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  • bradlake1bradlake1 Posts: 48
    I am new to townhall. My wife and I really like the '03 Navigator. Are we fooling ourselves to think we might be able to purchase it around dealer invoice?? Or is still too new? Thanks for any comments!!!
  • hongluhonglu Posts: 3
    I got $2000 over invoice deal. You could do it better . I'm the first one to get 03 navigator in my area and the 2nd car was sold at the same dealer at $3000 markup price.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    Welcome aboard! I am sure Navigator owners here will be happy to help you and your wife. C'mon, gang!

    Thanks.

    tidester
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    SUVs; Aftermarket & Accessories
  • There are no discounts even with the different plans that companies have with Lincoln. I purchased a fully loaded 02 special edition black for a lot below invoice. While the 03 has some nice features the 02's are a steal right now. $58K for the ultimate is too steep.
  • nofeernofeer Posts: 381
    What about the reliablity of lthe nav? my wife is considering a new SUV and this one has the goodies she likes, power seat and lift back.
  • auburn96auburn96 Posts: 43
    Does anyone have or know how the entertainment system work in the navigator? Specifically does the sound come through the truck speakers or is there a seperate speaker system or are the headphones required for hearing the sound? Can you listen to the radio and have the DVD playing?

    Thanks
  • hongluhonglu Posts: 3
    I ordered it in my 2003 Navigator. You have two choices: playing through the whole speaker system; or
    listening to radio/CD while kids enjoying DVD movie with headphones on. nice features ah?!
  • I picked up a 2002 three weeks ago and had the dvd system installed by an after market company (recommended by Lincoln) and I can do it both ways. While the kids listen with wireless headphones to the dvd - I can listen to another source. I can also flip a button and hear what the dvd is playing while the headphones still work. I sometimes listen to a dvd concert while I drive.
  • HI, Just bought a 01 new Navigator a few months ago. It seems to me that the heated seats really aren't that good. I turn them on high and they only "sort of" get warm even if I leave them like that for 25-30min. If I turn the seats on/off (rotate dial to 0 then back to 5) they get a bit hotter. If I do this a few times, they will work pretty well for a bit and then peter out again. I am NOT inadvertently hitting the AC switch or anything like that... Dealer has replaced switch and control modules on both seats, still seem to not work really well. Anyone else have this problem with not working or variably working heated seats ? AC seems to be a bit better, but doesn't really get all that cold, fluctuates from sort of cool to kinda cool... Thanks,

    Erik
  • stlgasmanstlgasman Posts: 139
    How much below invoice are the 2002's going for?
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    trapper,

    I do not know the answer to your question but I wonder whether the seat heaters are thermostatically controlled. If so, you may not notice any heating until the weather gets sufficiently cold again. Perhaps someone else here knows the answer.

    tidester
    Host
    SUVs; Aftermarket & Accessories
  • Looking closely at the 2003 Navigator. How negotiable is the price? Can I expect to get close to invoice (I am assuming I will have to order it to get the "packages" I want).

    Thanks.
  • hongluhonglu Posts: 3
    I ordered Ultimate trim with DVD. $2000 over invoice.
  • gteach26gteach26 Posts: 576
    Just came back from the Lincoln dealer for 15K service on my 2000 Nav. Also had to fix a stuck a/c vent and a malfunctioning rear windshield wiper. Got home and guess what?? Rear wiper doesn't work... again (3rd time this happens!) So, I have to haul myself back to the service department. This truck has had quite a few minor but annoying problems requiring a total of 7 return trips to the service department within 15,000 miles if you include two scheduled maintenance stops. So far I'd grade my Nav as follows: Space and Comfort: A+++, Drive and handling: C (jittery, busy ride overall), electrical/hardware integrity: D-.

    Also, I had a chance to finally sit in a 2003 Nav. It looks and feels GREAT! The interior looks much more up scale and has a higher quality feel to it. Pictures don't do this interior justice. You've got to sit in it to appreciate it. Anyone out there driven it yet? Has the ride improved as much as I've been hearing?
  • Anyone know if Lincoln is considering offering a larger engine in the near future? After driving the navigator, I felt it could use a little more power.

    Other than the engine, it drives great for such a large truck. It doesn't feel that big driving it. I can't compare it to a pre-2003 nav as I have only driven the new one.
  • bosbearbosbear Posts: 9
    I am also looking at the 2003 Nav 4x2, ultimate package with all options excluding the moon roof. I am told I will have to special order, as none are available right now. After calling just two dealers have been told that their standard deal for Costco\internet\fleet pricing is $1,500 over invoice. I told them that if all they have to do is take an order, I expect them to be under $1500 and closer to $500 to $750 over. The response was they will do what it takes to earn the business. I will drive one last time this weekend and let you know what kind of deal is out there.
  • What part of the country are you in? (thanks for saving me a call through Costco to find out the current deals :-)
  • bosbearbosbear Posts: 9
    I am in southern California; I have contacted both San Diego & Riverside County dealers.
  • gteach26gteach26 Posts: 576
    I just stumbled across an article that states that a V10 might be coming for the navigator. It states that there are already several V10's out there that are getting tested but that Lincoln is keeping mum on the topic for now. Apparently it is the same engine used in the excursion. If you want to read the article let me know and I'll give you the site info (I'm not sure if I can mention it on this board).
  • bosbearbosbear Posts: 9
    The best deal I have been able to find so far is $600 over invoice. The car will have to be ordered as I am looking for one with the Ultimate package and the Nav & Ent packages. I did see the power lift gate and with a push of the button it will open AND CLOSE the back gate. Very cool!! But be aware that the hinges for the power lift gate cut down on the headroom in the 3rd row seat.
  • You are my benchmark if I decide to purchase :-). I am considering a similar configuration. About how long does it take if you order to receive the car?

    I still need to do another test drive and a garage test to see how the truck fits. I am am probably going to also wait and see the Aviator - not sure I need all the space of the Navigator. The Aviator sounds like it will have almost all the same toys including the 300hp engine.
  • sduff1sduff1 Posts: 11
    (I've had a Suburban, 00 ML320, 02 ML500, 98 & 00 Navigator)I just recently sold my 2002 Denali XL. What a piece of junk! One MAJOR problem was with the all-wheel drive. They came right out and told me they couldn't fix it at this time. They could make it better but would not be able to fix it until they KNEW MORE ABOUT IT. Can you believe! I sold it and decided to buy a 2000 Navigator until the 03's came out. They're just going to have to give me more gadgets and luxury for me to pay $50k for that again. I thought I needed that space. I bought a "Stowaway" luggage carrier and I'm fine. I love the way the center buckets recline in the Nav and the 3rd seat is fine for my 9yr old. I have the Ent system and it's just great also. There's actually more leg room in the center seats than in the Denali... Ask away.
  • stlgasmanstlgasman Posts: 139
    Can the reverse sensor be adding economically to a 2001 Nav?
  • stlgasmanstlgasman Posts: 139
    Can a CD changer be added easily to the standard radio on a 2001 Nav?
  • stlgasmanstlgasman Posts: 139
    Does the 2001 have adjustable pedals?
  • bosbearbosbear Posts: 9
    Dealers are telling me that it take 6 to 8 weeks once the order is placed. I will hopefully place the order this weekend at $500 over, I have not yet been quoted this price but I think it is out there. Most dealers require a $500 to $1000 deposit that is refundable at any time if you decide to walk.(this is true in CA)
  • Finished our second test drive and still like it for the most part. Still have to do a night drive. The few issues we found so far are (nothing serious):

    - needs a little more horsepower (if it had the V10 from the excursion we would probably be done shopping :-)
    - the seats do not impress us (my wife calls them 1 person bench seats :-)
    - Auto-down only on driver's window
    - No auto-close on sunroof (have to check this again - appears you have to hold the button to close the sunroof - can't just push it once).

    Some questions:
    Has anyone seen the Navigation system? (dealer has none in stock with one). How is it? We have it in our current cars so we will definitely order it. Anyone know if the power running boards actually offer any extra utility or are they mostly a gimmmick?

    Also, has anyone seen the mineral gray color? We love the Black navigator but all our cars are currently black - looking for something a little different.

    Last, what trucks does everyone cross-shop with the Navigator. We plan to cross-shop the following (basically trucks with a 3rd row):
    - LX470 - the "third" row is useless (feet on the storage floor)
    - Escalade - no Nav system (atleast from the option list I read)
    - Acura MDX
    - Mercedes ML500 (have to see what the 3rd row looks like)
    - We might wait for the Aviator and if we get really patient, the volvo xc90.
  • cacqbcacqb Posts: 1
    The console seems to be standard. Can it be gotten without the console, or can it be removed? Part of the appeal of captains chairs is that little kids can get to the back without an adult flipping up a center seat. It comes that way on the expedition. Unrelated - on the video system, can another aftermarket screen be added (for the third row) or is the system closed ?
  • auburn96auburn96 Posts: 43
    I would not think you would need a second screen for the thrid row if this is what you are speaking of. The screen that folds down is plenty big to be seen by both the third and second row. Adding another screen is possible (isn't everything) but it would not cost feasible or even complementary to the vehicle. I do believe the the center console is removable in the second row.

    Still haven't seen a Nav in the way I desire it, that being a Ultimate with Nav and Entertainment Package
  • Just saw on the Lincoln site that there is a 3.9% financing special going on or the '03 Nav. Anyone know if there are equivalent rates on leasing?
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