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And Patti... time to press product development into an AWD sport turbo minivan! (Hey! How about naming it the Subaru Juice!?!?)
Never thought I'd join the ranks either, but a wagon & minivan now reside here.
Took my dad (77 & a bad back) to the bank this morning, and he had high praise for the seat comfort in the OB. Told him they make a sedan, too... said he might be interested. Imagine converting a 30+ year Buick driver!
Good things come to those who wait.. it's snowing again, and sticking!
Cheers!
Paul
The baby is due in the summer, we'll know a more accurate date after the first doctor's visit.
My dad was a Buick owner, too. 70s Electra, he cried when they towed that piece of junk out of our driveway, but he loved it. He's got an Outback and while it may not bring him the same smile, it also doesn't bring him the repair bill blues.
-juice
(3rd cousin twice removed)
Juice- Great news I think We have you beat by 2 weeks (not the cut or the van/suv) I personally think the legacy is the best size vehicle. Room for three seats (in case your watching another child) doesn't look like the road hogs (SUV) that everyone uses instead of a wood paneled buick station wagon, and gets 23+ MPG (in snow, without chains).
steve-v
santa cruz
Craig
Craig
Oh, and a big ouch on the hand!!
Patti
I have seen quite a few Subarus however. The first night, I saw a green Legacy GT, black Forester Turbo and a white WRX with the HID light upgrade and modified exhaust. Felt like I was getting a welcome here!
BTW, check out this new 4WD Nissan wagon that just got introduced here. It's called the Stagea and it looks pretty slick:
http://www.nissan.co.jp/STAGEA/M35/0110/index.html
Ken
Anything there worth a group buy?
"Stagea"? Hmmm... it sure looks like a Volvo.
-Dave
Ross
Bob
Craig: great review. You've actually talked me into putting her in an LL Bean wagon. She just might fall for the wood/leather steering wheel and CD changer. Image-conscious stuff like that is a big bonus to her. Who knows, maybe it'll convert her to a wagon person.
Patti: any chance the $750 incentive is coming back soon? I can't imagine they won't offer it for the 2002s.
-juice
Bob
Let's continue this in "Future Models."
Bob
This is where I think the Bean/MDX comparison is interesting. Obviously, the Acura has more of an upscale image, more luxury features, and costs more. To me, however, the Bean is the more appealing vehicle all the way around. The fact that it's a Subaru is just a nice bonus!
Craig
$38k is really pushing it, I'd be more comfortable in the $20s.
-juice
Don
Steve
..Mike
..Mike
I may need Ross; counseling for more than just my OCD habits!
-juice
Photos were taken at "Da Big Meet" we had a couple of weeks ago. The rest of the photos start here.
See you at the chat tonight? I may be a bit late but I should make it.
-juice
dunno, speedline superturismo, dunno, dunno.
from the top right & down:, OZ Prodrive1, P1 again, Speedline Prodrive7, dunno but they are 18s. ;-)
Cheers Pat
I could have cried at the condition of it,front and rear bumpers were scraped at all four corners probably parks by touch. I counted 15 dings and dents on the passenger side and the drivers side was almost as bad.
Three out of the four aluminum rims had been curbed leaving the edge like a dogs breakfast, had the owner appeared I think I would have been tempted to put my boot in his or her backside.
I cannot understand someone who spends over $35,000 Canadian for a car and then abuses it like that, there is a society for the prevention of cruelty to animals, I think we should have something similar for cruelty to cars.
OCD. at its worst when the condition of somebody else,s car gets me all wound up.
Cheers Pat.
Don
O.K. so there are worse places to get stranded. Anyway, nothing that an extra $2,000 to get home (3 of us) couldn't fix.
There was my grey 1985 Toyota Cressida. The car I still own, love and fuss over. This one looked like roadkill. Generous amounts of duct tape applied everywhere. A Tijuana taxi would have put it to shame. My wife finally had to tear me away muttering something like "get a life, it is only a car".
Tom
Bob
http://www.autoweb.com.au/start_/showall_/id_SUB/doc_sub0112071/article.html
I'm going to buy a set of one or the other in the next few days (knowing that "All Things Must Pass", including this nice weather), and would welcome all of your expert opinions.
YetAnotherDave
Types of rims.....I don't know.....round ones?
Colin got most of them. In the first, column, the bottom two are another P1 and a Koenig. Indeed, that last one was an 18" rim! Though the front right one was already damaged from a pot hole.
Bob: that tells us Subaru's lawyers are indeed a bit too conservative. I'd like to see all subies rated for a ton with no trailer brake restrictions, and the H6 models 3500 lbs. Beef up the brakes, sell a tranny cooler option, whatever, but do it.
-juice
-juice
Ross
I've got Artic Alpins on my Odyssey and Blizzak MZ-01s on my Legacy. Haven't had much time on either one yet, to draw my own conclusion.
You need to go to the "News & Events," and then "Latest News" buttons. Once there you can select either the "Awards" story, or one on "How to avoid Hoof and Mouth Disease," something a few Crew members (no names) would be well advised to read.
Bob
http://www.caravanclub.co.uk/
Cheers!
Paul
www.ricecop.com
Jim
I personally think my 99 Outback is a pretty good tow car. The dual range transmission (hard luck to you folks in the USA, you get short-changed on that one), self levelling rear end and good braking set up makes for a very stable, well set up towing rig. I tend to tow a 6x4 trailer but have towed a caravan. It is consistently stable and easy handling.
The Caravan Club is an interesting beast. To understand where they are coming from, you have to start from the premise that they are English and therefore weirder than normal. As a nation they do OCD really well. If you have ever seen an Englishman fussing over his front lawn or tending carefully to a tiny caravan which is his castle away from home for him, you have been educated. The Caravan Club does wonderful things like organising caravanning events in pretty fields near pubs. The cows or sheep are evicted first and the cow pats tidied up. The club members draw up their caravans in neat rows and critically compare the quality of the pinstriping on each other's vans.
Given that the caravans are generally small, the concept of an ideal tow car is rather different to that in the USA. A slowish accelerating family car with an economical engine is seen as pretty flash. Hence the attraction of the Peugeot 406 Diesel which is incidentally a very good car. Large SUV's are not considered, being generally too large to be practical on UK roads. They are also not as popular as in the US and Australia as petrol costs dramatically more than in the USA.
Caravanners are generally laughed at, or cursed by the great majority of the UK population. Everyone has horror stories of being stranded behind a slow moving caravan for hours, particularly in Cornwall or the Lake District. The tendency to use slow moving cars as tow vehicles draws the opprobrium of all other road users. I do recall some suggestion of calling on a local witch to turn them all into snails so they could be dispatched by stamping on them. More practically, there are frequent calls for them to be limited to travelling only on Motorways and then only between the hours of three and four in the morning on alternate Tuesdays.
Cheers
Graham
I guess their "Hoof & Mouth" posting is spot on for these folks...
Bob
-mike
Bob
Those interested in comparison tests, Consumer Reports Nov '99 includes the Artic Alpine and Blizzak WS-15. It also states that unstudded tires required 20% longer to stop with ABS and 40% longer without ABS compared to studded snow tires (the test tires being Firestone Winterfire and Nokian Hakkapeliitta 1).
-mike
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Great explanation; good to hear from you. Would you mind explaining the technology of the Australian (and JDM) self-leveling rear suspension? (my references don't have much info) The North American Legacys have a multi-link suspension. Does the Aussie have a multi-link augmented by a pneumatic bladder? If the self-leveling rear suspension has been in production for a while, do you know its reliability? Pneumatic suspensions of late 80/early 90 Subarus are expensive to repair. Some replace them with normal spring and strut hardware (like paisan's XT6).
Cheers,
..Mike
PS - Made any hash browns recently?
..Mike
I think this is great news! No longer will Subaru be considered a small part of Fuji, but will now become the *feature* name. This is great for the image of Subaru world-wide. I also wonder, with this name change, if there will be any corporate restructuring or realignment of the various divisions with the current FHI? And... how does GM fit into this? Will they just own 20% of only the "car division," or will that change too?
I just pray to god that a new logo will accompany this name/image change. In fact, I can't imagine this happening without them developing a new logo.
Bob
http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=122249
paisan: AT, more than 230hp, hmm. Can't be a Ford, probably not GM. Could be Chyrsler or an import. I don't picture you in a Supra or Stealth, so I'll guess 300Z?
Graham: we can always count on you for an interesting perspective on things.
JDM Foresters also have the rear self leveling suspensions.
-juice