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  • MichaellMichaell Moderator Posts: 262,161

    @explorerx4 said:
    @‌ michaell
    I have a Fusion and it's a great car, but if someone thinks it's not a good car, let them get something else, and someone else can get their good deal.

    I believe he's just extremely nervous and needs some reassurance that he's picking the right car and getting a good deal. Was hoping someone could help him out.

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  • plektoplekto Member Posts: 3,738

    The Fusion is a fine car, as are all Fords provided that you get the base model and as few options that involve things like Sync and electrical systems so on. Suspension and tires? OK. Nav system? Get a Garmin and save a ton of money and angst.

  • ahightower said: (responding to my Kia meet post) "Props to enthusiasts no matter our state in life"

    Could you explain what you mean here?

  • m6userm6user Member Posts: 3,181
    I took it as anybody can be a "car enthusiust" even if it's a midsize sedan vs. something powerful, expensive, exotic or old. And the fact that you don't have to rich to be one. IMO.
  • dash5dash5 Member Posts: 421

    The new Camry. I'm impressed



  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    edited April 2014

    Not bad at all... Is there a pic of the back and rear lights.. Is above the sports model?

    The new 2015 Toyota Camry is expected to come with some improvement in exterior and interior design as well as the improvement under the hood.

    It has got much more luxurious look, better headlights and it’s a lot more comfortable than the previous model. If you want to travel relaxed and make your trip more enjoyable and funny, the new 2015 Toyota Camry has got the latest technology multimedia player.

    It is said that the design for the 2015 Toyota Camry is suited to the taste of customers. However, its style will compete the other sedans in the class. Some of them are Chevrolet Malibu and Mondeo-based Ford Fusion. We expect the new 2015 Toyota Camry to provide a larger interior and more advanced technology.

    THE NEW ENGINE OF THE 2015 TOYOTA CAMRY

    We assume that the 2015 Toyota Camry engine will be better. It is expected that there will be a plug-in hybrid Camry and a CVT style transmission in its base model cars. The Valvematic system will probably be a part of Camry cars that will be made in the future. We expect three drive-trains: the base hybrid and the advanced. The new 2015 Toyota Camry will have four- and six-cylinder engines and hybrid. The most of them will have a 2.5 – liter four cylinders. The new Camry will offer a V – 6 engine, a 3,5 – liter but only in SE and XLE models. It will be possible to drive on gasoline and electricity.

    All in all, it is not expected that the new 2015 Toyota Camry will add any new features that will attract some new buyers. Toyota could have a power driver’s seat, the leather upholstery, heated front seats and a navigation system in its base price. Instead of that, buyers will have them in a V – 6 XLE or optional in a four – cylinder XLE.

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  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    edited April 2014

    I did see a couple of nice spy shots on the 2015 model sports edition.... looks sharp. Alot nicer than above pic posted.

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  • dash5dash5 Member Posts: 421
    edited April 2014
  • m6userm6user Member Posts: 3,181

    brian125...
    Would it possible to bold, italicize or put in quotes a copy and paste and at least tell us where you got it??? It's hard to tell where you leave off your actual comments. And you sure don't want to be credited for writing whatever that was. It sounds like some of the directions I get with items made in China.

  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062

    Yep - that's the one I saw a few months ago in the focus group. Definite improvement over the current one but I don't see it taking any sales away from the others. The rest of the focus group agreed - for whatever that was worth.

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,336

    Does look nicer but not a high bar to jump. Interior though has possibilities.

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  • m6userm6user Member Posts: 3,181

    I agree that it probably won't take away many sales from others. But, it should allow Toyota to sell them a lot closer to MSRP and make a ton more money on them and probably increasing the turnover buying rate of existing Camry owners.

    Here is an excerpt from cars.com on the new Sonata.

    "The base engine is a 185-horsepower, 2.4-liter four-cylinder, and a 245-hp, turbocharged 2.0-liter four-cylinder comes in the Sport 2.0T trim level. Both engines make less peak power than their predecessors but have improved responsiveness at lower engine rpm, according to Hyundai. A six- speed automatic is the only transmission offered."

    Pretty significant HP reductions. I wonder if they are just trying to stay ahead of critics who have said for years that their HP ratings are out of whack. When you look at 0-60 time comparisons it always made me wonder why they weren't beating the hell out of the competition when they had som much more HP on paper.

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,336

    Camry us already the sales leader. How many more could they take?

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,336

    Fair trade on the Sonata if they up torque and mpg.

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  • dash5dash5 Member Posts: 421

    I think the new Camry is bad for the Sonata. What's their advantage now? It had been something nice looking parked in your driveway, value pricing, better features and interior. New Camry looks great and has a better reputation, more reliable... and still has those giant buttons inside so granny can see them :)

  • rbirns1rbirns1 Member Posts: 318

    Those Camry pics are an improvement (pretty low bar to reach), but that front end looks like a bad moustache. The interior may be improved, but it still doesn't look as upscale as Accord, Altima, Sonata, and other competitors.

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481

    Looks like they pretty much re-worked the Camry from the chassis on up, although the roofline looks familiar. A major overhaul, to be sure.

  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805

    @MrShift@Edmunds said:
    Looks like they pretty much re-worked the Camry from the chassis on up, although the roofline looks familiar. A major overhaul, to be sure.

    The kept the chassis and the roof and added more welds to the chassis to stiffen it up a bit.

    By reusing the platform, there's no need to update the manufacturing line - big savings.

  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    edited April 2014

    @m6user said:
    brian125...
    Would it possible to bold, italicize or put in quotes a copy and paste and at least tell us where you got it??? It's hard to tell where you leave off your actual comments. And you sure don't want to be credited for writing whatever that was. It sounds like some of the directions I get with items made in China.

    I will try.. Cant figure out how to download pic's to this forum among other highlight issue's.. I'm working on learning it.. I wish my kids were around... lol

    Google spy shots 2015 camry there is a really nice silver sport model nothing like posted from dash5

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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited April 2014

    The new Camry looks great although I am tired of the giant grill look. Very nice inside and out. It is modern, bold, and more aggressive, although similar in the front to the new Corolla, and VERY similar in the back to the Sonata. I find the back attractive...more than the front. It has a nice stance to it on the "XSE" model pictured. Dual exhaust, nice wheels, fog lights, everything a car guy likes on this model. I wonder what the fleet sales model (LE) will look like.

  • Looking at the front up close, I kind of expect it to say "By Your Command"

  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    edited April 2014

    I'm thinking this new camry is cheaper to manufactor with less fiberglass and more hard plastic in the front..

    The fog lights looks Awfully low to the ground may be a problem for alot of bad drivers..

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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited April 2014

    @brian125 said:
    I'm thinking this new Camry is cheaper to manufacture with less fiberglass and more hard plastic in the front..

    The fog lights looks awfully low to the ground may be a problem for a lot of bad drivers.

    What do you mean about fiberglass? I didn't know the Camry had fiberglass in it.

  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    edited April 2014

    Let me clarify; I did not post my whole bumper story..

    A car bumper is usually made Thermoplastic Olefins (TPOs)
    Back in the old days they were chrome plated steel.

    Car bumpers, Composite FRP series products are mainly manufactured using synthetic resin and reinforced with glass fiber..

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  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244

    The new look camry will have front crash problems . There is no protection at all in the front of this vehicle.. To much grille down there..

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  • dash5dash5 Member Posts: 421

    @brian125 said:
    Google spy shots 2015 camry there is a really nice silver sport model nothing like posted from dash5

    This?

    Far as i can tell that's just something someone shopped with Audi lights and some other stuff tacked on.

  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    edited April 2014

    Dash,

    Your probably right.

    The front reminds me of the acura tl alittle bit. I think i like this grille better than the other one posted.

    Looks to me like the 2015 Camry is between trying to be more hip and sporty than actually creating it..

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  • ahightowerahightower Member Posts: 539

    @cski said:
    ahightower said: (responding to my Kia meet post) "Props to enthusiasts no matter our state in life"

    Could you explain what you mean here?

    I mean, enjoy our midsize sedans as much as possible, until the kids grow up and we can join the Porsche Club!

  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805

    @brian125 said:
    Let me clarify; I did not post my whole bumper story..

    A car bumper is usually made Thermoplastic Olefins (TPOs)
    Back in the old days they were chrome plated steel.

    Car bumpers, Composite FRP series products are mainly manufactured using synthetic resin and reinforced with glass fiber..

    Technically, the bumper cover is made of plastic. The real bumper is under the cover and is a steel bar with some foam or rubber pads to protect the cover in low speed impacts.

    From your friendly anal retentive correspondent.....

  • ahightowerahightower Member Posts: 539

    Enough with the largemouth bass look. I fail to see how the illusion of a gaping hole in the front of the car is an improvement over a body colored bumper. Even Audi is finally toning it down a bit.

  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244
    edited April 2014

    @robr2 said:

    Technically, the bumper cover is made of plastic. The real bumper is under the cover and is a steel bar with some foam or rubber pads to protect the cover in low speed impacts.

    Robr2

    Do all of todays bumpers have this steel bar.

    I was under the impression that most of the newer car bumpers are made from reaction injection molded polyurethane plastic or Thermoplastic Olefins. Polypropylene foam is usually found inside bumpers to absorb impact during a collision, while better bumper systems may have hydraulic shock absorbers as well to provide extra protection.

    ahightower- .............. I agree this front grille open space is ugly and unsafe in a collision.

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,723

    That's the second time I thought that was a Corolla not a Camry.

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  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165

    Maybe it's just the camera angles, but it looks like they went to a shorter, less useful center armrest inside. I'm probably a minority, but I'm not that into stitched dashboard covers. I prefer a cleaner, smoother look. At least they got rid of those evil looking Asian tail lights on the current model. I'm with those who say ditch the big mouth bass look...and why mimic the bottom grill style of the Lexus - looks too much like a '61 Plymouth. I think that Google spy shot front end looks better than the old steam locomotive cow catcher look in the new model pictures.

  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949

    @explorerx4 said:
    That's the second time I thought that was a Corolla not a Camry.

    Exactly. I had the same thought. Also thought about the Cylon comparison someone else brought up. The C pillar looks awful (and cheap), IMO. The interior is a minor improvement but still looks cheap to me--the center stack reminds me of the previous-gen Corolla's.

    No, I much prefer the looks of the new Sonata. It looks like a more mature car than the current generation, sleek (0.27 Cd) without trying to be in-your-face. Bigger greenhouse, bigger interior (with height-adjustable passenger seat at last!), lots of improvements under the skin, more safety features, more convenience features (like "smart trunk"). I also like the clean lines of the interior; a more European feel vs. gimmicky Asian feel. Lots of little pushbuttons on the center stack, though--I prefer simple rotary controls ala the Mazda6.

    Yep, the new Sonata will definitely be worth a look when the lease is up on my wife's 2013 in 18 months. Camry... not so much. :p

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited April 2014

    @dash5 said:
    Far as i can tell that's just something someone shopped with Audi lights and some other stuff tacked on.

    Audi eye liner for sure. Lol. "Large Mouth Bass look" is well said. Done with it.

  • I have to disagree on the interior being cheap (backy). I think it's a vast improvement over the last one. A bit too black for me.

  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,278

    I still don't like the Dashmat treatment on the passenger side where it rides up over the rightmost AC vent.

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  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949

    You really like that new interior on the Camry? Do you like it more than, say, the interior on your Optima? I don't. I'll take the interior on the Optima any day over the Camry... also I'd take the interior of the Mazda6, Accord, 200, and even my old Sonata let alone the new one.

    And that front end on the Camry... I think it screams, "Hey look at me, I got me a racin' car, not some boring Camry!" But as far as Cylons go, I'll take Number Six any day over that Camry. ;)

  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244

    Isn't it amazing that whatever Toyota does with its camry design and interior they are always at the top of best selling sedan. If there dash had a 2ft open circle in the middle " This sedan would still out sell most " You talk about the gods shinning down on this vehicle

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  • m6userm6user Member Posts: 3,181

    I've never been able to tell just by a photo if an interior is "cheap" or not. The Camry interior from just looking at the pictures seems ok, not great but impossible to tell if if the switch gear or materials are cheap or not. Looks like a big improvement though. The exterior is a lot better from the side and rear but have to agree the front is not pretty in the photos. Have to see it in person to really get a good feel for it. Sometimes one dimension doesn't do a car justice. I remember thinking the Sonata was a real mess (in pictures) when it came out for 2011 but after seeing it in person I like it. Some people wouldn't like a Camry if it was beautiful, had 250 hp and got 45mpg.

  • dash5dash5 Member Posts: 421

    @backy said:
    You really like that new interior on the Camry? Do you like it more than, say, the interior on your Optima? I don't. I'll take the interior on the Optima any day over the Camry... also I'd take the interior of the Mazda6, Accord, 200, and even my old Sonata let alone the new one.

    And that front end on the Camry... I think it screams, "Hey look at me, I got me a racin' car, not some boring Camry!" But as far as Cylons go, I'll take Number Six any day over that Camry. ;)

    I'll take a 6 and an 8 Cylon, Boomer is hot. B)

    I like the new Camry interior, not better than my Optima SX but it's miles better than it was when I last looked in a Camry. Same with the exterior. Toyota already sells a ton of Camrys, the knock has been boring looks and (imo) stunningly bad interiors, They still do the reliable, comfortable, efficient, economical thing well. Now they are closing the gap on the style. Sonata/Optima twins really pushed this as well as the Fusion and now Camry has to try and keep it's lead that is being eaten into year by year.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited April 2014

    Backy- the new Camry interior is better than the old one. I also hate the dash mat on the passenger side. AND I also do not like the C pillar. There is no "upkick" to the window by the C pillar. The windows are just flat all the way across the beltline.

    The front end of the B&W picture was meant to look "cinched" like their Lexus lineup. It is better than the bass-o-matic 76 in the color photo.

    I think the base model Passat is the most boring mid-size on the market. I also notice that non of us has even mentioned a Malibu in months. Listen to the silence Chevy! It speaks volumes.

    Boomer is totally gorgeous. #6 creeps me out. I think I would need a safe word w/her. Like don't kill me.

  • rbirns1rbirns1 Member Posts: 318

    @cski said:

    I think the base model Passat is the most boring mid-size on the market.

    Totally. Very disappointing as the previous generation Passat (96-05) was the classiest car in the segment. That mid-2000's style would sell very well today.

  • brian125brian125 Member Posts: 5,244

    Mike Horn has just taken over his new role as CEO in jan, 2014.. Hopefully he can resurrect the Passat.

    Horn, who had been head of Volkswagen AG's global aftersales operations, also is going on offense in Volkswagen's hometown of Wolfsburg. He is pushing his German bosses to launch products designed specifically for the American market, starting with a U.S.-focused version of the German-made Tiguan compact crossover. The current Tiguan is less popular with American customers than rivals such as the Honda CR-V and Toyota RAV4.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,336

    the Jetta and Passat are already US only spec.

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  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949

    @cski said:
    I also notice that non of us has even mentioned a Malibu in months. Listen to the silence Chevy! It speaks volumes.

    Wait, what's that sound coming from the Malibu? Scratch scratch scratch... what IS that?? Oh... it's the sound of Chevy digging its own grave with deceit, and contempt for human life, like the rest of GM.

    I have to admit, it's clever for Toyota to channel the Cylons on the new Camry. We all know how Number Six got into Baltar's head. Toyota figures that will happen to car buyers... that new Camry will get into their heads, make them see visions of driving up to concert halls, hauling the Final Five around town (with plenty of elbow room!), gliding smoothly over the war-torn streets of Caprica, holding up against blasts from battlestars with its stronger structure. Yes, it all makes sense now...

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited April 2014

    I totally agree on the Malibu. Chevy should not have decreased rear seat legroom, Impala or no Impala. Also backy, I do like my Optima's Optimal dash layout better than most other mid size's. However,

    I find the new Camry interior to be well laid out and it appears to have good materials and fit/finish, plus it still has real knobs instead of (or at least in addition to) infuriating touchscreens.

    Anyway, I found these new 2015 Hyundai Sonata pictures from the new Motor Trend. Check them out!!
    http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1404_2015_hyundai_sonata_first_look/photo_75.html

  • rbirns1rbirns1 Member Posts: 318

    That 2015 Sonata looks like a current Fusion with a 90's Ford interior. I think it's a step backward.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited April 2014

    @rbirns1 said:
    That 2015 Sonata looks like a current Fusion with a 90's Ford interior. I think it's a step backward.

    http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1404_2015_hyundai_sonata_first_look/#ixzz2zFvqs800

    Here are the specs from the same Motortrend article above:

    "Power figures in the 2015 Hyundai Sonata are down compared with the 2014 model, and that's just as well, considering the overstated mileage issues Hyundai and Kia had late in 2012. The 2.4-liter direct-injection I-4 powering most 2015 Sonatas now produces 185 hp and 178 lb-ft of torque. (The 2014 model had 190-192 hp and 179-181 lb-ft, while the 2011 model had 198-200 hp.) By reducing peak power, Hyundai says the car will be more responsive at lower RPMs, a helpful change that could improve drivers' real-world mileage.
    More on Automobilemag.com:2015 Hyundai Sonata Revealed in Korea
    The turbocharged 2.0-liter engine returns in the 2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.0T, tweaked for better responsiveness and lower-end torque. Using a turbocharger that has a smaller turbine and compressor wheel, the engine is rated at 245 hp and 260 lb-ft, compared to the 2014 model's 274 hp and 269 lb-ft. We've had mixed results with the turbo-four available in the Sonata and mechanically related Kia Optima, so we're eager to see how this version performs. Both engines are mated to a six-speed automatic transmission. EPA fuel economy isn't yet available, but the outgoing 2014 Sonata is rated 24/35 mpg city/highway, off the pace of the Nissan Altima (27/38 mpg) and non-Sport-trimmed Honda Accord (27/36 mpg, with 26/34 mpg for the Sport), but on par with the 2014 Toyota Camry (25/35 mpg)."

    I am not sure about a step backward, but I am sure it isn't much of a step forward. They have dropped 29 HP on the Turbo and 15 on the 2.4. They can say they tuned the motor(s) for better this-and-that; but the real deal is that Hyundai has been exaggerating all along, and these new figures are more realistic.

    Maybe my 2012 Optima EX 2.4 does have 200 HP, but if it does, it's only between 5200 to 5201 RPM, with 185 before and after. Ditto for the turbo.

    On the styling. I think Hyundai was going for a more "crisp" look, but I am inclined to agree that it isn't more attractive. I will reserve further judgement until I see the Sonata in person.

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481

    The new Camry is getting a tremendous amount of buzz right now in the media, as is the new Sonata, and even the Subaru Outlook is being complimented on styling--I never knew Subaru even HAD a styling department.

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