Ford Super Duty Continued - VII

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  • koakeykoakey Member Posts: 109
    Beckel, didn't know that dealers could be placing orders for 2001s yet. 7 months lead time sounds fishy; Ford will stop building the 2000 SD on July 28. After that, there is a plant shutdown for retooling and vacation. Nothing has been announced officially on 2001 changes... rumors of heated seats and something else (don't remember what). Colors, no word yet.

    Both Beckel and Cr133r, check out www.ford-diesel.com ; the 'Ordering Information' forum. There have been rumors of what is different in the 2001 and also many discussions of dealers with good deals and good allocation (which frequently translates to good delivery - depending on what commodities you're looking for (tranny, cab, engine, etc).
  • todlaketodlake Member Posts: 48
    I installed 55 watt backup lights on my 99 F250SD by leaching into the 7-wire connector and it worked great. If there's no power back there, sounds like a good ol' fashion wire trace job. Good luck!
  • dave84dave84 Member Posts: 75
    Have you installed the relays and fuses that are part of the trailer tow package? They should be in your glove box w/instructions. If they are not installed, the backup light circuit will not work.

    Dave
  • toro98toro98 Member Posts: 7
    Thanks Dave. I remember seeing the trailer packet in my glove box. I'm going to take a closer look at it now.
  • toro98toro98 Member Posts: 7
    You were right Dave84. I installed both relays, tested the connector and I got Juice. I didn't have to install the 30 amp fuses for the back-up lamp connection. Only the two relays. Thanks again.
  • wassbewassbe Member Posts: 11
    I ordered a F250 SC PS 4x4 LB XLT on 9/7/99. The truck is scheduled to be built next week and delivered 4/3. During the last six months of waiting & researching the ordering process I believe the system works like this: If you are paying close to invoice price, a 6-7 month wait may be accurate - you get to wait in line with everyone else. I have heard of many cases of people getting their truck in just a few weeks, but often they are paying top $ and get bumped to the front of the line. Dealers never stop taking orders, '00 orders that don't get built will end up as a 01' model, unless you cancel the order.
  • koakeykoakey Member Posts: 109
    I don't think your assessment of close to invoice resulting in a 6-7 month wait is accurate. I didn't pay much over invoice and waited 11 weeks. ford-diesel has had people also with very attractive deals with reasonable delivery times. Ordering trucks can be very attractive to many dealers since their profit on the truck is a known entity (as opposed to a truck off the lot). You need to know invoice price and shop around to a dealer with decent allocation that will sell at a competitive price. Some dealers will also make attractive deals on lot trucks as well, just gotta shop around.
  • bessbess Member Posts: 972
    Actually, your not really correct.. The reason folks are waiting a long time for delivery is due to dealer allotments..
    If you have a dealer that has large allotments, delivery times are in the 8 to 12 week range..

    Its when the dealer is ordering outside their allotments then the wait times can be extreme..

    I think there are some cases, where individual dealerships that have low allotments, will 'reserve' their allotment slots for folks who pay more.. This is done basically by a. dealer not really submitting the order, or b. the dealer putting in a very low priority number (higher the number= lower priority) The dealer is allowed to put priority 10 (best they can do) for any truck they order.. IMHO, those are poorly run dealerships that are not customer oriented.

    Remember, FoMoCo gets the same amount of money regardless of how much over invoice you pay, so its strictly a dealer issue..

    If you deal with quality dealerships that have good allotments, theres no relationship between price paid and delivery times..

    I got my truck in under 8 weeks, for a settled price of $100 over invoice.. (actual ended up $400 under cause of a local rebate).
  • d4xycrqd4xycrq Member Posts: 9
    Folks,

    My '00 F-250 SD, Regular Cab, Lariat, V-10 is finally parked in the driveway! The vehicle was ordered on 29 October, built in the wrong color on 1 December, then reordered on 2 December. It was built in the right color on 10 January, put on a big ship on 18 February, and delivered to Bremerhaven Germany on the 10th of March. I picked it up in Bremerhaven yesterday at 9 AM. The 600 mile return to England took me through Germany, Holland, Belguim, France (across the English Channel), and home to England. I arrived home at 9 PM tired as heck! I got 13 MPG averaged over the entire trip. I had to buy gas in Holland. It cost $2.86/gallon.

    More later,

    Ray in Sunny England...
  • craigwilliamsocraigwilliamso Member Posts: 13
    that a chap in England can recieve his new Super Duty faster than an American who works for FoMoCo and lives in Indiana. Kind of makes you go....huh
  • bowhuntwibowhuntwi Member Posts: 262
    Reading thru the manuel, I found you need to retorque your lug nuts at 500 miles. At first ford wanted to charge me for it. (the owner) then I talked to the Service Manager, and he said they did that under warranty.
    Still averaging about 12.9 mixed driving, gas dropped to 1.48.9 for regular, getting my cap looked at on Saturday by the ARE Rep., plus there doing the grill guard.
  • hornbreakerhornbreaker Member Posts: 7
    if your looking for invoice call 1-800-buy-ford. ask for jackie she will help you. also after you tell her exactly want you would like in the truck she will fax you the price you will pay plus tax.
  • jimvetajimveta Member Posts: 96
    Congrats on your delivery! I'm just curious
    how are people's reaction to your truck there?
  • lewaclewac Member Posts: 151
    the subject keeps coming up, but Bess has it correct. Ford's got a hot item here and if the dealer doesn't have allocation for a specific config you don't get a truck no matter how many orders they place (or what the priority is for that matter (see ford-diesel.com on this issue)).. no allocation, no trucks, simple as that. there are dealers with good allocation AND good prices. earlier in the model year you could order from these and expect delivery in 6-10 weeks (with a few falling outside that range... but not many). now, even good allocation doesn't guarantee a delivery like that because Ford is "slammed" with orders that they physically cannot deliver within that earlier in the model year time frame.

    and besides the obvious, these trucks are a little different than most cars. cars come pretty much fully equipped (when's the last time you saw a car with "roll-down" windows?) & many (including ourselves) are not quite as particular about the config. therefore, it's more likely that you can accept something in the floor plan somewhere that will be "close enough".

    not so with the "beasts". most of us ordering need an EXACT config which precludes something out of stock that may be close. "Close" becomes NOT quite close enough and that's what makes the difference. so later in the model year, you wait because you not only "want" a certain config, it's also the only one that is viable for your specific situation.

    now. saying all this I'll stick my neck out a little more in regard to all those waiting on v10's. these configs are VERY much in demand (how many are on lots?) and ALL orders on them are obviously really "tight". as a dealer, would you rather order one of these HOT items for your dealership (to subsequently sell at "top dollar")... or would you rather order one (thus taking it out of your "tight" allotment) for some bloke to support an "invoice" sale? supply, demand, possibly greed, even survival, essentially "creates" the problem here. and the internet is adding fuel to the fire. why? because we (the public) are "armed-to-the-teeth" with data that is "on-the-money". in the past a dealer could "snow you" because you really didn't know what THEY were paying for what they were selling. now, not even the option codes are "hidden". not even the holdback is hidden. the dealer thus has a hell of problem because we're holding all the "guns" AND all the "bullets"! if they try to "squeeze" just ONE percentage point out of a deal, they know that WE know about it. so what happens is that they'd MUCH rather sell to someone off the street that does NOT walk in with a stack of edmund's (and others) "nasty" papers. the REAL problem here is that more and more people will continue to do just that. and for one, I would NOT want to own a dealership in this day with no place to "run". no place to "hide".
  • adubahbiadubahbi Member Posts: 24
    2000 F250 Lariat 4x4 v10 auto LB CC 265s ESOF 3.73LS Green/Gold supposed to be built this week and delivered to dealer 4/3. VOPC=no new news

    Anyone got anything good or bad to say about Ford molded splash guards and wraparound bug shield. Dealer install???thanks
  • shotgun1shotgun1 Member Posts: 57
    Got the Ford molded splashguards. Installed them myself. No drilling involved. They screw into existing holes. Mine did come with the wrong hardware package at first. Had to contact the company that makes them for Ford to get correct parts. All worked out in the end. There are probably flaps out there that look as good or even better(and surely cost less) but I just wanted the Ford parts on the new truck.
  • jlapointe1jlapointe1 Member Posts: 7
    A friend recently returned from a trip to the sunny south with his 99 F-250 V-10 4x4. He towed a moderate sized 5th wheel camper too. When he got back, he had a rather interesting story to tell. He normally uses regular unleaded fuel (87 octane) but got stuck buying some high test at one of his fuel stops for one reason or another. He said the high test made that V-10 much more powerful and made the hills in Pennsylvania a breeze. He will probably be buying high test from here on out. I am wondering if anyone else has had a similar experience.
    Jeff L.
  • sdmansdman Member Posts: 65
    If you are on the west coast, or in the Northwest and are looking for a truck, try Don Wellner (Internet/Fleet Sales) at Sound Ford in Renton Washington. I received my F250 exactly 8 weeks + 1 day after I ordered it, for $500 over invoice.

    For those waiting on V10's but considering the PSD, I'll post the experiences to date with mine (1800 miles). This is the first diesel that I have owned, and I have to admit that I went back and forth several times (like Mainecowgirl deciding on a color) before I ordered the PSD.

    The Rants:

    1. It's noisy. Not as bad as some of the older diesels on the road, but without question louder than a gasser. Once the engine warms up it smooths out some, but it's still loud on acceleration. It's really pretty quiet cruising at highway speeds. BTW - it's not so loud that you cannot hold a normal conversation while driving.

    2. Oil changes cost a lot more. An oil change means using 15 quarts of oil.

    3. The diesel smell. This is a very small rant, but included for completeness. I was worried about the truck stinking up my garage, but after a couple of months I say that except for a wiff now and then, it's really not a problem.

    4. The extra $3900 bucks. It's an expensive option. FWIW, there is a "mileage calculator" spreadsheet on www.ford-diesel.com that is supposed to show you where the "break-even" point between the V10 and PSD engine falls. I filled it out being as honest as I could with the numbers, and it says that the Diesel will have paid itself off after 54K miles. YMMV.

    The Raves:

    1. Gas mileage. After 1800 miles I am getting 15.7 MPG (according to the overhead computer). My config. is a F250, CC, 4X4, 3.73LS, Auto Trans. This is a combination in town and some highway driving. I am basically commuting 15 miles each way to/from work. I have heard others say that once the engine fully breaks in, I can expect around 18MPH. The mileage has been climbing since I bought the truck so I am hopeful. Right now, it's kinda cool seeing all those "small" Jeep Cherokee's and knowing that I am getting the same or better gas mileage than they are :-) BTW, in the Seattle area, Diesel costs the same as regular unleaded, and is readily available.

    2. The Power. This baby can haul. The power is unbelieveable. We have both a camper and a horse trailer and the PSD pulls both like they are not even attached.

    3. The Sound. While it's loud, I have to admit that the PSD sounds really cool.

    I am interested to see what other PSD or V10 owners have to say about their trucks...
  • d4xycrqd4xycrq Member Posts: 9
    Jim,

    As I was driving through France, I got lots of thumbs up and smiles. When I drove in my neighborhood this afternoon, about 20 kids followed me and the truck to my driveway for a look. Otherwise, there have been lots of people that flat stop and stare.

    Ray, in Sunny England.
  • jimvetajimveta Member Posts: 96
    cool! it's interesting to hear how people are in
    awe ..must be like a giant to them :)

    btw, to anyone who's interested, Kenne Bell's
    coming out with a Whipplecharger for the V10 in
    a few weeks (i hope.. because in fact, it's
    already done and my mech friend has "beta tested"
    it, just need the packaging, etc)
  • psmith13psmith13 Member Posts: 32
    Ordered my 2K SD V10 CC on 2/22 and had to put down a $500 deposit. The price I got was $1900 over invoice but was close to home. (ALASKA) I recently talked to a dealer in WA that will order the same truck $100 over invoice. He also wants $500 down. I want to go with the order in WA because even by flying down (W/FF miles) and driving back to AK would only cost between $400 and $500. Bottom line, is there a certain tact I should use with my current dealer to get my deposit back other than ask!! Any tips?
  • mainecowgirlmainecowgirl Member Posts: 103
    Hi Ray,

    I am so intrigued that you have a F250 in England. I have spent a bit of time there and have a British brother-in-law, and I just can't picture a truck like that negotiating some of those narrow country lanes! What exactly is your use for that truck there...not that you need an excuse to have a great truck like that? BTW are you yourself a Brit?
  • gtt1gtt1 Member Posts: 63
    Just got home from a 2700 mile round trip to Las Vegas, and averaged 13 mpg. Y2K 350 CC v10 4x4. The best we saw was from Flagstaff to Kingman: 19.7 mpg!(Going home it dropped to about 10- 11) The only problems were the popping in the front springs and when I used cruise & try to climb a hill, it would downshift and not upshift back in to OD. Anybody else have this?
    I got a little nervous in some of the garages there as far as height, especilly in Golden Nugget, about 2" of clearance.
    I usually run 87 octane and have no complaints, but one time I filled up with 93 and saw no real improvement in power or milage.
    For those looking in Texas, try Grande Ford in San Antoino or Bluebonnet in New Braunfels.
  • d4xycrqd4xycrq Member Posts: 9
    Hello Maine CowGirl,

    I put lots of mile on the truck yesterday, running typical pickup truck errands. My girlfriend is remodelling her kitchen so we were at the Home Depot-like store and half filled the bed with stuff. Later, the floor covering dealer called and we went round and picked up the Linoleum roll. It would have never fit in a tiny British car. Today, we'll be making a dump run. So you can see a pickup comes in just as handy in England. No pulling enormous Horse trailers for me. By the way, the brits consider a Nissan Pathfinder the most capable towing vehicle, and you often see them pulling horse trailers. You are right about the country lanes being narrow. Even my Honda Civic was too big to pass another vehicle in some of those, so I am not in the penalty box with the SD. You just have to pull off to the side and creep by the oncoming car. By the way, I am an American stationed here with the forces, and not a Brit. I am located at RAF Alconbury which is exactly 60 miles north of London. I bought the truck through Overseas Military Sales, affiliated with the Base Exchange (AAFES). They are a distributor for Ford, so the orders don't take the same route as dealer orders. According to OMSC, they usually go to the head of the line with their orders, but very rarely, the dealers have higher priorities. (That's why I could place an order on 29OCT and the was truck built on 1DEC! Unfortunately it was the wrong color.) By the way, my truck had the shipping shims in the front leafs, has no cackle or piston slap (so far) and isn't squeeking (yet)! I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

    Regards,

    Ray in Sunny (really) England.
    '00 F-250 SD SC, Lariat, V-10, 4.3:1, Bright Amber Clearcoat Metallic.
  • tbender1tbender1 Member Posts: 5
    August 4, 1999 order is finally manufactured and will be delivered week of 3/27/00 -- F250 SD Lariat CC 4WD PSD AT (at dealer invoice). Complained about delivery to Ford CAC about 6 weeks ago, next week dealer called with build date. Don't know if timing was coincidental or the CAC played a part. My 1st Ford of 6 trucks, hoping the ownership experience is better than the ordering erperience. Does anyone have serious negatives to a tonneau cover over the box?
  • bessbess Member Posts: 972
    I had the chance to test the braking of the SD last night. Driving home from the ultra-cross (indoor motocross), 2 deer went for the dash of life.. The first deer was no problem and went plenty early, but I knew for sure his friend would follow him and I nailed the brakes!

    Result: Rear antilocks pulsed away, and amazingly enough the fronts didn't lock until just before I stopped.. I haven't gone back yet to see how far I slid, but no more than few feet.
    Truck tracked straight on, no pull whatsoever to either side.
    In the last instant of the skid, the deer bolted and cleared the truck but no more than 3 feet.
    I looked back to make sure the motorcycle in the bed didn't come loose.

    I'm not sure if I flatspotted the fronts yet, but I don't care if they are. A few new tires are cheap compared to getting body work done.. Plus you don't have to worry about matching paint, lines etc..

    Ive kicked in the antilock rears on the truck several times just under 'normal' braking if your going down hill on a rough road and braking for a turn off.
  • porkyporky Member Posts: 83
    YO -- C.Elvis. I may have missed your post declaring receivership of the Ford duffel bag. I got mine so you should have received yours by now.
    Nice bag.

    I have 2040 miles on my beast now and have changed oil & filter twice (personal choice to change break in oil frequently). On a V-10, 6qts of oil will bring the level into the checkered area between "add" and "max" marks. 6 1/2qts will bring it right up to the "max" mark and 7qts will definitely be OVER on my unit. We talked about this MANY posts back. Just wondering if anyone else has had similar results. Thanks, Paul
  • sherwoodforsherwoodfor Member Posts: 52
    many of us are interested in our expected mileage on our rigs. i live in a cold weather climate - the snow plow goes on around thanksgiving, and comes off sometime b/w easter and memorial day. anyway, in these northern climates, the diesel is pre-mixed with no-lead to lower the gel point at which diesel becomes jello. this winter mix also lowers the cetane level (basically the same as octane for gas) and hence, mileage. to combat this, i generally use an additive, "Howe's anti-gel". it guarantees to keep your fuel from becoming jello, and it will raise your mileage by at least 5%. both claims seem to be valid. questions:
    1. have/do other diesel operators out there have winter mix in their area, and if so, experienced the same dip in mileage?
    2. what other fuel additives are others using in their diesels, and what type of results are you experiencing?

    this last bit is for you sunscreen - have had a gmc sub for 6 years with the T-dsl and it has been a great truck. always starts (even at -25f), never plugged in, quiet and gets good mileage (16-18) even now with 115k miles on it. in fact, it's such a good truck, that my wonderful wife is going to get it when my 00/350/cc/4x4/srw/sb/green/xlt and some other stuff, arrives in the next couple of weeks.
  • crazyelviscrazyelvis Member Posts: 216
    Geeez....I must be on the "Do not mail the duffel bag to crazyelvis" list. Short list I would presume.......
    I have had 2 oil changes....I go to Mr. P's...down the road a bit....<<V10>>....both times they have put in 6 1/2 quarts of the penzoil 5w30.....I know it says 7 in the book...but 6 1/2 does fill er' up.
    Now how do I contact Ford and complain about my duffel bag????!!!!!!!
  • dwucherdwucher Member Posts: 79
    Ordered 1/18. Serialized and scheduled 3 weeks ago. Built 3/15. Released from plant 3/16. Original dealer eta after schedule was week of 4/3. If it doesn't get lost, should be here by then. Around 11 weeks start to finish, just as promised. y2k f250 cc sd sb 4x4 v.10 4.30ls 5spd esof harvest gold. Nichols Ford Fort Worth, TX. Pam Williams. Paid invoice, with 500 down. They still haven't cashed my down check.
  • dwucherdwucher Member Posts: 79
    The fed is probably going to raise interest rates 1/4 percent on tuesday 3/21. Lock in now if you can. E-loan still beats my local banks and our credit union.
  • bessbess Member Posts: 972
    I didn't get a bag either.. I guess if I can afford a 23k truck, I can afford buy my own luggage.. :)

    Also, on the Hallmark card, they apologized for the fact that I wasn't completly satisfied..

    Funny part was, I wasn't all that negative.. The dealer professional, delivery was prompt (7+ weeks). The only comment I made was the fact that when I ordered the truck, the salesman assured me several times that the XLT had 4w abs standard.. (Although I knew better, because of forums like this).
  • vwoovwoo Member Posts: 17
    Just got in the mail the other day two cloth folding chairs with a storage bag with the Excursion. They have Excursion embroidered (sp?) into them. Probably paid less than some of you guys for your SD ($31200). Nice gesture by Ford though.
    Still waiting on the '00 SD SC V-10 SB.
  • baybearbaybear Member Posts: 18
    I'm not sure what mailing list I'm on ,but in the driver's seat 12/17/99 and have received 3 duffle bags so far,all with the "we sorry it took so long letter" from Ford. My 3 children are happy, a duffle for each.
  • koakeykoakey Member Posts: 109
    lilemo, I've got a picture of the Snugtop on my truck. Pardon the dirt but everyone keeps telling me it's a work truck. 20+ miles on soggy dirt roads this weekend; hose is still under 6" of snow and the nearest car wash is about 20 miles away :)

    http://home.rmi.net/~roakey/koakey/topper.jpg

    Just pretend the truck is clean. :)

    sherwoodfor, check out

    http://www.ford-diesel.com/ubb/Forum15/HTML/000852.html

    for an interesting discussion of the Stanadyne additive. Stanadyne seems to be the preferred diesel fuel conditioner on the www.ford-diesel.com web page. You can order cases from DIS ( www.dieselpage.com ). Seems like cold and/or poor fuel quality benefits from Stanadyne (don't know anything about the additive you're adding but sounds like it should work similarly).
  • koakeykoakey Member Posts: 109
    Wrong URL

    http://home.rmi.net/~roakey/koakey/Topper.jpg

    should work... sorry 'bout that
  • sherwoodforsherwoodfor Member Posts: 52
    nice truck and nice topper. it ought to be a requirement that all the "haves" post a picture of their rig. what brand of topper do you have, and if you don't mind my asking, what was the ballpark cost?
    mainecowgirl, forgot to post "nice evasive driving" yesterday. you probably know that deer always come in packs of 2+. it's not the first one that will get caught on your bumper, it's usually one of the followers...
  • koakeykoakey Member Posts: 109
    The topper is a Snugtop XV. Ballpark was about $1500 installed (included headliner, front slider, dome light, cool latch mechanism, LED third brake light). It fits over the rails so no topper tape required for install. It uses hooks to hook onto the rails on the inside. Side windows slide. Only possible negative is the privacy glass. I like it until I have to back up at night; the backup lights are a pretty poor excuse and I can't see a thing... (the rest of the time, I like it).

    btw, for a clean truck sans topper...

    http://home.rmi.net/~roakey/koakey/f250dog.jpg

    The guard dog is our Bouvier :)
  • wildside1wildside1 Member Posts: 77
    I don't need the bag .... but would like to get one to give to the wife for Mothers Day so she could store her beehive hairdooo curlers in it .... they are BIG! Maybe she could just put the bag into the hive to make it bigger .... don't know if she'd fit in the crewcab then .... she's got to lay the passenger seat down now before she gets in so she don't mess it up when we go down to the Spit 'N Whistle on Saturday nite.

    Some got one ... one got three ... three got none (bess, crazyelvis, me) .... sounds like that new math.
  • northpole1northpole1 Member Posts: 49
    Hey all! I go away for a couple of weeks and I'm behind like 600 posts. Anyway, I'm a "have" now. The truck (Y2K F350, SD SC, V-10, XLT, 4X4, AT, 3.73LS, deep wedgewood over silver, et al) is a dream. The cup holders suck. The ALCAN was friendly, gas was .59 to .74 a litre, and I got about 9 MPG pulling a stack of new utility trailers.

    8 weeks order to delivery. Talked to the owner of the dealership while I was picking it up (he wanted to shake MY hand!), and he said it's all in the allocations. Dealers who sell a lot of trucks get good ("10") allocations. Dealers who sell a few trucks get crappy allocations. It's not a V-10 problem or a AT problem or anything else. The factories have a finite amount of production capability and that limit is being reached, but the "10s" will be built before the "80s".

    Billingsley Ford, Lawton OK, $100 over invoice. Talk to Carl. Danged good dealership all the way around.

    Later.
  • cr133rcr133r Member Posts: 3
    You seem bothered by the fact that people are looking for the best deal they can find on a truck. Did you pay too much for yours and now you are trying to justify it? This is MY money I'm spending and I won't pay much over invoice. If a dealer isn't willing to take my money, I will track one down that will. You almost sound like a dealer/salesman yourself.

    I don't always believe salespeople, but I do listen to them. My local dealer can only order SDs if they can show they are for customers. Their allotment is seperated into customer ordered trucks and trucks for the lot. Do I believe the saleguy on this? He has nothing to loose telling me this, so it may actually be true.

    Anyways, the fact is, I'm not going to pay a dealer a rediculous amount of money(profit) because the trucks are hard to find. Call me an [non-permissible content removed] if you wish, but its my money, and I'm sure there are a bunch of people out there that feel the same way.

    If I find a truck at invoice price, that would be awesome. I am willing to pay over invoice, but not willing to pay a lot over invoice.
  • lilelmolilelmo Member Posts: 144
    Nice top. I'll look into more. My truck is exactly like yours except for mine is the CC. Thanks.
  • dwucherdwucher Member Posts: 79
    As long as I have been following this forum I have gained a lot of good information, especially from LEWAC. I believe that you may have misunderstood his comments on the problem that dealers are facing with very knowelgeable customers (us). He is not the enemy, please don't treat him as such. I paid invoice, good luck to you, sounds like you will need it.
  • wassbewassbe Member Posts: 11
    I have learned that sometimes dealers do tell the truth. When the first dealer I went to told me that he could get me my truck in 6-8 weeks, but he would only order it at $2,000 over invoice. I figured this was a load of bull to get me to pay more, but now I realize he was just being honest. As a few of you pointed out, he was probably "reserving allocation" for people willing to pay than much. I found a cheaper deal from a dealer with "good allocation" but not good enough for all the orders he had as result of his good prices. Over six months later, my SD supposed to be built this week. It was my choice; I don't regret it. There may be dealers with enough allocation, too few orders, and good prices, but not in this area - I contacted most of the dealers in a 100 mile radius. The basic economic rules of supply and demand will always come into play in a fee market economy, with allocation or without.

    Also, based on the Washington Post article a referenced a few posts ago, the dealers do have say in how FoMoCo handles order, despite the fact that FoMoCo makes the same profit on every truck.
  • bessbess Member Posts: 972
    Yep, I think you and and Lewac are in agreement. Both of you are well educated and refuse to pay to much over invoice for a vehicle.

    What your salesperson was believable. They will only order trucks if they have a customer for it..
    However, this doesn't mean that they have allotments for all of the customer orders. It does mean that they are trying to save the allotment slots they do have for paying customers.

    BUT, (and there's always a BUT), this mode may make it difficult for a dealership to handle the situation where there is a sudden increase in the popularity of the vehicle. Because, allotment numbers are based on previous orders from that dealership. (chicken vs egg.. i know)

    Dealerhips often order trucks (without customers) for the lot, this could be risky if they dont sell, but it does help their allotments for the future..

    So, those dealerships that took 'risk' early on and ordered alot of SuperDuty's made out, because they were popular, and they now have larger allotments.
    Those dealership that played it more conservative, ended up with lower allotments, and a demand that generally exceeded their allotment.

    This would explain much of what we've seen on this forum:
    -Not all dealerships are the same. It depends on how they are run.

    - Larger dealerships generally seem to have higher allotments for SuperDutys than very small ones. (they had more capital to risk).

    - Truck only dealerships tend have even larger allotments for Superdutys. (they mostly cater to industry who's requirements are for heavy duty utility trucks).

    This all somehow makes sense in my mind..
    oh man. thats scary..
  • jraskejraske Member Posts: 131
    I too am one of the proud owners of a SD that has never gotten a duffel bag or even a customer survey, which surprised me since I am happy with the dealer I ordered from and would have liked to let FOMOCO know that.
    I ordered mine on 10-13-99 and received it on
    12-2-99 one day latter than promised, at $800 over invoice. I got the PSD which might be the reason i got it that quick. It seems that those of you that order the V-10 have the longest wait.
    But who knows it could be almost anything.
    mainecowgirl whats the latest with your order?
    Is it still ago, or is your dealer giving you the runaround again?
    I hope everyone gets their trucks soon, these are great trucks and worth waiting for.
    John
  • mainecowgirlmainecowgirl Member Posts: 103
    4xycrq-Thanks for the post. Hope I didn't insult you by implying that folks in England have no use for big trucks! I just think it's cool you have one there. Good luck with the renovations. Have fun!

    sherwoodfor-The evasive driving award goes to Bess. He was the writer of that post. You are so right though, deer always travel in twos or more. I had someone tell me that when I first started driving, and it has saved me more than a few times here in Maine.

    jraske-I am still "submitted to the factory," no build date as of yet. Low allotment dealer, but I don't really mind. We are just entering our mud season. I would just as soon get my new truck after its over. I am getting used to the thought of telling people I have an "oh-one" rather than having to say a "two thousand" so many more syllables! I wonder if an order submitted to factory now can turn into a 2001 if enough time goes by? Thanks for the thoughts.

    lewac-You're still my hero!
  • adubahbiadubahbi Member Posts: 24
    Ordered 12/21. Today VOPC="Your vehicle has been released by the foreign assembly plant..."

    Anybody know what this means? My VIN starts with a "1", doesn't this mean made in Kentucky?. Seem to recall someone mentioning something about this about a million posts back...

    y2k 250SD CC LB Lariat 4x4, v10 auto 265s 3.73LS green/gold etc.
  • pistoleropistolero Member Posts: 52
    Released from the foreign assembly plant means it's started in the process of heading your way, as long as they don't pull a Lewac on you. It should already be out of the plant and in the transportation mode somewhere. Yes, fairly good rumor had it 1 was KTP, and 3 was Mexico for VIN's quite a ways back. Congratulations and hope the delivery goes smoothly for you.

    y2k 350 CC XLT 4X4 V10 Auto SWB Camper, Tow etc..
  • cr133rcr133r Member Posts: 3
    I misunderstood your post the first time through and apologize for drawing conclusions. I do agree, I would hate to be a dealer.
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