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The Camry and Avaloon also overlap significantly in the same ways-price and size.
2007 Lexus ES350.
3.5 V6, 272 hp, 6-speed, 3600 lb weight,
21/30 mpg, 0-60 in 6.1 sec.
2006 Buick Lucerne:
4.6 V8, 275 hp, 4-speed, 4000 lb weight,
17/25 mpg, 0-60 in 6.9 sec.
With the LaCrosse, the problem is right across the showroom floor. The Lucerne's prices overlap those of the LaCrosse to a fair degree, and the car is roomier and considerably better-looking, too. Not a smart move by GM.
Of course your numbers are correct but the buying public is still buying more Lucernes than ES's. Especially the V8. Somehow they seem to like the Buick better.
Feb '06: Lucerne 7327 ES 3223
Jan '06:..........6107....3333
Dec '06...........5812....6770
If you wre to look at only numbers you would say Buick is eating Lexus's cake. But as usual there are reasons for this. Lucerne is brand new and the hot car to buy today, The ES is old news and there is a new one coming out soon. But the Lucerne is also ramping up production and not reached it's peak yet. BUT the biggest reason Lucerne is doing so well is that it has a lower ATP than the ES. I can only guess the average is $32 or so while the ES is closer to $35. That difference can drive sales. As the Lucerne gets less hot over time the ATP will go down closer to the $28K range and the volume will actually level out at a higher level than today but at a less profit/car amount.
#1 a 6 speed auto
#2 a bump in horsepower
#3 gadgetology to compete with Toyota. The Avalon has a good advantage on the Lucerne
#4 The Lucerne needs to keep the walnut wood from the tiger edition, since it looks better.
#5 The Lucerne needs to have RWD in the future I believe. Do any of you disagree with me on this one ?
Rocky
"Johnson Controls Interiors" has said they want to move all it's operations overseas or across the border. Top wage at JCI is almost $16 an hour for a Tech. You start out at $11 and change. My cousin and his spouse, lost their jobs about 6 months ago do to cutbacks at JCI. My told me she even heard that the owner of Gentex was exploring the idea of putting another plant in Mexico. She has been there almost four years and only makes $13 bucks an hour. The insurance and 401K stinks. My Step-father had to go from making $22 an hour to $12 an hour, but he atleast has good insurance. He recently got a raise to $13. Mom says they are lucky, because they only paid $77K back in the early 90's for their home. She says it's hard to understand how people she works with can afford a $140,000 home on $13 bucks an hour. She told me some have their sister or parents living in these homes. :surprise:
I suppose eventually we will be like the Russians with a steel drum in the middle of the living room, all huddled up throwing paper in the barrel to keep warm. :mad:
Rocky
I think you'd be better of asking would you buy a Kia, or Chery or Geely ?
GM still is going to have a loyal following for a while. Their interior quality's and fit and finish have improved and are still better than anything Hyundai has to offer.
Now in 10-15 years, The Chinese could past Kia, Hyundai, and meet or exceed the best from Japan. I suppose it will be a gut check when that time comes. Do you want to support a potential WWIII opponent further with a purchase of a car or not ? :surprise:
I also don't understand why you left Ford and Chrysler out of the question ? Ford has came along way also in fit and finish, but I wouldn't say they are leaps and bounds better than GM. Chrysler's "Fit and Finish" is further behind and is at the levels of Hyundai. However Chrysler's fit and finsh is better than Kia. The reason why Chrysler is doing so well is because there cars are being more and more made outside this country. However there quality standards, do show up in the final product, but are cheaper in every way making alot of folks think they are buying american, when they could by a honda nad toyota with alot more american contenet.
I like lemko do like the new Imperial alot and feel they have proven when they are committed they can build a very nice car.
Rocky
World War III? I'm praying for the families at GM and Ford. But prayers don't work very well when it's "economic warfare".
Rocky
Rocky
Socala4, what do you think ?
Rocky
http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060402/AUTO01/604020302/- 1148/AUTO01
BTW- My father was temporary placed on the Jobs bank program in 87' during the recession. He said jobs were very scarce and we would of lost are home if it wasn't for this program. Dad also said with all the suggestions he offered over the years about $3 or 4 million dollars worth, which he said more than paid for his time being laid off and on the jobs banks.
I think most folks look at the Jobs Bank, and only see negative side of it.
Rocky
Supplier wants more money, seeks to cancel contracts
April 1, 2006
Delphi Corp. turned up the pressure on General Motors Corp. to fund a bailout of the insolvent automotive parts supplier by asking a U.S. bankruptcy court to cancel more than 5,400 money-losing parts contracts with GM.
The automaker, already battling falling U.S. sales and losses totaling $10.6 billion last year, now must contend with the threat that its largest supplier could stop shipping parts unless it pays more.
The contracts for parts such as brakes, batteries, oil filters and shock absorbers represent about half of the billions of dollars in parts GM buys from Delphi in North America each year. Delphi supplies more than $2,000 worth of parts used in every GM vehicle built in North America, or more than $10 billion in total business.
All but 10 of the parts contracts are with 21 U.S. plants, including six in Michigan, that primarily supply GM and are projected to post operating losses of $2.1 billion this year because of high labor costs, Delphi said.
"We need GM to cover a greater portion of the costs of manufacturing products for GM," Delphi Chief Executive Officer Steve Miller said in a news release Friday. "We simply cannot continue to sell products at a loss."
GM will not immediately need to find other suppliers to replace Delphi. Delphi expects its motion to reject the contracts to be heard at a May 12 bankruptcy court hearing, giving Delphi and GM 42 days to continue negotiations.
GM has been stripping away business from Delphi for years, and last week the automaker stopped buying spark plugs made at Delphi's plant in Flint. But shifting billions of dollars in parts business to other suppliers would take at least a year, said Van Conway, a partner with the corporate turnaround firm Conway, MacKenzie & Dunleavy in Birmingham.
"There's not that much capacity to take that GM business out of Delphi and put it somewhere else," Conway said. "It would take a year, minimum, to find the capacity to move that stuff.
"This new piece of information is bad news for GM," he added. "You can assume that if GM had to pay more on 5,000 contracts, it would be a lot of money."
GM, Delphi and the UAW have been in talks for months on a plan to cut the supplier's labor costs. UAW officials have said they expect GM will help provide financial support to Delphi workers to help make up for lower wages and benefits.
GM Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Rick Wagoner said he disagreed with Delphi's decision to try to revoke the supply contracts. But he added that he anticipated Delphi would take this step.
"GM will continue to work with Delphi, its unions and the court to achieve a consensual agreement that makes sense and is financially viable for all of the parties," Wagoner said in a news release.
Both GM and Delphi say they lose money in their North American business transactions. Delphi says that the high wages and benefits it pays hourly workers, continued demands for price cuts from GM and GM's falling sales have eroded its profits.
For example, a Delphi plant in Saginaw that makes vehicle chassis, which depends on GM for 85% of its sales, had an operating loss of $65.8 million last year, Delphi said.
GM has said it pays a penalty of more than $2 billion a year buying Delphi parts. GM agreed in the 2003 contract negotiations with the UAW that it would buy some parts from Delphi at above-market prices to subsidize some of Delphi's U.S. plants and support workers.
After Delphi filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in October, GM said it now could seek lower-cost suppliers for that business.
Delphi said it also delivered a letter to GM on Friday to kick-start talks to reset terms and conditions for more than 400 parts agreements that expired during the six months from Oct. 1 to March 31.
Delphi continues to ship parts to GM in accordance with those expired agreements, and said it will not unilaterally revise those terms and conditions before May 12. However, Delphi said that promise depends on GM not trying to buy those parts from other suppliers or making "hostile commercial initiatives" against Delphi.
-Loren
And GM can't really beat Ford in the price wars, and doesn't have the "chic factor" that Chrysler currently has.
HOWEVER, if it took on Hyundai directly right now, it might score a blow, as it is on the verge of out-pricing Hyundai, which is trying to move upmarket faster than is wise.
Meanwhile, if GM and Ford continue to try to beat everybody on price, they will just get thrashed when the Chinese arrive, as they will never be able to out-price them. They ought to be advertising facets of their vehicles that make them unique and/or attractive on an emotional level.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
-Loren
You forgot to factor in the possibility which I believe will happen is that GM could import Chinese Buicks. :sick:
Rocky
BTW- I'll take you up on your offer of a Northstar driven 15,000 a year vs. a garaged Avalon driven 2,000 miles and let's just see which one lasts longer eh ?
Rocky
If those Chinese cars work at least as well as the current American-built GM cars, we may actually see a consumer confidence boost in Chinese cars, which Geely etc can then benefit from! Which would be most ironic (in a bad way) for GM, given that it probably will sustain the earliest losses if the Chinese companies do well.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
GM should merge with Ford. They bring no value to Toyota brand.
Please look at the facts (of course you must have trust in JD Power not to be biased, which it should not since it uses scientific methodology)
Lets not forget that Buick and Cadillac both do better in IQS2 and VDS for 2005 than Toyota. And the Impala/Grand Prix/LaCrosse do better in both rankings than the toyota competitors. The Lucerne and DTS are not out long enough even for IQS2 but their based on vehicles that were #1 and #3 in their segments. Heck for IQS2 the ES does not show up in the top 3 in it's segment and neither does the Camry/Avalon.
Long term dependability Award Segment Model 2002 2001
Lexus LS 430 (Premium Luxury Car) 90 128
Ford Thunderbird (Entry Luxury Car) 107 ***
Lincoln Town Car (Mid Luxury Car) 112 137
Lexus RX 300 (Entry Luxury SUV) 114 163
Porsche 911 (Premium Sports Car) 116 222
Chevrolet Prizm (Compact Car) 122 165
Buick Century (Premium Midsize Car) 123 161
Buick LeSabre (Fullsize Car) 131 215
Lexus LX 470 (Premium Luxury SUV) 167 159
Mazda Miata (Sporty Car) 170 181
Cadillac Escalade EXT (LD Fullsize Pickup) 170 ***
Toyota 4Runner (Midsize SUV) 194 185
Chevrolet Silverado HD (HD Fullsize Pickup) 199 263
Chevrolet S-10 Pickup (Midsize Pickup) 202 246
Honda CR-V (Entry SUV) 204 215
Chevrolet Malibu (Entry Midsize Car) 221 226
Ford Windstar (Midsize Van) 224 306
GMC Yukon/Yukon XL (Fullsize SUV) 237 278
Ford E-Series (Fullsize Van) 294 324
Rocky
I will admit that a 30k to 55K Cadillac may last as long as a $15k to $30k Toyota, Honda, or Nissan. How many repairs in-between is the difference. And yes, the Prizm is a good Chevy/Toyota. The T-Bird has had transmission problems - wouldn't own one. Had a Miata - excellent cars, but too tiny.
And real long term reliability is more like 7 to 10 years.
Buick has the Century and LeSabre on the list of dependable cars, yet those two are now gone anyway.
So we start all over in wonder of how reliable the next generation will be.
-Loren
In the end, the conclusion was: GM needs to sell more cars!! Duh. That's the only thing that's gonna save them.
I hear the Death Knoll in the background.
Fighting Back
Critics are calling for Rick Wagoner’s head. But the feisty CEO of General Motors isn’t ready to give up just yet.
By Keith Naughton
Newsweek
April 10, 2006 issue (Online version) –
This is a tough time to be Rick Wagoner. The embattled chairman and CEO of General Motors is facing a growing chorus of critics calling for his head. With his company losing $10.6 billion last year and Toyota on the verge of overtaking GM as the world’s No. 1 automaker, Wagoner has become the personification of Detroit’s declining fortunes. He’s struggling to engineer a turnaround by closing a dozen factories, offering buyouts to all 113,000 of his blue-collar workers and trying to jump-start sales with new SUVs at a time of high gas prices. Last week his job got even harder: first, GM revealed a widening probe by the SEC and a federal grand jury into its accounting practices. And then Delphi, the bankrupt car-parts maker once owned by GM, asked a judge on Friday to toss out its labor contracts. That could ultimately spark a strike that could drive GM into bankruptcy, analysts say.
Wagoner, 52, has kept a low profile as the criticism has mounted. But now he’s decided to come out swinging. In an interview with NEWSWEEK, he offers a passionate defense of the job he’s doing and rejects the notion of replacing him with an outsider. Excerpts:
NEWSWEEK: How secure do you feel in your job?
Wagoner: Completely. Because I know in the end all of us are going to be judged on accomplishments, whether we address issues and take advantage of opportunities. And I think we’re moving on both fronts frankly pretty well. So I feel very confident.
Some say that because you grew up in the GM culture you’re unable to engineer the radical overhaul that’s required and that new blood is needed. What do you think of that?
That is so simplistic. These are sophisticated problems with historical tails that run back 80, 90 years. The chance of someone coming in and not understanding our business, making the right calls and doing them in cooperation with key constituencies like dealers and unions, is absolutely microscopic. That would be the biggest risk I’ve ever heard of.
The newspapers lately are filled with criticism of GM and you: are you reading it?
I look at the pictures. [Smiles] Obviously, I flip through all the major papers, but frankly, I don’t dwell on it.
What about the coverage has annoyed you the most?
They talk about that we are not moving to address the problems. I want to say, “Excuse me, what part of $15 billion in health care [cuts], 12 plants [closing], 30,000 people [cut], attrition programs, salaried health-care and retirement [cuts], salaried head-count reduction, a new sales and marketing strategy, advancing product programs—what part of that doesn’t exhibit not only a sense of urgency, but most importantly a sense of urgency in doing what matters?”
This urgency question arose when Jerry York (adviser to GM’s largest investor, Kirk Kerkorian) said in a January speech that GM needs to go into “crisis mode.” Are you moving fast enough?
It’s easy to announce stuff. It’s not so easy to do stuff, particularly if you can’t do it yourself, if you’ve got to do it in cooperation or in conflict with unions, if you do it with Delphi, if you need partners to consider a partial sale of GMAC. What has been done in the last six months borders on unprecedented accomplishments and advances. This stuff didn’t happen because somebody decided on Jan. 15, why don’t we do stuff? This stuff happens because we’re working on it, we’re ready to do it, we’re talking to people, and then when we have it ready, we announce it.
How’s your relationship with Jerry York since he went on the board in February?
He’s a proactive participant in the board process. Beyond that, I don’t think it’s appropriate for me to comment.
If Delphi does go on strike, does that make it inevitable that GM will file Chapter 11?
No, there’s a lot of footnotes on that. If one plant at Delphi goes on strike for a week? No. I mean it’s inconvenient, but conceivably minimal impact on us. If the whole of Delphi goes on strike for a long period of time, well, I don’t see why they would do that. It’s not in Delphi’s interest. It’s not in the UAW’s interest. And it’s not in our interest.
Why is bankruptcy a poor way to solve GM’s problems?
First of all, look at Delphi. That’s exhibit A. People assume that just because you go into bankruptcy you can all of a sudden walk away from all your historical liabilities to creditors and to workers. And it’s not clear that it’s just that simple. Because workers and unions do have the opportunity to participate in negotiations, it’s not a one-way cram down.
You’re a former CFO: how did GM’s accounting errors happen on your watch?
Well, to be perfectly fair, I was last CFO in 1994. But it doesn’t mitigate the fact that, hey, mistakes were made.
Is it embarrassing?
Sure, absolutely. I didn’t like it at all. But once you discover that something is awry, you need to fix it. We went through something like 20 million documents to put all this stuff together.
You played basketball at Duke and you’re very competitive. Would it bother you if GM fell to No. 2 behind Toyota?
From the priorities, the challenges that we’re addressing today, this isn’t at the top of my list. I’d say our focus at this point is getting our business right and profitable.
With all the progress you’ve made in quality and productivity, you still lag Toyota. Will you ever catch up to them?
You could ask me, “Will they ever catch up with us in China where we started on a level playing field and we’ve grown to be twice their size and radically more profitable?” I look at that and say, “Well, when we all got to start at ground zero and nobody had an exchange-rate advantage or a health-care disadvantage, frankly we did very well. We showed we could compete with anybody and, in fact, up to this point, better than anybody.”
I don’t think they’re giving up over there. And I would say that by the same token here, we started in some of these areas behind. And we made huge progress and we just need to keep doing that. So yeah, if we keep playing our game, I think we can.
GM’s stock-market value is less than a tenth of Toyota’s. Why is there so little confidence in GM among investors?
I think people are waiting to see what happens with [the partial sale of] GMAC and Delphi. And they’re waiting to see some turn in our business results.
When that turn is coming is a question you won’t answer, right?
You got it.
And why won’t you say when you’ll be profitable?
People are going to be judging us on the basis of our actual results. If there ever was a time when [former GM CEO] Jack Smith’s famous “Deeds, not words” is relevant, it’s right now. Until we get several of the overhang issues resolved and some clarity, we really don’t think it’s appropriate to put out a forecast. Once we get those resolved, w
GM cars are some of the coolest at classic car shows. Perhaps a smaller and more focused company, with a few great cars will be the new GM. The days of building basic transportation, as in rental car class automobiles may be over, as Japan, Korea and soon China can build those for less cost. I may be totally wrong on that, but that is how I see the game.
-Loren
Just not our thing
So aside from its blowtorch bun warmers, and perhaps its warmed windshield washer fluid, the Lucerne isn't exactly a hot one. It looks good on paper and in the flesh (Buick deserves bonus points for doing the portholes and doing them right), but out on the road, and in the cutthroat $28,000-$38,000 luxury sedan market, the 2006 Buick Lucerne CXL V8 just doesn't have the depth of execution to fight off its long list of new competition.
Cars like the Hyundai Azera, Lexus ES 350 and Toyota Avalon may have six cylinders under their hoods, but they deliver more completely on the promise of a premium sedan.
It's easily as reliable as any other large car out there - and drives better than a Camry or an Accord, that's for sure.
My 1987 LeSabre - my father bought 3 years old, drove it for 15 years, doing everything from 90mph into Flagstaff, to trips back to the midwest, to carrying a ton of electrical and construction supplies daily for ten years, then gave it to me. I beat the crap out of it even worse and it finally died at 19 years and 170K miles. If I had been nice to it, it would still be ruinning, like my sister's 1988 Park Ave.(bought 3 years old as well - was my mother's car) Her car, which was properly kept up is still running like new at nearly 200K miles.
My father's Park Avenue is close to 90K miles and has zero problems. But my Moher's LeSabre - it's got tons of power and a lot less weight, plus a very nice interior, not unlike the Lucerne(she has the top trim line with leather, HUD display, and all the goodies). Drives as well as any Lexus - for a lot less money.
Sure - it's not as fast 0-60, but it will press you back in your seat hard enough to make you wonder why exactly you NEED to go this fast in the first place. 5 people in it, with the A/C on full, and a trunk crammed to the last inch full of luggage and it goes up The Grapevine like it was a small hill. 45 minutes later - you're heading towards Bakersfield at 75mph in near silence. The cruise control never varied up or down the hill by more than 2mph. Temperature? Up ten degrees for five minutes, near the summit, then back down as if nothing happened.
How many 27K cars can go 80mph up that fully loaded, in the middle of summer, with the A/C on and basically ignore it? I've not had the same experience outside of an late 90's(last generation) Towncar. Except you can actually PARK this one.
My uncle's Avalon isn't as nice. Very close, but just not as many features and amenities. Every time I drive my parents to the airport, I am amazed at how refined it is. The Lucerne is even better.
Just...
GM is killing itself as we watch. Fantastic cars - very reliable and the best power to MPG ratio out there - worst marketing and resale value. Truly makes me want to cry. Someone should kick Wagoneer upside his daft head for slowly killing Buick.
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You obviously haven't heard the mantra. The Buicks are only old folks' cars; the Buicks don't last-just fall apart after 3 years when JDPowers quits taking data?; the Buicks don't have enough power; the Lucerne doesn't have enough horsepowere in base model; the Lucerne has too many models; the Lucerne should have had more variations to suit each to compare with foreign brand of their favor; the Lucerne shouldn't have had so many variations; the Lucerne has too much horsepower with V8; the Lucerne needs a V6 with OHC; the Lucerne needs 8 speed transmission because, well, just 'because'; etc.; etc.; etc.
People can't make up their collective minds what is not a good effort here, but they always can find some way to twist what is their pet point to turn it against Lucerne. If Hotoy were selling that many of a new model, it would be a wonderful success; Buick does it, "not good enough." Gimme a break. The Lucerne is a step forward. Oh yeah, I forgot, they should have taken 10 steps forward. :P
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Mine most certainly are!
And real long term reliability is more like 7 to 10 years.
My 1989 Cadillac Brougham and 1988 Buick Park Avenue are still going strong. That's REAL long term reliability!
It's easily as reliable as any other large car out there - and drives better than a Camry or an Accord, that's for sure.
Umm, I think your idea of a nice driving car and the rest of the buying public are quite different.
I've driven many late model Lesabre's & Park Ave's and quite frankly, they suck. Now that's my opinion based on the fact I don't like numb/sluggish feeling cars, which both the Park Ave and LeSabre are. I'd much rather drive a v6 Accord which I have and it fits my tastes much better and has much quicker reflexes and acceleration.
Reliable, I guess based on JD powers etc. My grandpa had a '97 & '00 Park Ave which both exhibited horrible build quality (misaligned panel gaps), electrical problems, and the '00 blew a head gasket by 60k miles.
The only way a vehicle powered by a GM 3.8 v6 is going to accelerate 0-90 in 10 or 12 seconds is by driving it off a cliff. BTW, I almost did that with my grandpa's Park Ave trying to navigate I77 thru W. Virginia while transporting the car from Florida to Ohio, I felt as if the door handles were dragging on the ground going around curves. Man I couldn't wait to get out of that car.
As for hill climbing performance I wasn't impressed. The 3.8 Park Ave could hardly go up any hill w/o downshifting out of o/d @ 75mph with just me in the car.
By the way, does Mr. Spock have a beard in your universe?
Great to see ya back pal. :shades:
Rocky
I think the 3.8 might be reaching the ceiling of its usefulness though, in cars like the Lucerne and the outgoing Park Ave. Some of these cars are around 3800+ lb, and that just might be a bit much for it.
It's not bad in the LeSabre though, or the various W-body cars. As for your '88 Park Ave, Lemko, those cars were pretty lightweight, and the 3.8 at that time was pretty torquey, so it might be a better performer than the more recent Park Ave, 3.8 Lucerne, etc!
The Lucerne also seems much better put together than the outgoing Park Ave. It seems that GM has made improvements with these cars over the years, and the newer designs seem to be built better. For example, I think the Lucerne looks like it has better build quality than the LeSabre, but then the LeSabre, which was last redesigned for 2000, seems better put together than the Park Ave, which dates back to 1997 in its current form.
Yours is about 500 pounds lighter than the last Park Avenues, and the gearing in the later ones is probably far too tall for a car and engine its size (3.25 is about as tall as you'd want to go for 3800 pounds and the 3.8).
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I'll try to make it.
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My old '82 Cutlass Supreme had a 2.41:1 rear end! But then, it didn't have overdrive, so in top gear it was still revving faster than a newer 3.8 with overdrive would. The overdrive would knock the 2.73, 2.94, and 3.08 down to 1.82, 1.96, and 2.05, respectively.
That '82 was a dog from 0-60, but was actually a pretty good highway cruiser and seemed to do pretty well at higher speeds. But then, I had that car 12-13 years ago, so my memory's probably a bit rose-tinted. I'd probably think that it sucks today! And even though I've had a few other cars around that vintage, they've all been V-8.
Andre, did you ever have the chance to drive GM's "hidden secret" the cutlass famous 3.3 V-6 (rare) ?
That car would throw you back in your seat. I think dad's was a 91' :surprise: It has nearly 300,000 miles on it and it's still running.
Yep, and that's part of the problem. Putting those ratios in a car closing in rapidly on 4000 pounds is the kind of work suited to a smallish V8 (which is why the Impala and Monte Carlo get the LS4 and the Lucerne gets the Northstar). The 3.8 simply isn't enough engine to do that. A 3.55 final drive would cure the acceleration problem, but clobber the fuel economy and run the poor old 6 out of breath even sooner.
What year was that? Is that the same as the 3300 in 1989 Century? Had one. Great. No EGR needed. Good gas mileage. Power of a 3.8 and economy of a 2.8 from that era. They dropped the motor after a few years.
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Dad never had to anything but change the oil every 5,000 miles or so.
Rocky
Nope, you guy's can only wish, LOL!! NO, I was out of town for a week, and have been busy with a "honey do list" a mile long.
I've been routinely monitoring the boards but haven't had much time to post. I posted today since it appeared to me this thread needed a bit of stirring up!!