is the sub 6, 5, 4, sec. times all that important?
Loren
Loren,
I agree the hatch isn't pretty but the coupe IMHO looks very nice. I like the front end of the C30 but the rest ofthe car is well just kinda fugly. I of course never have been a fan of hatch cars.
I have not seen the new CTS in the metal, so I am not sure I am gonna like it or not, but why not keep that on a list of future dream cars?
I think it will look great in the flesh.
Sure, it lists for $33k, but I bet ya it will sell some day at $30K with all the new good stuff, and the better engine which is now standard.
Yeah the base might be a good deal ? However I've never just owned a base trim car in my life.
Then there is the Opel Astra. I assume a Red Line will be added, and blowen engines and all that jazz -- oh yeah chips too.
I read this model will be assembled in Mexico, thus that makes it instantly crossed off my list.
Or you can wait to retirement age, and buy a Corvette or something.
My generation Loren, will not know what thedefinition of the word "retirement" means unless we inherit a lot of money or get in a lucky field where that is still a option. A 401K, plan alone will not get somebody my age the oppertunity. More and likely we will be the first generation that works till we are dead. :sick: I also wouldn't buy a Corvette, personally. I'd rather have room for at least 3 other's. I'd buy a Sky or Soltice and feed it chips, programmer's to increase the power out put. I didn't tell you this but yesterday mom and I sat in a Yellow Soltice GXP. I could perhaps see myself driving something like that now or if I did see retirement then if I must own a sporty 2 seater. They are surprisingly pretty inexpensive :shades:
My new car seems to be fun enough to drive on a daily basis, but I am still considering in the future another car for just sporting. Something used.
Have you driven a Soltice GXP or Sky Red Line yet ? :surprise: It's a sport optionand they aren't expensive like a Vette.
You know, used cars are not always a bad thing. I had just as good of luck with used as new, when I think about all the years-gone-bye.
Agree..... However if I buy a 2-3 year old car, with my GM discount I might as well buy new. See where I'm coming from. I in most cases can knock off $5,000-$7,500 off MSRP minus the rebates. If I were to fianance it Loren, the interest rate on new is cheaper than used in most cases. I also am not against leasing like you so that is a option buying new.
Rocky , you like GM so buy a used CTS with the 3.6 V6 some day.
The new 08' used I suppose is a option but I predict they will hold their resale pretty damn good Loren, for at least the for see able future pal. Just look at the curent generation used. I'd be better off buying a new one but they are RWD, and if I'm gonna own just 1 car that isn't a option here in Michigan. I'd rather buy/lease a Saab
9-3 "Black Turbo" and get the XWD (Cross All-Wheel Drive) option to get me through those winter months.
I was just a few hours ago looking at used cars as I'm probably going to get rid of the Impala, as it is a bad reminder of my Ex. I think most people would understand my position on that one pal. It's a car I thought my Ex, baught in her own name. You know the story already. I was looking at used Buick Riveria's (97-99's) Used Cadillac Seville STS's (2002-2003's) and haven't gotten to the used Aurora's yet. I did for fun look at used Twin Turbo Dodge Stealth's, 98-02' Trans-Am's, and Audi 200's.
I'm probably going to buy a used car for cash,
(something I won't want) so I don't have any car payment's. If I get in to Kellog's Cereal Company, I might lease a new car as miles won't affect me because the job is here in G.R.
(rumor I have a interview next week) again then my commute will be to long as in 50+ miles long making a inexpensive used car a better option. Mom, thinks I need to buy a Geo Metro for cash for work and then get something for leisure. Maybe a 90' 7-Up stang ? May be a GXP Soltice or Red Line Sky ?
I bet some are out there under $20K with low miles. If not in a few year there will be. And the older one may be the true classic.
I can't stand the interior Loren. The AWD option on the 08's only comes with the automatic. :sick: The last generation also doesn't have enough power thus making it slow. If I was going to pay in the 20's for a used car I'd rather go new with the G6 GXP Coupe with the Ram Air hood and hammer head spoiler.:shades: The only disappointing thing is about that car is I believe you are stuck with just the 6-speed automatic transmission. Sure it's a manumatic but I'd rather row my own. I could however live with it. I still would like to find a almost like new Riveria. I inquired on a 98' Supercharged model with 17K on the odometer. I'd like a Black or White one. Sure it's not a sports car but it's a big comfortable coupe. The Aurora of course like I said is still a option. I also might look at some used Trailblazer's, Jimmy's, Envoy's, if the price was right. I also wouldn't mind looking at 99-02' GMC Yukon Denali's how ever gas is in the minds of every one. :surprise:
Anything which goes faster than 0-60 in 7 sec. is pretty darn quick. Be careful with that speed.
Quick I agree, but fast I'd say is in the sub 5.7-second range.
Is the sub 6, 5, 4, sec. times all that important?
I guess if you look at your car as only an appliance that get's you from A to B, then sure it's not important at all. However if you like to drive then yeah it's important. I guess that numb experience from the camry, is why so many love em' ????????????????? :confuse:
-Rocky
http://www.trollhattansaab.net/archives/2007/07/a-little-bit-of-black-turbo.html- - #comment-15894
-Rocky :shades:
I was on Auto Trader last night and found a 99' Oldsmobile Aurora with the baby Northstar 4.0 V8 for $5,988 with 14,000 miles :surprise: "Talk about deal of the decade, eh" ?
I'm thinking I'll be purchasing this baby for cash, so I have no car payments.
I just now have to have my lawyer follow through with getting rid of the Impala, that I never signed in my name. :mad:
-Rocky
The Toyota Camry and the Lexus ES?
Besides, the paragraph also states that the Pontiac Vibe has a 3 year, 36,000 mile warranty. last I checked it was part of the 5 year, 100,000 mile warranty. I'm also under the impression that the Toyota matrix has a 3 year, 36,000 mile warranty... not a 5 year 60,000...
This is a very poorly put together list... :confuse:
The list could be better, but they did show the GM's love affair pretty well.
They actually pulled Toyota backwards into cloning. Fascinating!
DrFill
Enjoy the drive-
Loren
An Accord, Mazda6,Altima and Aura as an example are pretty fun to drive. Now I still do like the idea of RWD, but am amazed at just how good FWD is these days. I have 244HP which is enough to get me out of trouble when needed (maybe into trouble too
Loren
P.S. I forgot to add, a car having sould could also mean a good luxury ride and style, like an old Cadillac -- you know, some class. It is NOT always about the cornering ability and track. The '77 DeVille was pretty sweet for what it was suppose to be. And they made great limo's.
Looks like max HP on the Impala is at 5,600 RPM. Hummm, is that so different than a V6 max HP at 6,250 RPM? One thing you mentioned is true, you don't have to drop the Impala from 5th into 3rd, as it has no 5th gear
Loren
Just trying to be helpful,
Loren
I don't know who followed them.
-Rocky
-Rocky
The LS-4 has a 59 hp. advantage and I'm sure their is an even bigger difference in tq.
-Rocky
-Rocky
I stand corrected on the four door Tahoe.
Wasn't the S10 known for all its problems when introduced?
Loren
but the Altima and Camry are world beaters? The 2007 Camry is basically a car that caught up to the last gen Accord and Altima and gives you the bonus of a hybrid model. I fail to see why people cannot understand the idea that no one can completely leapfrog the competition these days.
That was hilarious!!!!
i understand your point, my point was who cares if the GM product is successful and outperforming the long established Miata. I pointed out several segments where GM was not late and there was no response. As usual people select a few convenient facts and use them to paint a broad picture. GM was late to crossovers and hybrids. The main reason Gm was late to crossovers is that foreign brands HAD NO TRUCK PLATFORMS and thus had to build trucks from car chassis. It wasnt that they were smarter than GM, it was simply a matter of getting products to market quickly. Until last year or so body on frame SUV models were the best sellers, not crossovers.
I never said GM was the first to cash in on the SUV craze, but I did say they were way ahead of their Asian competitors in catching the wave and cashing in. GM and Ford dominated that market until the early 2000s. Even now GM has 75% of the large SUV market.
Loren
Camry leap frogged in 2007 getting the engine to produce 269 horses with similar if not better mileage.
Honda for the past 10 years or so has always had a "bit" MORE HP THAN tOYOTA, only time will tell if Honda can keep up with Toyota with the new redesign.
Camry - 269HP - 19/28
Accord (2007 model)- 240HP - 18/27
So can Honda add 2 MPG and 30HP. I heard they intend to add cylinder deactivation to the New Accord, which might get them there. It would be hard to make a larger, heavier, 30HP more powerful vehicle 10% more efficient. A six-speed tranny will also help.
DrFill
Not saying plastic is the world's best material, simply that there are differing grades and quality.
That said, the Accord is geared completely different and will gets to it's powerband quickly.
How does a DoD engine turn 1900 RPM in the four cylinder mode? Seems like one tall gear for a four speed tranny. How do they do that? Will be interesting to see how these new DoD engines hold up over time on the road. Should know more in three years from birth, and a whole lot more after many on the road and over 100K miles on them.
Loren 8-6-4 and out
How about a graph of HOnda's torque?
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I applaud GM for making cool products. The Solstice, SKY, AURA, new CTS, and the upcoming Camaro are all striking. It's a basic comment, I know--but maybe that isn't so bad.
I like the CTS, and hope I like the New CTS. A bit leery about some of those changes. It had a really clean front, which fit the Art & Science theme well. Are the new overall proportions still correct. Wait & see
:surprise:
Loren
I never said GM was the first to cash in on the SUV craze, but I did say they were way ahead of their Asian competitors in catching the wave and cashing in.
The original post mentioned about 6-7 areas where GM was late. Agreed on the SUVs, GM has been in front of this and the SUV market is their bread and butter (perhaps along with trucks). The problem is that for them to be resilient in the market, they don't have enough diversification of strong products. But their very recent efforts appear to be coming on strong, and they are certainly doing a lot better than Ford and Chrysler.
With regard to GM leading the way, what could they do that was *new*? Perhaps a small truck, or a resurrection of the El Camino (as discussed in another post). I suppose because of their high cost structure, they almost need high cost cars to make enough profits such that smaller vehicles may not be competitive. That creates the problem that they are vulnerable to economic problems and high gas prices.
What strategy should GM use to diversify and have *strong* offerings that would protect them when people tighten their wallets? That seems to be one of their challenges to overcome.
Yeah, why couldnt buick use a cool name like "CX-7" or "MDX". Those names really resonate with people. Enclave actually makes some sense as a name. But I know that anything and everything GM does has to be wrong so why not attack product names.
No it didnt. The 2002 Altima had 240hp as did the GP GTP.
The 2007 camry produced 8-24hp more than most of it's V6 competitors, that isnt exactly a huge leap forward. And that doesnt even count the fact that the Impala and GP were already available with 303hp for the same money. As I said, the Camry was no huge leap forward. Aside from hybrid model it didnt offer anything not available on other vehicles.
I won't even comment on a GrandPrix. Pontiac's interior alone is enough to keep me away and My wife's 07 GrandPrix is horrible. So what if you can get 303hp in a GP. The torque steer is noticeable enough with the 3.8, with a 5.3 it has to be scary. Fit and Finish is terrible too. Misfitting of body panels and doors was suppose to be a thing of the past. Still live and well at GM.
On the drivers side door where it meets the passenger door is nearly a 1/4" off from being flush with the passenger door. Ironically, a friend showed up the other day in a 07 GP rental and it was the same way. It's not that way on the passenger side, so I can't imagine it was designed that way.
DrFill
As far as the V8 goes, notice how nobody followed the whole front drive V8 thing? Not such a popular concept it seems. GM did manage to get around the torque steer issue a little bit by upping the front tire width for the V8 models. Now the front tires are wider than the rears.