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I know many don't like the gold bowtie, but I like it as a bit of "bling". To me it looks better than all those years they put blue bowties on the cars.
Actually looks better than the CTS to me as I was never a fan of the Edgier design. The coupe version was a huge improvement but I would start to blend some of that New Bu styling into Caddy If I were King.
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I do remember seeing Lucernes in that color.
I like the Lucerne, at least from the outside. But I'd have to buy whatever option/package gets you the chrome trim strip along the bottom of the decklid. I can't stand the rear of the car without that!
Someone who will never buy GM again cares about how they advertise?
Does anybody have a bigger share of the market than GM? NO
Does anybody offer a better warranty? NO
I spent $411 a month buying new GM's over the last 13 years, on avg. None of them has ever needed a $411 repair. If I didn't know hundreds of other satisfied GM owners, I'd not know how full of it you are when you try to tell me I'm lucky. I'm typical. My friend took his Honda in for $1150 in work and passed it off as 'Nothing was wrong with it. Just maintenance'. Perspectives vary widely. Yours is extreme.
The US now borrows $7.7 Billion per day. How does that compare to the GM bailout cost? March new US debt was $211 Billion.
Every vehicle made by a Japanese manufacturer that's not on that list, with a couple of exceptions (which are all listed on that page as well as being made in Mexico or Canada) is made in Japan. As far as I know, no Japanese auto manufacturer makes a single vehicle in Taiwan, South Korea, or China for use in Japan or the U.S. (though they do have sales in other countries to be sure) due to the absolute reaming they would receive in the press at home.
ie - the ones on that page I linked to are the *exceptions*. All of the rest are made in Japan. Pick a large compact or small midsize car of your choice in the under $20K range to compare to the Cruze. There are several. Plus, the public's general perception that all Hondas and all Toyotas (etc) are "made in Japan" or are "Japanese" also exists.
GM and Ford make compelling alternatives to Honda/Toyota/Mazda/Nissan/etc. that are made in the U.S. Are the better? You'll have to determine that yourself. I personally find most under $20K cars to be commuter fodder/appliances anyways and not something to obsess over. So going on about the seats or the stereo and whatnot is all minor, really. The stereos are budget, the seats are cloth, and the interiors are 90% plastic anyways. Some are slightly less "meh" than others, so if I had to chose a car like this for work, I'd chose the U.S. made one to help the workers here at home.
LOL
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
That was true..in 1973.
Just because the Cobalt was discontinued didn't mean Lordstown automatically got the Cruze. The plants have to bid on new product. The fact that Lordstown got the Cruze this time, and even the Cobalt in the fall of 2004, tells me that they apparently 'stack up' better than, or at least as well as, GM's other plants.
Does anybody have a bigger share of the market than GM? NO
Does anybody offer a better warranty? NO
I could care less how they advertise since it still is BS. Warranty? Hyundai is better. BS Runs Real Deep!
My perspective says GM reflects what's wrong with the USA from a fundamental standpoint. You can't erase negligence at the corporate level and at the labor level in one C-11 and forget about it. You can defend them all you want and continue to be a customer.
Market share? Who lost the most. GM. Correct! They were the BEST at Loosing Market Share. What a nice distinction.
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GM lost many customers over the years delivering you know what. Glad your happy with yours.
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You're right, just look at Egypt for an example. But Americans are only so far away from such debacles ourselves. A big change is in the making, only it won't involve a single country like Libya and the Mayan calendar isn't the driving force behind it.
And since when can a Governor just take away Union-won benefits, as in Wisconsin? What is the latest on that, BTW? Did those people have their bene's Twittered away by that Republican Governor? What a ripoff and a farce, eh?
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It's not my job to go through the entire list of every last Japanese vehicle made and do the research for you. I find this to be one of the more annoying parts of the Internet since it came into existence. That in order to "prove" your point, it seems as if people expect you to do an entire research project and post it for them.
Except that in this case, there is nothing to "prove". I made a fairly normal comment and provided a list of U.S. made cars. There are 38 specific Japanese vehicles that are made in the U.S. The rest are not. I'm not going to count each and every last one that's not on that list and make a comparison for you. Especially since it's 100% guaranteed that if I actually make a list, you will simply tear it apart and claim that half of the choices don't actually count in your opinion.
So I'll leave it up to you to make your own list and do your own research. That way there won't be any argument wasting space on this forum.
Miles to go before they sleep. :shades:
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Where is your beloved Hyundai on this chart?
I'm sure AutoObserver is biased just like CR and JDPower! :P
Now if they broke out the complaints by the validity of the complaint topic and by the brands, then there might be something meaningful in a chart.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Well you must admit, GM is the king of fodder in the auto industry!
How many CEOs have they had in the past 3 years?
So it seems to me then, that you have to multiply the 2011 YTD numbers by 4 to get a meaningful coparison against the 2006-2010 average.
So, that would mean that EVERYBODY's doing worse in 2011!
Except for Hyundai!! :shades:
I love it! Gm leads in yet another category that reflects their past! What a nice retort to the fans that refuse to believe GM has huge issues to overcome to be world class leaders in the auto industry. It just keeps coming back again and again.
I agree they have improved but it takes more than 2 years to turn around a completely failed business model that had so many incipient problems even a c-11 can't just wipe away.
Did anyone really believe that all of a sudden, PRESTO! GM is No. 1?
No Way Jose! :P Not even in Pick-Up Trucks.
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When you say anybody do you mean the big 3 in the US or anybody, because the math says Hyundai's warranty is twice as long as GM's when it comes to powertrains (100,000 vs. 50,000 is a 2:1 ratio last I checked).
well i guess its time for you to check again, both have 100,000 except gm's is transferable and hyundai is not :lemon:
2:1 equals 10 years vs. 5 years in this case.
Bottomline: GM vehicles are designed to last 5 years and then fall apart into a rusty bucket of bolts.
Foreign cars are designed to last 10 years or more.
10 years is TWICE as long as 5 years on that powertrain!!!
Double the warranty, choose Hyundai over GM!
Where the imports excel is the build quality of the interior and the electrical systems. But this isn't news, really. You buy a domestic truck or commuter car to get your from A to B for ten years or more at a time. You buy a Honda to look pretty and feel nice driving around town.
If my daily drive was to the grocery store and to pick up my kids, yes, I'd get the import and enjoy it. If I had to put 50-100 miles a day on my vehicle, though, there's no way that I'd buy a Hyundai over a GM or Ford.
Maybe designed that way but alot of them don't make it without major repairs.
Like the Toyota Tundra and Tacoma truck frames rusting out within 10 years.
Or the Nissan Altima 4 cyl engines that blow up under 100k miles. My brother bought one of them used with 80k on it for $8000 for his daughter.
A new engine and $5000 later it now runs pretty good.
How about the Hyundai and Kia subframes that rust out in under 10 years causing wheels to fall off at highway speeds. This actually happened to one of my mechanic's customers with his 2002 Kia Optima. A cop was following him at the time and gave a breathalizer test because he couldn't believe a sober person would just swerve into a guardrail. The police report noted the separation of the wheel from the rusted subframe as the cause of the accident.
Volkswagen Sludge. Audi $500 headlights. Nissan rusted floor pans. Honda bad transmissions and CRV A/C issues. Porsche Boxter engine failures. Mercedes electrical problems. I think all of the foreign manufacturers have their problems.
I'll stick with my US branded cars, thanks. They have been and continue to be good to me, and I know that if something does need to be repaired, it will be cheaper to fix than the foreign brands.
Also, Motor Trend has an article on SUV's. The Traverse was rated above the Honda Pilot and others...and the new Explorer was rated dead-last because of quality issues they had with it.
Heck andre1969 has got two Chrysler R-bodies that have lasted over THREE TIMES as long as your beloved foreign rides and they're MOPARS!
As far as rust, I've been seeing quite a few early '00 era 1/2 ton chevys look like swiss cheese with rust lately. My Expedition has paint bubbles on the tail gate around the license plate area and the underside of the tailgate door and it's primarily garage kept. The bumpers on my Suburban were rusting pretty bad when I traded it in. So I know for a fact that domestics aren't immune to such issues.
If quality and reliability are the same, I guess everyone should just buy a Hyundai and call it a day. JD Power does rank Hyundai's long term reliability the same as Mercedes, Buick, and better than Chevy.
Of course, I'd have no real issues with "imports" made in the U.S. from this standpoint. I just have always placed a larger weight on reliability than build quality. As of late, Honda and especially Toyota haven't impressed me nearly as much as they did in the past. I think it's mostly because they have largely stood still while the others have made bigger gains trying to catch up. So now there's more or less a parity, but Honda and Toyota feel dated and very conservative to me.
Of course, I don't expect Toyota or Honda to sit still I can't wait to see what the new Celica/SCion TC replacement is going to be like in a couple of years.
For Quality and Reliability, buy a Buick!
Absolutely true. Take the Grand Prix. Very reliable car, but rattly and crude. Low quality, high reliability. Take a lot of Audis - beautiful, refined, good handling - but poor reliability. High quality, poor reliability.
Oh the horror, you're giving me flashbacks! YUCK!!!!
After suffering with a Grand Prix for 4 years (literally and figuratively) I would avoid a Grand Prix all costs. The only positive I can say about it, is it beats walking.
I know, I know, I grabbed a paper sack to breath in to keep from hyperventilating...;)
A domestic with quality issues, no there is a surprise....
Yeah, the Traverse came in behind the Highlander, Durango, and Mazda CX-9.
Seriously, I've never been a huge Pilot fan. My sister has one and my BIL has had two. All 3 were perfectly reliable and the Pilot seemed nice when it first came out, but obviously that's a crowded segment now with several good choices. I've never driven a Traverse, but of the lambda's it's least favorite as far as looks go. But it's obvious GM has done something right, as they are all popular.
I am interested in the Durango as a possible replacement for my Expedition. It doesn't quite have the towing capacity I need, but I like the looks, and once the Hemi is attached to Chrysler's 8 speed trans, I'm going to test drive one. It has a lot to like. Mercedes DNA and American style and muscle. I just don't know it I trust it's reliability, but in a year or two that should be less of an unknown.
Covers repair or replacement of powertrain components (i.e., selected engine and transmission/transaxle components), originally manufactured or installed by Hyundai that are defective in material or factory workmanship, under normal use and maintenance. Coverage applies to original owner only, effective with 2004 model year and newer model year vehicles. On 1999-2003 model years, coverage applies to original owner and immediate family members (i.e., wife, husband, daughter, son, stepdaughter, stepson).
Second and/or subsequent owners have powertrain components coverage under the 5-Year/60,000-Mile New Vehicle Limited Warranty. Excludes coverage for vehicles in commercial use (e.g. taxi, route delivery, delivery service, rental, etc.).
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