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  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Samsung is a pure copier and I'm sure a patent violator.

    I sure would not bet on that. The only place Apple won their lawsuits was in their own back yard. The rest of the foreign lawsuits are going in favor of Samsung. I think Apple innovation was renewed when Steve Jobs returned to the company and saved them from bankruptcy. I think that innovation went to the grave with Jobs. What new and great idea have they brought to market under Cook? The iPhone5 is nothing to write home about. I know a lot more people that went from the iPhone to the Galaxy than vice versa. Apple has always had a cult like following and I am sure that will continue. The new Galaxy Note 8.0 blows the socks off the iPad Mini. I have played with both.
  • cyclone4cyclone4 Member Posts: 2,302
    edited May 2013
    I know a lot more people that went from the iPhone to the Galaxy than vice versa.

    I wish I could find the article I read which had research that says totally the opposite. I think it was an IDC research article or something like that. It was about a week or two ago. I believe, in the same article, it stated that the millennials (those born in the 1990's or early 2000's) definitely prefer the iPhone. Maybe someone else here has access to it.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    iPhone User Loyalty Declines For The First Time Ever (But It's No Big Deal)

    According to a report released on Oct. 25 by market research and consulting firm Strategy Analytics, the loyalty of Apple's iPhone users is on the decline for the first time since the iPhone's 2007 inception. A survey conducted by SA shows that "only" 88 percent of current iPhone users in America are likely to make an iPhone their next phone, down from a previous high of 93 percent in 2011. In Western Europe, the decline was even more pronounced, with 75 percent of iPhone owners saying they're likely to be repeat buyers, down from 2011's high of 88 percent.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/06/iphone-user-loyalty-declines_n_2079751.- html

    Apple avoids potential $9bn tax bill

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2ac24238-b25c-11e2-8540-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2S8AIymU- S
  • cyclone4cyclone4 Member Posts: 2,302
    The research in the article you cited is from October 25, 2012 and it also does not tell the whole story. I found the brand new research report I was referring to last night.

    Whereas 91 percent of surveyed iPhone owners plan to purchase another iPhone, only 76 percent of Android users intend to purchase another Android device. And while 6 percent of iPhone owners indicated an intention to defect to Android, the bulk of Android defectors will be heading towards the iPhone, 18 percent to be exact.

    http://www.tuaw.com/2013/04/29/study-iphone-loyalty-will-give-apple-the-marketsh- are-edge-over/
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 266,994
    Actually, borrowing to fund buybacks and dividends makes a lot of sense for Apple, rather than bringing back that overseas cash and paying taxes on it..

    Especially, since they can probably fund the interest payments out of current cash flow... with the overseas cash as backup, in case it's needed.

    Anything that puts more money in the pockets of share owners is a good thing.. Lots of free cash makes management lazy.. (it works the same way at my house... lol)

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  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    As a conservative I can fully appreciate the concept of avoiding repressive taxes. I don't see how a liberal can justify such action. Many on the left consider it being a traitor to America. I don't see Apple as a shining symbol of the American spirit. With headquarters in Ireland and stashing cash to avoid taxes. I would be interested to hear just what the liberal reader uses as an argument in favor of Apple's tax avoidance? Would they have the same argument if it was Exxon or Walmart?
  • ljflxljflx Member Posts: 4,690
    edited May 2013
    With all due respect Gagrice - given you've never bought a tablet or smart phone after years of their deployment I'd not bet on your opinion. There's nothing like experience. Re phone switching - I know of no one that is switching from Apple. The experience is too good. That doesn't mean the galaxy is not a good phone. In a group we go out with one person has it (vs 9 that have an iPhone 4s or 5) and she loves it, mainly for its size.

    I think the whole world knows Samsung is a copier. I'm also sure they are standing ready to copy the next Apple product. What new product have they ever invented for consumers?
  • ljflxljflx Member Posts: 4,690
    "Especially, since they can probably fund the interest payments out of current cash flow... with the overseas cash as backup, in case it's needed."

    The annual interest on $17bln at 1.85% is about $315mln. Just to put their profitability in perspective Apple needs about 50 hours of operations to generate the cash flow to pay that.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    With all due respect Gagrice - given you've never bought a tablet or smart phone after years of their deployment I'd not bet on your opinion.

    Actually I did buy the Galaxy Note 10.1 and the Verizon Jet Pack. It has worked flawless across the USA to Ohio and now we are in Indiana using it. Using the builtin NAV program it takes voice input and gives voice directions. The re-routing is instantaneous. So much better than my OEM in the Sequoia or my Magellan. It is multitasking so the wife can do crosswords while navigating. Finally a navigation device that works better than AAA maps.

    In a group we go out with one person has it (vs 9 that have an iPhone 4s or 5) and she loves it, mainly for its size.

    Must be a East vs West thing. I would say Samsung smartphones out number iPhones out here at least two to one. The iPhone 5 is so far behind in technology to the S3 or Note II it is not even a contest. As far as the courts only time will tell. The S4 blows the iPhone 5 out of the park.

    There is no question that Samsung's Galaxy line of smartphones are giving Apple's iPhone a run for its money. In fact, some loyal iPhone fans, disappointed with the incremental updates in the iPhone 5, already are looking for something new.

    Smartphone aficionados agree that when it comes to innovation, Samsung has surpassed Apple. The Samsung Galaxy S4 in particular is a real standout in the smartphone market. Its bigger screen, higher resolution camera, and lots of bells and whistles are likely to attract a lot of consumers who are fed up waiting for Apple to reset the standard in smartphones. In fact, some would say that the iPhone 5's 4-inch display is almost retro.


    http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57582225-94/is-it-time-to-ditch-the-iphone-for-- the-samsung-galaxy-s4/
  • ljflxljflx Member Posts: 4,690
    edited May 2013
    Huge volume, tiny transaction fee, small cost of revenue and a growing web strand of the eco-system. Fits their strategy a lot better than a TV. This and automobiles is Apples next front IMO and I think the strides they'll make in this will make the little improvements in smart phones look very dated. Apple's been acquiring some small companies with technology for patents that could prove to be huge acquisitions down the road. Regarding TV's it's more like they'll develop software for incorporation into STB's or new TV's more than build a new TV set IMO. If I'm Apple I apply the 80-20 rule. Rather than chase entire markets like Amazon just follow the rule that 80% of the profits come from 20% of the market. Keep that 20% happy and your set forever. Chase the down market too far and you go nowhere. Wall street doesn't no where that chase should stop but a well disciplined company does.

    http://wallstcheatsheet.com/stocks/is-apple-plotting-an-e-payment-evolution.html- - - /
  • cyclone4cyclone4 Member Posts: 2,302
    Yes, this new fingerprint technology sounds very exciting. I believe I posted something on this a few days ago.
  • cyclone4cyclone4 Member Posts: 2,302
    For those that don't think manipulation for stocks and commodities does not exist, please read this.
    CNBC.com Article: JPMorgan Warned Over Energy Market 'Schemes'

    Government investigators have found that JPMorgan Chase devised "manipulative schemes" that transformed "money-losing power plants into powerful profit centers." The New York Times reports.

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  • anthonypanthonyp Member Posts: 1,860
    You know as well as the rest of us that the market is manipulated more so than I have ever experienced.....Our only hope is to have `belief` based on experience and knowledge.....At any given moment something can happen--electronically---and we are cut in half, but as `you` said , there is no loss if you don`t sell :)

    My only thought about jpm is that if the regulators start to do their job, we`l all be the better off for it, and maybe we`l get another chance to buy a stock on the cheap side.....

    Incidentally have you been made whole from your dealings with the commodity house? Tony
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    My only thought about jpm is that if the regulators start to do their job, we`l all be the better off for it, and maybe we`l get another chance to buy a stock on the cheap side.....

    Don't hold your breath. Eric Holder has not convicted a single corporate, Wall St or banking executive. This is the most corrupt administration in my 70 year lifetime. Why is his buddy Corzine still walking free?
  • cyclone4cyclone4 Member Posts: 2,302
    Incidentally have you been made whole from your dealings with the commodity house?

    Thanks for asking Tony. We are now up to 89% and likely to reach 100% later this year. There are companies now offering to buy our claims at 96%.
  • cyclone4cyclone4 Member Posts: 2,302
    edited May 2013
    Here is more data on iPhone vs. Android. Apple has made additional gains.

    ComScore: Apple Top Smartphone Maker; Android Weakens Share as Top Platform

    May 3, 2013 15:07:24 (ET)


    By Debbie Cai

    Apple Inc. (AAPL) ranked as the top smartphone manufacturer by market share in the U.S. for the three months ended March, while Google Inc.'s (GOOG) Android led the pack for smartphone platforms, market-research company comScore Inc. (SCOR) said.

    ComScore said that 136.7 million people in the U.S. owned smartphones during the three months, up 9% since December. Apple held 39% market share, up from 36.3% in the prior quarter. Samsung Electronics Co.'s (SSNHY, 005930.SE) market share also rose, edging up to 21.7%, although market shares of HTC Corp. (HTCXF, 2498.TW), Motorola and LG Electronics Inc. (066570.SE) declined.

    Of the 71.1 million smartphone-platform subscribers, Android continued to hold the largest portion of the market at 52%, although the share declined from 53.4% from the quarter earlier. Second-placed Apple raised its portion to 39% from 36.3%, while Research In Motion Ltd.'s (BBRY, BB.T) BlackBerry platform took third place with a 5.2% share--down from 6.4% the quarter earlier.

    Write to Debbie Cai at debbie.cai@dowjones.com

    Subscribe to WSJ: http://online.wsj.com?mod=djnwires

    (END) Dow Jones Newswires

    May 03, 2013 15:07 ET (19:07 GMT)
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Member Posts: 5,618
    Why is his buddy Corzine still walking free?

    Your question answers itself.
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  • anthonypanthonyp Member Posts: 1,860
    Ha :)
  • anthonypanthonyp Member Posts: 1,860
    Man Buffett sure puts on a good show......Tony
  • ljflxljflx Member Posts: 4,690
    edited May 2013
    Interesting reading in today's Times re Google Glass. Anyone have thoughts on this? I think from medical issues (you're literally waering this glass on your brain) to privacy invasion Google could have legal issues up the kazoo from this. The Times story is interesting because two people on opposite sides of each other lost their jobs because of Google Glass. When the plaintiff and defendant both lose the same thing you know you have a problem.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/07/technology/personaltech/google-glass-picks-up-- - early-signal-keep-out.html?ref=todayspaper
  • cyclone4cyclone4 Member Posts: 2,302
    edited May 2013
    I was looking back through some posts and I came across this one from March 5. I have been bullish the stock market in general since about April 1, 2009. In the post below I had stated, "How about 16,000 say a couple years from now?" I now think it will happen sooner than that. Meanwhile, Apple did not close above that major resistance point of $463 (this was a lower high it reached sometime in March and it then tanked to a new low of $383 a little more than a month later) today after trading above it. I suppose that now the technicians will sell AAPL in a big way tomorrow. However, I think that AAPL will close well above this point sometime this week. In any case, here is my post from early March:

    #8833 of 9321 Re: Major reason for AAPL up big so far today [robr2] by cyclone4
    Mar 05, 2013 (2:51 pm)

    Replying to: robr2 (Mar 05, 2013 1:18 pm)

    Rob, yes the Dow reached all time highs today and that does not at all surprise me. And, the Dow could very well be lower tomorrow after this great run-up. HOWEVER, there is something else going on with AAPL today. The Dow is up 1% while AAPL is up 3%. When was the last time that happened?

    Btw, I have been a stock market bull since March of 2009 when the low was reached. That is when I bought my first stock (Wells Fargo) since I dumped everything I had in stocks in the spring and summer of 2008. This is going to be a very long/extended bull run. Having said this, there will be significant pullbacks from time to time, but the Dow will be reaching much higher values over the next few years. How about 16,000 say a couple years from now? I think it will happen.

    EDIT: So, right after I posted the above, AAPL tanked to only about 2% higher. There is a lot of trading left today and we'll see what happens by the close.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    I would say the moral of the story, don't do or say anything you don't want posted on You Tube. It seems it all started with Gingrich being recorded on his own private Cell Phone saying things that brought him down. Privacy is no longer guaranteed by the 4th amendment. Look at what our government does under the cover of the Patriot Act.

    If you are having a party, make everyone check their Google Glasses at the door. Along with their iPhones.
  • ljflxljflx Member Posts: 4,690
    Only iPhones? Lots of predjudice there - I see.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    iPhones did start the smartphone mania, right?
  • cyclone4cyclone4 Member Posts: 2,302
    Len

    I would say that Google is likely playing a dangerous game with Google Glass. It appears as if this gadget will be an accident waiting to happen.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    I have to agree with you. The whole smartphone, texting, surfing the web, watching videos all while driving, is gaining on people killed by drunk drivers.

    Feds: Phoning, texting killed 3,092 in car crashes last year

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2011/12/nhtsa-cell-phones-k- illed-3092-car-crashes-/1#.UYo0W0pNVIE
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,351
    edited May 2013
    Anyone who has ever been distracted while just fiddling with radio controls, etc. (as I have) should have the good sense to know not to wear these things while driving.

    On the other hand, many bad guys have been brought to justice by the use of public cameras, cell phone cameras, etc. (Boston). Most all technological advances have exposed us to both good and bad results. In most, the good outweighs the bad IMO.

    I must admit, I am curios about the google glass and would love to try one out...in the privacy of my own home.

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  • ljflxljflx Member Posts: 4,690
    edited May 2013
    I'm not one that agrees with Paul Krugman all that often. In fact the guy has written columns about expanding debt to infiniti that made my hair stand up. But this is a well written sound column IMO and for the very reasons he espouses I think stocks have a long runway still ahead of them despite interim corrections that may take place between now and year end. I also think Bernanke has done an absolutely stellar job. It's mind boggling to me that some great economists want to see him, and as a result the US economy fail for personal reasons. Their silly beliefs are on economic policy in a sound economy not one that remains unstable, in need of tender loving care and one that is emerging from a tremendous tear.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/10/opinion/krugman-bernanke-blower-of-bubbles.htm- - - l?ref=opinion&_r=0
  • anthonypanthonyp Member Posts: 1,860
    I don`t dislike P Krugman, but do think he seems to have alot of opinions---so many so that they don`t carry the weight a person would think...

    I`m not sure , or even remotely knowledgable about Bernanke, and if the low interest rate duration is needed.....and if it can be slowly cut off , or not.....He has done a surprisingly long duration of `0` interest rates, and it was needed to re-capatiolized everything....

    I`v been in the N C mountains for the last couple of weeks, and it has been very cold.....This unusual cold Spring has slowed down what is a robust economy....Things just don`t appear to be as `quick` as I expected, but it could be the weather....I mean cold and rainy :(

    I as you and Charlie do think the market has a long way to go, and frankly the un-employment rate is over estimated in my opinion....I think (other than certain pockets) employment is about as strong as it is going to get..I also think interest rates aren`t going up meaningfully for quite a time.....

    Unfortunately there is alot of uncertainty in many aspects of the general economy..I think alot of it comes from us having access to so many different opinions on the internet.. :) Tony
  • ljflxljflx Member Posts: 4,690
    edited May 2013
    One thing I'm doing is taking advantage of the low rates. I just re-financed my mortgage at 2 & 3/8ths on a 5 year jumbo ARM with no points and $499 closing costs. I never imagined a rate that low when I bought this house. That's it for me and mortgages on this property. If the rate rises too fast in 5 years I'll just pay the mortgage off. This saves me $450 a month. In effect I look at it as lowering my SL payment to $875 a month.
  • cyclone4cyclone4 Member Posts: 2,302
    I also think Bernanke has done an absolutely stellar job. It's mind boggling to me that some great economists want to see him, and as a result the US economy fail for personal reasons.

    Len, Rick Santelli on CNBC is anything but a great economist, but he constantly harps against Bernanke's policies. They have a few others on that station as well who have been proven dead wrong about what the stock market has done since the spring of 2009 and one can sense this hatred for Mr. Bernanke from these people. They have been constantly spewing their doom and gloom BS. I have seen many heated arguments between Santelli and Steve Liesman, who I very much respect.

    Btw, I just Googled Santelli and found out that he was a catalyst for the early formation of the Tea Party movement in early 2009. Now, that explains everything about that dude.
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,351
    Btw, I just Googled Santelli and found out that he was a catalyst for the early formation of the Tea Party movement in early 2009. Now, that explains everything about that dude.

    Most of the news today was about all the lies that were fed to us by the Obama administration about Benghazi, etc.

    Then there was the revelation that someone, guess who, had the IRS target Tea Party members and to bury them in red tape, etc. Caught red handed, the IRS had to issue an apology.

    How could anyone defend any of this?

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,684
    edited May 2013
    >How could anyone defend any of this?

    They can't defend it. If the MSM had actually looked at the facts during the election, it all would have come out then. But they were more interested in reelecting Obama than in awful lies and misdeeds.

    If the MSM isn't successful in covering up again for BO and Hillary, I'm wondering what this will do to the economy. Maybe a little truth will help it instead of hurt it.

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  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,351
    After 8 months of silence, or outright complicity, the msm has finally been dragged, kicking and screaming into asking a few questions. Why? Because they know this whole thing is about to explode in their faces, and they are abandoning ship.

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  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    There is no shame in this the most corrupt Administration in the last 100 years. Thankfully we have a Tea Party that was able to inform the public and sway the house back from the Democrat lunacy of Pelosi and gang. Maybe with a bit of luck we can return the Senate to fiscal responsibility in 2014.

    About 75 groups were inappropriately targeted. None had their tax-exempt status revoked, Lerner said.

    The IRS is an independent agency within the Treasury Department that enforces the nation's tax laws. Revelations that the agency was targeting political groups because they were affiliated with a movement that is critical of President Barack Obama could become a new headache for the White House.

    "The admission by the Obama administration that the Internal Revenue Service targeted political opponents echoes some of the most shameful abuses of government power in 20th century American history," said House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio.


    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/irs-apologizes-targeting-conservative-groups
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,471
    edited May 2013
    What exactly is about to explode? This is as lacking in details as the unseen economic plan dreamed up by Ebenezer and Daddy's Wallet that was going to be our savior. The people involved will dodge their way out of it, as they always do.

    Neither the Demublicans nor Republicrats nor their TP spinoff hold any water nor do they offer us any future. Some people need to stop being bitter about November and realize that some things are more than a media conspiracy.
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,351
    I share your lowly view of both Republicans and Democrats...but I have hope that some things will change. My biggest hope is that some honest journalists will emerge from the msm and start doing their jobs again and acting as watchdogs to keep these crooks in line, instead of cheerleaders and enablers for one side or the other.

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,684
    edited May 2013
    Gagrice:
    >About 75 groups were inappropriately targeted. None had their tax-exempt status revoked, Lerner said.

    Shamefully, this was done by workers at the Cincinnati office--probably Ohioans thinking they were helping the democrat reelection machine just as Helen Kelly-Jones did when she accessed Ohio State records to check on Joe the Plumber.

    When the MSM and party have worked to demonize people who think less taxing and less spending is _wrong_ and been somewhat effective with low information voters to the point where IRS workers in Ohio, a hard fought state before the election, feel they can violate the law with impunity, the battle for right and wrong and for our county may already have been lost. Nothing will be done to those workers just as nothing was done to Helen Kelly-Jones, who now has a nice $130K public job and lives not far from me.

    What will all this do to the markets if and when the facade starts to break on the administration's handling of the Seals and outting them and of the Benghazi mistakes and coverup? Knowing the Wall Street folks, the market will probably continue up until 2014 November.

    Houdini:
    >My biggest hope is that some honest journalists will emerge from the msm and start doing their jobs again and acting as watchdogs

    Amen. But it's not likely when the head of CBS news is the brother to a person in the administration likely to be involved in the coverup in the WH. No wonder CBS made talk about their reporter being too aggressive on the Benghazi story recently.
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3018173/posts?page=54

    http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/11/top-obama-officials-brother-is-president-of-cb- s-news-may-drop-reporter-over-benghazi-coverage/

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,684
    This would help our economy better to put a lapband on the federal government spending and income.

    image

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,471
    edited May 2013
    I hope for the best, and expect the worst. As long as we are in a strict lobbyist/corporate controlled two party idiocracy, it's not going to change. Regarding the media and journalists, all corporate controlled - whether it be the shrill left of CBS/MSNBC or the hapless right of Faux. Money talks. You can get better reporting of both global and domestic affairs from Al Jazeera or BBC than from anything domestic - that says a lot.

    It seems the markets lately haven't been impacted by politics much at all. That might be the most positive part of the entire mess.
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,351
    Great cartoon !!

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  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,351
    edited May 2013
    Unfortunately, the market, along with the rest of us, has just learned to expect and live with a corrupt government and media. Sad but true.

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  • anthonypanthonyp Member Posts: 1,860
    Love it :) Ebenezer and Daddy`s Wallet :)......As for news reporting, there is just too much about foreign events, mostly un-interesting or relevant....

    An economic report from... ME......driving from N C to Chas S C......Charlie I always thank you for your thoughts on using `regular` gas....I`v now saved alot of money..:) The trip was very light on traffic , particularly `truck` traffic....That would indicate to me that things just aren`t at a robust stag, so interest rates will stay down...There were many license plates for Tenn and N C and I think they were fleeing the cold weather that has lingered an unusually long time....Nice and warm in Charleston...

    I again want to mention `Wazer`or Wizer.....I find it to be very helpful on spotting traffic problems or in particular police .....It makes a trip not as stressful and very effective for me who may on occasion exceed the speed limit.....One thing though, it does take most of the battery on the iPhone...I have a charger cord, but left it at the farm :) Tony
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,471
    For all of the shady dealings, dishonesty, and ineptitude of today's regime, it is just a continuation of the previous corrupt clowns - and the economy was mostly stable under them, too. It might reveal an unwanted truth - the same forces remain at the helm no matter who is in office, and they are the FIRE cabal.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,471
    A lot of the news filler is to distract from issues that some don't want to cover.

    I am on a little road trip right now too, on the WA state coast. Hit 43mpg on the way down here. Decent weather the past several days, but rain for tomorrow. Decent volume of tourists out, stores have customers - this exact region is historically a little depressed, especially compared to Seattle which is beginning to boom again a little, but it seems to be holding its own against comparables.
  • anthonypanthonyp Member Posts: 1,860
    Fantastic mpg....Is that the diesel? the new one? Tony
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,471
    Yep, it continues to handily beat the EPA estimates.

    From this morning:

    image

    This was maybe 90%+ with cruise set at 65-67 (which puts you in the top 20% of speed in western WA), and a little city driving mixed in.
  • anthonypanthonyp Member Posts: 1,860
    I was with a cousin while up in the mountains of N C and he and his son drove the son`s (new to him) bmw 530(5) they were getting thirty two or so..The father has a 3---something diesel, and he only got a mile more or maybe two more....Your`s is just stellar.....I hope you are enjoying it as much as Mr Len is in his new cars...:-) Tony
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,471
    Other than a sometimes irksome creak from the plastic above the center brake light (goes away when I run the AC - it's a heat expansion issue with the materials that the dealer can't solve), the car has been flawless. City mpg is a lot less than that, of course, but it's a brilliant highway cruiser - comfortable and economical.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    I think the BMW is built more for performance than mileage. That same engine in the X5D is a rocket. I can imagine in the little 3 that it would be a wild ride. I think MB does a better job of optimizing for Mileage. The ML Bluetec has very good acceleration, just not as much as the X5D. Both are faster than my Sequoia V8 gas hog.
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