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.00018 and 58% (Sport) or 56% (Touring)
$1390 lease cash for Sport trim only
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I got a quote from a local dealer today. (in CA)
2018 CX 5 GT AWD with premium package.
36/10k
$33615 MSRP
$1380.41 Total Drive Off
$314 incl. tax
from this, I was able to lower the sales price by $500
so I guess monthly payment will be ~$300
I asked a couple times (via email) what's in drive off but the salesperson didn't answer that.
What could be in it? besides acquisition fee and first month.
and should I pull the trigger?
Is this quote from a VA dealer? Isn't the tax rate about 4.3%? That tax number is over 10% of MSRP. How can that be right?
What is the adjusted CAP cost?
What is the amount due at signing?
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Doc fee: $80
Acquisition fee: $595
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The residual is correct. Thank you!
Is this quote from a VA dealer? Yes.
Isn't the tax rate about 4.3%? Yes, 5.3% (to factor in about 1% local tax)
That tax number is over 10% of MSRP. How can that be right? Assuming it is not right, I've calculated that my monthly tax payment should be approx. $47 using the 5.3% tax and approx. $100 using the tax number listed (took the tax and divided by 36 months). It seems that if they've offered $397/month I should be at approx $345/month when taxes are adjusted. I'd like to be closer to $320/$330 based one what I've seen on this forum in nearby states. Do you think this, or better is feasible?
I believe the adjusted CAP cost is $31847 as compared to the MSRP that is $34614. If that is right, should I continue negotiating the CAP cost? I know they havent included an approx. $500 rebate for Mazda loyalty.
My amount due at signing is the First month's payment only.
Thank you again for all of your help!
This time I didn't even have to go to the dealer but communicate over email for a few days.
(My wife stopped by the dealer to test drive though..)
I guess I might be able to lower the sales price a little bit more if I tried harder...
but I already spent lots of times researching different cars (and their numbers..)
I got 9.9 years Leasehackr Score.. so I am ok!
Thanks for the comments!
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Thanks in advance!
36/12
.00018 MF and 59% residual
$200 lease cash
24 month numbers aren't favorable
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Maybe, they could provide the actual numbers that are relevant to your lease deal?
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Thank you so much for the help you’ve already provided me. I really appreciate it. the actual tax appears to be $1390.91 on the Mazda CX-5 GT + Premium Package Im looking at. They want $392/month for this car based on these numbers with payment of the first month payment only when I take delivery. That seems so high compared to what others have reported. Not sure what the “rent charge” of $351 is. Have you seen that before? They’ve also got a $300 payment at the end if I don’t purchase the vehicle from them. Is that typical? They’ve also conveniently removed the sales tax from the monthly payment section, so I have no idea what portion of the monthly payment that makes up unless I just do the math myself. Does this make any sense to you? I’d like to be in the low to mid $300s on this vehicle. They say they’d have to give me a $4000 discount to get those numbers. I just don’t see how they get there. Any further help you could provide would be much appreciated.
Thank you so much for the help you’ve already provided me. I really appreciate it. the actual tax appears to be $1390.91 on the Mazda CX-5 GT + Premium Package Im looking at. They want $392/month for this car based on these numbers with payment of the first month payment only when I take delivery. That seems so high compared to what others have reported. Not sure what the “rent charge” of $351 is. Have you seen that before? They’ve also got a $300 payment at the end if I don’t purchase the vehicle from them. Is that typical? They’ve also conveniently removed the sales tax from the monthly payment section, so I have no idea what portion of the monthly payment that makes up unless I just do the math myself. Does this make any sense to you? I’d like to be in the low to mid $300s on this vehicle. They say they’d have to give me a $4000 discount to get those numbers. I just don’t see how they get there. Any further help you could provide would be much appreciated.
1) The actual MSRP is $34,320
2) The rent charge is the finance portion of the lease payment X 36 months. (that's where the .00018 MF comes in).
3) $489 doc fee is the only "inflated" number I see
4) Tax is relatively high in VA. It's about 10% of the payment.
5) The calculations are correct. To get a lower payment, you need a lower selling price. Your deal is not bad. You can't do anything about the tax.
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Lots of good choices out there; a very competitive segment.
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2015 Subaru Outback 3.6R / 2014 MINI Countryman S ALL4
Either model
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MSRP $29,690
Residual Value $17,814
Sales Price $27,740
California Sales Tax 7.75%
Dealer came back with the below:
Money factor is .00068
Fees up front is $500.00
Payment is $333.25 + tax ($25.83) = $359.08
I informed beforehand that I preferred to pay all fees up front. Based on the "$500 fees up front," this makes me assume they are pairing lease/registration ($400) and document fee ($80) and adding a marked up acquisition fee to cap cost. Money factor looks to be 5x base MF for this, correct?
I'm going to reply back with my calculations and ask them to disclose everything going into the calculations or I'm looking elsewhere.
Please let me know if I'm thinking of this in the right way? Thank you all so much.
We actually recommend you roll the fees into the cap cost and payment - since the base MF is so low, you aren't paying that much interest on them, and if the car is stolen or totaled, you'd lose that up front money.
Just first payment and DMV costs should be paid at signing.
I don't think Mazda allows the acquisition fee to be marked up.
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Could you please provide 36/10 MF and Residual for Sport and Touring in NJ?
Thank you very much!
$1390 lease cash on Sport only
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$1390 lease cash on Sport, only
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The maximum markup is .00050 for a total MF of .00068 (which is nowhere near 4.3% APR).
I would guess your calculations are flawed, in some way.
How much is due at signing on that quote?
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If I add the $595 acquisition fee, I get $324/mo.+tax = $343/mo.
With a marked up money factor: $347/mo.+tax = $368/mo.
I've noticed some pretty big dealer/document fees in KY, lately.. That, and possibly some crappy accessories added could make up the difference.
Fairly small discount, plus markups and garbage = bad deal.
Somewhere around $325/mo. including tax, with 1st payment and title/registration due at signing would be a good deal.
Where are you in KY?
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Adjusted Cap Cost: 24,874
Residual Value: 58%
Money Factor: 0.00018
Im really only getting a couple of hundred dollars off of MSRP, they had an inception fee of 1000$ and a dealer fee of 1000$ but gave a cash rebate of 1,750 which I assume is including the 1,390 lease cash incentive. I did love the test drive for this vehicle but ideally I was looking for a cap-cost of 23k. Is this deal fine?
I would assume the $1750 includes the $1390.
Dealer fee - $1000. Really ridiculous.
So, you need a discount of at least $1000, just to effectively pay MSRP. You'll probably have to introduce some competition.
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msrp $ 29745
adjusted cap cost $ 28954
36/12 0 down
$339/month with only first payment due at signing
MF .00018
Residual $17847
They claim they are losing money on this deal, wasn't sure if they are feeding me a line or
is it actually decent deal?
What state and tax rate is this?
And, is it $0 down, or $0 due at signing? Big difference between the two.
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The car would be leased in Kentucky but I live in Indiana so 7% tax rate.
With the acquisition fee rolled in, that looks like a pretty good deal from here.
I doubt they are losing money. But, that's not where your focus should be.
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Thanks
deal, Now I just have to figure out if I am going to pull the trigger. Probably not going to get a better deal than that. Thanks for all the help everybody.
$200 lease cash
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24/10, 24/12, 36/10, 36/12
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36/12 - .00018 and 60% (Touring) or 59% (GT)
Add 1% for 10K
$200 lease cash on GT only
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.00018 MF
56% residual for 36/15 (you didn't mention term or mileage)
$1390 lease cash
$199 with $1999 due, and $254 with $0 due are the same deal.
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