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Something about the new car for under $10,000 thing that just gets me, though. Man. One YouTuber that posted his review of a dark blue 2017 Nissan Versa S 5-speed says that he loves his, he disagrees that the 2,400-lb. car gets inordinately blown about in heavy freeway winds, and won't listen to all the dorky things written about the car on the net. He briefly considered a used Lexus sedan or a BMW sedan used, but went with this Versa S 5-speed instead and loves it.
I think Nissan has done a good job with this pup and I have a lot of respect for Nissan as a competent carriage builder. Now and back with the cube, I still love the cube of theirs, and I really adore the '68 era Datsun 411 Bluebird 4-dr. sedan and their 510 4-dr. sedan as well. They're wid it, man.
We were at the Country Club Plaza in downtown KC today, Mrs. iluv and I, and walked into a Barnes & Noble. Correct, iluv went right upstairs to the car magazines. One of the latest American car mags took a 2017 Nissan Maxima 1 (the exact name eludes me) and races it against a 2016 BMW 435i RWD. So it's a RWD vs. a FWD car. Yep, the German's numbers for speed were better, but, and it is a big but, the Nissan Maxima delivered decidedly better in the fun to drive and handling department. Go check the read out for a lot more details if you're interested. For Japanese cars, Nissan is my favorite, Kia comes in first from Korea.
American cars? Ford. But lately, Chevy's Malibu and Cruze are lookin' pretty good ta this small car lover. Chevy's done a great job on the bodies of those two 4-dr. sedans.
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
With me it usually ends up being a sort of "battle of financial reason" with my wife. This one, though, assuming Stateline Nissan gives a fair amount on the trade-in of the Soul, would just start a new note, probably of 5 years. I'd like to work full-time another 4 1/2 years. Payments for the '17 Versa S would be around the same as they are on the Soul - maybe $15-$20 more a month, no big deal. If I can't go '0' down, though, that will halt the deal. They might, too, and I can come up with that but don't want to. My big pitch to the Mrs. will be "It's the last new car I'll buy", being careful ta leave out the word "ever" before buy. Ehh, ya never know, eh?
Here's one of those YouTube reviews of the Versa S with no AUX port:
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
2021 VW Arteon SEL 4-motion, 2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
I thank Nissan for helping fan the flames of a HP war that seemed to last up until about 2015, with the power of cars seemingly stalling, or going downhill since then.
I mean you have 4-banger BMW's and Mercedes now. You have 4-banger muscle cars from Ford and Chevy. And then you have VW selling the same power numbers in the GTI that they were selling 11 years ago.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
2021 VW Arteon SEL 4-motion, 2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech
320i vs. 328i
Audi appears to have done away with the lowly 1.8T on the A3 at least.
Mercedes has always had a tiny base engine option it seems.
Acura TL downsized and down in power to TLX.
2021 VW Arteon SEL 4-motion, 2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech
Too bad you missed out. I had an 89 and a 92. My wife had a 96.
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1st gen had a Yamaha sourced V6 with 225 HP; 2nd gen had a 3.4L V8, also from Yamaha.
Current gen has the 3.5L EcoBoost with 375 HP (same as the Fusion Sport, I think).
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Question for people with Mustangs, is the insurance through the roof? The internet is littered with driver's over-confident in their ability to drive a powerful Mustang RWD car running into stationary objects.
Both of which competed with the Camry and Accord for the title of best selling car.
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Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Of course, they also chose Titan as best pickup.
http://www.automotiveworld.com/news-releases/ford-fusion-named-best-family-sedan-2017-motorweek-drivers-choice-awards/
2017 Drivers’ Choice Winners:
Best Small Car Honda Civic*
Best Family Sedan Ford Fusion
Best Convertible Mini Cooper Convertible
Best Luxury Sedan Mercedes-Benz E300
Best Sport Sedan Audi A4
Best Sport Coupe Chevrolet Camaro*
Best Performance Car BMW M2
Best Small Utility Honda CR-V
Best Large Utility Mazda CX-9
Best Luxury Utility Jaguar F-Pace
Best Minivan Chrysler Pacifica
Best Pickup Truck Nissan Titan*
Best Eco-Friendly Chevrolet Bolt EV
Best Dream Machine Acura NSX
McLaren 570GT
Porsche 911 Turbo S
2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
2021 VW Arteon SEL 4-motion, 2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech
The next all-new Accord, due in c. 6 months as a 2018 model, will probably be rated at c. 33 combined.
In other words, if the new rules are killed, then it's basically give up, and say we've got the mpg improvements that we can, and let the market decide mpg going forward....
What about the 54 mpg? That was never in the cards, but the car companies endlessly keep using that number to kill CAFE. 54 represents the way the epa measured mpg back in 1975 when the CAFE began. It's more or less the same as going a steady 55 mph without AC on a level road. In other words, near-impossible conditions almost never found by any driver. Translating 54 mpg CAFE to today's EPA window sticker would give you c. 36 mpg combined or so.
In other words, the car companies are about to kill 36 mpg for a midsize car 8 years from now. Oh well....I guess 33 will have to be good enough.
http://www.autonews.com/article/20170212/OEM/170219966/automakers-press-trump-to-review-2025-mpg-targets
Automakers press Trump to review 2025 mpg targets
February 12, 2017 @ 12:44 pm
David Shepardson
Reuters
....Trump EPA nominee Scott Pruitt told a Senate panel he will review the Obama administration's decision.
In 2011, Obama announced an agreement with automakers to raise fuel efficiency standards to 54.5 miles per gallon. The target, the administration said, would save motorists $1.7 trillion in fuel costs over the life of the vehicles, but cost the auto industry about $200 billion over 13 years.
The EPA said in July that because Americans were buying fewer cars and more crossovers, SUVs and trucks, it estimated the fleet will average 50.8 mpg to 52.6 mpg in 2025.
A useful article that gives CAFE numbers for various vehicles up until 2025. To convert a CAFE mpg number to the actual number on the EPA window sticker multiply by .7. And so 54 x .7 = 37.8, but then there are various credits manufacturers get that make it so that actual number on the window sticker would be more like 36.
2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
'24 Chevy Blazer EV 2LT
Let's stay between the lines, shall we?
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Leasing toll roads is an interesting topic, but not for here. Thank you all for staying on course in the future.