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'24 Chevy Blazer EV 2LT
a piece of glass
a motor
runners
a switch.
Don't see how they have become more complicated.
But when we were negotiating for our '14 Malibu and insisting we neither wanted the sunroof as an option nor a mandate, she said her cars have all had sunroofs but she never has any trouble because she never opens them. That avoids the problem! But still didn't change our minds into accepting a sunroof.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Nowadays they slide open, they open at an angle and in some cars even the shade slide back and forth with the glass.
Its an unnecessarily complicated piece of hardware for those who will never open them during the life of the car
Like I said they're optional on all Fords as far as I know - which brands are forcing you to get the moonroof?
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
I had a hard time finding a Hyundai Elantra top trim Limited, without the moon roof.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Not the end of the world but I'm sure if the situation was reversed a lot of people that love sunroofs would be bitching like crazy.
It bothers me too. Plus it creates a hazard during roll over crashes as it might be weakening the roof which we are not made aware off.
My another big beef is that with my Limited trim Hyundai Elantra, I was forced to accept the 17 inch wheels with small profile tires. I don't like them as they give a harsher ride and poor winter performance and more expensive tires. I prefer smaller wheels and larger profile tires. I want more rubber between the car and the road.
Sunroofs are offered because that manufacturer knows people want them and are willing to pay for them and they are profitable.
I was confident this was going to be my 1st tank breaking the 30 mpg barrier. Now that gas is cheap (I paid $2.10/gallon) this means nothing, but still. On the way up, I watched as my average mpg gauge (which reads about 2 mpg high) climb up and plateau at 34 - 35 mpg. I was optimistic. 478.6 Miles. 75% highway driving. 16.748 gallons. 28.6 mpg for the trip. Not even my best tank. This car is far from a performance car (I think 0-60 is in the 9 second range). It is however spacious, comfortable, & the AWD is amazing. For the performance I get from a 174 horsepower boxer 4 coupled to a CVT I just expect better fuel economy.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
I make it a point never to buy CT tranny cars hence my preference for Hyundai and Toyota.
CVT are a compromised disposable solution picked up from the the ATVs and the Snowmobiles where smaller engines and shorter distances are the norm. These belt driven "rubber band " and pulley systems are not made to last and no one knows their longetivity yet except some Nissan cars which were shoddy and troublesome when first introduced. Once broken, the CVT tranny need to be replaced at exorbitant cost or people just sell the cars before the [non-permissible content removed] hits the fan and the next sucker who buys the used CVT will be left holding the baby.
I will never buy, Subaru/Honda,Nissan who have sold their soul to the CVT at the altar of higher mileage God
It raised an interesting question to which I do not know the answer: do transmission repair places actually repair CVTs or just replace them?
2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6
'24 Chevy Blazer EV 2LT
Something to think about as I contemplate my next lease a year from now.
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2015 Subaru Outback 3.6R / 2024 Kia Sportage Hybrid SX Prestige
2021 VW Arteon SEL 4-motion, 2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech
Did a couple RTs to citi field recently, so mix of highway and jammed NYC traffic, and still got 32-33 doing that one trip. Pulled a legit 34 running down to NC in the summer.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
All the talk of CVT giving high mpg is just sales pitch.
CVT like any typical disposable engineering, is cheap to mass produced and a killer to rebuild.
People who buy CVT would be better off trading it in before they hit 50-80k miles or they will have to have tranny replaced costing at least $ 4k. Nissan had to extend their warranty when they first came out. Now they don't so hard luck to Nissan buyers
@Michaell - right. Why does your Outback which is heavier, has more equipment, & a bigger motor getting better gas mileage than my 2.5L 4cyl.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
Granted, we get 21-23 in normal use, which is very little highway.
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2015 Subaru Outback 3.6R / 2024 Kia Sportage Hybrid SX Prestige
A Raleigh record.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
1. Any higher trims without having to suffer moon roof
2. Any higher trims without having to suffer low profile tires with alloy wheels.
3. Any trim with option to have MT / AT / CVT
owner of my local Chevy store about the packages requiring sunroofs when he was
in the showroom and my Malibu was in for its free oil change. I'm not sure it registered
with him, but I suggested he pass it on when they have meetings for feedback.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Mazda 6 came closest. Could get higher line models with stick, and roof optional. But once you got to a level with basic required stuff, it had 19" wheels. Ridiculous on a mid size sedan!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
2021 VW Arteon SEL 4-motion, 2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech
Many don't realize that although brittle, glass is inherently very strong and items like the windshield play a key part in the structural integrity of a vehicle (which is why installation procedures of replacement glass is very important). The glass of a moon/sunroof that sits in rails to allow it to open/move isn't tied directly into the car's structure like a windshield but the automaker normally has to strengthen the roof structure to support the sunroof's frame assembly. That might very well increase the crush and deformation resistance for offset/side/lateral impacts to the upper greenhouse of the vehicle.
While the glass itself might fracture and not be as effective at keeping an unrestrained occupant inside the vehicle in a rollover type collision, the thin steel sheet metal panel of a conventional roof doesn't really have much impact on overall strength of the unibody. If you ever get a chance to walk through a self-serve junkyard and look at various cars that have the headliner remove you'll see most only have a very small brace to help hold up the sheet metal roof panel.
The 19" wheels on our new Mazda6 Touring look nice but I too wish we could have gotten 17" or maybe 18". It's going to be an extra $250-$350 come new tires time. But the big plus was we were able to get a lot of equipment on that model without having to get a sunroof. The faux leather is really pretty nice. Several people assumed it was leather. They did a nice job on it.
Though you wont find those options in a sedan .
I guess you have some more flexibility on a ford, if you (and the dealer) are willing to do an order of an "oddball".
But mostly you get what they think people want, or go elsewhere. But the days of a 427 4 speed Biscayne wagon with dog dish hubcaps are over!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Now I have opened another can of worms by stating we do not need dealerships. Give us the option to order 'new car ' online from Manufacturers/ Amazon / CarMax / AutoNation / Truecar.
WE HAD ENOUGH OF BEING HELD HOSTAGE TO THE MIDDLEMEN .